YTSEJAM Digest 2935 Today's Topics: 1) Re: new genesis by Arash Ashouriha 2) ytsemilitia!! by Jason Nixon 3) STOP by email_address_removed 4) Damon...your thoughts on the album covers? by Eric John Marlett 5) This is stupid but funny! by Jeremy Kube 6) a new bootleg discography, eckie's rant, CCR, ytsejam football by email_address_removed (Bruce Forst) 7) 311... Holy shit..it's prog! by Jeremy Kube 8) New genesis drummer by Shai Yallin 9) Album covers by Shai Yallin 10) Anybody heard of the Flower Kings? / ACOS Project update by "Vaughn, Brandon" 11) Music for Music's sake? by Jon Parmet 12) FII by "woot" 13) CD duplicators by Eric Rodger 14) Johnny Lang by "Brian Hayden" 15) Re: Johnny Lang by Alexandre Lymberopoulos 16) Spock's beard by David Di Tivoli 17) Watchtower by David Di Tivoli 18) Mayadome by David Di Tivoli ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 21:31:34 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: new genesis Message-ID: Hi "Calling All Stations" (the new album from Genesis) is really good. It's against confirmity and that's the reason I like it so much. Something between the old albums in the 70's and those in the 80's /90's. Before Genesis, Ray Wilson was in band called Stilskin. They had big hit with "Inside", a song made for a Levis commercial in 1995. His voice is really good. I saw a report on a German chanel when he sang the first part of "Supper's Ready". It was really great. Btw, has someone allready heard Yngwie Malmsteen's new album "Facing The Animal" ? Please tell me your opinion about it. Calling All Stations Can Anybody Tell Me Tell Me Exactly Where I Am By Genesis Arash -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY | | | | http://lionel.kr.fh-niederrhein.de/~ashouria/index.htm | | | | by Arash Ashouriha | | | | email_address_removed.de | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 16:15:45 -0400 From: Jason Nixon To: email_address_removed Subject: ytsemilitia!! Message-ID: Jammerz, So what are we gonna do about the sick record companies and radio stations... THE YTSEMILITIA!!! We will stand together and boycott these corporate slimeballs as a "cyber-army" and request the hell out of the New DT. If these stations and labels dont listen we WILL mail bomb and do whatever means necessary to make our voice heard... Being a ytsemilitia member also involves meeting at #ytsemilitia on irc.dreamt.org, port 2112 and going on other chat servers to preach the word and mess up!!! current example: irc.hansonline.com port 6667 room #hanson Have fun with that one jammerz... and mail me at email_address_removed or meet me as jason at #ytsejam or #ytsemilitia to join the ranks of the few, the proud, the ytsemilitia! Jason (aka nixonburg) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:17:58 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: STOP Message-ID: Please stop sending digests. Thanks. email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:25:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric John Marlett To: email_address_removed Subject: Damon...your thoughts on the album covers? Message-ID: > I read the post about how the album sleeve reflects the sound of the > music. I agree. Actually, I would propose that we are psychologically > influenced by the album sleeve--and as a result, we perceive the music > differently. I know I do...DT's Awake certainly does sound like a darker > album. Change of Seasons sounds "sky blue." The copy of When Dream and > Day Unite that I own has a man apparently checking his armpit on the > front cover. I hate that album for that reason. I would really be interested in hearing the viewpoint of someone who isn't influenced by the color of the liner notes. Does the music still have those connotations? Damon, I *am* thinking of the right guy, right? Anyway, I do think the artwork "colors" the music, but while for it adds a certain flavor, it is not so noticeable or salient that I like or dislike the music because of it. I'm not trying to say it doesn't affect me, it does, but I've never hated an album because I didn't like the cover. The cover is a part of my reaction to an album, but it is such a small part that it doesn't really bother me. Anyway, just my thoughts. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 16:29:14 -0400 From: Jeremy Kube To: email_address_removed Subject: This is stupid but funny! Message-ID: Yeah, just too bad Stevie Ray proved white guys can do the BEST blues :) > Heheh, well, aside from Ralph Macchio ;)~ Ralph Macchio graduated from the same high school as my mom, the same high school that Billy Joel also graduated from... You'd think that my mother would be cool graduating from the same high school as a couple of celebrities...what the fuck happened?? : ) As for Stevie, He definately rocks the house hard! He is the man! He ranks up there with George Thouroghgood! Not! SRV was the man, it's too bad that he had to be taken so tragically. Later, J ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 15:36:20 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Bruce Forst) To: email_address_removed Subject: