YTSEJAM Digest 2743 Today's Topics: 1) when dream and day unite,we must do something!!!!!!! by email_address_removed.il 2) Re: when dream and day unite,we must do something!!!!!!! by Carlos Alfaro 3) Heh heh heh. by email_address_removed 4) A cool MEGADETH moment :P by "Vincent G. LuPone" 5) ASSPOG by "Adam Cook" 6) Re: when dream and day unite,we must do something!!!!!!! by "Eric LaRue" 7) Eric Johnson and Steve Miller by "James E. Thorpe" 8) Happy birthday wishes by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." 9) Re: New Tourniquet/FW by "Dale R. Newberry" 10) Bruce D. by KevMan 11) Finger Pickers, not Booger Pickers by Joe Kruger 12) Re: when dream and day unite,we must do something!!!!!!! by "KorgX3" 13) Race track... by "Brian Hayden" 14) Out of Print cd(?)-Michael Harris-Defense Mechanizms FS or FT by KevMan 15) by email_address_removed 16) Re: Trick question (actually the quote) by email_address_removed (Ed Wilk III) 17) Goliath by Chris Ptacek ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Jul 97 12:01:07 PDT From: email_address_removed.il To: email_address_removed Subject: when dream and day unite,we must do something!!!!!!! Message-ID: i think that this message have to be red by every dream theater fan!!!!!! i can't stand it anymore! i heard today WDADU and i can't exept with it anymore!!!!! no longer!!!! the damn cd have good songs,and show defently what DT is all about, BUT,it's sound so horrible! i'm not only talking about the singer, i don't care! i am talking about the worst quality i ever heard,and most inportant:were the hell is john myung? the label has absolutly no bass! when i turn up the bass to maximum i can only hear mikes base drum,and there is no recolection from dear mr. myung! and when i heard live at the marquee,or live at tokyo,i was stuned from the exelent bass lines in ytsejam and the killing hand. so,please,i can't do anything,but i know that some of you there can make a petition strong enough to make DT re-record WDADU! i know that some of you think i am crazy,but let's be honest,don't you want it to be recorded? and other bands done it than why not dream theater?!??! please hear me out!!!!! tell me what you think... omer ephrat. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 18:06:11 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: when dream and day unite,we must do something!!!!!!! Message-ID: email_address_removed.il wrote: > > i think that this message have to be red by every dream > theater fan!!!!!! > i can't stand it anymore! i heard today WDADU and i can't exept with > it anymore!!!!! no longer!!!! > the damn cd have good songs,and show defently what DT is all about, > BUT,it's sound so horrible! i'm not only talking about the singer, > i don't care! i am talking about the worst quality i ever heard,and > most inportant:were the hell is john myung? hes there..hes just using that farty sound... not very low end kinda bass but mostly a slappy farty kinda sound.. "At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 18:44:11 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Heh heh heh. Message-ID: Also, what's the deal with all these brain teasers? Right after Skadz said any responses to extremely off-topic threads will get you kicked from the list, somebody posts these and even D-man responds to 'em. If you're going to post these, make them music theory brain teasers or something we would care about on a music list. :) ******* Yeah...like...VISUAL MUSIC! MOOOOOOWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! (just kiddin' :) Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 16:08:46 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" To: email_address_removed Subject: A cool MEGADETH moment :P Message-ID: Hey, I was walking through a local Hallmark store earlier today, 'cause I had to mail a few tapes to a fellow ytsejammer, and they were playing some 60s compilation CD through the PA there. Well, as I was getting ready to go, a song came on that, well, Let's just say it's very familiar to me. Title is "Needles and Pins" ;)~ |---------------------------------------------------------------------| |"God help me, please, Vincent LuPone | |on my knees, betrayed by lust. email_address_removed | |We've lied to each other so much email_address_removed | |Now there's nothing we TRUST." Student/Guitarist | | -MEGADETH, "Trust" Phoenix, AZ | |= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =| | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | | | "The Secret Place I like to go..." | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/6933 | | | | "Welcome to My Hideaway" | | | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | |---------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:22:14 -0400 From: "Adam Cook" To: Subject: ASSPOG Message-ID: Yo yo yo, > Northeast Permormer Magazine > July 1997 > Fates Warning - "A Pleasant Shade of Gray" Well