YTSEJAM Digest 3057 Today's Topics: 1) In Defense of "You Not Me" by "Andrew Fors" 2) Hooked on DT by "Andrew Fors" 3) Marillion tribute CD by "Juan Fco. Quintero" 4) "Converted" from....... by Loren Caler 5) Re: Yet yet yet another FII review by Olivier Grisvard 6) My life is now complete (BRUCE in NYC).......... by "Carlo D'Angelo" 7) Windows 95 themes by "'Eddie J Cooper'" 8) Re: This Saturday. by TwP 9) Oh...just stuff... by email_address_removed 10) ACOS question/not in the FAQ by JB 11) video's.. or so we can hope by JB 12) DTC by Shai Yallin 13) Is DT going platinium? / My opinion on FII / DT finishes every CD with the best song by "Einar B. Gilberg" 14) FII: TAMP by durnik 15) Yngwie's "Insperation" by Shai Yallin 16) How was I converted.... by Shai Yallin 17) My second take on FII + other silly stuff by Antti Nyrhinen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 01:25:41 -0600 From: "Andrew Fors" To: email_address_removed Subject: In Defense of "You Not Me" Message-ID: A lot of you seem to dislike this one quite a lot. I can't help but wonder why. All the DT fans around here like the song quite a bit, as I do. I think it's a step for DT, not a regression or commercialism. It was something different for the band to do, maybe it wasn't as proggish as Awake, I&W, etc. So what? Just because a glam band did a pretty ballad that wasn't very glamish, did it mean the band was going away from it's roots? No it didn't. AS Pettruci has said, Metropolis Pt. 2 should satisfy everybody who thought FII wasn't prog enough. Personally I think it was a kick ass album with a lot to offer, including "You Not Me." It's one of my fav. songs on the CD. I think too many of you listened to the song thinking, "My God, it's Desmond Child, this song isn't gonna be a prog song." Listen to it with an un-biased ear and see what you think. That's my two cents worth. Andrew Fors email_address_removed http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2119 ----------------------------------- Sometimes a view from sinless eyes Centers our perspective And pacifies our cries Sometimes the anguish we survive And the mysteries we nurture Are the fabrics of our lives "Lines in the Sand" Dream Theater - Falling into Infinity ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 01:36:24 -0600 From: "Andrew Fors" To: email_address_removed Subject: Hooked on DT Message-ID: On 1 Oct 97 at 23:14, email_address_removed wrote: > > They also had a Greatest Hits CD this summer, I forgot if you > > mentioned it. Welp, Ja mata! > > My bad. I forgot about it even though I own it. Having never really been a > Cinderella fan before, I was surprised how good they were/are. Heh heh, I need to get it. Magybe I can have that dude sign it if he comes in to Suncoast again. :) I still am in awe of that fact. :) > Me too. A friend copied I&W for me and although I liked PMU, I remember > thinking that it dragged alot more that what I heard on the radio. I liked > Another Day, TTT was pretty good, but when I heard Surrounded I blew my > wad! I kept playing it over and over again, eventually to the point that > that I forgot that there were other songs on the tape. Kinda odd, I'm listening to PMU right now. I've been on a HUGE DT kick... last two weeks it's all I've listened to, and I'm not sick of any songs. I still do think though that Wait for Sleep and Learning to Live outta be one song, they go together soooo well. Andrew Fors email_address_removed http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2119 ----------------------------------- Sometimes a view from sinless eyes Centers our perspective And pacifies our cries Sometimes the anguish we survive And the mysteries we nurture Are the fabrics of our lives "Lines in the Sand" Dream Theater - Falling into Infinity ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 01:31:33 -0600 From: "Juan Fco. Quintero" To: email_address_removed Subject: Marillion tribute CD Message-ID: >There is some talk about a Marillion tribute CD on the Freaks list >right now... Someone is contacting bands, asking if they would be >interested in contributing to it. Dream Theater and Spock's Beard >have already been contacted about it ! (Sarah McLachlan too, btw). >Next on this guy's list are Doug Pinnick and Queensryche :-) I think they should include Enchant!!. Just imagine DT and Enchant, wow!! :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 02:23:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Loren Caler To: email_address_removed Subject: "Converted" from....... Message-ID: Well while were on the subject of converts I'll relate my interesting story. I heard