YTSEJAM Digest 2869 Today's Topics: 1) Fates in Cleveland by email_address_removed (John Emmons) 2) Japanese versions, Faq stuff and other crap by Mark Bredius 3) Fish Concert review in Cleveland's Scene Magazine by email_address_removed (John Emmons) 4) Last Tuesday, Fates at Mabel's Pt. 1. by Christopher Ptacek 5) by email_address_removed (Pat Sullivan) 6) Fates Review Pt 2. by Christopher Ptacek 7) CD encoding by NightCast 8) Fates at House of Blues Sunday by Christopher Ptacek 9) Re: Fates Review Pt 2. by Fern Fryer! 10) Unclassified: Angra Live and Andre Matos Voice by email_address_removed.au 11) CD and sampling tech by Chris Oates ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:58:17 +0100 From: email_address_removed (John Emmons) To: email_address_removed Subject: Fates in Cleveland Message-ID: Max, (and any other Cleveland Jammers wondering where the show is...) >Can anyone tell me what time the show starts, >or who to call for ticket information? Yes...the show is this Friday at Sidekicks (2139 Broadview Road) their phone is (216) 749-7555 and there should still be plenty of tickets left. I am not sure where Sidekicks is, but it is supposed to be "7 lights north of Brookpark road". Anyway, it should be a great show with all of ApsoG being played, though, be warned there are 3 other opening bands, so Fates may not go on until 11:00 or 12:00...but at least we get and hour + of music..for a reasonable price! Hope this helps all those Cleveland Jammers! Enjoy the show! Maria ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:24:36 +0200 From: Mark Bredius To: "'Ytsecrap'" Subject: Japanese versions, Faq stuff and other crap Message-ID: Carlos A. Alfaro wrote : > angels cry > chega de saussade (i think i spelled it right) Nope, it's Lasaude ;-) > my name is omer!!!!!!!!!!! > not homer!!!! Doh ! Steven C. Young wrote : > I still don't understand why Japan gets all of the good stuff first. Local releases are a lot more expensive than imports in Japan (weird but true). They have to release albums earlier in Japan, and make them a bit more special, in order to sell local copies at all. It sucks for people anywhere else, because they often have to pay through the nose to get the extra stuff :-/ Usually, the extra stuff is also released on the singles, though... Marillion's "This Strange Engine" has two extra unplugged tracks on the Japanese version... They were released later as bsides on the "Man of a Thousand Faces" single. The Japanese version of Fish' "Sunsets on Empire" has a bonus track that was also released on a single in the rest of the world. Of course, this is not always the case. Ytse-Elitist Eckie wrote : > Yeah, I'm the big mouth who said "read the faq" first. Ya got a > problem wit DAT!? Didn't tink so, foo! Seriously, I'm expecting > another barrage of questions like, > > What movie are the clips on A Change of Seasons from? Well, there's a sample from "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure" in there somewhere... Most of it was taken from "Wayne's World", though... > Is Derek Sherinian gay? Yeah. James LaBrie is his lover. That's how he got in the band. James' real first name is actually John... They figured three John's in the same band would be too confusing. James also considered using the name Kevin, so there'd be two John's and two Kevin's in the band. Mike Bahr was supposed to be the second Mike, when they considered him as the producer of Awake... > What does the symbol mean? Where did they get it? They got the symbol from a misprint of the WDADU cover, when they were still using the name Majesty. Some of the letters got printed over eachother... They kinda liked it and started using it as their symbol. It has no real meaning. > What's with the flaming heart? It's supposed to be one of those candy hearts... Kevin Moore used to set them on fire for fun. He once accidentally burnt down his parent's house that way. The barbed wire is kind of a warning for kids not to "try this at home". Chris Ptacek wrote : >> i need to make some of you understand something very very >> importent,and i hope that finaly someone will understand!!!!!!!!!!! > > Important to you, or important to me? No, he meant he's impotent. Bafu Vai wrote : > Boy, I remember my first time, oooh it was so good... Did the sheep like it too ? > From: Rocky Dean > To: email_address_removed > Subject: DT Parody "Wait for sheep" Fuck, I was just about to write a parody with that title... I'm still working on a porn version of Metropolis, though :-) It'll be called Wet-Throbolis :-)) Mark email_address_removed But like a needle in a haystack _ _____ ___ _ _ __ __ the truth gets so disguised |:||_.:._|/:._]|:]_[:|\.