YTSEJAM Digest 3000 Today's Topics: 1) ACOS Project update by Brandon Vaughn 2) Kevin Shirley by Steve Zebrowski 3) The Boston Theater Thunder Chunder Fest. by "Jeremy C. Hallum" 4) RUSH opinions.... by JB 5) stuff by Conrad Chi 6) grrrrr.... by Eric Desobe 7) Whatever by "Christopher R. Merlo" 8) Wa hoo....got mine too! by email_address_removed 9) enchant by "Flavio Maia" 10) FII...why everyone that talked badly about it was wrong.... by email_address_removed 11) FII @ record shop by JB 12) Re: stuff by Damon Fibraio 13) FII by "The Artist Formerly Known As woot" 14) Stuff... by Shai Yallin 15) Yeah!!! Who-hoo!!! Joy! by Shai Yallin 16) DT evolution by "Tedesco, Matthew" 17) YNM by "The Artist Formerly Known As woot" 18) A New Millenium by Pat Sullivan 19) What is production??? by Rogerio Brito ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:53:05 -0700 From: Brandon Vaughn To: email_address_removed Subject: ACOS Project update Message-ID: Just to let everyone know...today was supposed to be the last day to check the transcription. Several of you have sent me some corrections, but it will be a couple of days before I can look over them...so if anybody else wants to check this, let me know. There are still a few days left. After I have looked over the suggested corrections and made decisions, I will print up a nice copy and send it to Petrucci. Hopefully he will give us the thumbs up and correct any errors. I will probably post the address for all to get hold of the TAB about 2 weeks after I send it to Petrucci. (Man, all I keep hearing in my head are Spock's Beard songs. I hope my wife was able to pick up the new DT so I can start concentrating on something else!) \\||// ~~..'~ ( \ ) Brandon Vaughn \ c/ __\/__ "The Mad Tabber" / \ _< . _ \ email_address_removed \ `\ \ -' / \ \ ,,,_ >|""O[|||||nn[:::< email_address_removed /_,--- ._\ '''''~ ~ | | | | | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:16:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski To: email_address_removed Subject: Kevin Shirley Message-ID: Whoever was asking if we could lynch him... I say let's get the torches. I'd like this CD a whole bunch more if it weren't for the crappy production. And, before you ask, YES, I COULD do better! I like the CD, though. Steve Z ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:19:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" To: "Yzerjam: the Mailing list for DT/Red Wing Fans Worldwide" Subject: The Boston Theater Thunder Chunder Fest. Message-ID: This isn't about the BTTCF, which I hear was a resounding success from the participants. I just thought I'd share with the group that of the 90 CD's that the Boston Tower Records recieved last night, there were none remaining at the end of the evening. It is not known if there was a riot ensuing or not. It appears that Bostons very own Channel 5 was there to film the impending riot (well, ok, they were there to cash in on Diana mania). Now if we could only get Tower to play DT instead of that moody old Elton John tune. -jeremy +=====================================================================+ # grad student, Boston U. # "You've seen our Moon, # # Boston, MA 02134 # Now see our Johnson!" # # Astronomy # -seen on T-shirts all over Vikingland # #<*> Jeremy Hallum <*># referring to QBs W. Moon and B. Johnson # #<*> email_address_removed <*># Bleeding Purple since the tender age of 6.# #<*>email_address_removed <*># http://bu-ast.bu.edu/~jhallum/ # +=====================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:26:19 -0400 From: JB To: email_address_removed Subject: RUSH opinions.... Message-ID: hey, a while back someone was asking about Rush albums.... I watched and waited, and saw a few of my favs (hold your fire, chonicles), but I have yet to see Roll the bones. I don't know, that's just one of my favs... anyone else like it, or am I alone in my rush tastes here? Jason ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:30:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Conrad Chi To: email_address_removed Subject: stuff Message-ID: I have waited three years for this album. I am a little dissapointed. There are too many alterna-jazzy riffs. I prefer the metal riffs. The songs don't allow Labrie to soar to those high notes. Well, I am sure it will get better. I saw SAVATAGE's 'Hall of the Mountain King' video on MuchMusic a few weeks ago. I was very happy to say the least. I have been gone for a while but what is with the delay with the album?! Also, what is the word with the FATES video. lauters Conrad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:35:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Desobe To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: grrrrr.... Message-ID: For some reason I just can't stop growling at the beginning of Burning My Soul, the song is hysterical. Mike's lyrics are so horrible I can dig them. Anyway, this cd is perhaps the "grooviest" thing to come out in awhile. Still, a moment of silence for Kevin Moore on this day as we all wonder what the hell he is doing. Take the time. -Eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:37:24 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: Whatever Message-ID: I really have nothing to say. I just wanted to see my name in Ytsejam 3000, since I missed 2112. Oh, yeah, FII kicks ass. Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that digest 3000 came out the day the album did? Coincidence? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:41:57 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Wa hoo....got mine too! Message-ID: Cliff Totten 09/23/97 03:41 PM I've been waiting (and fighting) for this for a couple of years now. Now that it's out, I feel kinda empty. I gotta find something new look forward too (and fight for). Hey, I know,..... I'm gonna start campaigning for the NEXT Dream Theater disk!!!!! I already can't wait for it!!!!! I have only had FII for a couple of hours and it's still over my head but I can tell that this might be my favorite DT disk to date. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:05:28 -0300 From: "Flavio Maia" To: Subject: enchant Message-ID: i was looking for some new bands last year and found a band called enchant...i heard some sound samples from the blueprint of the world and thought...i must have this cd...so, i bought it and .....it's was amazing...them, i waited for the new album, called wounded and blought it...i bought the lost time too...the lost time album is far superior than the wounded...and it isn't an 'album"!!!!!where are the "heavy"songs in woundes, like at deaths door, and oasis?the voice of ted leonard seems to be of a teenager on that album...where are the superb perfomance of paul cradick?i must admit...the bass sound is better than blueprint...the album (wounded)is very good, but worst(very, very, very worst) than blueprint's...and what about time lost...it's really good...i thought that it must been the principal album and wounded an ep, or somewhat......What do you think...by the way...i saw dt in brasil last week!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:46:43 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: FII...why everyone that talked badly about it was wrong.... Message-ID: Bottom line...FII is great! Damn good stuff! Yeah it's different and all, but did you honestly expect a Awake II?! =] I think it's well done and I'm just gald to have new DT in my hand and it not being a bootleg! (No offense Mike ;) It is different, and it screams Derick's influence...you can tell that Kevin Moore is longer in the band, you know what I mean? Anyway, I think that everyone who doesn't get it now WILL appreciate it as much as the rest after a while of listening to it. That is what happened when I got Awake..but now it is just a great album! To those who "hate it" and don't get it, I ask you to give it time and more of a chance...look what happened to the listeners of ApSoG. People were thrown off by the new work of Fates Warning, but after a while learned how great the album really was. Well, that's my humble opinion, I hope it helps someone out there. Take care, Jeff E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:49:50 -0400 From: JB To: email_address_removed Subject: FII @ record shop Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970923154950.007c15b0@192.168.255.1> I went to the midnight CD release sale at a local vendor last night. Within 5 minutes ALL 25 CD's were gone! And many of my friends here at tech didn't get a copy... wow, there are more than I thought here! :) I called the store about 10pm and asked if they had any of the new DT going to be included in that midnight sale, and the guy said "yeah, we got about 25 in... you may want to reserve one, about 17 or so have already been reserved... " Anyway, when I got there, I perused the used cd's (as the line was already long -- content in the fact that I had one reserved)... Less than 5 minutes after midnight, the guys working the checkout yell out "If you're here for the new Dream Theater, we're all sold out unless you have it reserved... We'll be getting alot in tomorrow, but don't bother standing in line if you haven't reserved a copy..." At which point an audible moan was heard, and quite a few people left.... I was shocked... I also talked with some of them, who said they had stayed up to listen to my show, and thanked me for playing FII tribute show the week before... cool. Now to get them on the jam.... :) Jason ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:46:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio To: Conrad Chi Subject: Re: stuff Message-ID: I had to respond to this. I don't have FII yet, but that's because I can't get toa music store. What is it with people that if DT isn't heavy enough, the album sucks. Or am I misinterpretting the posts? I didn't get into DT because of their heavy metal influences. I got into them simply because of their progressive influences. And the fact that Kevin More was and still is a madman on keys. DT is not simply a metal band and if they want to explore jazz or heaven help us, some aspects of alternative music, then what is so bad about that? They won't become Nirvana, folks. I don't think we have