DT back in the I&W era. I heard PMU and thought it was just another band that happened to make ONE good song. Realize that I was like 15 or something back then. So for years DT is not even on my mind. Then I discover Rush. Holy shit did that change things. Rush opened the door for so much other cool music influence I can't even begin to describe it. A few months later, I start going out with this girl (my current g/f) and she's a DT freak! Yes a chick! So I guess you could say I was "forced" into listening to DT in her car all the time. Then one day she plays this REALLY cool song (still my fav.) that is almost all piano, while we were driving home in the snow. Of course that song was SDV. So actually, I was "converted" to DT by SDV. Kinda a weird song, since it's really not like ANY of their other songs. (i.e. its in 4/4, not hard, etc.) But after that I became more of a DT freak than her. The only thing I can't say is that I have yet to see them live :(. DAMN I can't WAIT for this tour! Loren ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:34:54 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Grisvard To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Yet yet yet another FII review Message-ID: "Miguel Farah F." writes: > You Not Me: hated the MP3, hate the song now. That "Youuuuu, not > meeeee" chorus is simply horrible - probably D.Child's "work" on > it. Not sure, the guitar part on the chorus is typical of JP's style. > Peruvian Skies: quite good, except for a detail: the sung section > and the instrumental section are so different they could be two > different songs. The main riff of the instrumental part is just a heavy version of the opening clean part, and the last chorus a heavy version of the chorus. > Also, does the latter one sound Metallica-ish or is it just me? Yup, and you can also hear some Pink Floyd and Hendrix influences on the first part of the song and some typical Marillion drumming on the solo. But it doesn't mean it's a bad song, one of my fave. > Just Let Me Breathe: So DT throws shit to commercial music, yet > they seem to be going into it... I must say this bothers me. (and > did I hear an Awake riff reused here?) There's a part in between the solos and at the end that sounds quite close to a riff from Metropolis part I, but a riff from Awake, I don't see... Cheers, Olivier. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 04:16:26 -0400 From: "Carlo D'Angelo" To: email_address_removed Subject: My life is now complete (BRUCE in NYC).......... Message-ID: Hey jammers, I just got back from THE definitive shining moment of my musical lifetime. Finally, FINALLY, I got to see Bruce Dickinson and Adrian Smith on the same stage. Now I've seen "Powerslave" live (eerie background vocals and all).....life is good. The NYC crowd was INSANE!! Place was packed wall to wall and a couple people had to be lifted out due to exhaustion (I was RIGHT up front against Adrian's monitor and saw the people getting crushed..including me :-) Granted the place (Coney Island High) was a veritable dungeon (maybe a few hundred ppl capacity), but its nice to see how the fans came out in force and made it so bad that when you wanted to raise your hand you had to slowly inch it up along your chest. And of course it wouldnt be normal if I didnt get booted in the head by a crowd surfer at least once during the show. Mosh pits seem to emanate right where I'm standing damnit!!....although the best part is launching some dude to the other side when he smashes into me >:-) It made me so happy to see the place absolutely crammed with fans. A far cry from the night before when I saw NEVERMORE (HAIL!!!!!!) there. They totally shredded their asses off to only about 50-60 ppl (even less when FLOTSAM AND JETSAM came on after..half the ppl left...as did I after they played "Doomsday for the Deceiver"). But it was great to hear Bruce's speech about the state of metal today, future records with the same lineup (YES!), how he was very pleased at the turnout and asking ppl not to mosh for fear of crushing us in front, commenting on the very "well endowed" girl in front staring at his shorts (jesus could they be any tighter?!) and jokes about Marv Albert (Bruce rules!). The music was simply outstanding! Bruce sounds better than he ever did, Adrian hasnt lost a step (added some more harmonies with Roy Z) AND sang tons of background vocals! The crowd was practically singing everything note for note. But, I think time stood still for me when the middle of "Powerslave" hit.....solos trading off left and right, then the harmonized section...then more solos, coupled with fantistic