YTSEJAM Digest 3033 Today's Topics: 1) A Ytsefan in Progression Magazine!` by "Syrinx" 2) Whole buncha stuff by "Brown, Neal Patrick" 3) APSoG by Lars Hellsten 4) CD NOW yourself, lars by Kevin Madden 5) Re: jamming thoughts down your throat..... by "James Bennett" 6) Chroma Key by "Razvan Tudose" 7) Re: New album-song by song by email_address_removed 8) You Not Me by "Brian Hayden" 9) stuff by JB 10) Re: Thoughts on Lines in the Sand by email_address_removed 11) Another day connected with Take away my pain by David Di Tivoli 12) Re: Dazed and Confused by Eckie 13) Burning My Imagination by Über Cabe 14) YTSEJAM digest 3026 by Christophe Thomas 15) YTSEJAM digest 3025 by Christophe Thomas 16) Phill Rock Stations Not Playing DT by Christopher Bellardine 17) Re: HELP - Savatage at Birch Hill by Sava Web 18) John Petrucci talks about FII - Part 1 by "Tom Baddley" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:06:49 -0400 From: "Syrinx" To: "A Ytse Besides Itself" Subject: A Ytsefan in Progression Magazine!` Message-ID: Just a quick one (while he's away)... Our own Andy Miller (subtlerage) is in the latest edition of Progression Magazine. No, he's not in it for his own work. He's in it to promote the finneus gauge cd. in their add, they quote Andy as saying... "did you ever buy an album that makes you want to haul all your musical equipment down to the nearest pawn shop? ...by this disc. it rules." Congratulations, Andy! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- e-mail: email_address_removed / email_address_removed erotomania! = http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx offical lemur voice hompages: http://www.cobweb.nl/mcoenen/welcome.htm http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:24:55 CDT From: "Brown, Neal Patrick" To: Subject: Whole buncha stuff Message-ID: Okay...I got up tofay and saw I had two Ytsejams already waiting for me...sheesh...you guys are all on speed =P A few initial random thoughts: if BMS is released as a single, what are they going to do about the famous expletive? There's been a thread about a shared riff between JLMB and Wait For Sleep...the WFS segment in question has a n extra beat in it (it's ONE-two-three-TWO-two-three, if you can recall the melody) whereas the JLMB thing is only five beats instead of six (ONE-two-THREE-FOUR-five). I still haven't made up my mind about Peruvian Skies. I just don't get that song. From #3030: 1) Buck said NM is a bad song to lead off FII with. I thought it was great, personally--I feel it's the best track on the album, representing the new style very well while still being as beat-you-upsdie-the-head intricate as, say, Take The Time. LITS might have been better, because of that cool, wispy Yes-like opening, but then you can't intro LTIS with HK, and HK wouldn't have been a good leader. ToT is best for a closer, and any other song would have made me worry about the rest of the album. =) Speaking of NM, someone asked what time it's in...that opening theme is in an alternating sig...listen to it right at the beginning of the song, so you can hear the chimes in the background (either MP on crotales or something or DS). The pattern is based on 16th notes. The chimes are in a pattern of three-three-three-three-two-two-three-three-three-three-two. (That's the # of 16ths in between each note.) That means it's really in 16 and 14, respectively--or 4/4 and 7/8. =) 2) Jon Derry wondered about backing vocals...I'd like to know what's going on with the BMS chorus--the deep voices and the "computerized" voice.Anybody know? (Or better yet, anybody have an opinion? ;) From #3031: 1) KillMary: no, I'm God....go away, you impostor...hehehehehe 2) NM sounds like U2? I sure don't hear that.... 3) Phoenix asked about the solo on JLMB. It sounds to me like a give and take between JP and DS...it actually sounds to me like they wrote the melody line (which means it's more of a melody & not technical ly a solo) and split it up every couple of beats between the synth and guitar. It's a highlight of the album, and I wish they'd written more of it, although I can hear some of those riffs in the background now in the beginning of the song. One more random thought: patention? hunged? ass whole? I realize not everybody on here's a native speaker of English...but as Will Smith said in "Men In Black"...."cuz....damn...." hehehehehe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:24:09 -0400 From: Lars Hellsten To: email_address_removed Subject: APSoG Message-ID: >One song. APSOG is a single song! There is no way FII is better than it >even I&W's isn't at the level of perfection that FW reached with that album. Give me a break. So APSOG is better than FII because it's one long song? Excuse my ignorance, but