YTSEJAM Digest 2942 Today's Topics: 1) Re: The Flower King (s) by email_address_removed (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) 2) Virgil Donati by "Ville Rassi" 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2937 by David Di Tivoli 4) Empty tremors prog band by David Di Tivoli 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2939 by David Di Tivoli 6) Popular music by Shai Yallin 7) Kurt Cobain and MTV in a DT song by CLARK ABEL 8) Skadz is gonna make an example by "Ryan P. Skadberg" 9) The first single .... by "Ryan P. Skadberg" 10) MTV getting proggy? by "Korg Eksthrey" 11) Virgil Donati by email_address_removed.br (Pedro Prado) 12) PLEASE ENLIGHTEN WITH YOUR WISDOM Pt.2 by Pedro Filipe 13) 'ryche unplugged by "Too Much Coffee Man" 14) Rudess and Morgenstein by Isaac Sabetai 15) HELLsten, Birthdays by Mark Bredius 16) NDTC: Di's funeral music by Jim Beavens 17) Threshold by "W. Brian Henderson" 18) DT in the classroom by Quazel Schmirt 19) burning a pleasant shade of gray by Brandon Elhai ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 01:52:48 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: The Flower King (s) Message-ID: "Brandon Vaughn" wrote: >Nobody mentioned having heard of the Flower Kings. I may go ahead and buy >one of their CDs. But if anyone has heard of them, I really would >appreciate your comments Well, The Flower kings is from Sweden, led by Roine Stolt, the guitar player, who was in "Samla Mammas Manna" and "Kaipa" before. The Flower Kings music is meodic prog like a combination of Marillion, Kansas, Jethro Tull and King Crimson with the unique singing style of Roine Stolt. You will like them. These are albums of The Flower Kings that I have. 1). The Flower King / Roine Stolt (this one is a good album to start with, and this album has no "s") It has a 20.55 minute song called "Humanizzimo", very good. 2). Back In the World Of Adventures 3). Retropolis (good) 4). Stardust We Are (2 cds of Brand New Studio Recordings) The problem is all cds are import. They are hard to find in the U.S. but not in Europe. I saw their show at Progfest'97 in LA. They were an excellent live band. Hope this helps, AE ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 03:56:10 PDT From: "Ville Rassi" To: email_address_removed Subject: Virgil Donati Message-ID: Hey gang! >They are in Australia, and Virgil Donati played for them.Mp sat in >once (sorry, Virgil kicks MP's ass at double bass--he can do a really >fast double-stroke roll with his feet!). I remember reading this either from a website or from Moderndrummer: Mike Portnoy said this about Virgil Donati:"That guy is so talented, that itīs scary!" :-) -Vilzu- "I can learn to resist,anything but temptation" Rush:"Resist" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 02:47:52 +0200 From: David Di Tivoli To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2937 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970906024752.008873a0@pronet.it> >Hey all, this is only my second time posting, but I've been reading the jam >for quite some time now. I just wanna say to those who still need a prog-fix >before FII hits the shelves, go get Lemur Voice's cd "Insights", if you >haven't already. It kix ass! The CD sounds a lot like a combination b/t I&W >and Awake. Lots of jaw-dropping instrumental, odd-meter, heavy sh*t on this >album, esp. the songs Intuition, Akasha Chronicles, More of Nothing, and >Prime of Passion. Well, nuff said about that before I start naming half the >damn songs on the album! Anyway, it took me a while to find the CD but it >was definitely worth it IMO. > >Also, I'm just curious, do any of you jammers live in SC (or the southeast >for that matter)? I'm at USC right now trying to get a band together. Email >me if interested. > Yes,that is a good cd...but is a great clone of Dreamtheater.....I don't like clones.... +--------------------------------------------------+ | David Di Tivoli | | "DREAM" Undernet:#italia | /) E-mail:dream@pronet.it (\ / ) UIN #2549487 ( \ ( (+-------------------------------------------------+) ) /| (((\ \) /_) /^) / /)) (\\\\ \_/ / \ \_ / / // \ / \ / \ __/ \__ / | | | | ******* ******* /*******\ /*******\ ************************************************************** http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2549487 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 02:49:28 +0200 From: David Di Tivoli To: email_address_removed Subject: Empty tremors prog band Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970906024928.00889100@pronet.it> Empty tremors are a great(for me the best)italian progressive band.They are original...not like Lemur voice ecc.Their album is very very very good.If you can buy it..... +--------------------------------------------------+ | David Di Tivoli | | "DREAM" Undernet:#italia | /) E-mail:dream@pronet.it (\ / ) UIN #2549487 ( \ ( (+-------------------------------------------------+) ) /| (((\ \) /_) /^) / /)) (\\\\ \_/ / \ \_ / / // \ / \ / \ __/ \__ / | | | | ******* ******* /*******\ /*******\ ************************************************************** http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2549487 