\_/./ in a kingdom built on madness and on lies. |:| |:| (.:(_ |:___:| \_::/ (Marillion, Holloway girl) |_| [_] \___]|_] [_| [__/ _________________________________________________________________________ Dream Theater online "Under A Cyber Moon" http://www.prognosis.com/dream/ Itchy's http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ H Website http://www.a-vip.com/H ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:12:56 +0100 From: email_address_removed (John Emmons) To: email_address_removed Subject: Fish Concert review in Cleveland's Scene Magazine Message-ID: There is a review of Fish's concert in Cleveland, Ohio in Scene magazine. If you are interested in reading it and also an interview with Alice Cooper, go to http://www.clevescene.com/ Click on the current issue and the review is under Livewire. The interview is listed separately. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:49:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Christopher Ptacek To: email_address_removed Subject: Last Tuesday, Fates at Mabel's Pt. 1. Message-ID: Fates Warning Review Pt. 1 (In 12 parts) ---------------------------------------- I dragged a good friend kicking and screaming to see Fates Warning in Champaign, IL this past Tuesday. It was a 2 hour drive from here in Chicago to the now deserted (summer session has ended and fall session begins in 2 or 3 weeks) U of I campus. We met up with a big time Rycher friend who lives on campus over the summer, and walked around, stepping over tumbleweed, and occasionally hearing the wind whistle through the vast, barren college campus. On the way down, I expected there to be a lot of people waiting for this show... the campus is usually extremely crowded, and this is the only bar in town that plays metal shows. I was mistaken. After waiting outside what looked to be a tiny little club for about an hour past when they said the doors should open, we were finally ushered in and carded (19 and over) to get in. The club was bigger on the inside than it seemed from the outside. The stage was acceptable, about 3' tall, and spanning from wall to wall. They had a desk at which a man was selling 2 Fates shirts, both a little disappointing, but also acceptable. One is Gray with blue lettering, saying "Fates Warning, a Pleasant Shade of Gray" on the front upper left (badge style) and in big letters on the back it said "Let Nothing Bleed into Nothing" on the top, and at the bottom, right over your ass, it says _This_ Shade of Gray, or something to that effect. The shirt seemed to have been designed by whoever designed the shirt Ray was wearing... his was green, and on the front, across the chest it said "Train of Thought" in yellow, and on the back it had "Deliberate" n big yellow letters printed right at the bottom, again, right over your ass. The grey shirt turned out to be the wiser shirt to buy... read on for why. The other shirt is black and long sleeved... it's a cooler looking shirt, with a new "Ford" looking Fates logo repeating down the right sleeve. Pretty similar in other aspects, as I recall. I'll be seeing them again on Sunday, so anyone who didn't get a shirt (I don't think they were offering them at some of the other shows) EMAIL ME, NOT THE LIST, at email_address_removed and place an order. As I said, the shirts are cool enough, but very little graphics (I vastly prefer the design of the Ytsejam T-Shirt). I will be happy to buy as many shirts as anyone needs, but in this situation, I can't mail them to you until I receive payment. Contact me for further details. We expected a lot from the opening band... we had heard rumors about this being some great prog band from a local town, and were pretty pumped. Disappointed that it wasn't Divine Regale, yes, but pumped nonetheless. Let me tall ya, folks, the band was called Hate Choir, and there is nothing worse. I would rather have been bleeding from my right nad all show than have to sit through that crap again. This band couldn't decide if they wanted to be D.R.I., Slayer, or Black Flag... whatever they were doing, they were doing it wrong. They repeatedly insulted the crowd for not enjoying their music (I use the term loosely) and played worse than anyone can imagine. This is beyond bad, folks. I am absolutely not shitting anyone about this, but during their set, I actually started thinking "I would rather be watching the Spice Girls live or Coolio live than this" and I started some creative visualization, in hopes that maybe I could make myself hear Spice Girls and see Spice Girls, and not have to endure this unpleasant shade od pain. They were too powerful... I failed. When the torture ended, one of the main guys in the Fates crew came down to us in the crowd and said in sort of a whisper, "What the fuck was that?" He didn't look like he was joking... he looked as though he truly didn't know. Unfortunately, I couldn't answer him... I didn't know for sure either. During the opening act a few more people came in and we almost had what looked like a crowd there, but I realized there were maybe 3 layers of people by the stage... the place was empty. I spotted Mark Zonder in the back of the room signing autographs, but figured they'd be on soon, so I left him alone, and kept my spot at center stage, fondling the left monitor (which I was pounding to pieces with my fists during the show). Fates came out shortly after, to some level of applause. During the