YTSEJAM Digest 2875 Today's Topics: 1) Empire Entertainment info by email_address_removed (Scott R Luttringer) 2) High frequency noise by Pat Sullivan 3) Vai by Pedro Filipe 4) Metal Survey by Your Majesty 5) more whee meters by Chris Oates 6) No meters, just WAV by Chris Oates 7) So sad... by "Jeremy P. Kube" 8) meters by Steve Zebrowski 9) Fates Tomorrow by Chris Ptacek 10) Re: Fates Tomorrow by Brandon Elhai 11) Re: So sad... by Fern Fryer! 12) Horsies & Sheep by "S. Borzilleri" 13) Online record stores and free cds by Mark Bredius 14) Geoff Tate by "woot" 15) Analog vs. Digital recording (NDTC) by cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers) 16) newie (kind of) by "Don Compton" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:03:46 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Scott R Luttringer) To: email_address_removed Subject: Empire Entertainment info Message-ID: For anyone who missed it the first time, here is the info about Empire Entertainment (the U.S. distributor for Angra CD's). >From: email_address_removed >Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 23:58:43 -0400 >Subject: ANGRA "Reaching Horizons" CD Release > >The U.S. release of ANGRA's critically acclaimed 1992 "Reaching Horizons" >cassette is now available on CD. In addition to the 6 original tracks from >the tape, 3 unreleased bonus tracks have been added (for 53 minutes of music) >as has a huge16 page booklet containing many photos, lyrics, band bio and >more. Track listing is as follows: > >1. Carry On >2. Queen Of The Night >3. Angels Cry >4. Evil Warning >5. Time >6. Reaching Horizons > >Bonus Tracks: > >7. Carry On (original version w/alternate chorus, unreleased) >8. Don't Despair (unreleased song) >9. Wuthering Heights (speed version, unreleased) > >This U.S. only release is available for $11.98 plus $2.50 s/h (additional >copies $.50 s/h) exclusively from: > >Empire Entertainment >P.O. Box 1756 >Sebastopol, CA 95473 > >Shipping rates (Airmail) outside the U.S. are: >Canada/Mexico - $3.50, each additional $.50 >World - $6.00, each additional $1.50 Later. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:45:44 -0400 From: Pat Sullivan To: email_address_removed Subject: High frequency noise Message-ID: >I think it was Joe Satriani who said he preferred analog recording because >some of the high frequencies that the ear can't hear influence the >frequencies that you can hear. That reminds me of this wacked out audio system I read about like a year ago. I don't remember the exact detail, but basically, it used these two "thingies" (speakers? transducers? cookies?) that each sent out an ultra high frequency signal. Where the signals intersect, the waveforms cancel each other down into the audible range. So you can use these "thingies" to pinpoint music to a specific location in space, rather than normal speakers, which just *aim* the noise at a specific location. I only mention this rather convoluted description because it goes to show that just because the component frequencies may be out of the range of human hearing, the resulting interaction of waveforms is not. ----- _____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________ E-Mail: email_address_removed WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator ICQ: 2049374 ______________________________________________________ A computer's attention span is as long as its power cord. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:48:19 +0200 From: Pedro Filipe To: email_address_removed Subject: Vai Message-ID: Does someone know where can I get ANY Steve Vai MIDI? I've searched the entire net and I found nothing. ___ | Pedro Filipe ___ * | * ___ & | * | * | Francisco Miguel *| \ | / |* (FleXable) * | \ /|\ / | * * | \ / | \ / | * * | \ | / | * * * | / \ | / \ | * * | / \|/ \ | * "To: email_address_removed *| / | \ |* Subject: asdf _|_* | *_|_ Message: unsubscribe DT" * | * _|_ DREAM THEATER ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:01:42 -0500 From: Your Majesty To: email_address_removed Subject: Metal Survey Message-ID: For those of you interested, Somebody is taking a survey of your favorite Albums, Groups, Songwriters, Guitarists, etc..... Dream Theater is pretty low, so i thought maybe some of you would want to move them higher up on the list. :) http://www.ideal.net.au/~aitkenc/metalsurvey.