YTSEJAM Digest 3036

Today's Topics:

  1) Vai/fashion/etc
 by Madelaine <email_address_removed>
  2) Just for the grammar snobs
 by Über Cabe <email_address_removed>
  3) ((hatman/stickerman..back.
 by VAIMAN <email_address_removed>
  4) TOUR DATES??????
 by email_address_removed (Stephen LaMonica)
  5) A not so pleasant shade of ytse
 by "Heath A" <email_address_removed>
  6) DT and sex??
 by "Heath A" <email_address_removed>
  7) BMS... I tawt I herd it.
 by email_address_removed
  8) Re: Dazed and Confused
 by "John Gilbert" <email_address_removed>
  9) 
 by "Tony Gonzalez" <email_address_removed>
 10) Re: APSOG and FII
 by Rogerio Brito <email_address_removed.br>
 11) Dave Plotkin
 by Ryan Good <email_address_removed>
 12) Puppies on Acid and TTT
 by Rogerio Brito <email_address_removed.br>
 13) Bleeding Skies? Peruvian Me?
 by Rogerio Brito <email_address_removed.br>
 14) Glam?? Eighties metal??
 by Rogerio Brito <email_address_removed.br>
 15) Album productions
 by Rogerio Brito <email_address_removed.br>
 16) The whole APSoG again...
 by Rogerio Brito <email_address_removed.br>
 17) Re: Puppies on Acid and TTT
 by "ÞrØgßø¥" <email_address_removed>

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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:39:11 -0500
From: Madelaine <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Vai/fashion/etc
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


>From: Brandon Elhai <email_address_removed>
>Subject: Merry Axemas/Vai box set
>
>I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I found out that Steve Vai is
>organizing a Christmas album compilation that will be released on October
>14th and includes some of these artists:
<snip>
Whoa! "Kick ass!" (as Cartman would say...) That's really kewel..no more
Bing Crosby for me! :) As for the compilation, that's going to rock, too.
Especially since I've never been able to see Crossroads, and PCU blanked
out on me while watching it on cable... :P~~~~

>From: Scotch <email_address_removed>
>Subject: more Moore
>
>You know from the FAQ, where Moore says that he got the idea from looking
>through some catalog ("pages of Martens on angels") about some chick
>modeling something called a "space-dye vest."  That sounds kind of sketchy
>to me; I've never heard of anything like that, have you...?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but...yes. Sort of. About two months ago, one
of the bigger chain stores (K-mart, Target, Sears, Penny's, whatever) had
an ad for a "space-dye shirt". So, I'm assuming that somewhere in the
universe, there is the matching "space-dye vest". Ya know, so you can wear
maybe a black shirt and then the space-dye vest over it. Because
pattern-on-pattern = visit from fashion police. And then you have to wear
the Levi's wide-leg jeans and 6"  platform shoes...THEN you're stylin'!

(oops..sorry) 
-Maddy
100% serious about the space-dye stuff and all...

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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:13:03 -0700
From: Über Cabe <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Just for the grammar snobs
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hi everyone,

> From: Eckie <email_address_removed>
> Subject: This is why grammar is important...

> >  and I am feel pretty lucky to Dream Theater in this world.
> 
> Did anybody understand this one?~Eckie, your 5th grade English teacher...AGAI

Yeah. He is saying that he feels pretty lucky to *have* DT in this
world.

Eckie sometimes people make a mistake. Sometimes people spell a word
wrong. Sometimes people leave a word out. But that doesn't mean you have
to point out every single fookin' one. But since I know won't listen to
me, I'm going to do it to you. [the word 'sucka' can heard in the
background]

> From: Eckie <email_address_removed>
> Subject: Re: FALLING INTO ???...

> thier guns, thier idea,
> thier point of view, in thier light,
> in thier shade, in thier colors.

Hmm, not one or two, or even three. But SIX times you spelled the word
'thEIr' wrong.

Über Cabe your preschool teacher email_address_removed

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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:07:56 -0400
From: VAIMAN <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: ((hatman/stickerman..back.
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>



        Hey all, 
 
        It's me.  Todd S.  I've been away from the Ytsejam list for a while.
My old handle
        was "email_address_removed".  I offered the stickers and hat located
at:  WWW.DREAMT.ORG
        (in the merchandise section).  IF you wrote to the address about
stickers or hats and
        you got your mail back returned mail...all I can say now is:  If you
are still interested
        in the stuff, you can NOW get it!  I moved away and didn't receive
my mail.  NOW I DO GET
        MY MAIL at the Overland Park address.  If you have any questions,
feel free to write!
 
                        
                                        Take care,
 
                                                Todd
 
                email_address_removed
 
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cool dt hats and stickers:  www.dreamt.org
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 12:06:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: email_address_removed (Stephen LaMonica)
To: email_address_removed
Subject: TOUR DATES??????
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Does anybody know when Dream Theater will be touring the Philadelphia area or
the Long Island area???  Please let me know.  Also, what is everybodies fav
song off the new disc.  I love Trial of Tears.

