YTSEJAM Digest 2982 Today's Topics: 1) Talking to the guys backstage by "Cassiano P. Barbosa" 2) Re: Rudis/Morganstein CD review by Jay Omega 3) DT turned down Rudess? by George Bast 4) woohooo!!! by yzzy 5) Where are you now/Anna lee by JB 6) lyrics by JB 7) The Gathering, etc. by Jason Nixon 8) TLF by JB 9) Re: CD burner question by Geoff Stephens 10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2980 by Chris Groves 11) Re: The Gathering, etc. by Mike Jones 12) * Empty Tremor by Didier Goidin 13) Re: ENCHANT + JlB + SEVEN WONDERS + ??? by Jan Ziese ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:43:59 -0300 From: "Cassiano P. Barbosa" To: email_address_removed Subject: Talking to the guys backstage Message-ID: Hi, all! Well, as Rogerio told you, we had the pleasure to meet some guys in DT, after the ground-breaking , Friday night show. Our intent was (aside from meeting, chatting and taking pictures with them ;)) to pass some information and messages to you people on the list that are waiting for the new album. Of course, we were a little bit disappointed with JLB, but, anyway, it was just a moment. Here is my experience that I want to share with you: The first person we met was Derek. He was really cool, taking pictures and showing his shoes to everyone. :) He told us his favorite new song is "Lines In The Sand". "-Because I wrote the intro!" (laughs) The next person that showed up was John Myung. He was also really nice to all. It was amazing to meet one of my bass idols... I remember one jammer saying that gave him a hug when meeting him, so I finally got to do the same.:)) I asked JM could please give a message to everyone that signed the petition and were helping DT to get more radio airplay. He said: "-I'd like to thank them all for their patience and support... We've really touched upon something special here with this record and it's gonna be out real soon. Thanks for hanging in there with us." Favorite JM new songs: "New Millenium" and "Trial of Tears". He didn't had to think too much to answer this one. It's not that hard to guess why, isn't it? (chapman stick, his lyrics, maybe?) JP also was really nice. About their visit in Brazil, he said: "-We had a great time in Brazil. Awesome." I asked him if he expected so much attention from so many people and he said: "-No... I think this is one of the best places we've ever played. We never knew this was even a market for us, so now we'll come back here all the time." 02Great!! John P. doesn't have a favorite FII song. He said that each one touches him in a different way, so he preferred not to choose a single one. Well, the only time I got to speak to MP was in the autograph session, and as I already said, he told me to say "hello" to all of you. :) Richie wrote: >P.S. To DT: please Take Away My Pain and release this as a b-side!!! Don't >make me come after you :) So I say: go after them! :) Look what happened when I asked John Petrucci if they were going to release WAYN as a b-side: He said: - No... Me: - Oh, c'mon John, it's one of my favorite new songs! But then: - No, no, sorry... - I love that guitar solo!! (I start singing it) - (laughs) Well, maybe in the future... So, how 'bout a petition?? :) Later! Cassiano ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 23:09:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Jay Omega To: Just Words Subject: Re: Rudis/Morganstein CD review Message-ID: Damon didst say unto the masses: > I just have to > wonder though: are there any other keyboard-based prog rock bands besides > Rudis/Morganstein, ELP, and Magellan? I am completely hooked on keyboard > oriented music that is progressive. Somebody point me to more of this stuff. Here we go... One word: "Mastermind". The only band I think of as 'keyboard metal.' "Cairo" on Magna Carta is sort of a heavy ELP. Lots of longish songs; most of which could be shorter, however. If you can find it, the British band "Shadowland" is awesome; it has Clive Nolan on keys. Be careful; there's an American Gin-Blossoms-wannabe named Shadowland, too. Get the album 'Ring of Roses.' Clive is also keys for "IQ", "Pendragon", and "Arena", but they aren't keyboard-driven the way Shadowland is. However, they're at least as key-ish as Magellan, so you might like 'em all anyway. Since you seem to be more for 'progressive' than 'metal', I'll recommend National Health; they're a Canterbury-style group from the 70's. Again, only keyboard-based, not all-keys like ELP. Don't start with 'Missing Pieces' though; that's an album of out-takes and strange unreleased stuff. The two disc 'Complete' is all three of their studio albums together. If you like soft, minimalist stuff, try "Porcupine Tree". If NH isn't trippy enough for you, try the "Ozric Tentacles". If it's still to weak, go all out and try "Birdsongs of the Mesozoic". If you know of the Progressive Megastore, and could get