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |\| So here I stand all alone...With chisel in hand I work my stone... |/| |\| And leave a message for all to see...And contemplate mortality.. |/| |\| - Savatage |/| |\| Jim Lutz |/| |\| email_address_removed email_address_removed |/| |\| email_address_removed email_address_removed |/| ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:20:14 -0700 From: Chris Oates To: email_address_removed Subject: more whee meters Message-ID: >At 07:26 PM 8/15/97 -0700, Chris Oates wrote: >>Anything where the top >>number is divisible by three (except three itself) is a compound meter. >> > >/me scratches head. >I thought 3/4 and 6/8 were basically the same thing, so how can it be a >compound meter one way and not a compound meter the other way? Somethin's >fishy :) No, they aren't the same thing. They have the same _length_ given equivalent tempos (i.e. the same number of eighth notes per measure) BUT (and a big but it is) 6/8, being a compound meter, is a duple meter. That means it has two beats per measure, each beat being a dotted quarter note and subdivided into three eighth notes, whereas 3/4 is a triple meter, having three beats per measure, each beat being a quarter note and subdivided into two eighth notes. They can sound similar if you accent (in the 3/4 measure) the first and fourth eighth notes, as mentioned earlier, but that's a mangling of notation and not the way it's intended to be. 6/8 is closely related to other duple meters (such as 2/8, 2/4, anything with 2 on the top) except that the beat is divided into three rather than two, which is like having three eighth note triplets per quarter note instead of just two eighth notes in 2/4. Given the same tempo (i.e. 80 [quarter note] BPM in 2/4 and 80 [dotted quarter note] BPM in 6/8) the two sound EXACTLY the same. A bit of history: As I was told in a music theory class, compound meters evolved along a distinct branch from simple meters. 6/8 did not ever mean 6 beats per measure. What happened was that the Church (oh the high and mighty church) because of the whole trinity thing, liked to divide their beats into three parts, rather than the secular two parts. (remember, this was before notation as we know it existed!) When notation was standardized as it is today, rather than notate anything in these songs as divided into triplets all the time (which would get very annoying, let me tell you) the compound meters were born, to allow the church songs with their three sub-beats per beat to be notated as easily as seular songs with their two sub-beats per beat. Yeech. what a long-winded thing. Skadz is gonna ban me soon, I bet. :) __ /\ __ __\/__\/__ ~Chris \_||_/ http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ /__||__\ // \ | \\ "Let nothing bleed into nothing, and did nothing at all" \| Jim Matheos, Fates Warning, "A Pleasant Shade of Gray" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:36:46 -0700 From: Chris Oates To: email_address_removed Subject: No meters, just WAV Message-ID: Hm. Interesitng, Mike. I just looke dup in my programming books, and the only one that goes into WAV files in some depth is also the one written by a dead chicken. All I know is that they are more complicated than just storing the raw sound data in a file. Dunno more than that. Hey, it _was_ made by microsoft, so there could be _anything_ hiding in those extra bytes. :) __ /\ __ __\/__\/__ ~Chris \_||_/ http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ /__||__\ // \ | \\ "Let nothing bleed into nothing, and did nothing at all" \| Jim Matheos, Fates Warning, "A Pleasant Shade of Gray" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:36:09 -0400 From: "Jeremy P. Kube" To: email_address_removed Subject: So sad... Message-ID: I am sorrowed to know that Neil Pearts daughter was killed this past weekend. It's aweful that someone as talented and dedicated Neil would have to go through all of this, it really is. Well, sorrow is swift and recovery is speady. God Bless Selena. God Bless Neil and God Bless Rush. Lata, J ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 00:29:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski To: email_address_removed Subject: meters Message-ID: Saith Chris: > Anything where the top number is divisible by three (except three > itself) is a compound meter. Actually, in some texts, 3/8 is called a compound meter , but I would hardly call 3/8 compound and 3/4 simple. btw, I think Afterlife is all in 4/4, too. btw, since everyone is so sick of hearing about it i just thought I'd share my favorite part of the Fates Warning concert with y'all. I liked at the end of Part VI, when Ray sings: 1 - - - b3 - 5 4 - "So where do we be-gin b7 - b3 - 2 - 1-b7 - 1-5 - 5 - and what else can we say? 1 - - - b3 - 5 - 4-2 - 2 - When the lines are all drawn..." You know, normal natural minor/Aeolian mode kinda stuff. UNTIL...he gets here: b7-b3 - 2 - - 1-b7 - b3 - "What should we do..." OK, now any ordinary