how the FUCK does the fact the album only has one song make it a better album? FII has several SONGS on it (TOT, LITS, NM, AL, etc...) that are better than APSOG. And of the albums as a whole, FII is much better because APSOG is boring, doesn't flow well, and could have been cut down to 15-20 minutes without losing anything. Besides, it's easier to reach a "level of perfection" when an album is just one song, because there's nothing else on the same album to compare it to but itself. ** Lars Hellsten ** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:15:50 -0400 From: Kevin Madden To: email_address_removed Subject: CD NOW yourself, lars Message-ID: > New Releases September 23 > ````````````````````````` > Dream Theater Falling Into Infinity > Scorpions Deadly Sting-Mercury Years > Kiss Gene Simmons Funny, this came in *my* CDNOW update. CD of the Day: Stratovarius - Visions Green Bay Packers - The Quest to Repeat 3-1 This Week: at Detroit Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:26:20 -0700 From: "James Bennett" To: Subject: Re: jamming thoughts down your throat..... Message-ID: <01bccb9c$c2b96d40$message_id_removed> someone said... >Hmm, did you read the "Screw...of it" part? I'm sick of people agruing >the fact that they can like FII. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT. It's when someone >says "they sold out. they suck." That pisses off people. And then the >people who have not been fully reading the jams said "i have a right to >not like this FII. but i do like FII." What's wrong with you people? >READ THE POST, THEN REPLY!!! Well, I think you need to re-read my post, because judging by this reply it sure seems like you didnt. At the end of my original post I said, that if someone is spewing crap about the new album and just saying that it sucks, its crap etc, that they should be ignored. By the way, i have been "fully reading the jams" whatever that means, will there be a test?? Oh, and dont take this personally, im just expressing myself peace. James ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 02:28:31 +0300 From: "Razvan Tudose" To: Subject: Chroma Key Message-ID: I am looking for the Chroma Key demo (On The Page, Sounds Like Watercolor, Chroma Key a.s.o.) If you have the demo and are willing to dub it for me , please email me (email_address_removed.ro) and we'll set up a trade ... Thanx! :) btw, did I mention that Kevin Moore rules ? :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:31:02 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: New album-song by song Message-ID: >>YNM - Does not fit on this album at all. Great lyrics, but far too pop >>oriented musically (gee, with Desmond Child writing?). Not a bad song, >>but just not right for the overall tone of this album. I've seen plenty of people bashing this song and I ready can't understand why. Some say it's too poppy, others gripe about a "bad production." Sorry, but I love this song!!! The chorus is clearly Child, but this isn't the first catchy chorus he has written...and gee, I like a pop song...and this one is within the framework of a DT song. Nothing could be better. And as far as the production, forget it. Shirley did a great job on the whole thing. This album is balanced sonically, much more so than AWAKE which one could barely hear the keys. So I'm rambling... Gonzo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 97 18:37:35 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" To: email_address_removed Subject: You Not Me Message-ID: Okay, this is bugging the hell out of me. The verse vocal melody in YMN is very similar to a melody from a pop song that I can't remember. Does anyone else hear this, and do you know that song? It's probably about 5-10 years old. -Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:41:16 -0400 From: JB To: email_address_removed Subject: stuff Message-ID: >>How the hell can you take something like this personally? You didn't have >>jack shit to do with the production... stop taking credit for it, you >>didn't contribute. > >Dude, are you on crack? Did I ever want to take credit for it? Is that what >I said? Go and get some sleep, you're seeing things. You're obviously seeing >things I never wrote. when you said "i take it personally when people bitch about the production", how is that supposed to be taken? Point in fact... you can disagree with their, comments, but you cant "take it personally" unless you did the production yourself (i.e. if you were Shirley). Sorry if I sounded harsh (as I read it now it does looks a bit much), but the implications of that comment are that you did the producing. Oh and by the way, I did get some sleep (now that my Operating Systems program is done)... so I'm feeling much better