YTSEJAM Digest 3035 Today's Topics: 1) "Another Day"/"Take Away My Pain" by "Vincent G. LuPone" 2) Defending my honor...Coldfire speaks! by Carol Dellinger 3) Help!!! by "Peter Tatischev" 4) Why I still live in Ohio! by email_address_removed (John Emmons) 5) Kevin & all. by Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?Wallstr=F6m?= 6) APSoG: One song or more? by Rick Audet 7) You Not Me about commercialism by durnik 8) Re:about that cover... by "Peter Tatischev" 9) Re: Whole buncha stuff by Shai Yallin 10) FII by email_address_removed (Stephen LaMonica) 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3033 by email_address_removed 12) Re: more Moore by Shai Yallin 13) Re: something different... Fates/Phish connection by email_address_removed.ca (Jean-Pierre Thibault) 14) Way too much free time..... by Shai Yallin 15) Re: DT Thoughts.... by Shai Yallin 16) Something not to do by Kevin Madden 17) What ya doing? Shh, I'm posting to the Ytsejam uh-huh-huh by Über Cabe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 21:19:55 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" To: email_address_removed Subject: "Another Day"/"Take Away My Pain" Message-ID: At 05:34 PM 9/27/97 -0700, David Di Tivoli wrote: >I think that Another day is connected with Take away my pain..... >Have you seen Another day video?The girl with her brother that ask to the >father to die another day.......... Yeah man, totally. I mean, the first song was Petrucci's way of coping with his father's illness, and Take Away My Pain is about his father's death. I like how it is such a happy song. To me, it means that Petrucci looks at his father's passing in a good light. He seems to have overcome his demons about the whole situation (I mean this in every sense of the phrase), and I'm happy for him. Personally tho, I liked Another Day better. TAMP just hasn't settled in with me yet. I'm sure it will, but right now it just sounds a bit too Michael W. Smith-y to my ears. Well laterz all, Vince LuPone is my name, Progressive Metal is my game. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 00:50:39 -0700 From: Carol Dellinger To: email_address_removed Subject: Defending my honor...Coldfire speaks! Message-ID: > From: "Christopher R. Merlo" > > > > But personally, I can think of something better to do sexually with my > > > DT CD's! > > > > Um, you lost me here." > > > > If I lost you then I'm really worried......what I was referring to was > > the fact DT's music is great background music for sex! Which makes me > > But, you see, you said "do sexually *with* my CDs," not "do sexually while > listening to my CDs." An entirely different denotation. Hence the confusion > and worrying. > > > wondering.......When DT is the background music for sex.....my partner > > of choice is male. > > Whoa, huh huh, cool. I'm gonna score. :) > D-Man Welcome to the deep end....how's the water? > > From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) > > > wondering.......When DT is the background music for sex.....my partner > > of choice is male. > > So when it isn't DT, uh, hehehehe > > :P > > Ern Ern, DT is the ONLY mood music for sex! There are no other options! For me there are no alternatives......males only! email_address_removed (there's a reason they call me coldfire) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:01:22 +0300 From: "Peter Tatischev" To: Subject: Help!!! Message-ID: Hello, jammers!!! I need your advice - a friend of mine is goinng to England and he asks me what cool CDs by English bands he can get there - he is particularly interested in keyboard-oriented progressive metal or rock. Please, if you can help, mail me ======================================= Untie these strings, I'm climbing down I won't let them push me away Change Of Seasons, lyrics by Mike Portnoy Peter Tatischev email_address_removed ======================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 04:09:08 +0100 From: email_address_removed (John Emmons) To: email_address_removed Subject: Why I still live in Ohio! Message-ID: George, >Attention Cleveland DT fans. Joe Cleon, from the Scene >up WNCX 98.5FM and ask him if he has the new DT. He tells me >that BMS is cued-up and is going to be the next song ON THE AIR! How could I miss this event! Not to mention it is BMS...that song is one of my favorites...