to worry about them selling out. But the whole nature of being a prog rock band is not repeating WDADu, IW or Awake or even ACOS. Progressive music is not simply odd time sigs and 55mph soloing. It is about experimenting. The metal aspect of DT is just on face. If all you want is for DT to come out with guns ablazing, then maybe you should reconsider the music you listen to. If DT was strictly metal, I wouldn't like them. I am not a metal fan. I respect metal, but I don't own any metalika albums or anything. Is that blasphemy? Maybe. Does it deserve a flame? If you feel lucky. I must warn you, many have flamed, many have died. But this narrowminded metal-only attitude I see from some people on this list tends to annoy me slightly. I am not saying that the whole list is this way, but if I wanted metal, I'd buy it. I want the proggy elements of DT and from what I hear, they are there. There is metal aspects, too, if there weren't it wouldn't be DT. But let the guys experiment a little. Reach Damon Fibraio at email_address_removed keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality Deviant of Reality All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars. Neil Peart of Rush ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:49:39 -0600 From: "The Artist Formerly Known As woot" To: Subject: FII Message-ID: Well I just bought the CD and the tape and I have a few observations: The "giant erection" is in fact the third guy in the triangle as shown on the tape cover. However, on the tape cover, the guy with the tan vest is wearing a different color undershirt, so perhaps there are 4 guys on the platforms and it's a square type thing with the 1st person point of view coming from 2 seperate ppl that are outside of the square. Also, the distant white thing (ship?) that is present on the CD is not there on the tape which suggests that it is taken from a different angle. The tape cover's majesty symbol is quite a bit bigger than the CD's too. The CD still features the oldstyle gray behind the CD, which is kinda lame, but I guess I'll forgive them for that. The lyrics aren't there on the tape version either but it's not like anybody would only buy the tape of something anymore anyway. I'm really starting to think that FII is their best album to date. MP's high-hat rides throughout the album are incredible, particularly on LitS and TAMP. JP is incredible throughout and his jazz/blues licks combined with his typical beautiful melodies and shredding are amazing. Derek is very good and deserves more credit than he's gotten. He has his fair share of solos, and Anna Lee is one of the prettier and more emotional songs DT has done. Also remember what MP said concerning DS's tone: "You'll swear some of this is guitar." JM finally stands out in the mix and he handles the opportunity very well. JLMB's lyrics are very very very cool, despite the Hoon/Cobain reference. Ok that's way too long already. It rolls down stairs It comes not in pairs Runs over your neighbor's foot. It's great for a snack And fits on your back It's woot! woot! woot! woot™ from Blammo!® ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:04:06 +0200 From: Shai Yallin To: email_address_removed Subject: Stuff... Message-ID: Hi. Although this message is shown right after my previous one, it's being written a 1.5 hours after it, so i've listened to FII twice.... Well: First of all, Derek is a hell of a keyboardist... I'll even say he's better than moore at some points; Derek can rock big time, and yet he's very good at proggish playing (synth lead sounds) and jazzy sound. And he's a great pianist.... BTW: The Portnoy picture looks like a picture of a jew like nazi describe us: Long nose and a beard... is he jew? i think i've heard somewhere he is.... -- Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM "I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit." - Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction "It's log, it's log, it's better than bad - it's good!" - The Ren & Stimpy show Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:57:42 +0200 From: Shai Yallin To: email_address_removed Subject: Yeah!!! Who-hoo!!! Joy! Message-ID: Got the f^&$%^ album!!! Yeah! Well, it's NOT like Awake nor I&W, and most of the songs are not very prog, but I think I'm gonna like it!!!! Review in a couple of months..... NP: Dream Theater: Falling Into Infinity -- Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM "I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit." - Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction "It's log, it's log, it's better than bad - it's good!" - The Ren & Stimpy show Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:02:00 -0400 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" To: ytsejam Subject: DT evolution Message-ID: Hello all, I've been given a good deal of thought to much of the recent discussion on the 'jam pertaining to why FII rules/sucks. Specifically, I'm interested with how people perceive the term "progressive," and how it relates to the rhythm of a song, band, album, etc. There's been a lot of arguing about whether Dream