YTSEJAM Digest 2893 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Symphony X by Mark Jeffrey McEuen 2) DT transcriptions by email_address_removed 3) Re: blah blah blah by email_address_removed 4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2892 by "Steve Lehrfeld" 5) Mission: Impossible & Mike Bahr boots by Rogerio Brito 6) Re: Roland VK-7 and JP-8000 by email_address_removed.ca (Rick Barkhouse) 7) Storm Thorgerson on all CLASSICS ? by richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James) 8) Re: Mission: Impossible Theme, 5/4 accents by Brian Wherry 9) prog bands by Pat Daugherty 10) Attn. someone who mailed me about 2 DT 1989 videos by Brian 11) More keyboard talk by Shai Yallin 12) Clockwork by Brian Wherry 13) Fates Last Night by Deidre Killam 14) flaming? me? never! by Seroussi 15) JP Clinic in Tampa by "John Gilbert" 16) dlghfsd by Chris Oates ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:37:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Jeffrey McEuen To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Symphony X Message-ID: > > Can anyone tell me when can I find a site where I can listen > > to Symphony X sound samples, or at least a Symphony X site... > > I believe Dr. Mosh has "The Eyes of Medusa" on his site in mp3 format, > which is located at http://www.gmsnet.com/progmetal There's a Symphony X site at http://www.zero-mvp.com/art/SYM.html that has a sound sample from each of their three albums. In addition, the Heady Metal site at http://headymetal.simplenet.com/ has a couple of different samples. Mark McEuen email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: 22 Aug 97 13:04:39 EDT From: email_address_removed To: Subject: DT transcriptions Message-ID: Has anyone ever done any transcriptions for the drum part of any DT songs? Dave. A Boston (UK) Jammer. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:13:56 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: " - (052)f.miguel(a)mail.telepac.pt" Cc: " - (052)ytsejam(a)ax.com" Subject: Re: blah blah blah Message-ID: <0010200001127179000002L092*@MHS> > 1- How is the Mission Impossible theme related to DT? < Did they do a cover song or something? Where can I > download a mp3/ra with the song? DT has covered the Mission: Impossible theme on several occasions. I don't know any place that has it in mp3/ra, but it is on several boots (WDATU?). I don't remember for sure which those are right now. But I know someone else does. > 2- LAST THEORY QUESTION (at least, for now) :) < Where are the accents in a normal 5/4 measure? > Can someone point some DT's songs where the accents < are NOT were they were supposed to be? > (ya know what I mean...the syncopation stuff) As far as I know, the only "standard" accent in 5/4 is on beat one. Ah, you seek syncopation in DT music, do you? Just listen to Portnoy. If he's not playing bass cymbal snare cymbal, it's syncopated. ;) But seriously, let's see... I'm working from memory, so some of these may be better examples than others, and some of them may not be examples of syncopation at all. Intro of PMU. Petrucci is playing straight 4, Portnoy is playing syncopation Instrumental section of Metropolis, especially Moore's solo and the riff that gets passed from person to person. I'd be willing bet that Portnoy wrote the rhythm for that riff. The Mission: Impossible theme is actually a pretty good example Intro to Voices. This could be argued as just being strange time sigs, but play it for one of your radio listening friends and tell them to try to follow the beat. :) Laugh when they fail miserably. The Ytse Jam. What's that? You say you don't *have* WDADU? Go ahead and get a copy, I'll wait right here for you. Ah, I see you're back. It's worth the trouble to find isn't it. Intro to 6:00, Portnoy again. Really, if you want to hear the difference between a straight rhythm and a syncopated rhythm, just compare a standard, no talent drummer's grooves to one of Portnoy's grooves. "Briiiaaaaan!!" "Kiiirrrrrrk!!" - Joe, Wings - Khan, Wrath of Khan email_address_removed email_address_removed Write me. If you dare! = ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:35:34 +0000 From: "Steve Lehrfeld" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2892 Message-ID: > > for anyone who wants to know, the DT theme on http://www.crypted.com theme > was downloaded 140+ times just yesterday! I also have a (probably different) free DT Theme at my web-site. (see URL below). > > currently playing - CLOCKWORK : Search I also have a few copies of this CD left. They're only $8 a pop, and highly recommended from just about everyone. -steve ************************************************** DREG Records homepage: http://www.hutman.com/dreg/ New & Improved Progressive Rock ************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:32:32 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Mission: Impossible & Mike Bahr boots Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Pedro