any one of these bands, I'd say get "Shadowland". Not the progressive-est of the bunch, but my personal fave. --Jay "is now in the mood for lots of keys, too" Omega --NP: Birdsongs of the Mesozoic - Pyroclastics ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 00:18:35 -0400 From: George Bast To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: DT turned down Rudess? Message-ID: >unbelieveable. I was listening to the CD and wonder why DT passed on >Jordan as keyboardist, he can play faster than any musician I ever heard. >I would say he's the Steve Vai of the keyboard. I would love to see Hey, I always thought that Rudess turned down DT in order to tour with the Dixie Dregs. Not that it has any real importance right now. :) Please correct me if I'm wrong. Anyways, I will agree that Rudess-Morgenstein are very talented, but after seeing them live as opening acts on 3 separate occasions (twice for DT, once last week for Marillion), I can say that they definitely don't thrill me enough in their songwriting to buy their album. I guess my prog has to have SOME vocals. BTW, if you have the chance to see ELP in concert, go just to be blown away by the wizardry of Keith Emerson. Wow!! -george email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 23:42:33 -0500 From: yzzy To: email_address_removed Subject: woohooo!!! Message-ID: i picked up my ordered copy of Shadow Gallery's "Carved In Stone" during my lunch break today. i told the guys in Music Warehouse to go ahead and play a few tracks while i shopped since they hadn't heard of Shadow Gallery before. we were all impressed (to say the least ;-) SG rocks! thanx to you jammers for posting the reviews for this cd. what a turn on! while i was shopping, they called me over and handed me a cd in appreciation of my business. they_gave_me the demo for "Falling Into Infinity" *faint* i wud have taken it to local radio station, but, they've already been playing it. *grin* so i've been playing it in the store where i work so that people will stop and ask, "Who is that?" kewl! then i get home late from work and WOW! the "Seven Wonders" cd arrived in the mail today. my hat's off to ya, Ryan. you're the man! your cd project has definately exceeded all expectations. if'n ya'll haven't gotten a copy yet, do. yzzy //Iz*zee//E*zee//E*ziz*ee//Y*z*z*y//Izzzzz heh... i'm sure that Mike wud agree. *chuckle* cos i'll havta order some of his cd's now. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:13:22 -0400 From: JB To: email_address_removed Subject: Where are you now/Anna lee Message-ID: >For those that have heard both songs, which would have rather seen on >album? Personally, Where Are You Now fits better than Anna Lee, although >both are catchy. AL sounds too much like the beatles and James voice is >worth having Where Are You Know on the album. Take the time. > >-Eric definitely "Where are you now"... would they have been able to fit it though? "Anna Lee" is about 5:40 whereas "Where are you Now" is almost 9 minutes when you throw in the intro (not heard on that .ra file unfortunately)... what's the new time limit on cd's nowadays?..... Anyway, "Where are you Now" *IS* one of the better unheard (or heard) DT songs IMO.... ------ >> From: Brandon Vaughn >> Subject: Fave new bands / four letter words (little DTC) >> >> Our own favorite band DT introduces their first on the new album, >> using the word "shit." Please understand me. . . I'm not on some religious >> or moral crusade, but I just hate for them to do this. [...] >> I just think they could have come up with more interesting lyrics. > >so lyrics become boring and not interesting if a word that you >categorize as "bad" or "vulgar" is used? no matter what context it used >in? and is it also bad to use words that are used in daily conversation? >I bet they use the words "the" and "and" in daily conversation too...it >is so boring that they put them into the poetry, just to attract your >attention...you should go listen to obituary or something if you've a >problem with lyrics... I must agree with brandon here... when a band uses vulgarities.. it comes off more as 'street talk' and you don't focus too much on lyrics anymore... you just nod your head and say "fuck yeah"... whereas when they have interesting things to say, it focuses you more on the lyrics, and trying to find what they mean to you... "Find all you fucking need in your fucking mind, when you take the fucking time" really doesn't sound as eloquent, intuitive, and interesting as "find all you need in your mind, when you take the time"... Occasionally there's a good usage, but rarely (I can think of 2 or 3). Dream Theater is *not* rage music (one such appropriate usage context)... Overall though, It usually makes one tune out rather than in... (rap being the exception)... I'm talking about *good* *music* here... (uh-oh... send in the flames) :) Jason ---------------------------+++--------------------------------- notes from the desk of Virginia Tech Jason Brindel Computer EngIneering (540) 961-7262 & VT a cappella email_address_removed (JUXTAPOSITION) www.vt.edu:10021/B/beamup www.vt.edu:10021/org/juxtap FM 90.7 WUVT DJ (Tuesday mornings : 2-4am -- "The Dream Vault") ---------------------------+++---------------------------------- New Dream Theater CD, "Falling Into Infinity" releases Sept. 23!!!!! ---------------------------+++---------------------------------- "You took away my hero, will you take away my pain? Take away my pain, let the cold inside, it's time to let it rain .... .... I'm learning to survive, without you in my life, till you come knocking at my door." -Take away my Pain (Dream Theater) ---------------------------+++---------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:17:58 -0400 From: JB To: email_address_removed Subject: lyrics Message-ID: >Or the best yet, have them make a 50 minute song about social chaos with >nothing but "vulgar" words. I can see it now. Dream Theater's new album: >Social Chaos -- I. Fuck II. Shit III. Asshole IV. Damn (this is the >ballad) V. Hell (this is the uptempo number) VI. Potpourri (all the other >"good" words thrown into a 10-minute slam-your-face-to-the-ground grove >with James' first rap). *laughing*... and of course the bonus track... James LaBrie doing the George Carlin act on the "Seven words you can't say on".... a dream theater album... :) Jason ---------------------------+++--------------------------------- notes from the desk of Virginia Tech Jason Brindel Computer EngIneering (540) 961-7262 & VT a cappella email_address_removed (JUXTAPOSITION) www.vt.edu:10021/B/beamup www.vt.edu:10021/org/juxtap ---------------------------+++---------------------------------- *CD currently playing - "JUXTAPOSITION - Assume the Position"* -=plug-=plug=- email me if you want one!! -=plug-=plug=- ALBUM #2 Is currently In production! ---------------------------+++---------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:20:05 -0400 From: Jason Nixon To: email_address_removed Subject: The Gathering, etc. Message-ID: > Could someone describe me (personally if you think it is > necessary, but maybe other 'jammers would also like to know) how does "The > Gathering" sound?? I got interested since I've heard some comments such as > "revolutionary, astounding etc". Roger, The Gathering is just amazing man. They are from Holland and they play some of the most beautiful music there is. They have a female vocalist named Annekke Von Geirsbergen and she has THE best female voice I have ever heard, just outdoing Sarah McLachlan and Tori Amos... It is totally sung in the style of Sarah McLachlan though. The music is heavy at times, but not death heavy, jsut distorted chords and awesome keyboards, real progressive feeling... but not real technical at all... just real majestic and totally emotional. The music is also light and airy, real atmospheric and mood setting. The best word to describe really would be "beautiful". The band consists of the aforementioned vocalist, two great guitarists, an ever present keyboardist that jsut accents the music perfectly and his solos are so cool, but again not very technical just so well written and so "perfect", a bass player that writes some very cool fills and extremely original bass parts... he is very present too!, and a great drummer... again I will emphasize that nothing they do is real TECHNICAL like DT, ANgra,or a lot of otther bands mentioned on this list, but extremely creative and ingenious... amazing songwriters... you never get sick of it! Of course all this I am mentioning is since their "Mandylion"(1995) album when they got the new female vocalist. Before then they had two albums called "Always"(1991) and "Almost a Dance"(1993). On "ALways" the vocals were kinda cookie monster and the music was VERY cool. That album puts you like in a very folk-loreish mood... you can really tell these guys are into Dungeons and Dragons and Magic:The Gathering and stuff... although they got their name from the movie "Highlander". One of the guitarists plays a flute on a few of the songs and some on a very cool song, "Always..." (the song off the album). It is only a 2 and a half minute piece but man is it emotional. All keyboards and just phenomenal. This album is also more technical, a lot more, and heavier. more and different keyboard sounds too. Not a good one to start out with though. "Mandylion" is by far the first and best to get. It is the band at their peak IMO. One of my favorite albums of all time by any band. Every jammer should at least sample this or get a recording of this album to hear it if they don't want to buy it. "Almost a Dance" no one really likes too much, but it has its moments. It is real guitar oriented but the song structure isn't all that great and the singer is real bad (they got a new singer after "Always"). He sounds like Mike Patton of FNM, but real whiny, like "The Real THing" era Patton, but worse (not dissing Patton, he is amazing). Recently, The Gathering released a new album (August 12) called "Nighttime Birds", and it seriously competes with FII to be my fave of the year. And if you don't believe me then jsut go and listen to the full album for yourself. It is so good, every damn song... they have not sold out ONE bit. THey have changed a little, but not even in a commercial way. THat is what is so cool about bands like them, they are on smaller labels and don't get too much pressure. Others, like Opeth, Iced Earth, Strapping YL, Moonspell, etc. continue to make shit they love and their fans love. well, whatever I won't even get into a stupid label argument of "selling out" and shit so jsut disregard what I said... ANyhoo, that is basically everything you should know about "the gathering". If you want to know more you can go to http://huizen.dds.nl/~gatherin. That is the homepage. Oh, and BTW, The drummer of THe gathering, Hans Rutten, actually stops in the chat room frequently on the web page. It is java applet chat. He is a current student and computer science major and is really cool. In fact the whole band is going to school right now majoring in all the smart things, cant think now... oh well, sorry for all the NDTC... couldnt help it... I love The Gathering too! :) Jason (aka nixonburg) PS... are there any chicago area jammers that listen to REBEL RADIO?? cuz if there are I am the NIXONBURG person that used to get mentioned every once in while... If fact, JOEY DeMAIO of MANOWAR dissed me on the air and said that he and the DJ(Scott Davidson) should tie me to a chair and fuck my girlfriend in front of me... hehe, Manowar is such a joke... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:30:53 -0400 From: JB To: email_address_removed Subject: TLF Message-ID: >> A question I have that I have been meaning to ask for a while >> now, I don't know if it has been asnswered before, so here goes. Am I >> right in saying that TLF was recorded during the I & W album sessions ? >> Since I got the 'Lie' CD single it has bugged my why the song wasn't >> included on I & W, I think it would fit perfectly in between 'Metropolis' >> and 'Under A Glass Moon', wadda you guys think ? > > Well, since I have James LaBrie audition Demo singing this song >along with "Take the Time" and "Learning to Live", I think that it was .written before the "Images and Words" sessions, but only recorded on ."Awake" sessions. For some reason, in the back of my mind... I seem to remember Dominici doing TLF at a concert once.... am I out of my mind or does someone else out there remember a time when Charley did it? (Actually as I remember I was most impressed with his version of it)... didn't care too much for most charley things, but there were a few, and if TLF was done a few times with him at the helm (as I seem to recall) that was one of 'em... Charley would have still been better than Chris Crinton, John Achambault, Steve Stone, or any of the numerous other fill-ins between Dominici and LaBrie.... Charley I can tolerate (James I love), but when you listen to any of the others, you just cringe, and think.... whaaa??? Why did DT give these guys a shot with them on stage?.... Just my opinion... but as I said before, sometimes it's scary what the "Second Best" is.... 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The best deals right now are the >Yamaha and Teac 4x writers, both of which can be had for $600-700. > >- Mike Bahr - email_address_removed - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:36:51 +1000 From: Chris Groves To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2980 Message-ID: >I doubt very much if Sep 27th is the date for an aussie release of FII, why >? >It's a Saturday, how many new albums get released on that day ? >Answer ? None >Brash's are one of those chain stores that I despise greatly and they >wouldn't know if their ass's were on fire, they don't know shit about any >music cept top forty crap, take it with a grain of salt, anything that you >heard from them mate ! >Utopia Records in Sydney have told me that they will have the US import on >sale on the 23rd, with all things being well and good. Well, I've since received two more dates from them: the 22nd, and the 28th! (A sunday). They insist it will be a local release, which I have heard no mention of anywhere else, although the release sheets fro the week of the 22nd won't come out until about next Wednesday. My best bet is Brashs are indeed full of shit, but hey, maybe for once they're right? I doubt it. I've got a copy waiting for me at a local store who is simply doing an express import from the USA. :-) Seeya! Chris Groves. email_address_removed.