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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 09:18:21 PDT
From: "Heath A" <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: A not so pleasant shade of ytse
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hey Stephen, I have no idea who you are but I totally agreed with what 
you said here on the jam if you're reading this.  I think all of you 
guys that bring down DT just because of this and that are totally 
pathetic and not DT fans at all. In my eyes, you're just party pooopers 
or something.  I know that I love this album.  Fading vocals, only 
backround keys, etc...??  What a joke!  Get a life you jerks!  DT is one 
if not the greatest band that I've ever heard and like STephen said, I 
would love to see one of those alternacrap groups go try to play even a 
ballad by DT.  Guarantee they couldn't.

Augie

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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 09:27:10 PDT
From: "Heath A" <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: DT and sex??
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


>Ern,   DT is the ONLY mood music for sex!  There are no other options! 
>For me there are no alternatives......males only!

hmmmm...See guys, that's why I'm the way that I am on IRC all the time.  
DT does it to me because I'm always listening to them.  Now I should 
remember this and play this around some other people *wink*.

Augie



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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 12:34:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: BMS... I tawt I herd it.
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


      Hey all, I am proud to say that the best radio station in New
Hampshire, WGIR Rock 101.1  is playing BMS in regular rotation.  On the
weekends they offer what they call "Block Party Weekend".  It's when they
take requests from people from what they want to hear.  This station is no
hold barred.  If you request it and they have it, they will play it.   So,
I'm driving back to my school place last night (about 1 am)  and I think to
myself, "Hmmm, maybe I'll stop and use the payphone and call to request BMS"
 I pull over to a rest stop with a payphone, low and behold, I didn't even
get out of the car when Jo-Jo (the DJ) announces "By request, here's a DT
block"  I could have screamed.  They played BMS to start, Pull me Under and
Learning to Live.  Then Jo-Jo said that she has recieved more requests for
this band (DT) all weekend long than almost any other.  I was so psyched!  I
figured I'd share my enjoyment with you!  : )    Talk to you later, J.P.

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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:53:33 PDT
From: "John Gilbert" <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: Dazed and Confused
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>




>..So I played the "Calling All DT Fans" riff, aka the opening to Pull 
>Me
>Under, and sure enough, I had somebody tap me on the shoulder and 
>shout out
>frantically, "Hey!  Are you a big DT fan!?". 

HEHEHE....that's always happening to me...I'll go to thoroughbred, blast 
a mesa boogie with some nice guitar they have and play the instrumental 
section of metropolis or the ytsejam and people come up to me and tap my 
shoulder, and say you a dream theater fan?? cool!@@!!!....then I'll ask 
them if they're in a band and if they want to jam sometime, and the 
usual response is- "i live 2 hours away from here" Well then they 
shouldn't be bothering me :)

John Gilbert
jg on irc.dreamt.org
http://home1.gte.net/mawyatt

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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:04:56 -0400
From: "Tony Gonzalez" <email_address_removed>
To: <email_address_removed>
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:25:24 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <email_address_removed.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: APSOG and FII
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.br>


On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Brandon Elhai wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, MrQ wrote:
> 
> > One song.  APSOG is a single song!  
> 
> I'm sure I'm gonna get some arguments on this, but why do you guys think
> APSOG is a single song? I know the band said it was, but it's not. It's a
> f00kin concept album. I'm sure that on their next tour they will play
> parts of APSOG and not all of it (much like Queensryche did on the
> Promised Land tour and others). If it really was one song, they'd have to
> play all parts of it. What band plays part of a song and leaves the rest
> out? So if it really is considered one song, they'd be playing only a part

	Metallica doesn't play Master of Puppets in its entirety,
*UNFORTUNATELY*. They only play the first heavy part, before the middle
incredible part. :-(

> of the song on future tours. That's like Dream Theater playing the

	I guess that you meant "So if it really is considered one song,
they'd not be playing only a part of the song on future tours", right? But
this isn't true, as I pointed out above. Just nitpicking, but I agree with
the fact that APSoG is 3 songs (before the acoustic part, the acoustic
part, and after the acoustic part -- I don't remember the number of the
acoustic part, but it is probably X or IX).

> Brandon

	[]s, Roger...

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 00:38:31 -0500
From: Ryan Good <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Dave Plotkin
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Yeah Dave....and that's me laughing at your joke on the back of the cover.
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:41:48 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <email_address_removed.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>
Subject: Puppies on Acid and TTT
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.br>


On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, =DEr=D8g=DF=F8=A5 wrote:

> i dont know im now im misunderstanding you... you mean youliked TTT's che=
esy 80's
> intro better than pOA? ....if so.. well... every boot i have and the LiT =
video has
> it this way... they go into puppies on acid..but after that intro they go=
 right to
> the original intro...they dont substitute TTT's cd intro with PoA...
> if you didnt mean that well..sorry :) hehe

=09I do like the "cheesy" (I don't know exactly what this word means,
but it seems pejorative every time I see it listed) original intro to TTT
much better than "Puppies on Acid". Is there any problem with that?? Does
it change your life?? Am I infringing some law?? :-) (just a silly comment
to show you that it is not a problem that people have different opinions).
But I think that it is ok in "The Mirror".