I've seen worse reviews for prog discs in my time. For example, Guitar Shop totally trashed Shadow Gallary calling them bombastic and cheesy, and not even admitting or giving credit to them for their great chops like this review does. However, I still find it ironic how this review gives Fates credit for the industrial section of APSOG since industrial is so trendy these days, and then bashes Fates for the rest of the song which is classic prog-metal. It shows that this reviewer is still sticking to the trends. Thanks for posting that, D-man. What annoys me most about how prog (and other types of complex music) is treated by the mainstream is that although prog musicians are given credit for their chops, no reviewer will ever admit that they can write a great tune with great melodies. It's either chops or songwriting, I've never seen a reviewer give credit for both. God forbid a band write a tune that displays "good" songwriting in non-standard song format. Maybe that's just cause it's the 90's... Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 16:33:26 PDT From: "Eric LaRue" To: email_address_removed.il, email_address_removed Subject: Re: when dream and day unite,we must do something!!!!!!! Message-ID: >i think that this message have to be red by every dream >theater fan!!!!!! >i can't stand it anymore! i heard today WDADU and i can't exept with >it anymore!!!!! no longer!!!! >the damn cd have good songs,and show defently what DT is all about, >BUT,it's sound so horrible! i'm not only talking about the singer, >i don't care! i am talking about the worst quality i ever heard,and >most inportant:were the hell is john myung? the label has absolutly >no bass! when i turn up the bass to maximum i can only hear mikes >base drum,and there is no recolection from dear mr. myung! >and when i heard live at the marquee,or live at tokyo,i was stuned >from the exelent bass lines in ytsejam and the killing hand. >so,please,i can't do anything,but i know that some of you there can >make a petition strong enough to make DT re-record WDADU! >i know that some of you think i am crazy,but let's be honest,don't >you want it to be recorded? and other bands done it than why not >dream theater?!??! >please hear me out!!!!! >tell me what you think... >omer ephrat. > Well, as someone who's never heard any of the songs from WDADU, original or otherwise, I can't give an opinion, but if what you're saying is true, then yes! They should rerecord it! Songs by Dream Theater are works of art that should be able to be appreciated by everyone, and if they can't do that because of bad recording work, then that is an injury to the work that must be rectified! Okay, enough of my ramblings. Complete with burning guitars, bashed up drum sets and sealed with a kiss, Eric Paul LaRue "Take hold of the flame. Don't you see life's a game? So take hold of the flame. You've got nothing to lose, but everything to gain!" Queensryche-"Take Hold of the Flame" http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6289 "We're on a mission from God."-Blues Brothers _______________________________________________________ Get Private Web-Based Email Free http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 16:50:06 -0700 From: "James E. Thorpe" To: Subject: Eric Johnson and Steve Miller Message-ID: Last night, I was over at the Concord (CA) Pavillion watching Steve Miller and Eric Johnson. Cool show. The place was packed. Eric opened. Did a great job. He seemed to be alot more relaxed and enjoyed the performance compared to his G3 show. His tone was very good off course. He didn't play his trademark "Cliffs of Dover" tune though. About 65% of the tunes were from his latest CD and the rest were from Ah Via Musicom. He seemed to have mastered the pinch harmonic technique since the Ah Via Musicom tour a few years back. Sounds like the notes would be on the 78th fret or something. :) He also did some really cool scalear runs that sounded different than before. Steve Miller played alot of blues plus most of his greatest hits. I was lucky enough to get backstage and talk with Steve and the band. I asked him if he knew who Dream Theater was. Nope... The keyboard player was pretty good. He didn't know Kevin Moore but he knew Tony MacAlpine. Very cool people. They'll be playing at Shoreline in Mountain View tonight and then Eric will be playing in Sac tomorrow. I give the show 3 stars. peace, --james-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:06:47 -0500 From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." To: email_address_removed Subject: Happy birthday wishes Message-ID: Happy 30th birthday to John Petrucci! And a very happy 49th birthday to my illegitimate father, Richard Simmons, the fitness guru. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:37:03 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: New Tourniquet/FW Message-ID: > yeah, i could have gotten it at cornerstone, but i figured, why buy it for > $15 when i knew i'd be getting it for free a week and a half later... :) Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, so you got it free :). > now, i really like this album. psycho surgery is my fav, with POD close > behind...but this new one at least beats vanishing lessons- like you said. > a lot of variety and some "nice metal moments"... Yeah, I liked Psycho... more at first, but POD grew on me. I guess Crawl to China kinda takes the same basic ideas from Vanishing Lessons and improves some, while keeping thigns a bit more diverse. Also, the bass is a little chunkier in spots :). > now only if the pre-release had lyrics... oh well... Really. They're easy to understand, btu It'd be even easier reading them instead of having to listen over and over to get them all down. Of course, when a friend of mine first heard the song "Crawl to China," he thought it sounded like "World Vagina" (I'm not kidding, either :). > >8/12 MABELS CHAMPAIGN IL Hmm, since that looks like the closest they're coming to St. Louis, maybe I can make the 3 hour road trip, if I don't have to work. Dale R. Newberry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:57:45 -0500 From: KevMan To: YtseJam Mailing list Subject: Bruce D. Message-ID: Iron Maiden is alive and well in the form of one Mr. Dickinson! I finally broke down and picked up Accident of Birth-his best solo album to date(not saying much in my book) and the best Iron Maiden CD in a decade. If he could only pick up a few more IM members, I could see a court battle in the future and maybe a release called-Iron Maiden w/Bruce Dickinson? Well, we can dream can't we? PLEASE CHECK THIS OUT! IT IS THE SHIT (I mean that in a good sense!). Later, Kevin. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 20:55:30 -0400 From: Joe Kruger To: email_address_removed Subject: Finger Pickers, not Booger Pickers Message-ID: At 10:02 AM 7/12/97 -0700, Corey Bell wrote: >While we are on this thread, what do you all think of other kinds of pickers, like >hybrid or just srtaight finger pickers? I really haven't heard too many >players that use these forms of picking and am always willing to broaden my >horizons.... > Try Adrian Legg. Go to: http://macman.eng.clemson.edu/Legg/ for descriptions and samples. I was impressed by his performance at G3 show last fall. Folk rock with humorous story telling, very entertaining. Five Gratuitous CDs: (came in the mail yesterday!) 1. Eldritch - Headquake 2. Symphony X - The Damnation Game 3. Tad Morose - Leaving the Past Behind 4. Time Machine - Act II: Galileo 5. Psychotic Waltz - A Social Grace Joe email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:59:07 -0600 From: "KorgX3" To: Subject: Re: when dream and day unite,we must do something!!!!!!! Message-ID: >Well, as someone who's never heard any of the songs from WDADU, original >or otherwise, I can't give an opinion, but if what you're saying is >true, then yes! They should rerecord it! Songs by Dream Theater are >works of art that should be able to be appreciated by everyone, and if >they can't do that because of bad recording work, then that is an injury >to the work that must be rectified! Disclaimer: The reply posted below is the opinion of the author and is not to be confused with the reader's own opinion or of any other's opinion. Yeah, but the big BUT in there is that the band has already said that it will not happen. It was a phase of their development and should be left that. Personally, I like WDADU as it is. I think Chuckie D. was a good vocalist and did the songs justice. The production wasn't THAT bad, it's just that it was their first album and they didn't have the oppurtunity to use the state of the art equipment to record that they have now. It would be nice if they could re-record it, but I really don't think it will ever happen. Anyway, if they did redo it, I'd want Charlie to sing it, not James. I remember the songs through Charlie and it just never seemed right (to me) to have James sing them, even though he does do a great job. >Try Adrian Legg. Good call. Many times I can't see how this guy is playing all this crap on one guitar. Kinda like Michael Hedges, just a whole bunch of cool acoustical shred, but many very kewl moments. Five Kewl CD's: =================== 1. Denis Leary: No Cure for Cancer 2. Grease: Movie Soundtrack 3. Les Miserables: International Cast 4. Marillion: Best of Both Worlds 5. Bruce Dickinson: Tatooed Millionaire KorgX3 email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 97 21:29:42 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" To: email_address_removed Subject: Race track... Message-ID: > This however, little boys and girls, is a brain TEASER and not some > computational exercise. The definition of "average speed" is the > distance traveled divided by the time it took to do so. If you start at > point A and end up at