YTSEJAM Digest 3010 Today's Topics: 1) Re: binoculars by "Vincent G. LuPone" 2) The Del Fuvio Monks by Nick Bogovich 3) Cheers to Kevin Moore!! by "Vincent G. LuPone" 4) Xanadu, binocs=infinity by Paul Goracke 5) BS stuff gets answered, and partial review with a challenge by Über Cabe 6) FII rocks!!!!! by Jonathan Case 7) Take Away My Pain by thomas andersen 8) Re: DT bootlegs for sale by Albert Balkiewicz 9) Re: FII helps you get dates. :) by email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) 10) Re: binoculars by Albert Balkiewicz 11) Never Pay for Advertising Again. by email_address_removed 12) Re: List by "Trevor Krill" 13) DT and mail filters... by "Jeff" 14) JLB, FII, Möbius by imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg) 15) Mailing lists by David Di Tivoli ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:29:40 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: binoculars Message-ID: >Something different to try; take the cover picture, and hold it >about 5-6 inches from your face. Unfocus your eyes and stare >through it (like you do for those 'Magic Eye' 3-d pictures). >Rotate the cover, and the fellows with the binoculars won't be >looking eye to eye, even though they are still 'parallel' to >each other. Song connection? "Don't look past me." :) Try this. It's cool. Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/6933 | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:30:44 EDT From: Nick Bogovich To: email_address_removed Subject: The Del Fuvio Monks Message-ID: I don't think the Del Fuvio Monks are the ones speaking at the beginning of Burning My Soul - it seems to me that it's just James's voice layered 5 or 6 times. My guess as to where the DFMs are present in the album are in the background vocals in JLMB. If you put on a good pair of headphones, you can hear a very deep voice speaking the lyrics during the prechorus and chorus. Of course, I could just be smoking some good crack. As in terms of production, there are a couple of things that sort of bother me in headphone mode. 1. In Anna Lee, you can hear Derek breathing from time to time in the intro. 2. You can hear a door closing or a similar sound about one second before BMS begins...I don't think that was intended to be there. Otherwise, the album isn't that bad production wise on headphones. New Millennium, Hell's Kitchen, LitS, and JLMB sound excellent with their mixing - especially in NM from 3:35 - 4:02. Alright - I have to run to my Shakespeare class now. We're doing Hamlet and I have to write a paper on it for Monday...I think some PMU is in need. Laters, Bogie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:41:23 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" To: email_address_removed Subject: Cheers to Kevin Moore!! Message-ID: The glam tendencies are gone!!! WOOHOO!! Thanks for leaving, Kev!!! _Vince_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:49:53 -0700 From: Paul Goracke To: email_address_removed Subject: Xanadu, binocs=infinity Message-ID: Jonathan Case wrote: >5) Trial of Tears intro and outro remind me an awful lot of the intro to >"Xanadu", by Rush. My first thought was Marillion's "Warm Wet Circles" but I now sway toward the "Xanadu" conclusion. And the "You Not Me" intro reminds me of Stone Temple Pilot's "Wicked Garden." Mike Jones wrote: >The two circles created by looking through the binoculars on the front >cover could probably be interpreted as infinity, also. I'm sure the >binoculars themselves probably have some other significant meaning, >though. On the 3-song promo I have, the disc print is similar to the FII cover, but the binocular line is the mobius, somewhat similar to the actual FII disc. I think that confirms your observation. pg --------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Goracke | "To do is to be" - Aristotle email_address_removed | "To be is to do" - Plato | "Do be do be do" - Sinatra --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:13:02 -0700 From: Über Cabe To: email_address_removed Subject: BS stuff gets answered, and partial review with a challenge Message-ID: Hi everyone, > From: Seroussi > Subject: stuff... > > From: Über Cabe > > Subject: 'Could' Bizkit Limp? > > > > Okay, maybe I 'could' just a poseur but from this paragraph I get the > > feeling you want people to find oscure web pages about oscure bands. > ..and this is bad because? Well, if you want me to explain, ok. First off I meant to write obscure, but I was eating Taco Bell. And I didn't want to drop any of the fire sauce in the k/b. :) I choose the word obscure on purpose, too. Because, it can be taken two ways(no, I'm not making fun of your other post about the sea & other bs related topics). First, obscure because it's pretty hard to find a web site that covers a bunch of styles(with quality reviews). The jam suits my(and everyone else's) needs for reviews perfectly. Not only do you get people who will give you their opinion. But other people will post their opinions. They also post what album is easiest to get into for a first time listener. ]From this I can get a good idea what an album(or even band) sounds like, and which album to buy & not to buy. The other way to take obscure is, that I don't know how to gauge my tastes to this music "critic's." But on the jam I know (generally) how I compare with the "big mouths." For example, if a known light progressive music listener says, that the