a new bootleg discography, eckie's rant, CCR, ytsejam football Message-ID: I know there are some people on here who think that bootlegs are the work of devil but i personlly think they serve some purpose to a segment of the population.. like me for instance. And so I am a bit bemused and dismayed that the DT boot discography is something like two years out of date the last time I looked for it. I think that its an information source like anything else, useful for some people. This list prides itself on being educated about things.. and educating others so I would like to see somebody like Rogerio, who takes an active interests in bootlegs take ahold of the reins of the boot discography and give it a revamping.. maybe save a few people the trouble of having to continuously post to the jam in an attempt to find out whether they should buy a certain bootleg that's shown up at a local store or not. .about what eckie said, amen brother Eckie!! Sometimes I just cant believe how people can be so blind.. CCR, is credance clearwater revival.. a country rock band that played such classic rock favorites as "born on the bayou" and "run to the jungle". They ARE NOT METAL, they're not even hardly an electric band. I believe they even once played on a TV show with a washboard, a jug and something like a one string bass made of a pail and a piece of wood. I think this was a joke but it gives you some idea of the nature of the band. That metallica would cover a CCR tune is hilariously funny to me.. I personally think a metallica rendition of "heard it through the grapevine" would be amusing to say the least. The football thing... umm.. that's a weekly update from Jeremy that'll we'll be seeing? In which case I would be happy to volunteer a portion of my web space and meager design talents to host the updates instead of having them posted to the jam. So if somebody from the YFFL would be willing to prepare the updates, stats, highlight reel etc.. I will provide the space and some suitable graphics.. look over my site and get back to me www.busprod.com/bforst/ got ANGRA's "holy land" the other day, help me.. I cant stop listening to it!!! Hopefully it'll be DT to the rescue :) bruce (look for me on the ytsejam "most infrequent poster list"!) hi satu! email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 16:37:43 -0400 From: Jeremy Kube To: email_address_removed Subject: 311... Holy shit..it's prog! Message-ID: First, before I get flammed for liking a "new wave" group, I wanted to explain why I like 311. 311 is a band that has taken rap (a style of music that really sucks) and made it cool. The band is very tight and the background music isn't cheezy, it's cool. I have 3 of their albums, Music, self titled and the new one Transistor. I picked up Transistor this past week at Record Town (I didn't have to pay $17 for the CD either!) Anyway, the album is very prog! This album isn't "typical" 311. There is a lot of songs where there isn't any rap at all, just mellow singing and funky guitar riffs, not to mention the drummer kicks! So, I'm not saying rap is cool or anything, but what I am saying is that rap is cool when done by 311, especially because the band is progressive. Try it out, I think that you will be pleasantly surprised. Later, J ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 23:16:27 +0300 From: Shai Yallin To: email_address_removed Subject: New genesis drummer Message-ID: Well, in matter of fact, the new drummer for genesis is called Nir Zidkyahoo or something like that..... He's from Israel!!!! Don't know how he writes it. -- Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM "mmmbop, da da doobop yeaaaaah..." - Hanson "The chances of a secret to come out is the sum of square of the number of people who know it" - no idea who said it, but it's damn cool. (translation may be lame - I know it in correctly hebrew...." Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 23:33:56 +0300 From: Shai Yallin To: email_address_removed Subject: Album covers Message-ID: hi! Well, another very good example of the above subject is SG's Carved In Stone - The album sounds very soft and mystical, while the cover is also mystical and soft. When I think about it, a main color of blue would fit better over there (instead of that red-orange) -- Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM "mmmbop, da da doobop yeaaaaah..." - Hanson "The chances of a secret to come out is the sum of square of the number of people who know it" - no idea who said it, but it's damn cool. (translation may be lame - I know it in correctly hebrew...." Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:03:25 -0500 From: "Vaughn, Brandon" To: email_address_removed Subject: Anybody heard of the Flower Kings? / ACOS Project update Message-ID: <41303F74D60DD111B56500609778A79C50C7@chipola.cc.fl.us> I was browsing the web the other day, and finding so many links I never knew existed about prog music. I ran across a site that mentioned that their album of the year (1996) was Retropolis by Flower Kings. I went to their web site, and they have some pretty interesting music. They just released a 2-CD set (Stardust We Are) with lots of 8--25 minute songs on it. (Something I really wish DT would do one day--if they weren't going for a commercial success this time, FII should have been a double-album). You can find their web page at http://www.users.wineasy.se/flowerkings/ Anyway, I was wondering if anyone had heard this group or have any CDs to comment about. By the way, has anyone ordered CDs from Spock's Beard (Radiant Records) or Magna Carta? I placed an order with them what seems like ages ago, and I'm still waiting. I would appreciate any comments from anyone who has ordered with either of these. The ACOS Project is still trucking along (need a couple of hours left to do some minor correcting, and then update the files on the web page). Brandon Vaughn email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 21:09:21 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: email_address_removed Subject: Music for Music's sake? Message-ID: As Eckie wrote, flames shot out of his nostrils (mercilessly scorching several record company executives) and thus formed: > There's an obvious battle going on here in the States between the > increasingly oblivious and ignorant pop culture and the preservation of > the arts and all that is beautiful and creative. With the business machine fleecing both sides, I'm sure. It is unfortunate that it's gotten to the point where maintaining the intregity of and respect for the art form is not only secondary to the bottom line, but it also has become a goal to optimize the piss out of it. And with that comes all the symbiotic lower life forms willing to do/say/perform anything to make a buck. I just refuse to buy into it, man! It's enough for me to know what really matters. Those who can, do. Those who can't, sell :) I honestly do believe, though, that things are starting to make a turn for the better. The thing that baffles me is stuff like what I see on WAAF (one of the local Boston area radio stations) has on their current playlist: Metallica, Megadeth, Pantera, Tool, Helmet, Rage Against The Machine, Drain STH and Faith No More. I'd expect to see Dream Theater right in there, wouldn't you? It's not like there's this hatred of the heavier sounds. Are they saving the best for last? :) Have UFOs actually landed and affected all forms of reason? What's the fucking problem? Talk to me, goose, talk to me! > Unfortunately the only celebrity artist I've seen stand up and criticize > this incredible problem in recent years (on a major media broadcast) was > Richard Dreyfus back a couple years on one of these fluff-ridden music > awards programs. Funny how I haven't seen him appear on any more awards Maybe, in their infinite lack of wisdom, they (the infamous 'they') associated heavy metal with being the root cause of his cocaine addiction :) > It's a simple matter of supply and demand. [...] > because they continue to beat the "alternative" horse beyond death and > shove it down our throats because that's what they've deemed popular. and apparently, it's what's more in demand these days. > I know I shouldn't dwindel on these kind of things, but so much > of it could EASILY be changed if people opened up thier minds! It's something anyone who has respect for an art form (in this case) goes through, sooner or later. I think it's a matter of who one surrounds ONESELF with. We sometimes "hear of someone being referred to as a "cultured person." I just happened to have turned on the set last night and caught "Leaving Las Vegas" for the first time. Cage's performance so totally blew me away compared to Moonstruck or, say, Raising Arizona (both of which he was great in). And Harry Connick, Jr.??? nuff said... Does that make me cultered? Not quite. Does that make me a Yoghurt culture? Perhaps... but Harry Jr. is one great composer/musician, and Nick seems to be getting better and better all the time. Yeah, OK, Elizabeth Shue makes Sharon Stone look like Phyliss Diller, but I digress :) My point was that there does seem to be excellence out there in the arts. Maybe not enough, but it does and will survive. Look at the fuckers now who want to do away with the federal funding for the NEA? Sociological change has and probably always will lag behind things like industrial, technological and economic change. /me belches :) Oh well, think I'll go buy the new DT disc... Jon -- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | email_address_removed | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 15:25:04 -0600 From: "woot" To: Subject: FII Message-ID: well It turns out that the MP3 of YNM was the whole version, unless the metal sampler is still the edit. BMS is way too repetitive, but I like the new harmonies in the chorus. PS is either a blatant rip-off of bleeding me or an amazing coincidence. You can sing the part on bleeding me while listening to PS and it fits perfectly (maybe even better). What's up with the wah pedal? He's just using that thing more and more now. (not that it's a bad thing) maybe they'll have to start hiding it from him like they had to with Hammet. woot ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 17:47:38 -0400 From: Eric Rodger To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: CD duplicators Message-ID: I'm looking to have a CD of my old band pressed in quantity. Can anyone recommend any CD pressing facilities, that can run an order between 500-1000. I haven't decided if I want jewel cases and liners included, so at this point, it doesn't matter. I just need some contacts, and I'll get quotes accordingly. Note: this will not be CDr, I'm looking for a professional pressing, which looks like your typical silver CD. Also, after I get the CD pressed, I'll be trying to market it here on the internet. I'll also be looking for independent distributors to sell them. I will probably be able to dish them off to distributors for about $4 a piece, but I'll have to figure that out after I calculate my costs. If you are a distributor, or know one, your help would be greatly appreciated. The band is called Child of Fire, and the music is metal in vein of 80's Iron Maiden, Queensryche, and Dokken - although we don't sound identical to any of these bands. I'm looking for distributors to market primarily at record shows, overseas, and on the internet - although I will also be marketing our product on the internet. Thanks in advance for any help, and I'll be posting again after I get the CD pressed, which will be several months away. KAI ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 97 16:50:07 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" To: email_address_removed Subject: Johnny Lang Message-ID: > Yeah, just add Jonny Lang and Kenny Wayne Shepherd. They have 16 > and 20 years old respectivelly, and their sound rules!!! Shepherd is cool, but Lang is just a blues version of Hanson. He's nothing but a cheap imitator who gets publicity because of his age. He comes from around here, so I've been hearing about him and hearing his boring music for a couple years now. -Brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 19:30:49 -0300 (EST) From: Alexandre Lymberopoulos To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Johnny Lang Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Brian Hayden wrote: > Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 15:06:35 -0700 (PDT) > From: Brian Hayden > Reply-To: email_address_removed > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Johnny Lang > > > > Yeah, just add Jonny Lang and Kenny Wayne Shepherd. They have 16 > > and 20 years old respectivelly, and their sound rules!!! > > Shepherd is cool, but Lang is just a blues version of Hanson. He's nothing but a > cheap imitator who gets publicity because of his age. He comes from around here, > so I've been hearing about him and hearing his boring music for a couple years > now. What is the problem with Hanson? You could say they are a product of midia, commercial sound, etc. Hell on it!!! When I hear their songs I feel happy, they put me up. I don't even care for how they are classified by you, I like them and just it. Such as johnny Lang, a blues guy by definition. It has all the qualities to make his music sound bluesy, except the fact he isn't black for some guy here... :-D Can't you see quality or felling on other kind of music not progressive or progressive metal? > -Brian Alexandre. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexandre Lymberopoulos - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~lymber Undergraduate Mathematics Student - University of Sao Paulo - Brazil Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~lymber/bootleg.html "We are so human, we are so small" - Peter Garret - Midnight Oil "I'm your dream, make you real / I'm your eyes when you must steal I'm your pain when you can't feel / sad but true" - James Hetfield - Metallica =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 00:41:51 +0200 From: David Di Tivoli To: email_address_removed Subject: Spock's beard Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970905004151.00873880@pronet.it> Could anyone tell me something about this band???It is good? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 00:42:29 +0200 From: David Di Tivoli To: email_address_removed Subject: Watchtower Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970905004229.00878820@pronet.it> Does anyone knows Watchtower? +--------------------------------------------------+ | David Di Tivoli | | "DREAM" Undernet:#italia | /) E-mail:dream@pronet.it (\ / ) UIN #2549487 ( \ ( (+-------------------------------------------------+) ) /| (((\ \) /_) /^) / /)) (\\\\ \_/ / \ \_ / / // \ / \ / \ __/ \__ / | | | | ******* ******* /*******\ /*******\ ************************************************************** http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2549487 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 00:43:10 +0200 From: David Di Tivoli To: email_address_removed Subject: Mayadome Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970905004310.0087a100@pronet.it> I have seen post about Mayadome...but is this band a good band? ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2935 **************************