thanks! :) Trying to take the time to talk through this tepidly, (whoa.. thatsa lotta t's) Jason ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:40:33 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Thoughts on Lines in the Sand Message-ID: Mike Bahr wrote: >>Doug Pinnick adds an ingredient to that song that DT sorely >>needed. KJLB is a good vocalist, but he plays the voice like an >>instrument, taking it to heights and breadths unheard of to add power and >>polish to the songs. King's X is a different animal, conveying an >>incredible amount of emotion in vocal-driven songs while playing >>prog-worthy but less crucial instrumental accompaniments. Those of you who >>are turned off by Doug's addition to DT may not have had a chance to >>experience the KX musical direction enough, because it's almost the exact >>opposite side of the progressive coin from DT. I think the combination of >>the two makes quite possibly the most complete DT song I've ever heard. Amen. Doug gives DT soul which is something James can't do, but that's okay. Doug was the perfect choice for that song. And boy does he wail! Gonzo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 01:55:32 +0200 From: David Di Tivoli To: email_address_removed Subject: Another day connected with Take away my pain Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970928015532.009269e0@pronet.it> I think that Another day is connected with Take away my pain..... Have you seen Another day video?The girl with her brother that ask to the father to die another day.......... +--------------------------------------------------+ | David Di Tivoli | | "DREAM" Undernet:#italia | | E-mail:dream@pronet.it | | UIN #2549487 | |www.pegacity.it/abita/374/index.htm | |-----------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:09:10 -0700 From: Eckie To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Dazed and Confused Message-ID: Heh, NO KIDDING! I wish I had more of these I&W shirts, 'cuz this one's starting to smell bad! I went to check out some ol' equipment at guitar center and plugged a Jackson Kelly into the Rocktron Pirahna (the kelly wasn't too hot...one of 'em commercially "toned down" models :P) Anyhoo, I had gotten comments from 3 sales clerks within 5 minutes of me walking into the store, and all of 'em said there was another DT freak that I should talk to, but they didn't know where he was..... ..So I played the "Calling All DT Fans" riff, aka the opening to Pull Me Under, and sure enough, I had somebody tap me on the shoulder and shout out frantically, "Hey! Are you a big DT fan!?". Hey Vince, we got another guitar player who's absoultely nuts about DT...he also mentioned that he has a drummer friend who can play everything DT has put out. (But he also mentioned that this drummer is a bit of an asshole). Anyhoo, we exchanged numbers 'n what not.... I swear, it was a scene right out of Wayne's World. On the way out of the store, another sales clerk strikes up a conversation with me and we start talkin' about how the record company is so fuckin' DUMB on promoting DT.... and he shared a very interesting viewpoint (One that I don't accept, but I never really considered it that heavily before): Maybe the suits at Elektra really do have taste, and don't want to see the same thing that happens with every pop band; these people don't want a bunch of posuers running around with Dream Theater apparel and butchering DT songs on Fender twats and Marshall amps just because Dream Theater's suddenly popular. Dream Theater has become more of a "hidden treasure" in American rock 'n roll, much like every other band that's been recommended on this list. And those that find this treasure have found a great reward and should keep it underground. I told him, "Yeah, that's true that we don't have to worry about any "posuer" Dream Theater fans the way it is," but I still think that there are a lot of people who need to hear this band, and I'll recommend DT's FII, Awake, or I&W to anybody (especially FII). Regarding U2, I let a friend of mine who's into the "U2 thing" borrow my cd player and FII for about half an hour, and when he returned it to me he said, "It's too preachy and apocolyptic sounding. I'd rather listen to Oasis. U2 keeps everything on an upbeat level, and this band seems to look at everything in a very dark way, very critical about pop culture." Well, DUH, it's METAL! ~G.I. Eckie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:51:37 -0700 From: Über Cabe To: email_address_removed Subject: Burning My Imagination Message-ID: Hi everyone, > From: Seth Hatlelid > Subject: First post in a while > Derek said that Eastwest hated them and the only reason that Eastwest let > DT have any controll over their own music