Theater has become less progressive, but given the subjectivity of the notion of progress, I seriously doubt that any amount of arguing will affect people's concept of "progressive." Inherently, I think people will disagree about whether there is progress in some amount of perceived (because this too is debateable) simplification. I believe that the entire argument has been ill-founded from the start. Whether or not FII is progressive relative to DT's other albums is, like I said before, subjective; I think it can be agreed, though, that each album has gotten more rhythm oriented. A few people picked up on how JM stands out more than ever before, how the bass seems more integral than ever before. There's a connection here, and a tension that I've wondered about for years, since a band I was in a few years back. We set out to be progressive--how naive we were--but always found ourselves frustrated, writing stuff that inevitably evolved towards the more rhythmic. We also, though, were setting out to be "heavy." Think about, then, how those three concepts--progressiveness, rhythm-oriented, and heavy--relate to one another. Largely, I think, the more rhythm-oriented a band gets, the heavier they are. A song like Light Fuse and Get Away has lots of changes in it, is less rhthm-oriented than a song like Lie, and probably is less "heavy." That's not necessarily good or bad, I don't think, but it does describe a larger trend about DT. Consider whether Caught in a Web would fit well on I&W, or whether You not Me would fit on Awake. Obviously, just like "progressive," "heavy" could be debated 'til we're all blue in the face, but as far as the rhythms go, they are more straight-ahead. Dream Theater is moving in that direction. There's obviously lots of room for debate here. Another example, I think, is Metallica's Justice and Black albums. There's much more rhythm in songs like Sad But True and The God That Failed than in, say, Justice or Frayed Ends of Sanity. Consequently, there's a bass/ rhythm section presence in Black that's vastly different than Justice. Similarly, some are disappointed with the lack of keys in FII, but it's a natural result of a movement towards rhythm-orientation. I play bass, and I always felt that on I&W, the bass is more or less the forgotten instrument, because there's not much room for it with the parts that JP and KM were playing. Some might argue that it was Prater's production, and to some extent that is true, but no amount of re-mixing would have made those particular basslines in those specific songs stand out. The shift has been gradual and steady, and I wonder that it may have contributed to Kevin's departure, but that's another discussion entirely. NOw that the bass plays such a large role, I simply don't think there's room for key parts that fans of I&W might hope for. Sorry that this has been so long, but I do think this is a worthwhile discussion, and certainly one with far more potential than recent postings concerning the progressiveness (or lack thereof) of FII. It is the band's evolution along these lines, I think, that determine most people's reaction to the new material. Yet Another Matt email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:09:27 -0600 From: "The Artist Formerly Known As woot" To: Subject: YNM Message-ID: >YNM - Does anyone know how to scratch a song off of a CD? Horrid >production - thin and too dry. Portnoy's wild drumming is the major >saving grace. I agree with this. YNM isn't that bad a song, but the production on just this one song is a very noticable step down from all the other songs on the album. Probably just cause bad production sells and they wanted this song to be the fan getter. It rolls down stairs It comes not in pairs Runs over your neighbor's foot. It's great for a snack And fits on your back It's woot! woot! woot! woot™ from Blammo!® ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:13:41 -0400 From: Pat Sullivan To: email_address_removed Subject: A New Millenium Message-ID: Happy 'Jam #3000 - A New Millenium of Ytsejams!!! (and a damn good tune, as well). I figure this post will be a good break from all the reviews. ____http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator Now Playing: Nothing - Work sucks. :) _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:25:42 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: What is production??? Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, Steve Zebrowski wrote: > Whoever was asking if we could lynch him... > > I say let's get the torches. I'd like this CD a whole bunch more if it > weren't for the crappy production. And, before you ask, YES, I COULD do > better! Now this is a thing that isn't very popular here in Brazil. People often doesn't care for who was the producer of some album. What exactly do you mean when you mean production? I only think of one thing when I see/hear the word production: mix of the instruments. Are there any other (technical) meanings to this word?? > Steve Z Thank you very much for sharing your knowlege, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3000 **************************