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:23:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Jones To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: The Gathering, etc. Message-ID: Aye. I listen to Rebel every so often. I'm kinda guilty of not really paying attention to the DJ's all the time, though, and their advertisements are too damn long...hence quite often causing me to flip in a tape or something. How often do you like cruising around the city in your car with advertisements blaring out your window ;). I haven't listened in the last week or so. Are they playing any DT yet? (Do they even have any new DT yet?). I've called them and emailed them asking for it. On the same token as a few others: Current tape in car deck (that gets thrown in during those rebel commercials) - Crimson Glory, Transcendence. (one kick-ass album, IMHO) -- Mike Jones, email_address_removed Web Design: email_address_removed _______________________________________________________________________ Progressive Genius The Progressive Metal Web Ring http://www.progmetal.org/ring Progressive Metal At Its Best! On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Jason Nixon wrote: > PS... are there any chicago area jammers that listen to REBEL RADIO?? > cuz if there are I am the NIXONBURG person that used to get mentioned > every once in while... If fact, JOEY DeMAIO of MANOWAR dissed me on the > air and said that he and the DJ(Scott Davidson) should tie me to a chair > and fuck my girlfriend in front of me... hehe, Manowar is such a joke... > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 10:04:30 +0200 (MET DST) From: Didier Goidin To: email_address_removed Subject: * Empty Tremor Message-ID: As David, I've also listen to EMPTY TREMOR, I don't know if Apocolokyntosys is their first album but it's really good. If US (and others !) Ystejammers want discover some good european bands just listen to EMPTY TREMOR. Of course, the new VANDEN PLAS album is ...... *WOUAOUAHH*. But for this one, it seems that for the moment there is only a french release of this album ... "The God Thing" is out in france for now nearly 15 days, and what we can say is that is a real good success ! About others europeans bands, there are many in ITALY, David just a while about Rhapsody, Time Machine, Last Warning and so on ... See You didier ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 97 11:21:18 +0200 From: Jan Ziese To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: ENCHANT + JlB + SEVEN WONDERS + ??? Message-ID: At 14:28 17.09.97 -0700, Eric Herrmann wrote: >Another thing, I was the first who talked to JlB attitude. I don't >want to start a fight between the Jammers but I just want to say that >Jlb said cleary that he wants DT to become the new Pink Floyd. >So look at the cover, listen to some music in FII, he is right. But I >like Pink floyd, and I LOVE DT because it 's not Pink Floyd, It's >completely different of all bands in the world. >If I want to listen to something close to PF (pink floyd), I just >listen PF! Couldn't agree more. I don't like Pink Floyd too much, but I love Rush which was also discussed in that context. I love Dream Theater. But I definitely don't like the thought of DT trying to sound like PF or Rush. If they undergo a steady evolution which leads to the point that they sound a little bit like another band, that's OK. But I think it's a big mistake to say "We'd like to access the Pink Floyd/Rush market in the future, so let's try to sound more like these bands.". I don't know if JKLB or any other member of the band really wants to do so. So maybe this is just obsolete talk. Though, if it's true, there's a very dangerous tendency going on. They might not only fail to have success in getting their music through to the PF/Rush-fans, they also might lose their original fans, too. I don't want DT to keep on doing the same things. I want them to change and to develop. But the change should come from within. They shouldn't try to change their style for the sole reason of selling more CDs. They should follow their own path. It worked great so far, didn't it? Disclaimer: I haven't heared any songs from FII so far (Trying to be patient for *the* day). So I cannot tell if DT really tries to sound like Pink Floyd or if it's just (Images &) words. :-) >I love DT and it's my favorite band forever as much as JlB is the best >singer. Maybe I don't understand his words. The same goes for me, too. Jan ================================================================== = Jan Ziese = Tel.: +49 (0) 7738 / 99 858 = jzi@star-ag.ch = ================================================================== = It was long ago = = and it was far away = = and it was so much better than it is today = = ('Paradise by the dashboard light' / Meat Loaf) = ================================================================== ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2982 **************************