galloping bass lines and that great Egyptian melody coming back in...ahhhhhhhh If I remember correctly the setlist was: Accident of Birth 2 Minutes To Midnight Starchildren Darkside of Aquarius The Magician Powerslave (yeah!) The Road To Hell Tattoed Millionaire Tears of the Dragon encore #1: Taking the Queen Flight of Icarus encore #2: Laughing in the Hiding Bush The Prisoner And to top it off....my friend and I decided to hang around in the freezing cold (my shirt is drenched in sweat so I'm a walking block of ice) and try to catch them when they come out. Usually I NEVER have the patience to wait around for band members but these guys are immortals in my eyes. After about 40 min. Adrian and Bruce come out and I went nuts getting pictures and autographs ("Accident of Birth" album cover)...I felt like a kid in Disney World! They were both super cool (especially Bruce). Great night for great music! They can bury me with a smile now. "Welcome home....its been so long we've missed you......... Welcome home.......we've opened up the gates.............. UP THE ACCIDENTS!! cheers, Carlo (Fates) -- _ __| |__ "When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __| maybe then you'll begin to understand | | Life down here is just a strange illusion." | | |_| --IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:22:56 +0100 From: "'Eddie J Cooper'" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Windows 95 themes Message-ID: <01BCCF14.C56BC080.eddie@abacus.co.uk> Can someone please mail me with an offer of DT Themes for '95... Laterz Eddie };-)~ Eddie J Cooper (Analyst / Programmer) CTL Manufacturing, Waterside, Brunel Way, Stroudwater Business Park, Stonehouse Gloucestershire, GL10 3SW, Tel: (01453) 794128 / Fax: (01453) 825424 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:27:57 +0800 (SGT) From: TwP To: email_address_removed.sg Cc: email_address_removed.sg, email_address_removed, email_address_removed.sg, Subject: Re: This Saturday. Message-ID: >So Lionel and I were in school on tuesday, and he and I were thinking=20 >about Coffee on saturday. SO reply and pass the word round. People, I'm so sorry to say that I can't make it cause Anthony got D&D at night and I need to makeup, set my hair, blah, blah, blah. Got it? Enjoy := =FE **************************************************************************** We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in the ocean.=20 But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop ~ Mother Theresa ~TwP ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 09:00:12 -0800 From: email_address_removed To: Subject: Oh...just stuff... Message-ID: Hi, Just a few ramblings... Being a UK Jammer I haven't got FII yet (I'm sure I've mentioned this before...) but the Fix Boot version of TAMP has a piece of guitar work that sounds just like "Holy Lamb" by Yes (Big Generator album). My kids (2.5 and 4 years) will happily jump around like lunatics to the Awake CD - which can't be bad. Also, whenever I pick up a guitar, my little girl gets really stressed if I don't play "Stairway to Heaven". Gene, I've been in a major car accident in the past - it's no fun - I hope you feel better soon - stay cool... Dave (a UK Jammer). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 06:20:41 -0400 From: JB To: email_address_removed Subject: ACOS question/not in the FAQ Message-ID: I was wondering what exactly the samples were saying in ACOS right after the "I said I love you... Goodbye" lyric. It's too muffled for me to make out most of it... I checked the FAQ, but all it offered was : >The part of the song after "Goodbye" and before the now-infamous "Please Don't Go!" is a collection of lines taken from the movie >"Table For Five." The voice is John Voight's if anyone know's, I'd appreciate it. And if it is posted, D-man, you may want to add this to the FAQ Thanks, Jason -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jason Brindel Computer Engineering '97 Virginia Tech email_address_removed http://www.vt.edu:10021/B/beamup (540)961-7262 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 06:28:58 -0400 From: JB To: email_address_removed Subject: video's.. or so we can hope Message-ID: >> Dude.. this is one of Petrucci's most emotional songs (of course next to TAMP) >> I've heard!!! What do you mean it stinks of doctoring??? "You Not Me" is the >> Desmond Child flick (and as such "sounds like it could get a lot of > > Yeah, Hollow Years is all DT. and I think it's not only the most >accessible thing they've written, but more importantly, the best "soft" >composition they've done overall, because it's a very complete, uplifting, >tight, well-harmonized song. I can't wait to see the video. On VH1. :) here's to hoping.... does anyone know if the band has actually slated any songs for video yet? Can't wait to see it on VH1/MTV when one does come out... (once again, here's to hoping!)