sampled beginning of the song (Everything before the "So where do we begin" is sampled, like DT did with PMU and Metropolis when I saw them, to add effect when they come out on the stage) Ray took a disappointed look around the gathering, and said into the mic "Now don't yall crush each other to death out there." Jim Matheos looked depressed at the small number of people waiting for the show. We found out later that there were only 93 people in attendance. The sound effects built up to a peak and Ray said "Ooooooooh feel that tension building! Spooooooky!" just joking around. He was proving to be very good at getting a response from the crowd, even before he started singing. They broke full on into APSoG, and I have to say, I haven't been so impressed with an execution in my life. They sounded at parts JUST LIKE THE ALBUM, and at other parts BETTER. It was truly stunning. The band far exceeded my picky expectations. If you don't like Fates Warning, you should consider shelling out the $10 and seeing them on this tour, to see if that doesn't change your mind. It is something that I feel completely honored to have seen, not unlike the first wave of the G3 show in Chicago (Which was the show the guys all said in a Guitar Mag interview was their favorite). There's no way Dream Theater is better than this band. Maybe equal (I dunno) but no one is like this band, and no one I've ever seen has put on a better show. They had no fog, minimal lighting, and no tricks or anything... they made all of the effects with their instruments. The crowd of 93 startled the hell out of the band, because we were all completely raging and screaming at every break. It was pure energy in there. Mark Zonder commented later that it was the loudest 93 people he'd ever heard. Everyone there was a Fates fan, and everyone was singing along, especially during 11th Hour in the encore, when Ray held the Mic stand out above us. They continued through, and during the heavier songs, about a measure before Ray would come in, he'd run to the mic and go "BEEP" and just hop back grinning. We were just DYING. After a flawless performance of APSoG, the band stood there catching their breath, as we screamed for an encore. When the crowd calmed and Ray was about to speak, the guy next to me yelled "ONE MORE TIME!", and Matheos looked like he was gonna fall over laughing. I think they really appreciated the enormous crowd response... I think this music is being very poorly marketed. I think this could appeal to ANY fans of contemporary rock/alternative/prog/metal music. They played 5 more songs: Life in Still Water, Monument, We Only Say Goodbye, Face the Fear, and The Eleventh Hour, all of which were perfect, with the exception of the keys taking Frank's solos. The keys sounded great, but there's no way you can really replace a raging guitar solo with a keyboard solo. I've never heard a band pull that off well, and I've heard it attempted several times. I thought the keyboards and bass were excellent. Very well done. The guitars were even better, and the drums were amazing. Still, Ray shined above them all. Ray Alder is easily my favorite vocalist by a long shot. I think any of the Alder-haters on this list would change their opinions if they saw them on this tour. Full on AMAZING. I don't think I missed a word, singing along with the band. I was going completely psycho. I sang the LaBrie harmonies as loud as I could in Life in Still Water, and tried to add any harmonies that I didn't hear Joey Vera singing (he was the only one doing backing vocals). Stay Tuned... -- Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511 http://www.enteract.com (business) http://www.prognosis.com/madsman/ (my contribution to --------------------------------- the vast wealth of "To err is human... to suck out | underdeveloped one's brain with an orally | web sites) deployed flesh tube is not."-MS| **************** --------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 16:54:42 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Pat Sullivan) To: email_address_removed Message-ID: >6. contrary to what d. khoe said, i am not a "bootlegger". i tape > shows. I checked on the back of my ticket stubs for some concerts, and nearly all of them have a clause on there that says that taping or broadcasting the shows is illegal. But this is all just semantics, really. Call yourself a taper if you want, it's still bootlegging. I don't know why you attach such a negative connotation to *that word*. ----- _____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________________ E-mail: email_address_removed IRC: DDictator WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html NP: Drain STH - "Horror Wrestling" ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:50:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Christopher Ptacek To: email_address_removed Subject: Fates Review Pt 2. Message-ID: Equipment that I recall off the top of my head: Guitars: Ovation steel string acoustic (most of which sound the same) and a PRS blue flame maple top body, with