Point A (recall that a racetrack is a circle), > your distance traveled is zero. Zero divided by any (non-zero) value of > time is zero. Actually, that's incorrect. You would be on the right track if you said average *velocity* instead of average speed (yes, they are a different thing). Average velocity is the total *displacement* (distance from start point to end point) divided by time, which in this case does equal zero. Average speed is total distance covered (actual space under the wheels, as opposed to distance between start point and end point). Just so you know, the answer is 160 mph, as somebody already said. =) -Brian ***************************** Quote of the Day ********************************* "Show the world that love is still alive, you must be brave, Or all you children of today are children of the grave." -0zzy Osbourne ******************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 21:58:56 -0500 From: KevMan To: YtseJam Mailing list Subject: Out of Print cd(?)-Michael Harris-Defense Mechanizms FS or FT Message-ID: I have a few (Very few) copies of shred master Micheal Harris-Defense Mechanizms cds available for sale or trade. I noticed that only the cassette was available through CD-Now, so these cds may be rare(?) and even out of print. Anyway, if there are any guitar lovers out there, I'd love to trade for some good stuff or even sell, if the offer is right! Thanks, Kevin email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 21:12:22 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-ID: ------------------ El Subjecto: Hypocrisy, Nothing to Lose, APSoG, Bruce Dickinson ------------------ [Hypocrisy on the Jam, the continuing chronicles] > Also, what's the deal with all these brain teasers? Right after Skadz > said any responses to extremely off-topic threads will get you > kicked from the list, somebody posts these and even D-man responds > to 'em. If you're going to post these, make them music theory brain > teasers or something we would care about on a music list. :) Chris Merlo is a hypocrite. See below. [D-Man, about the second reason why he dumped on Michael Coghlan] > Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 18:15:54 -0700 (PDT) > Not to mention the fact that nothing he posted about had anything to > do with music. And everything you type is purely music content. If I don't recall, you just posted some huge ego-fest answering brain teasers when most of us really could care less about reading memorized answers to old brain teasers. [More hypocrisy] > I can't do that, Mike. I will defend to the death Michael's right > to think and feel what he chooses, and even to convey those feelings > in an appropriate forum. But this is *not* it. The appropriate forum for your brain teasers is not here either, Chris. Try alt.chris.merlo.shaved.butt.teasers. ------ [Nothing to Lose] On a continued non-music note (I make no claims to music content), I saw the sneak preview of Nothing To Lose. It's hilarious. I was once offered a job with the New York Times for movie reviewing. They just loved how I squeezed an entire movie down to one word. I had to turn them down, sadly. ------ [A Pleasant Shade of Grey] I think I'm going to listen to this again tonight. With the headphones on, and the room dark, LOUD. I'll probably be going to the Fort Worth Fates Warning gig, maybe some of us can meet up. I'm the one with the scanned picture of Mike Bahr's Labrie Impression on my shirt. As if. When I was in elementary school, I knew a guy named Asif. Being the Arabian guy he was, he pronounced Sega as seg-AH'. Made me crack up every time. ------ [Bruce Dickinson] I can't believe more people don't talk about about Bruce Dickinson's 'Accident of Birth'. The first 5 tracks are a progressive masterpiece. I do a weird thing when I get CDs. I primarily listen to a set of tracks for a long time, then one day I just start listening to the rest of them. So sue me, you hootananny. In a couple weeks I'll think the whole album is a masterpiece. Extremely recommended. Take it difficult, everybody. The Impostor That Took the Ytsejam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 14:44:08 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Ed Wilk III) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Trick question (actually the quote) Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Jul 1997 10:53:55 -0700 (PDT) email_address_removed writes: >someone wrote: > >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>I swear on tomorrow if you take this chance >>Our lives are this moment; the music, the dance >>And here in this labyrinth of lost mysteries >>I close my eyes on this night and you're all that I see >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >and it just really cought my eye... any idea who wrote that, made that >or got >it from? id really like to know.... It's from Savatage's 'Dead Winter Dead' CD, the