was that DT was making money > for them and Eastwest had no idea how, so Derek said that they get pretty > much left alone becuase they were making money without any outside help > and EW was afraid to screw that up. Why is it that I think Derek is going to become DTs new "clown" member? Between this, the blond chick thing, and the gay rumors, he's going to take over MPs position pretty easily. :) ____ > From: Lars Hellsten > Subject: CDNOW > > New Releases For September 23 > > R O C K > > Jackson Browne "The Next Voice You Hear" > > Morphine "B-Sides And Otherwise" > > Southern Culture On The Skids "Plastic Seat Sweat" > > Gregg Allman "One More Try"* > > Cream "Those Were The Days"* > > Gee... isn't there something wrong with this picture? Fucking assholes. Yeah, where is the Elton John CD!?! CDNow sucks more than that wanna be sell out band Dream Theatre. They can't even sell out, right! They have 11 songs, that actually have some value in them. :) ____ And just to end this post with some semi-DTC. I have "twisted" :) around the lyrics to BMS so that it's a song about how MP hates JLB.(hey who needs parodies, when you can just think of a funny scene) JLB is a back seat driver(the I say it's green, and then you tell me it's red :). JLB makes fun of MP hair turning gray. So MP had to color it, the same color JLB hair is. :) And the my words give you your life part is about how MPs lyric are what supports JLB job or life, and how JLB tries to mess with MP lyrics. :) Hehe, the song is pretty fun this way. Who says that BMS is depressing, use your imagination, dOOd! Über Cabe email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 02:59:18 +0100 From: Christophe Thomas To: email_address_removed Subject: YTSEJAM digest 3026 Message-ID: <0039600000194469000002L092*@MHS> Status Distribution Unknown , :: The message regarding "" sent on Unknown , :: was sent by Status Recipient Type To Native Name email_address_removed Foreign Native Name email_address_removed Recipients Status Reporters Type From Name Domain NOTES Native Name CN=3DChristophe Thomas/OU=3DFR/O=3DBULL@B= ULL Foreign Native Name CN=3DChristophe Thomas/OU=3DFR/O=3DBULL\n= BULL\n\n Organization BULL Org Unit 1 FR Last Name Thomas First Name Christophe Status 769 Explanation Invalid recipient X.400 Status 769 Explanation Le d=E9lai de distribution est arriv=E9 =E0 expiration = ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 03:10:34 +0100 From: Christophe Thomas To: email_address_removed Subject: YTSEJAM digest 3025 Message-ID: <0039600000195093000002L032*@MHS> Status Distribution Unknown , :: The message regarding "" sent on Unknown , :: was sent by Status Recipient Type To Native Name email_address_removed Foreign Native Name email_address_removed Recipients Status Reporters Type From Name Domain NOTES Native Name CN=3DChristophe Thomas/OU=3DFR/O=3DBULL@B= ULL Foreign Native Name CN=3DChristophe Thomas/OU=3DFR/O=3DBULL\n= BULL\n\n Organization BULL Org Unit 1 FR Last Name Thomas First Name Christophe Status 769 Explanation Invalid recipient X.400 Status 769 Explanation Le d=E9lai de distribution est arriv=E9 =E0 expiration = ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 97 21:32:45 EDT From: Christopher Bellardine To: email_address_removed Subject: Phill Rock Stations Not Playing DT Message-ID: Wysp and Wmmr are not playing DT at all. I called WYSP 4 times and asked them to play DT, and they said that "We don't play them" , and I tried Wmmr, and they said that "DT wasn't on our playlist." Here is my proposal: DT needs Philadelphia (a major music market) to play their material to gain further exposure to the Philadelpia area in which I live in. It bothers me when I read other jammers posting that they heard DT on the radio, and I have yet to hear any DT past or present on the two biggest rock stations here. Remember the petition we all signed to help get them into the studio, Well I think the band deserves this help from their fans, Here are the phone numbers to the stations: WMMR- 800 423-wmmr or 215 238-8000, WYSP 215 263-7625. I don't know how you will respond to this post, but I am very pissed off about it. I want DT to succeed and get into the studio often so they can put out an album every year like Rush did. Obviously the phone call won't take long, and one phone call from many jammers a piece could really help promote this band. Yes I am trying to help promote this band. If anyone has this same problem with their local radio stations, then we all could help everyone's local radio stations. If you guys think my post is a little extreme, then I am humble to listen to feedback. Now playing: Trial of Tears. A+ song ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:45:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Sava Web To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: HELP - Savatage at Birch Hill Message-ID: TicketBastard has it listed under Sabotage not Savatage for some reason.. > > > No DTC. I just went to Ticketmaster and they said that they're not selling > tickets for the Savatage show at the Birch Hill. Does anyone know of any other > places that carry Birch Hill tickets in NYC? I'd rather not wait until the > night of the show, but I also don't want to waste a trip into NJ. > > Thanks. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- email_address_removed Savatage Fan Web Pages Trans-Siberian Orchestra Web Pages www.savatage.com www.winternet.com/~savaweb/tso -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:16:53 -0600 From: "Tom Baddley" To: Subject: John Petrucci talks about FII - Part 1 Message-ID: The following is loosely transcribed from a recording of JP's guitar clinic in Orlando, FL in August., 1997. I originally was just interested in posting up some of the comments he made about FII's songs, but it quickly became an almost verbatim transcriptions of his question and answer session between songs he played. I'll have to split it in several parts, as it's taking me a long time to transcript this tape...I'd never make it as a court reporter! Not every question and comment John made was included. I tried to keep only the comments that were related to FII or their attitudes and feelings going into this album. Everyone seems to really have jumped on James LaBrie for his comments about DT tapping Rush and Pink Floyd's audiences during a recent interview. I think that a lot of you missed James' point. This is their livelihood...their career. I know I'd like a raise at my job. For DT, Larger Audience=Pay Raise. This is how they put food on their tables...how they get new clothes on their young children's backs...hell, maybe James can even get some more reindeer! ;-) Wanting a larger audience to share your music with is no sellout to me, as long as you remain true to yourself. DT's love of creating music can't be denied. I hope that the following transcription doesn't open a new can of worms towards JP. I really appreciate Mike and him getting out there and sharing their wealth of knowledge with other musicians...and their openness and honesty is truly unique in this day and age. I think that it's interesting to understand more where DT is coming from (straight from the horses mouth, so to speak), and I haven't seen this posted yet...so here goes: (JP plays Lines in the Sand along with a DAT of the rest of the band [Go Karaoke John!!] ) JP: Something interesting about that song that I'd like to point out...on parts like the one that goes (plays example, starting at 3:57 on CD) the guitar and keys are playing similar parts, yet each of us are doing something a little different. In order to keep us separated better, we mixed it where you will hear the guitar on the left, and the keys on the right side...so that's something you might hear when you listen to the CD. On this next song...the way we write our arrangements a lot of the time is to name each different part after the band that we stole them from. So we may have a Pink Floyd verse going into a Metallica section...to a Gregg Kihn solo...anything...they can get really obscure sometimes....actually, we don't really rip them off...we change a note or two. (much laughter!) See if you can hear some of these sections I'm talking about in this song. (plays Peruvian Skies) JP: Did you hear some of the parts I was talking about on that one? (everyone nods and says "Yep!") (question about his "clean" and "Heavy/Lead" sound) JP: In the past, I would usually only have one clean sound and then a heavy or lead sound that I would use throughout the album. On this one, I did something different with the guitars. I used a variety of Boogie amps and use many more different sounds. One thing different about the way we recorded this album is that in the past, we would record all of the drums for all of the songs at one time, then all of the guitar, then all of the bass, and so on. On this album, we recorded each song individually, and I didn't use the same guitar setup on any two songs. The amp I'm playing through tonight is a Heartbreaker amp made by Boogie, and I use it on some of the songs on the new album. It was very experimental for me, I got to tailor my sound so that it best suited the songs. Q: Did you use any alternate tunings on FII? JP: No, I didn't, but I did use the 7-string on a few songs, so you'll hear that on there. Q: What was the mindset going into this album since the heavy metal musical climate has changed so drastically in the last few years? JP: One thing we said going in was that