(but isn't the whole album?) I will definitly make some more requests for DT songs to make sure this trend continues! > YES! There is a god and he listens to DT in Cleveland! >Now if we can just get WMMS is play something by DT. My vote Why else do you think I am still in Ohio? Everyone comes to play at least one show here! I am surprised WMMS hasn't played anything yet. They were big Queensyche promoters, and you'd think the music runs similar veins of interests. oh, I remember the Hollow Years discussion that was started, and the more I think about it the more I think it is about knowing when to leave a relationship that isn't working. He leaves for an easy way out- the wrong reason to leave or keep any relationship- instead of facing a choice, he leaves to avoid decision- and she expresses everything, but knows it is time to turn and leave. I think the shattering of Hollow years is when you finally are free from that relationship which hasn't been working, and now instead of pretending there was something there in that Hollow relationship, the stone and burden has been lifted from your shoulders to start again....well, I was having some second thoughts about it from listening to the new album so much! You know how the lyrics grow on you the more you listen to them! Thanks for your time! Maria ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 01:26:42 +0100 From: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?Wallstr=F6m?= To: email_address_removed Subject: Kevin & all. Message-ID: Oh, hi. It's my first mail here (be gentle). Got so damn inspired by the new record, that I had to search the damn net for some good DT sites. All this talk about Kevin:- For me it was a big loss when he left because he was one of five individuals that played my ears off on I&W (the album that got me hooked to DT). He was, more or less, one of the founders aswell. I got to meet him once, and he was just the greatest. Whatever he does in the phuture (shave heads an' all), I wish him the best. And about the songs of the new album: every song is a killer! And to say that "oh, this sounds like Sting" is just stoopid. As explained in several interviews and press releases, DT have alot of different influences, and ofcourse it's gonna show in the music. Please don't analyze the music - enjoy it! Finally, Lars Hellsten wrote: >On I&W, I don't think he wrote all the melodies, and was >kind of trying to replicate Chuckie D's style a little. Well, there were certain production things that were done to his voice that he didn't agree with. I yes, I think so too that many of the vocal lines were done before his time in the band. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 03:12:33 -0700 From: Rick Audet To: ShitzyJam Subject: APSoG: One song or more? Message-ID: Hi folks, Noticing this discussion about Fates Warning's "A Pleasant Shade of Gray" (aka APSoG) I thought I'd let my *ears* decide how many songs there might be on this item. Yeah sure, it's an album made up of twelve unnamed parts, but does APSoG really sound like one long song? Here's what my ears came up with: Song #1: Parts 1 & 2 Song #2: Part 3 Song #3: Parts 4 & 5 Song #4: Part 6 Song #5: Parts 7 & 8 Song #6: Part 9 Song #7: Parts 10 & 11 Song #8: Part 12 Gee, there's almost a pattern in there. 2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1. Anyway, does this make any sense or am I completely out of line again ? Now Playing: Meat Beat Manifesto, "Original Fire" Rick Audet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 03:13:27 -0700 (MST) From: durnik To: email_address_removed Subject: You Not Me about commercialism Message-ID: Robert Taylor is right on the money with that analysis of You Not Me from Jam #3034. The commercialism aspect is clearer with every verse, more obvious every time you hear the song, kinda like the AIDS thing in LTL or the Hamlet thing in PMU. Good show, Robert! :) -Mike email_address_removed://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:22:35 +0300 From: "Peter Tatischev" To: Subject: Re:about that cover... Message-ID: Ernesto Schack wrote: > The chorus to JLMB should become our little ytse-prayer...seriously:) Yeah!!! I completely agree with that - the song is .......ing cool ======================================= Untie these strings, I'm climbing down I won't let them push me away Change Of Seasons, lyrics by Mike Portnoy Peter Tatischev email_address_removed ======================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:18:45 +0200 From: Shai Yallin To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Whole buncha stuff Message-ID: Brown, Neal Patrick wrote: > > There's been a thread about a shared riff > between JLMB and Wait For Sleep...the WFS segment in question has a n > extra beat in it (it's ONE-two-three-TWO-two-three, if you can recall > the melody) whereas the JLMB thing is only five beats instead of six > (ONE-two-THREE-FOUR-five). Actually, WFS is 5/8 x 3 then 4/8 then 6/8 x 3 then 4/8 again what makes it a total of 41/8 in the 1st verse. On the 2nd verse, it's (6/8 x 3 + 4/8) x 2. I have no life, do I? -- Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM "I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit." - Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction "How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 09:40:56 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed (Stephen LaMonica) To: email_address_removed Subject: FII Message-ID: I am just writing to vent my anger at the so called Dream Theater "fans," so this might get ugly. While looking on the net one day before the release of FII, I read many negative opinions such as "not progressive, three chord songs, keyboards mainly background, vocals thinned out, etc....." Personally, I feel this album is a great album from a great band. Naturally, it isn't Images and Words, but if it was, people would complain that it wasn't different. I just want to make a few points. 