Filipe wrote: > 1- How is the Mission Impossible theme related to DT? > Did they do a cover song or something? Where can I > download a mp3/ra with the song? Yes, there's a lot of DT versions of the "Mission: Impossible" theme. For instance, "Uncovered" by Kobra Records has a VERY fast version of this song. Some Mike Bahr boots also have slower versions of this song. And just as a side note to Mike Bahr, he says (on his homepage) that "Guitar Talkin'" has ripped him off getting the acoustic songs from "Acoustic Dreams". I don't think that this is true, since the "Guitar Talkin'" boot has things (the artists chatting) that are *not* in "Acoustic Dreams". See you later, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:52:49 -0300 (ADT) From: email_address_removed.ca (Rick Barkhouse) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Roland VK-7 and JP-8000 Message-ID: Chris Oates spake: >Any keyboard-oriented jammers out there ever play on these units? Not >looking for reviews, I love em both, just want to share some experiences >like our fellow guitarists do with their instrument of choice. Cool, finally some keyboard talk on the Jam! I've played both of these machines, and I have to say that the JP-8000 rokz some serious nadz... much better than our man Derek's Korg Prophecy any day :) If there's any synth players out there who are trying to decide on one of these retro analog-style synths (Yamaha ANX1, Nord Lead, Korg Prophecy) I have to recommend this one. The knobs and sliders are enough reason by themselves. The VK-7 is also a great Hammond-replicator. A lot nicer than the XB-2 from a few years ago... great action... -- Rick Barkhouse, aka Drusillus on #ytsejam http://dragon.acadiau.ca/~015691b ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:03:54 +0500 From: richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James) To: email_address_removed Subject: Storm Thorgerson on all CLASSICS ? Message-ID: <9708221803.AA03768@jason.qc.ca> yesterday i just look at my old Pink Floyd album for cheching what Mike P. said : Cover artwork was done by the legendary Storm Thorgerson who has done all of the classic Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin covers. only one album that man has done concerning Pink Floyd is PINK FLOYD "ANIMALS" i check from Atom Mother Earth thru The Final Cut minus "UMMAGUMMA" rj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:10:43 -0400 From: Brian Wherry To: Da Jam Subject: Re: Mission: Impossible Theme, 5/4 accents Message-ID: Pedro inquired: > > 1- How is the Mission Impossible theme related to DT? > Did they do a cover song or something? Where can I > download a mp3/ra with the song? DT has done a version of it a few times, both live and way back in the studio. It can be found on Lost In The Sky (Italian Bootleg -- you can probably get it from Mike Bahr) and assorted demos and whatnot. There's an mp3 of it at the official DT site (http://www.rsabbs.com/dt/newstuff/sounds.html) but I doubt it works because none of the other mp3's do. (I can't get them to work right, anyway) > 2- LAST THEORY QUESTION (at least, for now) :) > Where are the accents in a normal 5/4 measure? Where are the spots on a normal dog? Heh. > Can someone point some DT's songs where the accents > are NOT where they were supposed to be? Pedro, I think you have been led astray at some point in your life, hopefully not by someone here on the ytsejam. ;) Accents are defined, both their placement and magnitude, by the musicians who write the music that contains the accents. Asking where accents were NOT supposed to be is like asking DaVinci where the plates were supposed to be. You get my drift? If you have more questions like this *please* ask them, because if you are letting things like where accents are *supposed* to be get in the way of you writing the music you want to, you're missing the boat and you need to get on that boat!! Ya know? Kick it! Wacky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:31:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: prog bands Message-ID: Brandon V. wrote: >Got Shadow Gallery 'Carved in Stone'. I really like this album. It is >growing on me everytime I listen to it. The piano on this album is really >something. Looking forward to their new one! Check out their first cd then. It's only available directly from Magna Carta. I think it is very good as well. >I was really blown away with Enchant's 'Blueprint...' album. Wow! Can >anyone tell me anything about this band? Has anyone heard the album >'Wounded'? Are there any videos (bootlegs) or demo/bootleg tapes of this >group? Wounded is good as well. since you like Enchant and SG, check out Magna Carta's tribute ablums. SG and Enchant play on some of the Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, and Rush tributes. >Finally, can anyone recommend other prog groups in the vein of Spock's >Beard, Enchant, or Shadow Gallery? Would I like Lemur Voice or Angra? LV is good. You might want