YTSEJAM Digest 2867 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Attention... by Adam 2) Re: Gnaaaaarg by Brandon Elhai 3) Past Life of Derek Sherinian by email_address_removed 4) Copying services... Brian Cox, etc. by durnik 5) Lars-does-himself Hell-sten-like-an-idiot by email_address_removed 6) Re: Attention... by Rick Audet 7) Upcoming Fish/Marillion shows in Bay Area by Scott Luttringer 8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2863 by Steve Zebrowski 9) Re: on to another fave subject..... by email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) 10) Re: on to another fave subject..... by email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2866 by "Paul Matthews" 12) Re: on to another fave subject..... by email_address_removed 13) Bits & Bytes by gra@provida.no 14) QUEESRYCHE/LIVE@AUIDIO NET by "Randy Shewey" 15) Gluetoeskinouch by Chris Ptacek 16) flaming heart by ~ME~ 17) Re: DT Parody "Wait for sheep" by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 23:43:59 -0400 From: Adam To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Attention... Message-ID: >Tools for becoming a seasoned YtseJammer: > 2. A dictionary of the English language (so you can > look up such words as "carpe diem".) Hmmmm... That dictionary might help more if it were in the same language "carpe diem" is in. Last time I checked, it wasn't English. :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Adam Pye (Alpine) Mindspring Technical Support email_address_removed http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone (Above URL for bootlist w/ setlists) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 23:44:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Gnaaaaarg Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, Christopher Ptacek wrote: > That's simply not fully the case. He has part of DT allowing him to do the bootlegs. > Not all of the band. I don't care that the bootlegs exist, and I don't care that people tape > shows... but keep the facts straight. Some people just WANT to believe some things, and > ignore reality. As I said in my previous post, I am aware of this. But don't you think if the other guys REALLY had a problem with Mike Bahr, they would've stopped him by now? John Petrucci can tell Mike to stop doing CDs. > And yes, I have bought Bahr boots. I'll have to get those. I only have Myung boots. Brandon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 23:51:47 -0700 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Past Life of Derek Sherinian Message-ID: Hola, ***Disclamer: I am not sure if anyone has posted this before and I am currently without Internet access, so I can't check the FAQ. Please forgive me in advance if this is repeat info.*** If you are interested in some of Derek's past work, check out "Alice Cooper Trashes the World". This is a music video filmed in Birmingham, England, during the 'Trash' world tour (1990). Derek plays keyboards with Alice's band. (Also some great guitar work from Al Pitrelli). Just a tidbit, Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:12:59 -0700 (MST) From: durnik To: email_address_removed Subject: Copying services... Brian Cox, etc. Message-ID: OK, we gotta be fair to Brian here. I've seen his boot lists. They're _immense_. The plain fact is that in trading circles, chances are he's gonna already have everything most people have to offer. It doesn't make sense for him to do the work of copying to get nothing when he could be trading with people that DAT their own shows, so that's what he does. There's nothing right or wrong about it, it's just the way it is. Does it frustrate me that he has a zillion King's X and Galactic Cowboys shows taped that I don't have? Sure it does. Do I therefore post to the Jam that he's an asshole, or do I try to tape KX and GC when they come through town and then offer the trade of the clones? (assuming I had a second DAT recorder, that is). I choose the latter. For those of you who haven't the time or inclination to build a huge boot collection, and this is most people, the CD boots are generally plenty of entertainment. Once you start getting every rinky dink show on tape, you get kinda bored hearing the same old setlists over and over again. BTW thanks to those who mailed corrections on the Advanced Boot Guide to Dream Theater... I'm making those corrections and adding the updated version to my page this week. Plus I'm adding the You Not Me mp3 file in case anyone has a hard time getting through at decent speed to the Doc's site or to Swifty's. - Mike Bahr - email_address_removed - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:35:46 -0700 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Lars-does-himself Hell-sten-like-an-idiot Message-ID: Hi everyone, > From: Rick Audet > Subject: Re: Dick-shun-ary > Lars Hellsten screamed, > >> 2. A dictionary of the English language (so you can > >> look up such words as "carpe diem".) > > > >1. "carpe diem" is two words, so it should be "carpe" and "diem"... > >2. IT'S FUCKING LATIN DUMBASS!!!!!!! DIE!!!!!!! RRARRRRRRRRRGHH!!! > > Hey smart guy, look how I wrote it: there's a space between "carpe" and > "diem". Looks like two words, don't it? Yeah, I thought so. Now that I made > that clear, open up your American Heritage Dictionary and tell me if this > *two-word-concatenation* (is that specific enough for you smart guy?) is > listed in there. Is it? Well? Oh, you don't *have* a dictionary? That's > okay. Go buy one, then get back to me. I'll help out Lars if you don't mind Rick. Hmm, let's see if carpe diem is in the ol' Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary from 1973... car-pe di-em n.