YTSEJAM Digest 2784 Today's Topics: 1) Church music... by Steve Zebrowski 2) Howard Stern by Frank Benenati 3) Scarred interpretation, tape swap by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." 4) RE: My interpretation of drum kit size by email_address_removed 5) Re: Scarred, Growling hairy Ernesto :) by "Vincent G. LuPone" 6) it's been a long while by Huichi Yap 7) Myung's Stick by "Chairface" 8) Fates at Club Kaos 8.22.97 by "Yanos Aldron" 9) Meters and Scales by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) 10) DTDT by "Trevor W. Hoit" 11) GBS by gra@provida.no 12) Re: Queensryche in Cleveland by email_address_removed 13) Pachelbel & Time Sigs by "S. Borzilleri" 14) Europe... etc... scales... notes... by Sebastjan Videc 15) Re:Magna Carta "tribute" albums by email_address_removed (Wade J. Womack) 16) FW show in Philly by Marc Contrady ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 00:29:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski To: email_address_removed Subject: Church music... Message-ID: > One measure of 12/8 can be easily counted by thinking of it as 2 measures > of 6/8. That's how I got through "Oh Holy Night" at a Christmas Concert > last year as the solo instrument. The version I was playing was in 12/4 time. > > Dude, play church music for a few years, man does it help! Amen. (pun intended) He's not kidding. Singers, guitarists, pianists, anyone. The practice is great. Whether you're singing cheesy contemporary church music, Bach chorales, or the Faure/ requiem, you're going to learn quite a bit from all the time you have to put into it. Even instrumentalists can benefit from singing in a church choir . Plus, if you can find a paying church gig it's a good, steady way to make some dough. :) > Can anyone tell me the most common time signatures used by DT? Sure: 4/4. :) Also 6/4, 9/8, 12/8, 5/4. Mike Portnoy has said that one of his favorite sime sigs is 11/8. Steve Z ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 00:48:47 -0400 From: Frank Benenati To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Howard Stern Message-ID: ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC9702.3424FFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Mr. Portnoy talks about it a small bit in the interview.... > who knows, maybe if call in the show, we can get them on > the show, since a few of them are from Long Island, where=20 > Howard lives, when the next album is released..... You know...that would be cool...except for one thing...=09 =09 Howard Stern Sucks balls.... He's the type of guy that would invite you into the studio...say all = sortsa cool shit about you, while you're on the air...and then the next = day...go on a tyrade about how much of a dick you were....Leave Howard = for the fools that don't know any better....or better yet...leave Howard = to suck off Metallica the next time they roll through NYC... 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S.W.I.F.T.Y." To: email_address_removed Subject: Scarred interpretation, tape swap Message-ID: > "30 year's say we're in this together" > considering that JP's about 30 yres old, it could only mean it's one of his > parents. > and the lines following this one up till the second chorus also throw me > off. Does anyone have a clue? I certainly don't, but I'm gonna take a stab at it anyway. I think that the "30 years" part refers to the speaker and the significant other he/she is talking to. I have always thought that the speaker was saying that he was "betting," for lack of a better word, that the two of them would be together for a long time, hence the "30 years" line, and "so open your eyes" is a plea for the other person to realize that. The whole song seems to go along with this idea, to me. As far as the next few lines, "People in prayer for me/Everyone there for me," that seems to refer to the person's friends who think that he/she is beating a dead horse by trying to make this relationship work. Just don't shave your car for a few months, and growl a lot, and things will turn out ok :) In case you haven't noticed yet, there is a potentially wonderful tape swap brewing. Details are at http://www.auburn.net/~swifty/tapeswap.html If you want to see a fantastic "Got Milk?" picture featuring Mike Tyson, go to http://www.auburn.net/~swifty/index.html You won't be disappointed :) Mark Peters email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 02:17:33 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: My interpretation of drum kit size Message-ID: My theory is The bigger The Better!! I have a large set and i find that i am far more versetile on a biger set then a smaller becuase of the amount of options and sounds i can get. ok bye My Drum Web Page. http://members.aol.com/DrummerEsh/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 23:44:14 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Scarred, Growling hairy Ernesto :) Message-ID: The subject line should've been: Re: Bafu Vai and ass-biting (fwd) :) At 08:09 PM 7/22/97 -0700, you wrote: >The Mirror.... betrayal and stuff. But a couple of lines throw me off: > >"Won't let them rape me again, you're venom's not family here, > won't let them fill me with fatalistic remedies." > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ WOW! I thought the line was: "Won't let them feel me with their elastic rubbernads." You've got to admit it fits the song!! >"30 year's say we're in this together" > >considering that JP's about 30 yres old, it could only mean it's one of his >parents. Maybe it was speculatory of a long marriage? Maybe the song is about the betrayal of adultery, and how the other spouse is left scarred. >"Excuse me sir, why do you have hair all over your car?" > >"GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!" > >:) >Ernie I think we is found Ernie a sig file :) Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/6933 | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 00:10:44 +0000 From: Huichi Yap To: email_address_removed Subject: it's been a long while Message-ID: Hi, I unsubscribe before I went on vacation, I got back and found out that FW is coming to Phoenix next Monday. That's SO AWESOME!!!!!!!!!! huichi ps. good to be back ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 02:13:27 +0000 From: "Chairface" To: email_address_removed Subject: Myung's Stick Message-ID: Maybe JM got the Chapman Stick because he was jealous of JP having more strings on his guitar :). Dale R. Newberry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 00:10:19 -0700 From: "Yanos Aldron" To: Subject: Fates at Club Kaos 8.22.97 Message-ID: So FW is playing up here in Northern CA on 8.22.97. Since there were about 5 jammers at the Enchant gig we went out to Denny's afterward and talked for a while (a long while considering what transpired with the service in that F'ing restaraunt freak show!) Anyway, the 5 of us thought it would be cool to meet again but before the show. There is a TEX-MEX chow shop around the corner from the club (walking distance) that we could go to prior to the show after we meet at Club Kaos...what do those planning to attend think...any takers? Email me with any questions or reservations...i think i should call in advance to reserve a table for us even if 5 of us go so please think about it and let me know...i will continue to ask up until the week before the show. cheers- yanos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 97 09:27:53 +0200 From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed.de Subject: Meters and Scales Message-ID: Hi all just thought I'd better straighten out a couple of points that have been getting a lot of attention in the last Jams: 1. Scales are commonly found either on fish or on bathroom floors. 2. Meters are the metric alternative to yards. I hope that has cleared everything up for all of you. Does anybody else have a sneaking suspicion that the new Dream Theater album is being promoted by Derek's keyboard supplier? Will the next album after the new one be called 'Rising Into JP100'? Somebody mentioned rumours of Vauxdvihl splitting - if that's true, it would suck more than a black hole. Any more info about this amazing band would be greatly appreciated. Maybe it's because I tend to like the darker sides of music, but these guys urinate on many of the bands mentioned here from a great height. As the proctologist's wife said as he left for work "have a nice day at the orifice". stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: Cemetary Of Scream - Melancholy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 00:54:04 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'DT'" Subject: DTDT Message-ID: Well, not really a DTDT, but something to do while incredibly bored. Type an M (or use the one below if you're lazy) then place your email cursor directly over it. Then imagine a circle around it and it kind of looks like the ytse-symbol. M Then, get a life. Trevor "If life is a waste of time, and time is a waste of life, then let's all get wasted and have the time of our lives." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:12:38 +0100 From: gra@provida.no To: email_address_removed Subject: GBS Message-ID: >From: Pedro Filipe >The 3 Best Guitarists Of The Whole World: >1-Steve Vai >2-John Petrucci >3-Joe Satriani >Am I right? nope, period. Deep Dream Theater Thought: Uhh, what if all DT members had like, uhh, NO BALLS ?? Then they would be like uhh... the worlds greatest (and only) chick prog band !!! Imagine all the drooling guys at every gig !! Whoaaa............. More general bullshit soon to come from the one and only: .profile ......... [btw, Hanson kicks shitloads of asses, Mmmmmmbop !!!!] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 04:41:59 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Queensryche in Cleveland Message-ID: >Yes, the Queensryche club show at the Odeon was cancelled today, but >WMMS is claiming that the Blossom show is scheduled to go on as planned >on Tuesday, but it all depends on Geoff's recovery. I went to the Blossom show last night, and Geoff sounds better on an "off night" than most singers sound on a good night. I also saw QR in Toledo last Tuesday, and the Cleveland setlist was changed to accomodate Geoff's laryngitis. Regardless, the band's performance was amazing, and I hope to catch them for their rescheduled Columbus date. >I had tix for the Odeon show and I'm mega-bumming, but I was really glad to hear >Scott announce that the whole band will be personally autographing all of the >Odeon show tickets and WMMS will be sending them to all of the winners!! I have mixed emotions about these types of shows. When Metallica played the Odeon in February, I was pissed that only radio contest winners could attend, and not fan club members or winners of other forms of contests (record store, music store, etc.). When people who win tickets out of sheer boredom or luck get to attend these shows, and a fan who has singles, imports, boots, etc doesn't, that's when I have a problem. Don't get me wrong, I know true fans like yourself deserve to go this show, it just irks me when people who only know "Silent Lucidity" get to go also. >Queensryche a truly dedicated to their fans and it really shows. They >are one of the true class acts in rock!! Damn straight. I got to meet them after the show in Toledo, and they were extremely down to earth. Eddie Jackson is a really cool guy. I met them before last night's show, and asked Geoff what it was like to be on Politically Incorrect, to which he replied, "It was fun, they invited me again." Let's just hope there are less politicians next time. I also talked to Michael Wilton about Coltrane and Miles, and Scott informed me that he switchd to Pearl drums before this tour started. Like