=09And what would life be if we all liked the same things??? I claim
that the 'jam wouldn't have so much information/experiences exchanging and
we wouldn't have 100 'jams a day. :-) Indeed, if everyone liked the album
the same, people would only say: "I like it". I could go on with this
subject, but I think that I'll stop now or else we would only have on
message in this 'jam.

=09Life would stink.

=09Hope this helps you see that it is a good thing that it's not a
crime for people to have different tastes than yours.


=09[]s, Roger...

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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:44:46 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <email_address_removed.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>
Subject: Bleeding Skies? Peruvian Me?
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.br>


On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Koby wrote:

> Whenever I hear the begining of Peruvian skies, I always expect to hear 
> the "lead singer of metallica guy" sing "I'm making my 
> wayyyyeeeeee...".  Anyone else?  PS: I don't own any metallica discs-- 
> just heard that tune on the radio.

	Weel, "Peruvian Skies" has a very similar beginning to "Bleeding
Me", indeed. And if you don't own/know any Metallica discs, you should
really think about getting one of their earlier albums if you're into
heavier/thrash metal. Today they are more commercial-based, but I'm yet to
see some group produce an album as good as "Master of Puppets" (well, I
have only two albums that are on the same level of this one: I&W and
Morningrise).

	Metallica is the band that created thrash (along with Megadeth) as
we know it. I mean, if they had not existed, there would be a chance that
many of us would not even know about heavier styles of music (I know that
at least a considerable quantity of friends of mine, including me, would
never had paid attention to heavy metal if it were not for Metallica --
the *very* first CD I owned was Metallica's "Metallica", aka "The Black
Album").

	Ok. Enough digressing...


	[]s, Roger...

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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:50:02 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <email_address_removed.br>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Glam?? Eighties metal??
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.br>



	Hi, all.

	Could someone tell me please what are the problems with glam?? Why
do you think that the Eighties had bad metal? I don't know what you mean
when you talk about glam, besides bands that used more make up than my
mother, but I really like a lot of 80's albums (all the good Metallica's
albums were from that decade, some Megadeth etc) and don't think that the 
dressing style has anything to do with the music of a particular artist.
I'm really confused with these posts to the 'jam.

	Really curious trying to see what is wrong, Roger...

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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:59:11 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <email_address_removed.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>
Subject: Album productions
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.br>


On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Ernesto Schnack wrote:

> About production: Rogerio brought up an interesting question: What is
> production? I always thought I knew, but now that i think about it...
> Weren't producers invented by the record companies basically to make hits?
> It would seem to me that they are the eyes and ears of the record label,
> while the band/musician is in th studio.  Giving suggestions on
> arrangements and sound.  But wouldn't the guy who actually take care of how
> an album sound be the sound engineer? This is after all what they study.  
> I'd think that while the producer may give suggestions like "this needs to
> sound more airy" or "give the drums more oomph", the sound engineer is the
> guy who really handles the recording.  Am i wrong here? Any experienced
> people know what the real deal is?

	Well, summarizing what I've understood from this and other posts,
I think that the producer is someone who gives opinions on the job the
others are doing :-), while the artists and the sound engineer are the
people with the hard job. :-)

	Am I right? :-)

> Ernesto

	[]s, Roger...

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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:05:55 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <email_address_removed.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>
Subject: The whole APSoG again...
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.br>


On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Brandon Elhai wrote:

> Have any of you tried to get a friend into APSOG? Why not play the "whole
> song" for him. It'll only take 53 minutes. If Fates really wanted it to be
> considered one song, they should have omitted the indexes. 

	Well, actually, I've said: "You can't get an idea of what the song
sounds like if you only listen to its first 5 minutes". And it is indeed
the case. Just look at how many variations the song has.

	But talking about the indices, I saw an interview with Ray where
he stated that it was an error to put them there (technically those marks
are not indices, but beggining of tracks, blah, blah etc), that he would
like people to hear to the song entirely and not only its parts. If I ever
see it again, I'll send its URL to the 'jam.

> Brandon

	[]s, Roger...

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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:07:25 -0400
From: "ÞrØgßø¥" <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: Puppies on Acid and TTT
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>




Rogerio Brito wrote:

=09I do like the "cheesy" (I don't know exactly what this word means,but it
seems pejorative every time I see it listed) original intro to TTT much better
than "Puppies on Acid". Is there any problem with that?? Does it change your
life?? Am I infringing some law?? :-) (just a silly comment to show you that it
is not a problem that people have different opinions).

No..but basically what i meant to point out with that msg is that when they
played the PoA intro...they right after went to the original intro... meaning
that they didnt replace the original..they just attached PoA at the begining..

  Later..



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