[L, enjoy the day]: the enjoyment of the pleasures of the movement without concern for the future 1. It is listed as one phrase. [phrase is the key word there] 2. IT'S FUCKING ENGLISH(english phrase, that is) DUMBASS!!!!!!! DIE!!!!!!! RRAARRRRRRRRRGHH!!! See how weird your post was Lars...Well, I do! :0 > You're being a dick. What you mean he isn't playing around? And all this time...I thought from his very first post he was just fooling...Just goes to show you...That some people don't have a dictionary in your ass. In the above example I'm the one without the dictionary up his ass. While a nameless other does. Not because they didn't look up carpe diem, but rather because they acted like they had an alien anal probe up their ass! South Park rules!! What did you say? Uh...rabbits eat lettuce. Oh, that's true. John McCabe email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:24:02 -0700 From: Rick Audet To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Attention... Message-ID: Adam Pye commented unabrasively: >>Tools for becoming a seasoned YtseJammer: >> 2. A dictionary of the English language (so you can >> look up such words as "carpe diem".) > >Hmmmm... That dictionary might help more if it were in the same language >"carpe diem" is in. Last time I checked, it wasn't English. :) A Lesson In Common Dictionaries of the English Language "Class, today we're going to look at something special about this delightful tool we call the Dictionary. The special thing is that the language happens to make use of many other languages. Jimmy, can you think of another language that might find its way into the English language?" "Um......French?" "That's very good Jimmy. French finds it's way in words and phrases such as 'Voyeur', 'Entre Nous', and 'R.S.V.P. (Respondez s'il vous plais)'." "Sarah, can you think of another language that finds its way into the English language?" "Let's see.....how about Latin?" "Sarah, very good. Yes class, the English language also has Latin words and phrases in it, and one very important one is 'Carpe Diem'. And Sarah, do you know what that means, without peeking onto your English Dictionary for the answer?" "Does it mean 'Seize the day'?" "Sarah! *Very* impressive. What else to you know about this term?" "Well, it happens to be the title of Part III of a kick-ass tune by Dream Theater entitled 'A Change of Seasons'. I have the fucking CD right here, along with my fucking Carpe Diem bootleg made by fellow YtseJammer Marcel Berkhout. This shit kicks some serious ass!" Have a nice day, and read your dictionaries. Rick Audet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:55:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Luttringer To: YTSE JAM DIGEST Subject: Upcoming Fish/Marillion shows in Bay Area Message-ID: Anyone in the Bay Area who is interested in or already planning to attend either the Fish show, or the Marillion one, please let me know. I plan to be at both shows, and I would like to arrange a gathering of locasl jammers before the shows. Both shows are in San Francisco. Fish is on Saturday August 24 @ Slim's Marillion is on Tuesday August 26th @ The Fillmore I already have a couple people who are interested in a get together before the Fish show, and hopefully a few more will want to come along. You can reach me at email_address_removed Scott -/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/- Scott Luttringer email_address_removed tape trader: http://cafe.berkeley.edu/~jason/scott/dt_trade.html/ -/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 01:11:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2863 Message-ID: Concerning, ytseplates: > > Subject: Bafu / license plates > > Anybody got any more? I think they have to be 8 letters or less, > > at least in NY. AND... > Some attitional ideas for personalized DT plates... > > SILNTMAN > COTNAWEB > KILLNHND > SURRNDED > PULMENDR > YTSEJAMR > YOUNOTME > RAZKNIFE > > ..and of course.... > > TRASHCAN 8^) Those are pretty cool, but here in Mary Land I think you have to limit yourself to 7 letters unless at least one of them is an "I." Anyway, I just hope no one steals my idea : DRMTH8R This means you, Jason Hartman! :) > > VINDALOO > If I saw this one, I'd think it was from a Red Dwarf fan first, then > think of DT :). > > Dale R. Newberry YES! I fucking LOVE Red Dwarf! Steve Z ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 00:32:08 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) To: Subject: Re: on to another fave subject..... Message-ID: > metallica! got load from the library.....and it ain't that bad! > Shit Partha, after reading that post, I felt like giving Load another listen and ended up listening to it the whole day. It's always like that for me. If there's a CD i don't get into at first, and I TRY to like it, i don't. Then a year later a suddenly start liking it. Happened w/ 'Brave' as well. And the ironic thin is, the only songs I liked were Mama Said and Until it Sleeps:)) And I just saw a tentative list for the next CD and it has Devil's Dance (which is quite heavy:) and a Gemini 'trilogy' and an instrumental.... i'm curious:) >so i made a mistake!!!!!!!! >so what? i'm human,no? >but i have an important point to make to you guys: >i wrote to the jam i think like 15 times,and nobody bothered to >mention my name,only when i started to yelled on you,you dedicated a >whole digest on me!!!! ]From the first post you made, you wrote things like, "Listen to what I have to say, It is very important" and using a lot of !!!!!!! (which in English is equivalent to shouting, in case you didn't know) and telling evrybody (oin your first post) that DT can't write lyrics. I don't know how it is in your language, but in English that comes out very rude. Simply writing something like : "I'm really intersted in getting a Ytsejam shirt. Could someone tell me where I could get one?" would have gotten you a lot more answers. ~Ernie decided to use Eckie's .sig today > I think it's a case of the devin townsend syndrome...lemme 'splain... > Back