the bird inlays. I'm sure there's a model name for the guitar, but I don't care. :) Couldn't tell if it was neck through body or bolt on. He played through a Mesa Boogie head (which he had mounted in a rack) and a bunch of effects. I'll try to write down all of the equipment at the show on Sunday. He also had two Mesa Boogie 4 X 12 cabs that looked like the older metal grilled Rectifier cabs, but the logo said Mesa Boogie, and the Rectifiers say Mesa Engineering, I believe. Drums: No change in the kit from the last time I saw it on a poster... I forget the brand... GMS or something like that. A ton of cymbals and several electronic pads (He uses these extensively on everything from Parallels through APSoG, and I wouldn't have enjoyed the show so much had the sounds been absent). Bass: Huge Ampeg cab, and about 3 or 4 different basses. The only one I recall clearly was a Fender with a maple neck. He was on the other side of the stage for most of the show. He did crack out the fretless for a few tunes. Keys: Two Ensoniq keybards. I'll be sure to write down the models during the next show... I was too busy being dazzled by FATES WARNING to pay that much attention to those details. After the show, we ran out to the bus, to try and beat them to it. We failed... they must have made a break for it. About twenty people gathered with us though, and we presented a compelling argument for the band to come out and say hi. One of the dudes in the crew came out, and we accosted him, "Are they coming out, or WHAT?!" He told us not to go anywhere. Ray popped out and said in a squeaky high pitched joking voice "Whassup, People!" and then told us he had to do a quick interview and that he'd be back. A couple college reporter type people hopped up on the bus, and people were all mocking them like "I'm cool. I have a magazine. Look at me, everyone!" The crew guy came out again, and gave out a limited number of 8 X 10 glossy promo pictures of the band, one of which I managed to snag. I got that, two cd inserts, and (the reason why the grey shirt is better than the black one) my shirt autographed by the whole band. I'll be scanning the promo picture and putting that online (particularly because I think Mr. Kizer's gonna want that for his page) so you can all check it out and learn how to forge their names. My voice was shot to hell when I was talking to the band, and I told Ray I didn't know how he did it every night, since I probably couldn't sing more than one octave by the time they finished their set. He said that he loses his voice all the time after shows, but you can sort of feel when you're doing damage and when you're just working your limit. I think we turned what they thought would be a dismal night into a memorable one for them. I was floored, and Fates will remain my favorite band. I didn't see any jammers at the show. Very disappointing. One guy there has been following the Fates newsgroup forever, and he took what had to be some AMAZING photos during the show. He said he'll be scanning them and putting them up on his page and on the newsgroup, so keep your eyes peeled in the next couple days. That's all! Thanks for reading! Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511 http://www.enteract.com (business) http://www.prognosis.com/madsman/ (my contribution to --------------------------------- the vast wealth of "To err is human... to suck out | underdeveloped one's brain with an orally | web sites) deployed flesh tube is not."-MS| **************** --------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:26:32 -0600 From: NightCast To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: CD encoding Message-ID: <01BCA8CA.910957A0@tron> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCA8CA.91127F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Well, you guys are missing something. We have heard that the new nasty >producer has watered things down, right ?? Well, a normal CD is = encoded >using 16 bits per sample. I figure that with the watering down, they >can probably pull it off using only, say, 13 bits per sample. If 16 >bits creates a maximum of 80 minutes per disk, then 13 bits would allow >for about (getting calculator out) 98.4 minutes. This 13 bit encoding >is how they will be able to fit an extra 18 minutes onto the disk >(Japanese only). =20 >I bet they tried to get it down to 12 bits per sample (which would have >been 26 extra minutes) and just couldn't do it. That is why they = didn't >even attempt to record Metropolis Part 2 in the studio. =20 Dude, what are you smoking? ALL CDs are encoded using 16 bits. CD = players can't handle anything else. Now DVD, on the other hand.. That'll be a whole new story. Assuming = audio DVD discs become a mainstream idea. I don't know if I could = imagine a 35 hour new DT release.. 