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 02:53:39 +0200 From: David Di Tivoli To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2939 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970906025339.00889db0@pronet.it> > I am thinking of ordering some CDs and I want to know about >ALtura. I couldn't find any stuff about them on the web. Are the Prog >rock, prog hard rock, or prog metal, or prog at all? How's the singer? >I checked out Leviathan and I just want to know how's the vocals? > I e-mailed Metal Edge as per suggestion and asked if they'd be >covering FII. Here's what they said: > "yes. See the Dec issue out 9/23" >ALL RIGHT!!! > >I think that Altura is the highest clone of Dreamtheater....not bad,but I don't like.Leviathan are good....but I don't like the singer voice..... +--------------------------------------------------+ | David Di Tivoli | | "DREAM" Undernet:#italia | /) E-mail:dream@pronet.it (\ / ) UIN #2549487 ( \ ( (+-------------------------------------------------+) ) /| (((\ \) /_) /^) / /)) (\\\\ \_/ / \ \_ / / // \ / \ / \ __/ \__ / | | | | ******* ******* /*******\ /*******\ ************************************************************** http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2549487 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 14:24:29 +0300 From: Shai Yallin To: email_address_removed Subject: Popular music Message-ID: Hi... Well, here's my share of the "Music industry, popular music, and all of this shit" discussion.... Generally, from what I know, people will listen to anyhting that is popular among their society. No matter if it's rap, dance, hip-hop, death metal, black metal or prog rock. I've started listening to DT because a couple of my friends listened to them. Then, eventually, the whole group of people I hang with started listening to DT. So, if the press would review DT and define them as "cool music" or "good music", people will eventually start listening to DT. Now, here's where the record label comes into the picture. If they'll promote DT like Spice Girls get promoted, DT will be a huge hit. It's as simple as that. A good example of that is as followed: Some fucker around here realised that boy bands make good money. So, he HIRED some good-looking fellows and started promoting them. They're now a huge success in israel. And all they do is dance on the stage and throwing words in the air, and pretend like they're playing. This was 60 seconds about the press and popular music -- Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM "mmmbop, da da doobop yeaaaaah..." - Hanson "The chances of a secret to come out is the sum of square of the number of people who know it" - no idea who said it, but it's damn cool. (translation may be lame - I know it in correctly hebrew...." Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 12:21:44 -0400 (EDT) From: CLARK ABEL To: email_address_removed Subject: Kurt Cobain and MTV in a DT song Message-ID: >It's too bad Dream Theater >mentions Kurt Cobain and MTV in one of their new songs Does this bother anyone else? Ok, I haven't heard any of the new stuff yet, and I'm not going to make a big deal out of this until I have, since for all I know this quote could be dead wrong anyway. But to me, this is just a subtle indication that the band may be headed in a direction that I don't like. It reminds me of something I read here a year or so ago where someone said that alot of fans don't like the line in Learning to Live that goes "The nineties bring new questions..." because they consider IaW to be something of a timeless work, and that one line dates the whole thing. I agree. I've always thought of these guys (DT) as being kind of visionaries (go ahead and laugh, I'm serious) whose music stood on its own as great art, regardless of when it was written. I've never understood how anyone can dismiss music as sounding "too eighties" or whatever. How is it that it sounded good then, but bad now just because it's "out of date"? No other so-called art form besides pop music goes out of date, and it's a pretty good indication of what people will think of most of this music in a hundred years. But I'm getting way off topic here. My point is this. Social commentary is fine, and I don't mind vague references or hints of it in my music. Alot of Metallica's old stuff was semi-political, and that was cool, because it always had kind of a vague, semi-poetic ring to it. But when the lyrics to music start including direct references to current pop culture, it loses any sense of timelessness, and as a result, any possibility of being "pure art" to me. "Pure art", I suppose, would be music written purely for the sake of the music. Maybe this is why I generally gravitate towards instrumental music, because lyrics always seem to me to ruin any timeless quality the music may have. But this is one thing I've always really liked about DT, is that the lyrics were art, too, as timeless as the music. Ok, hopefully someone will know what I'm talking about here. Here's my two cents on one other semi-related topic: I personally don't give a flying woopty-doo