we weren't going to chase any trends. We've been together for like 12 years or so...so if we try to do something that doesn't feel like us, it's not going to sound right. That's something that we are not going to do. Also with this type of music, it's kinda funky to take a longer song and edit down and it doesn't really sound like you meant it to sound. ... So, as far as our strategy for the rest of the world is...we are just going to do what we do. We know that the live thing is very important to us...playing live in these different countries. So far as making it in America, unless you are like, you know, Phish, where you have tons of people come camp out at your shows no matter what...I think it's hard to be real commercially successful unless your music is played on the radio. That's the major form of publicity here in America. Like I said before, "How do you do that without chasing trends?". I think, for us, myself in particular...a lot of my influences are Pop artists and Pop bands that have maintained musical integrity...like YES, Peter Gabriel, Sting and guys like this that are very, very musical, but they're writing music that's on the radio. So that's my mentality to Dream Theater in America...and actually always has been. If you listen to all the albums, you'll see there was always something that was trying to go that direction. Q: Did Derek add something different to the band? JP: Yes, absolutely. The sounds and instruments that he uses are more natural like Rhodes, Mellotron, [Hammond] B3, and stuff like that...so it gave a more classic vibe. Q: I heard that John Myung was playing a Chapman Stick on the new album? JP: Yes, John Myung is playing Chapman Stick on this album. He plays it on two songs on the album [Take Away My Pain and New Millennium] and it sounds really cool. (JP describes Chapman Stick - go to www.stick.com for pictures and details) Tony Levin is probably one of the most reknown Stick guys out there and is a big influence to John. In fact, on the next song I'm going to play (TAMP), John is playing the Stick. Q: What do think of the new music that's coming out today. JP: Most of it is very bad...although occasionally a good song or two will get through. Actually, I listen to a lot of radio and there seems to be a lot of heavily vocal oriented stuff in the Pop world. The guitar has kinda taken a back seat a bit. I don't like that. (laughter!) Q: Do you sing? JP: Yes...I'm not going to sing tonight, though. Actually, this is the first album where I'm singing on it...and Mike and Derek are singing as well. We have our own little trio group and we do a lot of the background vocals. (Plays Take Away My Pain) JP: That one's called Take Away My Pain. The thing that's interesting about that whole song...the way it evolved...originally...and this will explain what a producer can do for a band...originally, the song was the same chord structure, melody and lyrics and everything like that, but the style was a lot different. It was kinda more like an acoustic ballad...and it got really big on the chorus and it sounded very circa-198...uh...4 or something like that which wasn't cool. So the producer came in and he said "I really like that song, but I don't know about that style of it." So we tried all these different ways of arranging it and eventually he had the idea, and so did we, of kinda making it more rhythmical, more...almost like African sort of rhythms...like a world beat going on there. So what happened is...Mike layed down this drum loop that he played through the whole thing like you heard the song start off with...and then I layed down a guitar loop that's like this (plays example - 00:08 on CD)...and that's going on throughout the whole song as well...and we just kinda layered it from there....and actually, a lot of the guitar parts were improvised during that song, so when you hear the CD, you'll hear some weird stuff happening that was improvised. On the solo, I plugged into our keyboard player's rig...into Derek's Leslie...so it's kinda funky sounding...and that's the story behind that song. Q: Were you concious of playing more minimalist or bluesy on your solos? JP: I think that it's just what the songs call for. That's how I develop the solos. If something freaky is going on, then I'll play freaky. If something is going on a vibe that's real, like...you know, like that last song, then I'll go with it. I'm not going to do anything to pull away from it. So, I think that it all has to do with where the song's going, and then I'll play accordingly. [End...Part 1...to be continued Sunday] Tom (Hand Cramp) Baddley Living comes much easier once we admit we're dying. -JP ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3033 **************************