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AAAeAEOACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA4hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgA9AAEAAAABAAAAAAAA AAMADTT9NwAAjgg= ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCA8CA.91127F60-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:03:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Christopher Ptacek To: email_address_removed Subject: Fates at House of Blues Sunday Message-ID: ***Warning. Blatant overuse of caps below. Warning*** ATTENTION FATES PEOPLE, AND PEOPLE WHO SORTA LIKE FATES, N STUFF ---------------------------------------------------------------- You must attend the show this Sunday, at House of Blues in Chicago. It will kill, and you will hurt, and you will love every damn minute of it. If you're on this list, you will LIKE THIS SHOW. E-Mail me if you're going to the concert. I'm considering organizing a get together here at my office either before or after the show. Right now, all I know is, myself and a few friends as well as the mighty Debbie Seeger will be there. Anyone else planning to attend, or anyone who needs a ride, LET ME KNOW! DON'T MISS WHAT MAY BE YOUR ONLY CHANCE TO EVER SEE APSOG PERFORMED LIVE! Mail: email_address_removed Carlo, it's time for an APSoG .sig, man. :) -- Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511 http://www.enteract.com (business) http://www.prognosis.com/madsman/ (my contribution to --------------------------------- the vast wealth of "To err is human... to suck out | underdeveloped one's brain with an orally | web sites) deployed flesh tube is not."-MS| **************** --------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:24:11 -0700 (MST) From: Fern Fryer! To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fates Review Pt 2. Message-ID: The Bass Rig: Ampeg Head Ampeg SVT (8x10, I'm pretty sure) Kramer Fretless (the one with the "metal fork headstock") Fender Jazz 5-string (looks like it had a Precision body up close though.) Fender 4-string (I think)... Several pedals (probably Chorus, EQ and noise gate) Fernando Ma Materials science & engineering University of Arizona http://bigdog.engr.arizona.edu/~ma "I like to work without contracts whenever possible. Contracts mean 'I don't trust you.'" - Victor Wooten ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:13:17 +1000 From: email_address_removed.au To: email_address_removed Subject: Unclassified: Angra Live and Andre Matos Voice Message-ID: Someone asked about the closest person to a genius, Andre Matos, about his voice live. I was a little disappointed with the sound quality on 'Holy Live', but the vocals still sounded great. I doubt it very much if Andre does any studio overdubs, I have a video of him at a club show from the 'Angels Cry' tour and despite the bad quality his voice is spot on and hit those high notes with ease (specially during 'Wuthering Heights') and does killer versions of Maiden's 'Flight Of Icarus' and 'Wasted Years'. I have a CD boot called ' The Gates Of Holy Land' and Andre sounds great on that too, but the boot is really not worth buying, cept for the great cover of Manowar's 'Manowar'. gRaham. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 17:43:46 -0700 From: Chris Oates To: email_address_removed Subject: CD and sampling tech Message-ID: Okay, I haven't read up on the specifics of the tech, so I'm pulling most of this out of my butt: I've never heard of a CD encoded at anything other than 16-bit, 44.1Khz. I think thew original post about increasing the length of a CD by using 13-bit encoding was a JOKE. Yes, you can save memory when sampling to a hard drive, but an audio CD must be at 16/44.1 The whole debate over "resolution" vs "sampling rate" is kind of silly. Both contribute to overall sound quality in equal measure. Imagine if you graph out your sound wave on paper, with time in the x direction (as is usually done) -- sampling rate is your x resolution, and the number of bits (often called resolution) is your y resolution. Increasing the bits allows for smoother curves since you have a creater number of values for the aplitude of the wave, and increasing the rate allows for higer pitched sounds to be heard, since pitch is directly related to frequency, and you need at least 2 samples per wave period to be able to hear the sound. So, at 44.1 Khz, the highest frequency encoded is in the 22Khz range, and so on. Also, a 4x burner will not decrease the sound quality of an audio CD produced. Remember, CD burners were made originally for burning computer data, which, unlike audio data, needs to have 100% accuracy. You can overlook a small glitch in audio data and not even notice the difference, but an error in your hard drive backup and things no longer work. Now, early 4x burners mayu be more prone to errors, and thus result in more bad copies that have to be thrown away, but the good ones will sound exactly the same as the original. It's a digital copy, after all. __ /\ __ __\/__\/__ ~Chris \_||_/ http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ /__||__\ // \ | \\ "Let nothing bleed into nothing, and did nothing at all" \| Jim Matheos, Fates Warning, "A Pleasant Shade of Gray" ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2869 **************************