if DT has ANY commercial success with this album or not, and in fact, I hope they don't. It would be nice if the world would recognize their music for its greatness on their own, and appreciate all the depth and complexity it has to offer. But this will never happen. As someone else said recently, any band can be popular if they're marketed correctly, and this probably includes DT. But this very fact just goes to show that even if they do become popular, it will be for the wrong reasons. Now, if I run into a DT fan, as rare as this is, at least I know we have at least one very real thing in common. But even though we all would like to see the boys have more success and get more recognition, I don't think those are the types of fans we want on this list, and I don't think we want them at the cost of the band's integrity. But perhaps I shouldn't be telling all of you what you want. I'll leave that up to the music industry. -Clark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 12:53:20 -0400 From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" To: email_address_removed Subject: Skadz is gonna make an example Message-ID: Lars Hellsten wrote: > > Ytse-Survey Int'l is once again conducting a survey on the 'Jam, > > this time to find out which NFL team is the most popular amongst the > > best > Fuck off and die. We don't need your stinking spam here. Why don't > you just put it on a goddamn web page? This NFL crap is even worse > than the spam that's been making it's way on the list lately - at > least that junk isn't posted over and over. I bet the majority of the > people on this list don't even follow the NFL. This is EXACTLY what you should NOT post to the ytsejam. Anyone else posting a similar message will be quickly removed and banned from the jam. Lars is going to stay on but this is a HUGE warning to him. In situations like this, please email me and I will decide what should be done. In this case I had actually already mailed Steve to keep his posts to once a week. Skadz Ytsejam Moderator email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 13:00:13 -0400 From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" To: email_address_removed Subject: The first single .... Message-ID: Hi All ... Since there have been alot of questions about this, I will tell you what I have heard (from Mike). The first single is "Burning My Soul" and will be released to US Rock Radio ONLY. It will NOT be released as a commercial single. There will be a commercially released single later in the year (probably in Europe as in the past), with bonus tracks, but they are not 100% sure of what the single will be yet. Skadz Ytsejam Moderator email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 11:42:51 -0600 From: "Korg Eksthrey" To: Subject: MTV getting proggy? Message-ID: >It's too bad Dream Theater mentions Kurt Cobain and MTV in one of their >new songs. Are they trying to kiss ass? Heheh. I just renewed some semblance of hope for MTV. While watching Beavis & Butthead last night one of the commercials (which always seem to be sex-related and last forever) was a promotion for Genesis' new album! Not that I'm a big Genesis fan, but I think I'll go buy that album. It sounded pretty good. (What I heard of it). Anywho, I about jumped out of my chair when I saw that. Everyone send Meat Kadu's to MTV for their valiant efforts. Praise them and praise prog and it'll make a better impact than sending death threats. :) Then request a Beck video. :) I'm still in shock. KorgX3 email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 15:30:03 -0300 From: email_address_removed.br (Pedro Prado) To: email_address_removed Subject: Virgil Donati Message-ID: >They are in Australia, and Virgil Donati played for them. MP sat in once >(sorry, Virgil kicks MP's ass at double bass--he can do a really fast >double-stroke roll with his feet!). Oh yeah! I saw a Virgil Donati workshop soma days ago. He really kicks ass on the bass drum, he is really fast. But I didn't like his drumming very much. He doesn't got much creativity, so, MP can be a little slower than him in double bass, but he is still a better, much better, drummer than Donati. Virgil is too much worried about throwing the sticks up... :) (If you saw him before, you know what I'm talking about). _________________ Pedro Prado - a.k.a. Beheader Email: email_address_removed.br - ICQ: 1271907 URL: http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/3551 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 19:52:28 +0200 From: Pedro Filipe To: email_address_removed Subject: PLEASE ENLIGHTEN WITH YOUR WISDOM Pt.2 Message-ID: Can anyone help me with this: In all music theory books I've seen (in the 'meters' section), the 'speed' of the examples is set in 'beats per minute': bmp=100 However, in common guitar transcription books (Awake booklet, etc), the authors prefer to use 'number of quarter notes per minute': [quarter note]=100 What is the correct way to set the 'speed' of a song? For those who have/had music lessons: how are students usually taught? Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 14:06:12 +0000 From: "Too Much Coffee Man" To: email_address_removed Subject: 'ryche unplugged Message-ID: Hey, does anyone out there have the entire Queensryche unplugged thing on audio and/or video? If so, I might be willing to work out a trade. Thanks. of course, e-mail me privately. Dale R. Newberry "People will watch anything, as long as it's dumb." -Beavis ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 16:43:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Isaac Sabetai To: The Wonderful World of YTSE Subject: Rudess and Morgenstein Message-ID: Check out Rudess and Morgenstein if you want interesting prog. It does not have much balls and chunk. It's only keys and drums, but the sound is not thin. They got their start at a Dixie Dregs gig where the power went out and all that stayed on was the keys and drums. I picked up their CD for $6 at a used store yesterday. :) I hope no Boston Jammer sold that fine CD for a few bucks. :) Isaac ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 23:06:27 +0200 From: Mark Bredius To: "'Ytsejam'" Subject: HELLsten, Birthdays Message-ID: Lars Hellsten : >> Ytse-Survey Int'l is once again conducting a survey on the 'Jam, this >> time to find out which NFL team is the most popular amongst the best > > Fuck off and die. We don't need your stinking spam here. Play nice, Hellsten... or I'll flatten you like a fuckin' pancake ;-) I don't care for that NFL stuff either and I really hate that huge sig David Di Tivoli uses (mostly because he *never* posts more than one or two line). But I do not think either one of them deserve to be told to "Fuck off and die". _____ Rogerio Brito wrote : > Well, you know, a lot of people out there having birthdays... Yup... Check out my Ytsejam Birthday Calender for the birthdays of 188 of your fellow Ytsejammers :-) http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/indexdt.htm Go to the bottom of that page, and submit your own birthday if you're not on the Ytsejam Birthday Calendar yet. So... 1089 people on this list, eh ? I'm sure some of them are trying desperately to get off : Mark :-) email_address_removed HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THE YTSEJAM : _ _____ ___ _ _ __ __ Address: email_address_removed |:||_.:._|/:._]|:]_[:|\.\_/./ Subject: asdf |:| |:| (.:(_ |:___:| \_::/ Message: unsubscribe ytsejam |_| [_] \___]|_] [_| [__/ _________________________________________________________________________ Itchy's http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ H Website http://www.a-vip.com/H ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 16:19:37 -0700 From: Jim Beavens To: email_address_removed Subject: NDTC: Di's funeral music Message-ID: Ok, so I watched some of Princess Di's funeral, and was struck by the hymn that was played/sung as they carried the casket out of Westminster Abbey after the ceremony. Does anybody know what this was/who wrote it/if there are any recordings of it? I think Mr. Brokaw mentioned the name afterwards, but I didn't catch it. Very haunting throughout, with a final triumphant major chord progression at the end; simply beautiful. Can anyone help? Anyone? Bueller? -- Jim Beavens | If I had a witty remark that MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=- | fellow mankind, do you really ** I don't speak for Intel ** | think I would put it HERE? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 21:53:16 -0400 From: "W. Brian Henderson" To: email_address_removed Subject: Threshold Message-ID: Is there a Threshold website anywhere? Can't find one... MP3 files? Dunno... Brevity seems forced from me. It's my long-winded nature. Did I ever tell you about the time I fought off the tribe of cannibals with only a spork and a book of stamps... Brian Henderson email_address_removed "Prithee, speak, knave. What dost thou?" -- Baby Spice ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 22:09:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Quazel Schmirt To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: DT in the classroom Message-ID: I, too, had a cool DT experience in class recently. My vocal teacher (voice class, not a lesson) started talking about different rock groups and their singers. She mentioned that her son had recently gone to a Marillion show and started talking about their singer. I was the only one who had even heard of them (I am in classical country here). Then I mentioned DT and SHE started talking about level of musicianship and education. And then onto actually applying what musicians learn to their work and so on. Anyway, she must have talked for ten minutes about DT and Marillion. Everyone thought I was nuts and I thought it was cool! Jill ----------- Quazel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 22:15:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai To: Dream Theater Subject: burning a pleasant shade of gray Message-ID: Hey folks-- Maybe it's just me but I swear that the beginning of BMS (before james comes on) can work with pt. 2 of APSOG where Ray sings: "are you listening am I here screaming?" etc. Brandon ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2942 **************************