... Don't know, maybe the music tv's will realize how well it's selling, and give it a chance... Later, Jason ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 12:54:14 +0200 From: Shai Yallin To: email_address_removed Subject: DTC Message-ID: Hi All! Is anyone here in contact with the band? I ask because I think it's about time the band will come to Israel. It's not that I'm the only fan. I estimate that there are at least 1500 fans in the country, and they will drive the whole country to see DT live... So, I know it's a big thing to ask, but if anyone can ask them to come here on their next Europe tour, I will grately appreciate it.... Oh. Which reminds me: About 8 months ago I walk into a musical instruments store in Tel-Aviv (which is the NYC of Israel if you don't know....). Anyway, there's this tall foreign-looking guy playing keyboards. So, I wait 10 minutes and he's still playing. I step forward and say: "May I?". So he steps aside and lets me play. So I start to play. After 15 minutes of Moore-wannabe playing by me, he's still there. Then I start playing the keyboard part off "Another World" (it was just after I bought ACOS). So he asks: 'What's that? it's beautiful?" So I say: "You probably never heard of them: Dream Theater. So he says: "I DID!!" I just never heard that song before.... So, I met a foreign DT fan... Amazing ain't it? -- Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM "I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit." - Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction "How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 12:06:46 +0100 From: "Einar B. Gilberg" To: email_address_removed Subject: Is DT going platinium? / My opinion on FII / DT finishes every CD with the best song Message-ID: It seems like DT is doing very well for the moment. They are on some "most-selling"-charts, as well as they seems to get some support from local US radio stations. FII, was according to a fellow norwegian ytsejammer, sold out at a record-shop in our capital city Oslo. I bought my copy of FII at a local shop here in Trondheim - Rockin' (very nice shop btw) - on 22th of September, and they had already sold *alot* of DT. I must add that this shop specialize on "non-commercial" music. However, some days ago, I visited a record-shop which mainly sells alternative and grunge music (e.g. the chart-toppers), and I was *shocked*. The first thing I noticed was plenty copies of FII, among approx. nine others, in a rack in front of the store. When I got into the store, I saw plenty copies behind the counter as well. WOW! I could not believe this store sold FII. AFAIK they have never had any DT-material. FII was even beside the CD-player where you use to listen to CD's. I guess DT's going for platinium! My opinion on FII is that it is a great CD. I enjoy all tracks. The best track is ToT, and I believe the best part on the whole CD, is on ToT from 10:00 and out. The drums on 10:40 and the following part: "Still Awake, bringing change, bringing movements, bringing life" gives me an incredible feeling. It's excellent - very emotional. I think the last few minutes on every DT CD is the most emotional and best part on the CD's. They seem to finish every CD with the best song of the album. Remember LtL (the instrumental part), SDV ("and I'll never be open again), CoS("now that my time has come, he is my only one")? Do you guys agree? Best regards, Einar P.S. Listen to FII when reading the 'jam. It is an excellent combo - gives a good atmosphere, and you'll feel like a member of a family (the ytsejammers family) :) Now playing: "Dream Theater: Falling Into Infinity" -- Einar B. Gilberg tlf : +47-73 51 05 31 Kalvskinns gt. 3 fax : +47-73 51 05 31 N-7012 Trondheim e-mail: email_address_removed.no NORWAY www : http://www.colargol.idb.hist.no/~einarg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 04:24:32 -0700 (MST) From: durnik To: email_address_removed Subject: FII: TAMP Message-ID: It's the acronym bazaar! :) Well, this CD has not left my player yet, since last week. To all who find DT's new work too commercial, I implore you to listen to the entire guitar solo on Take Away My Pain. The best solo Petrucci's ever written, it is. Hear it for yourself... -Mike email_address_removed://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 13:25:52 +0200 From: Shai Yallin To: email_address_removed Subject: Yngwie's "Insperation" Message-ID: Hi All, I think it was on Arash's "Top 10 CDs" I saw that: "Yngwie Malmsteen - Insperation (2CD)" Now I'm confused, 'cos the "Insperation" I have is a single CD. Can anyone lighten my up? Thanx, -- Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM "I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit." - Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction "How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 13:35:01 +0200 From: Shai Yallin To: email_address_removed Subject: How was I converted.... Message-ID: Hi! Am I the only jammer that got converted by 6:00? Altought I won't call it a 'convertion' 'cos I was into Vai, Satch and VH before I" got into DT.... -- Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM "I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit." - Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction "How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:37:02 +0300 (EET DST) From: Antti Nyrhinen To: Ytsejam Mailing List Subject: My second take on FII + other silly stuff Message-ID: OMIGOD! It's that dumbass Finn from Estonia, again! Over a week has passed, and it's about time to torture the general ytsejammin' public by a second set of comments on that CD by that band, whatsitsname? I'll try to keep this brief to avoid saying a lot of the things that have already been said. NM: Maybe it's just the tracknumber, but I sometimes get something of a PMU'ish feeling from this. I guess it's just the way it ends rather abruptly. Or then I'm imagining things. YNM: Maybe it's just the tracknumber, but I sometimes get something of a CiaW'ish feeling from this. I guess it's just the way the chorus sticks in your mind. Or I'm imagining things. PS: This one is _really_ growing on me.. I just wish they had extended the doublebass-driven climax by 30 more seconds :) HY: This one really makes me feel good, there's something magical about it.. I wouldn't even think of skipping it. Ever. BMS: At first I didn't get this track, but now I really dig it. For one thing, it's way better than Lie. CheeseJames sounds like Dave Mustaine from Megadeth in the "don't give a shit" part, but try this: After that part, imagine hearing the rest of the song on a Megadeth album? Wouldn't it just be lightyears ahead of all the other tracks, a complete standout? Yes it would. So bury the Megadeth/Metallica comparisons. HK: Man, this is beauty. There's this feeling of deja-vu I get, has this been developed from a jam that's on a bootleg? LITS: One of DT's best tunes ever. _Incredible_. Near perfect. I'd say it fights Metropolis strongly for the 4th position in my alltime DT faves... TAMP: The upbeatness is refreshing, and I have to say I can relate to a lot of the lyrics since I lost my dad (8 years ago) and remember sitting next the the hospital bed etc... Musically, this doesn't make me scream'n'shout, it's sort of like The Silent Man in the sense that I don't _usually_ get a big experience out of it, but don't have to skip it either. JLMB: Although the pacing (?) of the vocals in the verses irritates my majestic ears, this is growing on me and the instrumental sections that sounded quirky at first now seem to fit nicely. AL: Gosh!! It's the secret lovechild of Elton John & Freddie Mercury! Put that in the FAQ under "Who's Anna Lee?". Now only if Conan O'Brien would feature EJ and FM in his hilarious "if they mated" segment... and have DT as guests on his show. The song's beautiful, but no match to SDV in my opinion. TOT: Massive stuff. I still think the instrumental part should have more teamwork, but the two solos by DS and JP are great too.. As for the person who complained about the chorus (it's raining) being too simple or pop, I don't see your point at all. It's a beautiful melody, it works, it doesn't take anything away from the composition. That's pretty much it (hallelujah).. As for the production, I'm not happy about the snare sound, but it generally doesn't ruin my enjoyment. Falling Into Infinity is a great piece of work, yet another 4.0 for the best band on earth. I've decided I won't even try to rank the albums.. It only gives me a headache. quote of the day: Welcome to the waistband... where you'll find asses... nothing but asses. Mikey, you crack me up. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Antti Nyrhinen -- email_address_removed.ee -- Tel. +358-40-5858611 - Student of Int. Bus. Admin. at the Estonian Business School - - - - Find all you need in your mind if you take the time - - - ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3057 **************************