new Strapping Young Lad sucks. I know that I can laugh it off, and I'll go blast All Hail The New Flesh! :) Not because I don't like light progressive music(I do like light prog though), but because they're coming from a totally different place than I am(music-wise). After 1600 odd jams I know how to guage my tastes to most of the list. > > And that you don't want people asking the jam. > ..for things they can easily find on the web... Go type 'funky progressive death metal' in a search engine. You'll see what I mean. --- As I type this, there are many unread jams in my mail box. A lot have something to do with DT(in one way or another). So, I want to follow suit. FII is good overall. I haven't heard the whole thing enough to make a good review, yet. But I must say I like JLB's vocals a lot. Whatever he did was perfect. I can't find fault with it. Usually when I pick up a DT album for the first time, I try not to listen to the vocals. But, JLB is the man on this album! No more assholes jokes from me. (at least till my next post ;) There's a part in Peruvian Skies. It's that "hear the way it ends" part. He sounds like (to me, at least) Dave Musteinse...Oh, that guy from Megadeth! :) JLB sounds like he is snarling, but he isn't. I think JLB has made the most improvement on this disc. I think he's really opened up on this disc. Well anyway, I'll point out more of these, when I do a real review of the album, this weekend. Also, I want to say this to all you people who think that sounds/looks/smells/tastes/feels like grunge/alternative/sell-out-ish to point out ONE thing, and back it up with facts. Not so easy, huh? :-P Über Cabe email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:03:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Case To: email_address_removed Subject: FII rocks!!!!! Message-ID: I hope everyone loves reading all these posts as much as I do! All I can say is: at first I was disappointed cause I was expecting to hear something different than I did. Yeah, the time changes are largely void (and as a drummer I LOVE those complex rhythms), but they've introduced some new styles which totally make this album awesome. I've been trying to think of how Portnoy's drums sounds and styles have evolved somewhat. He plays many of the familiar old double bass and fills, but I also strongly detect some Neil Peart (newer Neil style), and yes, Dave Weckl!! I remember some comments we had about how Dave could probably drum Mike under the table. Well, I here some Weckl sounds, especially in Lines in the Sand and Trial of Tears, when Portnoy plays more "latin" type beats. Also, when he plays the china on the downbeats, the rhythms resemble a Weckl style. So, they're incorporating some jazz into their music....Cool! I cannot yet put a finger on who they seem to sound like in their funkier 4/4 songs. It's nothing like old DT, but somewhat reminiscent of HitNF (Queensryche) and especially Extreme's Pornograffitti. But, there's still seom other sounds in it that I cant put a finger on yet..... It's a sizzlin' CD though. After a few listens is when I really started enjoying it..... -Jon Case comments: send to email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 22:00:43 +0200 From: thomas andersen To: ytsejam Subject: Take Away My Pain Message-ID: HI THERE i'v just bought my FII, but haven't even finisht lisining to it yet I just have to exspres my feelings about "Take Away My Pain". I dont know what it is, but theres something about that chorus... maaaan......I just have to sing along with JL, AND I DONT EVEN KNOW THE LYRICS.....!!!!!!!! FII simply just live up to their standard.......!!!!! C YA totte ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:22:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Balkiewicz To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT bootlegs for sale Message-ID: > > > > I have the following Dream Theater CDs that I'm putting up for sale. > > all of Mike Bahr's DT bootlegs (all original, no replicas): ARGH!!!!!!! Where's the E-mail address........I WANT THAT "THE DANCE OF ETERNITY"~!!!!!!! Anyway, sorry to post this to the entire 'Jam, but to the person selling this, please send me E-mail privately concerning the DoE boot and the XMas CD, please.......... -Al -- ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@ I inhale the sun...........I exhale the absence of light I am the number One..........burning. ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ email: email_address_removed email_address_removed HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:50:33 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) To: Subject: Re: FII helps you get dates. :) Message-ID: > radio stations, and I direct her to Mike Bahr's site so she can get hold of > some DT bootlegs, and start to leave -- when she asks me to wait a second, > and asks if I'm doing anything that night! > Now why I ask you. WHY! Why does this never happen to me?!?! No, I don't mean going out with girls that like DT, I mean girls asking me out :)) Jeez Louise, I got 214 messages today. Ged, maybe I should switch back to digest mode. People stop talking so much :) Waiting for FII to get to Panama, Ernesto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:25:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Balkiewicz To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: binoculars Message-ID: > > > >Something different to try; take the cover picture, and hold it > >about 5-6 inches from your face. Unfocus your eyes and stare > >through it (like you do for those 'Magic Eye' 3-d pictures). > >Rotate the cover, and the fellows with the binoculars won't be > >looking eye to eye, even though they are still 'parallel' to > >each other. Song connection? "Don't look past me." :) > > Try this. It's cool. > > HOLY SHIT!!!! The cover IS a magic eye thingy....you do it, and the two guys jump out in 3D!!!!!!!!!!!! WICKED! -Al -- ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@ I inhale the sun...........I exhale the absence of light I am the number One..........burning. ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ email: email_address_removed email_address_removed HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:19:52 -0600 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Never Pay for Advertising Again. Message-ID: Since you are doing business on the 'net, you know that properly targeting your advertising messages can be pretty tough. And banner ads are still way too expensive Instead of paying for "impressions" to a general audience, wouldn't you rather know that you sent your message directly to the appropriate audience? 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Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BCC907.5154D780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First, I absolutely love FII. Different, but great!! Given the volume of messages I am getting, I am really trying to get my = mail filters to work. What does anyone else use to key their mail = filters off of? I'm using IE 4.0 Preview 2. The to field seems ok with = 'Multiple recipients of list', but what if I have other lists that use = the same thing? Any ideas? Mail me personally at = mailto:email_address_removed Thanks, Jeff ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BCC907.5154D780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 First, I absolutely = love=20 FII.  Different, but great!!

Given the volume of = messages I am=20 getting, I am really trying to get my mail filters to work. What does = anyone=20 else use to key their mail filters off of?  I'm using IE 4.0 = Preview=20 2.  The to field seems ok with 'Multiple recipients of list', but = what if I=20 have other lists that use the same thing?  Any ideas?  Mail me = personally at mailto:email_address_removed

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Jeff ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BCC907.5154D780-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:35:45 -0700 (PDT) From: imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg) To: email_address_removed Subject: JLB, FII, Möbius Message-ID: > Well, theyre not 8's they happen to be Möbius loops... >anyway, they are the greek, or some such arcane laguage, symbol for.. >Infinity! Actually, a Möbius loop (strip? continuum?) is not only infinite. It is created by a paper strip. Twist it half a lap, and then attach its two ends to each other. This way you will be able to run a pencil on both sides of the paper without ever crossing the edge of it. Wasn't Möbius a German mathematician? > What's up with James? First of all, somebody should tell the producer > that it helps to have the microphone in the _same_ room as the performer. > Some songs sound like he's being recorded through a wall or something. Couldn't agree more! James is mixed way too low almost throughout the entire album, and it does sound as if he's holding back on some songs. And the worst thing about it is that it probably isn't even his fault. Also, I don't think the vocal melodies have the same high standards they used to, which was one of the reasons DT became my favorite band. And I really miss the great atmosphere that was on Awake. No, I wasn't expecting Awake II (but you can always dream, right?) And don't give me that crap about "well, you know, they are a progressive band so they have to progress". Progressive is a musical style which doesn't really have much to do with how a certain band is evolving. And if they evolve into something more mainstream, this can hardly be called progressive, can it? Still, though I'm slightly let down by FII, it is still the best album to hit the market in a long time, and after a few months of listening to it - who knows? Maybe it will even top Awake. Ooops, sorry. Guess I got a little carried away there :-) Oh, one more thing: does putting New Millennium on this album mean that we'll have to wait until the new millennium for the next album? I hold you here, root and all, in my hand, Little flower - but if I could understand What you are, root and all, and all in all, I should know what God and man is. -Alfred Lord Tennyson "Flower in the Crannied Wall" Niklas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:45:28 +0200 From: David Di Tivoli To: email_address_removed Subject: Mailing lists Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970924214528.008c5ac0@pronet.it> Does anyone know where can I take a list of Mailing lists.I mean for mailing lists about music,and also about bands.If exists a site....or a FAQ file. +--------------------------------------------------+ | David Di Tivoli | | "DREAM" Undernet:#italia | | E-mail:dream@pronet.it | | UIN #2549487 | |www.pegacity.it/abita/374/index.htm | |-----------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3010 **************************