to check out Magellan and Altura both of Magna Carta. Another great band is Divine Regale. If you want a really good "power prog metal" cd then check out the cd by Division called Paradise Lost. It's available from their web site: http://www.crosslink.net/~division/ I got this cd about 3 weeks ago and its been my top played cd since then. They dont have keyboards but I feel they have a unique and fresh sound. After my first listen I didn't really know what to think but obviously this cd grew on me and grew fast. Definitely worth $10. Check it out. Most played cd of the week: Division-"Paradise Lost" |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |===================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | New Dream Theater-September 23, 1997 | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:29:14 -0700 From: Brian To: email_address_removed Subject: Attn. someone who mailed me about 2 DT 1989 videos Message-ID: Will the person that asked for 2 DT 1989 videos please re-email me? (It might have been Rick Mc Mahon) I lost your address, but your tape is done. Thanks ======================================================================== "Are you gonna bark all day, little ----- doggie, or are you gonna ---- ------------- ---- bite?"-Micheal Madsen, ---- - ---- Reservoir Dogs -- - - - - - - - -- "Years of pain I will take and hone - - - - - - - Manifest with your broken bones - - -- - -- - - My heart bleeds for none but my -- - - - - - - - -- own"-Machine Head ---- - - - ---- "None But My Own" ---- ------------- ---- Brian ----- email_address_removed ======================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:27:58 +0300 From: Shai Yallin To: email_address_removed Subject: More keyboard talk Message-ID: Well, it's surly is about fucking time someone will start a keyboard talk.... Great going, Chris!! ;-) Anyhow: A. Does anybody know what keyboard did Kevin Moore use to play the 6:00 intro? whay keyboard is Derek using for that part? This distorted hammond sound is just awesome.... B. I'm seriously considering buying a Korg DW-8000 (like Kev's) for about 800$ (mail form UK to Israel including shipments and VAT. the original price is about 450$). Is it worth it? BTW I bought Marillion's "A script for a jester's tear" and no matter what you do, NOTHING sounds like good old Jupiter or Mini-Moog..... -- "Yauza Yauza Yauza...." - Frank Zappa "You say you want everyone happy. Well, we're not laughing..." - John Petrucci, "Scarred" Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:54:32 -0400 From: Brian Wherry To: Da Jam Shiznit Subject: Clockwork Message-ID: Kevin D. wrote: > > currently playing - CLOCKWORK : Search Aww, yeah! Clockwork is the shiznit! If you haven't already, go to their website (a very cool one, I might add) and order "Search" ASAP. http://www.netti.fi/~japi. Kick it. Wacky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 06:03:03 -0700 From: Deidre Killam To: email_address_removed Subject: Fates Last Night Message-ID: Hi Everyone, Just wanted to give a small tiny bit of an opinion here. I went and saw the Fates Warning concert last night. Was great to meet all the Jammers who came...we were about half the audience!!! Sat thru a whole bunch of crappy opening bands. Just a warning: Never get directions from Dr. Mosh...great guy, tho. the last band before Fates, New Eden, was definately decent. Any one else who was there please correct me if I am wrong, but at the end of their set, did the singer say that they had just signed with Metal Blade Records? If so, buy them when you see them, they are more heavy, and the singer ( to me, at least) sounded alot like Dio. But if you are into heavier stuff, they are great. I want to comment on something that I read in my many backed up jams this morning. > > ...People say they can't stand when Ray holds a note in the > > middle of a measure, and ends the measure with a really short note. They > > say this isn't a melody or something. > I like it when he does this...for two reasons. 1) it is different than you expect. 2) After seeing them last night, and seeing the crowd...you could tell who was there because there was a concert, and who was there to see Fates. All the little teenagers standing around...trying to sing along...but not able to anticipate the changes. Sorry, but it was funny as hell!! BTW- There was a jack ass there last night, drunk or stoned, I don't know, but he kept grabbing the singers of which ever band was ont he stage. Thank you to the two jammers who shouldered him away from the stage when Fates was on. Had a great time last night, Despite Mosh's directions, Deidre Killam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:11:23 +0200 From: Seroussi To: email_address_removed Subject: flaming? me? never! Message-ID: <33FDC83B.9715833A@algonet.se> > From: David Di Tivoli > Subject: ICQ HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Hey people let's download ICQ..and we can talk in first person....by > chat!!!!!!!!!!my UIN is 2549487 > how come every time you post, your post is followed by a post talking about the ICQ shit? put it all in one post... > > > > +--------------------------------------------------+ > | David Di Tivoli | > | "DREAM" Undernet:#italia | > /) E-mail:dream@pronet.it (\ > / ) UIN #2549487 ( \ > ( (+-------------------------------------------------+) ) /| > (((\ \) /_) /^) / /)) > (\\\\ \_/ / \ \_ / / // > \ / \ / > \ __/ \__ / > | | | | > ******* ******* > /*******\ /*******\ > ************************************************************** I find this sig annoying and crappy cuz its last 7 lines contain no worthwhile information...thus they take plenty of room...etc etc... An improved sig: +---------------------------------------+ | David Di Tivoli | | "DREAM" Undernet:#italia | | E-mail:dream@pronet.it | | UIN #2549487 | +---------------------------------------+ > From: email_address_removed > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2880 > > please stop mailing me this stuff!!! send: set ytsejam mail ack to email_address_removed with a subject of "asdf", to stop getting "this stuff" > From: Leonard Berkoski III > Subject: Subscribe > > Subscribe it's "please subscribe"...some people... > From: "Thiago J. Z. Martins" > Subject: asdf wow, 3 in one digest... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:15:28 PDT From: "John Gilbert" To: email_address_removed Subject: JP Clinic in Tampa Message-ID: On wed, aug 20th, I saw the tampa john petrucci clinic. It kicked ass basically. He played a bunch of the new songs like lines in the sand, take away my pain, a new millenium, maybe another one..It was a fun show, john was seemingly having a good time...especially with this one dumbass up in the front row asking him if he had pickups in his guitar. To finish the show he played the two short songs from the sega game, necrominicon or something....all i have to say is...HOLY SHIT! you guys gotta get this game, just for the 4 mins worth of music. The most prog ballz n chunk he's done, and with some industrial sounding effects as well, it can't be beat. After the show was over he hung around, signed pics and other stuff....It was something that is implanted in your mind and never erased. John Gilbert jg on irc.dreamt.org ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:13:30 -0700 From: Chris Oates To: email_address_removed Subject: dlghfsd Message-ID: > 1- How is the Mission Impossible theme related to DT? > Did they do a cover song or something? Where can I > download a mp3/ra with the song? Yes, they covered it. It's on InstruMental II and Subconscious (same version) and a live version on "When Dream and Today Unite" The last two are Bahr releases, so either he or any number of jammers can help you get a copy. > 2- LAST THEORY QUESTION (at least, for now) :) > Where are the accents in a normal 5/4 measure? > Can someone point some DT's songs where the accents > are NOT were they were supposed to be? > (ya know what I mean...the syncopation stuff) In 5, there are two possible divisions of the beats. either 3 then 2 or 2 then 3. It's not a common enough meter to have only one standard. Same is true for the other uncommon (we like to call them complex -- we being prog-heads, it's not an official term) meters, such as 7, 11, 13 and such. Just come up with a division into groups of 2 and 3 and you have a just fine and dandy pattern. Okay, places where DT deviates from normal beat patterns. First: The 9 part in the verse of Surrounded. They list it as 9/4 (I think) but's it's not a compound 9. There are actually 9 beats in it, and even then it's syncopated strangely. If you tap out the nine beats, you will notice that many of the strong notes do not occur on the beat divisions. Second one: At the beginning of the instrumental section to Metropolis, the 13 part, they divide it into 6/8 then 7/8. The 6 (again) is not compound meter, but rather three goupings of two, making it look and feel more like 3/4. They called it 6/8, though, because the 7/8 meter which follows is identical to the 6/8 except for the extra note. To show this similarity, they notated it as 6. Now, just in case people are going to denounce compound meters because of the above, :) Here's a few places where DT does do compound meters: The intro and chorus of Take the Time (the 12/8 and 9/8 parts) The 6/8 parts in Wait for Sleep (including the entire second verse) In Learning To Live: A lot of measures after the WFS part, and starting with the Keyboard solo and through the rest of the song it is mostly 12/8 with some 9/8 measures. That's all compound meter there. I don't have the Awake book, so this is all from I&W. Have fun, knock yourselves out. __ /\ __ Chris Oates: email_address_removed __\/__\/__ +---- \_||_/ | This space under construction. | /__||__\ | Looking for something new to say here ... | // \ | \\ ----+ \| http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2893 **************************