when working man (MC rush tribute) came out, I didn't buy it > immediately, no local stores had it for a coupla weeks, etc,etc..... > So, for about a month, I heard and saw reviews, and the common thread thru > most of it was how bad devin townsend totally screwed up natural science > > so, when i finally got the disc, I was expecting the most horrible idiotic > vocal performance ever recorded.....maybe it was because my expectations > were so low, but I really enjoyed his take on NS, he really put his own > style (which i later discovered on vai's S&R) on that song, and it's > probably my fave vocal performance on "working man" > > and a similar thing is probably happening with me listening to load right > now......y'all got me expecting to hate this album so badly, this > basically solid piece of music is sounding pretty cool to me.....or maybe > it's just that I've gotten over the point of listening to metallica ONLY > for their agression and power......hell, maybe I'm growing up? nahhhhh, > couldn't be........ :) > > about bahr....hell, i prolly lost my objectivity on the guy about when > antiquities came out.....maybe it's because i am NOT a musician (years of > violin long in the past now) that I don't have the same concerns as led > Brian Wherry (if you haven't got his demo, why the fuck not?) to post > about Mike Bahr.....so I am led by my fan's and consumer's instinct to get > anything by my favorite bands rather than by concern for their artistic > rights......unfortunate, perhaps, and I'll apologize to any musician > offended by this attitude.......but as a fan of the music and not > necessarily the people (think on that before you flame.....how many of you > actually know the band members and care about them beyond what music they > make for you?), that's just who I am....... > > i'd stand for a few comments on this attitude....please send them > privately, tho, to email_address_removed > > partha > > BUY WHERRY'S DEMO NOW! > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 00:48:22 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) To: Subject: Re: on to another fave subject..... Message-ID: yikes! i fergot to delete the rest of the quotes on that post... sorry Ernie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:09:14 +1000 From: "Paul Matthews" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2866 Message-ID: > hmm i do.. but..did you have to quote the whole 2 messages?!?!?! > Lucky ascii characters aren't a limited resource... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 23:12:42 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: on to another fave subject..... Message-ID: > ~Ernie decided to use Eckie's .sig today > OOF! I saw that 'n went, "Shit! When did I write...ahhhh...." DAMMIT! You got my li'l metalhead brain bunched up in knots! >8^D ~Eckie's juss goin' blind...he should stop "practicing his rhythm" ala Portnoy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 08:28:47 +0100 From: gra@provida.no To: email_address_removed Subject: Bits & Bytes Message-ID: The Doc: >Bits have nothing to do with resolution, bits are for dynamic range, it's >the 44.1khz that has to do with resolution... 44.1khz PCM is what takes >up the CD space... Oh, but they do. Check this out: You want one minute with 16 bit stereo, 44.1 KHz sampling reate and no compression. Ok: 16bit * 44.1K sr * 2 (stereo) = 1.411.200 bits/s As you know 1 byte = 8 bits, this gives: 1.411.200 / 8 = 176.400 bytes/s 1 minute of this will occupy: 60 * 176.400 = 10.584.000 bytes Ok, now for the 13 bit: 13bit * 44.1K sr * 2 = 1.146.600 bits/s 1.146.600 / 8 = 143.325 bytes/s 1 min: 143.325 * 60 = 8.599.500 bytes By reducing the bit-rate from 16 to 13 you'll get 1.984.500 bytes/min less space occupied on the disc. Of course the SR also will give a byte reduction, but all on the cost of sound quality. (You can try this out by sampling 1 min with different SR / Bit res on your sound card) Some good news (Er, for me that is ... ) I went to my local CD shop, and FII is out in Norway 22th of Sep. Whooa! I'm getting the FII a whole day + additional 6 hrs (Time zone) in advance of you US / Canadians (East cost). -.profile ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 04:44:25 UT From: "Randy Shewey" To: email_address_removed Subject: QUEESRYCHE/LIVE@AUIDIO NET Message-ID: Yo Jammies, just heard that audionet is broadcasting Queensryche live on saturday august 16th from Dallas, Tx. at 8:00 ct all ya need is real audio. Audionet is at www.audionet.com see ya !!! R.S. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 02:10:11 -0500 From: Chris Ptacek To: email_address_removed Subject: Gluetoeskinouch Message-ID: >From: Seroussi >Subject: jam #2857 > >> Hey, could someone please send me jam #2857? I never got it, and, I >> would like to have it. >sorry, this was a special limited edition digest, only to the dedicated >bahr fans...I guess you just don't deserve getting one, sorry... Hahahahah! >From: "S. Borzilleri" >Subject: Air & Bahr > >> Hey, could someone please send me jam #2857? I never got it, and, I >> would like to have it. > >Ytsejam #2857 doesn't exist. But I think Mike Bahr is offering bootlegs of it for about $12... :) Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC "Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 17:32:25 +1000 (EST) From: ~ME~ To: email_address_removed Subject: flaming heart Message-ID: > In fact, the flaming >heart from Images and Words was a direct copy of the SHJ. SHJ ?? what is this... thats all -zajk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 01:10:12 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: DT Parody "Wait for sheep" Message-ID: *cackle* Right on! But ya gotta admit, That was B A A A A A A A A D. ~Eckie grins sheepishly ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2867 **************************