1-13 minute songs, complex vocal/instrumental patterns, 78MINUTES LONG....not progressive enough?????? 2-True, Hollow Years and the other two ballads may not be as a complex as other DT offerings, but I would love to see Bush try to play any one of these songs(especially the faint guitar line(all the 32nd notes) during the Take My Pain Away chorus). Three chords.....I think not!!! 3-Keyboards mainly background?????????? Maybe I am hearing things, but I am hearing some great melodies and solos coming out of Sherinian's Korg! Also some great synth sounds I have never heard before. 4-Vocals thinned out???????? Listen to the chorus of You Not Me and then come back to me on that one! I am so sick of these fairweather fans who spend all of their time complaining about DT, instead of looking for something they do like! To them, I suggest that they take up Milli Vanilli......or maybe Vanilla Ice! While they sit in the corner and weep like a punished child, I will be enjoying my new disc and awaiting the tour Stephen La Monica ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 09:55:54 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3033 Message-ID: > > Wysp and Wmmr are not playing DT at all. I called WYSP 4 times and asked > them to play DT, and they said that "We don't play them" , and I tried Wmmr, > and they said that "DT wasn't on our playlist." Here is my proposal: DT > needs Philadelphia (a major music market) to play their material to gain > further exposure to the Philadelpia area in which I live in. It bothers me > when I read other jammers posting that they heard DT on the radio, and I have > yet to hear any DT past or present on the two biggest rock stations here. > Remember the petition we all signed to help get them into the studio, Well I > think the band deserves this help from their fans, Here are the phone > numbers to the stations: WMMR- 800 423-wmmr or 215 238-8000, WYSP 215 > 263-7625. I don't know how you will respond to this post, but I am very > pissed off about it. I want DT to succeed and get into the studio often so > they can put out an album every year like Rush did. Obviously the phone call > won't take long, and one phone call from many jammers a piece could really > help promote this band. Yes I am trying to help promote this band. If > anyone has this same problem with their local radio stations, then we all > could help everyone's local radio stations. If you guys think my post is a > little extreme, then I am humble to listen to feedback. Now playing: Trial > of Tears. A+ song\ \ dude , I think you may have a much better chance with Y100 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:03:47 +0200 From: Shai Yallin To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: more Moore Message-ID: > Welcome to the waistland... where you'll find asses... nothing but asses. Hehe... I almost fell from the chair reading this.... At first i thought it was 'ashes', but then i got it.... it's a good thing that not all of the posts here are bitching.... it's always good to read a parody (or have a look at Jason's finger....) NP: ToT. Whoa. Once you get into this songs it rules very much. -- Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM "I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit." - Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction "How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:15:26 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed.ca (Jean-Pierre Thibault) To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: Re: something different... Fates/Phish connection Message-ID: >Now I'm not a great Phish authority, so I'm just guessing here. But I just >got Rift, which, if I understand correctly, is a concept album (or >something similiar), and it reminds me of APSOG. Yep, it is indeed a concept album. It's also slightly progressive if you ask me. >But the first song starts "Last night in the moments my thoughts were >adrift, and coasting a terrace approaching a rift" > >and there's a 'theme' that's repeated twice on the CD that goes: > >"When your there, I sleep lenghtwise, and when your gone, I sleep diagonal >in my bed" > >That sung under the sound of a clock ticking and breathing (as in someone >lying in bed not being able to sleep) > >Any Phish heads on the list that can verify this? There's been a lot of discussion about this on rec.music.phish a few months ago. The first two songs, Rift and FEFY, are about conflicts in a relationship and problems in this guy's life. On Lenghtwise, he falls asleep and drifts into dreamland. Every song after that represents a different dream that he has. On the second Lenghtwise, he wakes up. His problems have either been solved or he's accepted them (i.e., the end of a relationship). You'll notice the optimism in the lyrics of Horse->Silent In The Morning. Notice the symmetry in the song order: the 1st Lenghtwise is the 3rd song, and the 2nd one is the 3rd last song.