singer, any mere mortal would go back to 1 on the word today like on the recording. Not Ray. Ray Alder gave the audience a really strange look, and after an inordinately long pause Ray sang the word "today"--on b2. b2!!!!! Ha! It's as if he said, "How 'bout a little Phrygian mode to add some tension before part VII, people?!?!?!" I just about died! I was like, RAY RULES! see yous guys Steve Z ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 23:47:15 -0500 From: Chris Ptacek To: email_address_removed Subject: Fates Tomorrow Message-ID: Anyone going to Fates tomorrow, try to find me. I';; be the 6' tall dude with long brown hair and an autographed (on the back) grey Fates APSoG shirt! I SHOULD be way up front. I'll try to make Maddy wear her Ytsejam or scream.org QR shirt. Take care! Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC "Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 01:05:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fates Tomorrow Message-ID: On Sat, 16 Aug 1997, Chris Ptacek wrote: > Anyone going to Fates tomorrow, try to find me. I';; be the 6' tall dude > with long brown hair and an autographed (on the back) grey Fates APSoG > shirt! "What is this? You're gonna wear THIS to the show. You're gonna wear the shirt of the band you're gonna go see. Don't be that guy." - PCU, 1994 :) Brandon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 23:07:18 -0700 (MST) From: Fern Fryer! To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: So sad... Message-ID: On Sat, 16 Aug 1997, Jeremy P. Kube wrote: > > I am sorrowed to know that Neil Pearts daughter was killed this past > weekend. It's aweful that someone as talented and dedicated Neil would > have to go through all of this, it really is. Well, sorrow is swift > and recovery is speady. God Bless Selena. God Bless Neil and God Bless > Rush. Lata, J > > Uhm...well, I also give my condolances to the Peart family, but I am somewhat disturbed by your second line. A same event would be an awful thing to experience for anyone, regardless of their talent and/or dedication (I am assuming you are thinking of Neil's dedication to the band and his music. If you meant otherwise, I apologize). Neil is a great man, but also human like the rest of us. Fernando Ma Materials science & engineering University of Arizona http://bigdog.engr.arizona.edu/~ma "I like to work without contracts whenever possible. Contracts mean 'I don't trust you.'" - Victor Wooten ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 04:52:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "S. Borzilleri" To: Falling Into Livestock Subject: Horsies & Sheep Message-ID: I just heard a song by Beck that ends with a sample of Vai's horsey-noise from the end of "Bad Horsie." Atrocious. > From: "Vincent G. LuPone" > Subject: The jam is histerical :) > > Yeah, they...er...WE want you to shut up. No one gives a fuck > anymore. I'm still buying Bahr CDs. If you come up with some good > shit, like people say you have, e-mail me and let's talk :) Ask him if he has the electric version of Mike Bahr's self-crafted acoustic-guitar opus on Subconscious, the one that was first credited to John Petrucci, then credited to John Myung. Now THERE'S a real rarity, folks... > > Did the sheep like it too ? > > Yes I did. That was YOU in that costume, Vince?? Makes sense, I mean I was wondering why it kept going "ooh, whoah, dat feelsa so gooda..." > Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince This little tag just transforms all the acid blasting forth from Vince's mouth into a giant happy lovable waterfall of kool-aid, don't it? :) ---- > From: durnik > Subject: Brian and me > > Tornadoes in Gilbert? Yeah, that would explain his insane alternate picking. I KNEW that guy was possessed... ---- > From: "Korg Eksthrey" > Subject: Re: DT songs with strange time signature? > > Especially during that nifty part where it switches from 7/8 to 9/8 to > 13/16 to 7/8 to 12/8 to 9/8 to 5+7/8 in the space of 9 measures. heheh. Whoah, I'm gonna have to listen to this part again and find a good calculator... > Hello Mr. Caps Lock. Carpe Diem is a kind of scum sucking bottom heheheheh Itchy better be cataloguing this wildlife! I just read about "Nightmare Cinema," it sounded like a hilarious time! I wonder who was responsible for the collapse of "Perfect Strangers?" Maybe putting Myung on lead vocals wasn't such a good idea, huh? HE'S GOT NO VOICE, GENIUS!! Wait, Myung was doing keyboards...nevermind... Anyone who was there, how did it go over? Did each member play their instruments adequately or did someone/anyone sound really out of place? Or did they sound (ulp!) BETTER? Bafu Vai ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:09:34 +0200 From: Mark Bredius To: "'Ytsejam'" Subject: Online record stores and free cds Message-ID: Andrew Miller wrote : >> Has anyone dealt with CDNOW? I'm considering ordering something from >> them, but would first like to know if they are reliable or not. > > they're very good. i've ordered from them at least a dozen times in > the last year. quick service, very reliable. > and better prices than sam goody (even with s/h).... If you're going to order cds from CD Now *anyway*, *please* go there through http://cdnow.com/from=sr-223652 instead of http://cdnow.com/ :-> I'll get 5 % credit off of anything you spend. Free cd's for Itchy ! If you have a homepage, check out their Cosmic Credits Program. It's really cool :-)) Music Boulevard has a 5 % credit program *too* (RAM), but in the two months I've been in that program I've made about $0.50 through them. CD Universe also has a 5 % credit program, but I've only joined that one recently... Dunno if it's any good. If anyone knows *other* online record stores that have programs like that, let me know :-) Also, check out the following : > On behalf of Elektra Records, C Notes Interactive is offering one free > CD copy of PANTERA's "Official Live" and/or MOTLEY CRUE's "Generation > Swine" albums to all metal/rock webmasters who put up a prominent link > on their web sites to the PANTERA and/or CRUE web sites on elektra.com > > To qualify for this special promotion and retrieve the URLs, please > complete the form located at http://www.cnotes.com/webmaster1.html I think this one's US-only, though. I think Mike Bahr would agree with this Mark email_address_removed But like a needle in a haystack _ _____ ___ _ _ __ __ the truth gets so disguised |:||_.:._|/:._]|:]_[:|\.\_/./ in a kingdom built on madness and on lies. |:| |:| (.:(_ |:___:| \_::/ (Marillion, Holloway girl) |_| [_] \___]|_] [_| [__/ _________________________________________________________________________ Dream Theater online "Under A Cyber Moon" http://www.prognosis.com/dream/ Itchy's http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ H Website http://www.a-vip.com/H ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 07:51:18 -0600 From: "woot" To: Subject: Geoff Tate Message-ID: well I caught the QR concert on audionet.com last night, and while the sound sucked (real audio) it was good enough to hear that Geoff Tate's voice is really hurting. I heard he was sick, so maybe that's it, but I doubt it. He had trouble hitting tons of notes that weren't even the slightest bit "high." most of the high notes he didn't even attempt. All these ppl that have been posting about how he was still right on and everything have been fooling themselves. Word of advice: If you sing, don't smoke. woot, the unofficial spice girl slapping champion btw, if this seems a bit harsh it's cause GT had an awesome voice and it pisses me off that he wasted it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 97 15:09:41 GMT From: cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers) To: email_address_removed (Ytsejam Mailing List) Subject: Analog vs. Digital recording (NDTC) Message-ID: Someone mentioned that Digital recording is not favoured by some artists, mentioning Joe Satriani (and I can add Yngwie Malmsteen, who said this in an interview). Could a techie on this list please explain this, possibly in layman terms? In the end, both analog and digital recordings end up on a digital medium, so what's the 'advantage' of recording analog? To me, it seems like an excuse to have a lower recording budget (not intended as flame bait). -- /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | Richard Karsmakers cronos@worldaccess.nl | \--------------------------------------------------------------/ C.R.I.M.E. Development; "Twilight World" Magazine; WWW-MMM "ST NEWS" ST/TT/Falcon disk magazine; "Ultimate Virus Killer" Gwar FUQ & Atari ST Emulation FAQ maintainer P.O. Box 67, 3500 AB, Utrecht, Netherlands /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | "Keyboard not found. Press any key to continue." | \--------------------------------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 08:39:20 PDT From: "Don Compton" To: email_address_removed Subject: newie (kind of) Message-ID: Could someone please send me a private e-mail to email_address_removed on how to subscribe to ytsejam. I used to be on the ytsejam before at email_address_removed but due to circumstances, I had to change my e-mail address and now I really want to get back on the ytsejam. HELP! Thanks Don Compton ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2875 **************************