other musicians I've met, namely Page Hamilton, Doug Wimbish, and Matthew Sweet, QR is truly a class act. >I hope you Blossom people enjoy the show ... Done and done. And I mean done. Miles away, Jack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 03:16:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "S. Borzilleri" To: Dream Thespians Subject: Pachelbel & Time Sigs Message-ID: Time .sigs hahaha end your post with a big fat 4/4, beeeotch. > From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) > Subject: DTDT's, or DDTT's or whatever you want to call them > > How could anyone be moved by Feeah? I saw her the other day, and > DAAAYMN she be ugly! > > (that ones quite lame, but I just want to see who gets it:) Lol, ernie. LOL. I should try this stuff sometime. > Huh-huh. Well, there's Portnoy's log, and Myung's stick.... what's > next, Petrucci's whammy bar? ;) Man. I am never gonna look at my floating tremolo the same way again. ---- > From: Steve Zebrowski > Subject: music and stuff... > > Now that i think about it, doesn't Blues Traveller use the same chord > progression in "Hook"? In that case, I guess it DOES bring you back. > :) Hey now, it's one thing to use a chord progression. The one in Pachelbel's Canon is actually very popular because, well, it works. You can make a great song out of it. But, where was I...OH YES, it's another thing to have a string orchestra playing a piece, and instead of taking up the lead violin you start RAPPING over it. When did people decide that RAPING classical music was a good idea? I'm sorry, did I misspell something there? :) > Simple Meter: > > Simple meter is when the beat unit can be most easily divided into 2 > equal parts. > Compound meter: > > Compound meter is when the beat unit can be most easily divided into 3. Ron Thal meter: Ron Thal meter is when the beat unit is cast aside and 11 notes are crammed into an otherwise normal 4/4 tempo. 11/4 time usually causes the hemispheres of the brain to start arguing, which proves that Ron Thal is uni-brained. Racer X meter: Racer X meter is a fancy way of saying 16/16. It demands that all instruments play sixteenth notes, and none can be changed to eighths or quarters under any circumstances. > Then, you can get into synthesized modes. If you use the > characteristic pitches of different modes together, you get a > synthesized scale. For example, if I take the #4 of Lydian, and the b7 > of Mixolydian, you get the synthesized mode called Lydo-Mixolydian Mode. > Or, as I like to say Mix-a-few-of'em Mode. :P This is just sick. It's sick that you know this. Bafu Vai ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:59:25 +0200 From: Sebastjan Videc To: "No religion, just music and DT" Subject: Europe... etc... scales... notes... Message-ID: <33D5E40D.D87823B@uni-mb.si> On this subject: > Take Mixolydian: g a h c d e f g ... I'm from Europe... The fact is that in my country(Slovenia http://www.ijs.si/slo) the note H is english(american) B, where our B is english(american) bB. That's the whole point. So C major(my country) is C D E F G A H C, ^ as opposed to english(american) where it's C D E F G A B C ... ^ So if I try to play some music that's written(notes) in english(american) style, I have to play B as my H, and bB as my B. For example : F major(my ver.) F G A B C D E F F major(eng. ver) F G A bB C D E F. nothin' to worry 'bout though... Take care all, Seb! -- /--------------------------------#---------------------------------\ / Sebastjan Videc [StDeVil] | Sebastjan.Videc@uni-mb.si \ #---------------------------------#----------------------------------# \ http://tferi4.uni-mb.si/~videc | I once could see but now at last / \_______(under construction)_____#__________I'm blind (KM)_________/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 06:24:32 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Wade J. Womack) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re:Magna Carta "tribute" albums Message-ID: >I thought the RUSH tribute was so cool, that when I the YES tribute CD in the >used bin, I didn't even think twice. Well, as it turns out, I think it's >rather boring. I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on any of the >other Magna Carta tribute CDs. ----------------------------- I guess that we will have to agree to disagree about the MC Yes tribute (Hey, what a cool name for a rap group :) ). I think that it is great, and really like the different interpretations, given most of the tracks. IMHO Starship Trooper is the weakest song - Wakeman Jr. (Adam) does a good job on the keys, but the singers heavy metal stylings don't fit the music. Turn of the Century is one of the most beautiful pieces of music ever recorded, and the duet of Steve Howe and Annie Haslem, make it even more so. The Genesis tribute is outstanding. Magellan does a killer rendition of "Mama" (never one of my favorites, in its' original form). The Pink Floyd tribute is good, but a little to faithful to the original. The Tull tribute kicks ass! I was pleasently suprised by this one. Again, Magellan does a great job on two of the tracks. John Wetton and Echolyn are cool, also. All-in-all, a fine package of tributes. I hope that a MC Kansas tribute is in the works, and that MC returns to their original formula of using the young prog bands from their own label, instead of relying so heavily upon the more established, well known artists. My 2 cents worth! Wade ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 05:13:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Contrady To: email_address_removed Subject: FW show in Philly Message-ID: Anyone from Philly or Philly area going to the FW show on the 10th? I was wondering where the Troc is? How to get there, etc. E-mail me if you can help. Thanks. Marc Contrady email_address_removed ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2784 **************************