é The fourth and fourth last songs are both 8:14 long. Now if you've read through this, you must all go out and buy "Junta" right now! It's Phish's first album, and has many epic progressive songs - Divided Sky, You Enjoy Myself, Fluffhead... don't be fooled by the wacky titles, this stuff is awesome. J-P -- "I think, therefore I jam" tapelist: http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~cn111/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:19:23 +0200 From: Shai Yallin To: email_address_removed Subject: Way too much free time..... Message-ID: Hi all. Well, I was reading the lyrics to BMS, and I have found a new interpretation to it: "Keep your thoughts and ideas locked inside your head. We've got someone to think for you instead and he sounds just like the last one." He's speaking about the record company telling them what to do, and bringing an outsider to write songs. "Using your words controlling my life can't you see it's my words that gives you your life." Here he's saying that record companys try to control the music that the band make, but the music that the band makes the money (and therefore living) for the record company.... Or maybe I just had too much FII and pain killers for the last couple of days.... Laterz, -- Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM "I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit." - Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction "How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:33:48 +0200 From: Shai Yallin To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT Thoughts.... Message-ID: Carol Dellinger wrote: > Thank you Chris for realizing I'm a female. Chicks listening to DT? Over here to find one that listens to plain rock is hard enough.... most of the girls listen to shit like Techno/Dance and act like they're melting when they hear a little distortion... I think this is my 4th or 5th post today.... That what happens when you're haveing the flu and the whole country's on strike... oh well.. -- Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM "I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit." - Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction "How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:39:53 -0400 From: Kevin Madden To: email_address_removed Subject: Something not to do Message-ID: Don't ever listen to FII immediately following Angra's Holy Land. You will be inspired to rustle up a posse and string up Mr. Shirley. I reckon. Hyup. CD of the Day: Iron Maiden - Piece of Mind Side note to D-Man - you must have bought some of that pheremone cologne, 'cause *your* new album would be called, "Falling into Vagina." (Or is that "Virginia?") Green Bay Packers - The Quest to Repeat 3-1 This Week: at Detroit Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:37:19 -0700 From: Über Cabe To: email_address_removed Subject: What ya doing? Shh, I'm posting to the Ytsejam uh-huh-huh Message-ID: Hi everyone, > From: "James Bennett" > Subject: Re: jamming thoughts down your throat..... > Well, I think you need to re-read my post, because judging by this reply it > sure seems like you didnt. At the end of my original post I said, that if > someone is spewing crap about the new album and just saying that it sucks, > its crap etc, that they should be ignored. I'm not talking about people talking shit about FII, read my post again. I'm not talking about your post(well I am but not just your post), again read my post again. What I'm was talking about was why do people response with "we have a right to dislike/hate/whatever this album. but i do like fii" I read at least 20 jams yesterday and it seems a large group of people would not fully read(or even skim) a post, and then response. And the response wouldn't make any sense, if you go back & read the original post. (well, at least to me :) > By the way, i have been "fully > reading the jams" whatever that means, will there be a test?? First off, how does fully reading the jams equal there being a test? If you would read a post(especially when the original poster makes his point clear), then you wouldn't have to bother with my posts. Simple, right? Read and I won't bother you. :) > Oh, and dont take this personally, im just expressing myself Hmm, I really sorry if my "tone" offends you. But if you saw me, you would see I'm just sitting back having fun. (and not at your expense :) That's something email never do. Make me come across as the dork I really am. :) Über Cabe email_address_removed ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3035 **************************