final track, called "Not What You See". My fave track off the album, FYI. :-) If you don't have this CD, it's symphonic rock at it's finest, with a great story-line. Ed-San ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 00:10:01 -0500 From: Chris Ptacek To: email_address_removed Subject: Goliath Message-ID: >From: Corey Bell >Subject: Alternate Picking > I do agree that alternate picking is truly more accurate and clean >than economy picking. However, I also believe that there is a time when it >just isn't as efficent. I'd bank on this statement being correct. >While we are on this thread, what do you all think of other kinds of pickers, like >hybrid or just srtaight finger pickers? I really haven't heard too many >players that use these forms of picking and am always willing to broaden my >horizons.... I myself only like fingerpicking when it's on acoustic guitar, with a few exceptions here and there. I shy away from hybrid picking, because again, it can either be done in alternate picking, or it goes into a realm of tonality that I find only slightly amusing (country-ish). If you haven't checked out Hedges before, go get some. It's in the New Age section of your local record shop, and he plays all the fingerpicking, tapping, etc, all right on his acoustic, and sounds just beautiful. >Yeah, a lot of people think it's some sort of radically different pickup >because of the different look but the term Trembucker actually originated >from the different spacing between the strings between a Floyd and a >stop-tail bridge. Nothing in the name trembucker means it's going to sound >different. They don't even necessarily look different. The Screamin Demon looks no different than the Screamin Demon trembucker (Looks like a standard black PAF style pickup). >> Overall, strict alternate picking >> is almost ALWAYS in better time, because a two downstroke sweep is not >> nearly as accurate as an upstroke and a downstroke. > >I might have agreed with you before I had lessons with a guitarist who has >mastered this technique like Joe Stump. Do yourself a favor and come to the >Berklee Summer Guitar Sessions this August so you can meet him. He's a >funny looking dude, but he's nice as hell. I think there are a handful of players that can make this statement seem false, but overall, the more accurate method of picking in mid tempo and less than blazing but still fast solos is still alternate picking, IMO >From: "James E. Thorpe" >Subject: More Guitar Thread shtuff > He's extremly sick. I heard he went to MI years ago and then worked >in the music library giving the students all the MI archived seminars and >classes >on video tape for students to study. He probably has studied all those >incredible lectures >on tape of the "Golden Years" when Paul Gilbert was there. I think he teaches in Europe now. I know he does clinics overseas a LOT. > I was hoping his solo CD was more of what he did on the Guitar on the Edge >compilation disks but it's not. "I think there's some things here that could be aleviated" Hehehehe > He's amazing. Blows me off the map. Becker is the King for chordal >arpeggios. I just wish George had more of a Becker tone because he's a >phenom player. I guess I'm spoiled. ;) Becker has more emotion in it... something about the slides and the whammy use and his amazing phrazing and killer bends. Bellas has to take a little more time to work on that, but I think he may get there yet. > Haha. :) Don't forget Wacky Brian. I didn't forget Wacky. I just fear him. :) >Maybe we could do something that is simular in the Rap world. Have >a East Coast V.S West Coast Shred Feud and then shoot each other :) :) :) >I can see us making these videos looking like gangstas. :) > > "Yo, my sweep arpeggios are fat." :) :) "A to the mofukkin' C to the mofukkin' E to the mofukkin' A again, beyotch!" > I didn't know Bafu was a shred player. Are you into Becker, Bafu? Bafu is unfortunate in his lack of required shred listening. Let's not rub it in... he might cry. :) >From: Lars Hellsten >Subject: Annoying >Shit, you catch on slow! Yes, of course I'm trying to be annoying! And >specifically, I'm trying to annoy *YOU*! You better watch your back buddy, >cause with your attitude, one of these days someone's gonna annoy you! >See, I KNEW you'd reply to my post! (And Andrew Forcier, and probably >Scott Cook will too...) And you fell for it! Ha ha! So glad you care that much about me. By the way, you've proven, without my efforts, that you are a dick. You aren't complex enough to "trick" me into anything. The concept of tricking me to post about something is your excuse for writing a lame ass post, and not being able to defend your opinions. I rest my case, and will be certain not to continue discussing this matter on this forum. Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC "Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2743 **************************