YTSEJAM Digest 2739 Today's Topics: 1) QR's lucid dreaming, DT label's address by "Eric LaRue" 2) San Diego Maradona by Adam Barnhart 3) new Tourniquet (NDTC) by email_address_removed (Dan Temmesfeld) 4) Joe Stump/Economy picking by Corey Bell 5) Re: Re[2]: Mood Songs by Albert Balkiewicz 6) BGV Voices by Dave 7) Guitar Thread by "James E. Thorpe" 8) Voices backing vocals by "Daus Studenberg" 9) Re: Paganini's 24 Caprices by email_address_removed 10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2738 by "Blondie Smurf" 11) The Phenomenology of Mind by Adam Barnhart 12) a fantasic thing! by "Jeremy P. Kube" 13) Brain Teasers... by Steve Chew ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:48:32 PDT From: "Eric LaRue" To: email_address_removed Subject: QR's lucid dreaming, DT label's address Message-ID: Re:Silent Lucidity For those of you who have played QR's "Promised Land" CD-ROM,(which, BTW, is a very hard game to finish. I only found Eddie's totem, which is in the bar. Get a glass of booze, and you'll find the totem. But I digress.) if you look in Chris' oceanside cottage, you'll find a note which suggests that he has had some experience with lucid dreaming. And since he's the one who wrote that song, it makes sense that that's what it would be about.(It also makes sense that if one of the guys had some experience dabbling in occult rituals, that they might write a song about those too.) Re:DT's mailing label Someone suggested that we write DT's label(I assume it's Elektra from what I remember) and ask that Metropolis, pt II be a single song EP, a la ACoS or APSoG. What is their address?(Preferably email) Or, how about this-I know we've already got Metropolis, pt I, but why not complete all the Metropolis songs, and then make them a single EP? That way, we could have them all together on one CD, and not have to fish through our extensive DT collection! :-) Just my $0.02. (Actually, it's probably up to $0.06 by now. ;-) ) Complete with burning guitars, bashed up drum sets and sealed with a kiss, Eric Paul LaRue "Take hold of the flame. Don't you see life's a game? So take hold of the flame. You've got nothing to lose, but everything to gain!" Queensryche-"Take Hold of the Flame" http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6289 "We're on a mission from God."-Blues Brothers _______________________________________________________ Get Private Web-Based Email Free http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:59:18 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart To: email_address_removed Subject: San Diego Maradona Message-ID: Free association... My God...I take ONE day off from work and I come back to a billion digests. I'm fairly drowning in e-mail here! We're ALL getting more and more long-winded. Then again, I've been quite into the content as of late, so there's that. Primus is a hell of a band, as I mentioned in taking a peek at the new album. There's one issue I shoulda mentioned but forgot. We get so into looking at all the strange imagery in Primus songs (the fishing, of course, foremost) that all of those songs tend to seem comical. But he's really quite a sly and clever lyricist. Hell, in "Too Many Puppies," he anticipates the Gulf War. That's pretty damn impressive for a song that, on the surface, seems kina silly. And there are any number of other songs that are pretty close to that. He's got that strange delivery which really keeps him from sounding like Leonard Cohen or someone like that. And I'M gonna call them prog. Marc Bonilla's come up a couple of times in the this whole thread dealing with the relative merits of guitarists. I've gotta say that I'm really quite impressed with him. Perhaps I'm missing out on something, but I'm fonder of Bonilla than I am of Tafolla, Kotzen, Saraceno, and Becker. I think Bonilla's quite a writer...and that he benefitted quite a lot from having Kevin Gilbert around, who's just a genius -- I think "Thud" is one of the great unrecognized records of the decade. Gary Willis: Wow! Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. Rush: Grace Under Pressure 2. Dream Theater: Awake 3. Jaco Pastorius: Live In New York, Vol. 2 4. Tracy Bonham: The Burden of Being Upright 5. Miriam Makeba: Sangoma Adam D. Barnhart email_address_removed email_address_removed http://www.cfmc.com/adamb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 14:08:28 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed (Dan Temmesfeld) To: email_address_removed Subject: new Tourniquet (NDTC) Message-ID: i just got the new tourniquet CD yesterday from my provident music rep. i wasn't too impressed with the title track "crawl to china," but i did like some of the other ones. i'm only half way through, but i'm pleased, b/c i thought i was gonna hate it. i'd say it's more in the "vanishing lessons" vein. i loved their more progressive speed metal stuff, but this stuff ain't bad either. sort of led zeppelin-ish in parts, kinda like VL was... well, many more listens before i make a good opinion of it yet... btw, it's due out on sept 2nd. Dan ---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - mailto:email_address_removed "Home of the Galactic Cowboys Pages" http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm Summer 1997 Update site: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/1853/ ---+ +--- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 14:16:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Corey Bell To: email_address_removed Subject: Joe Stump/Economy picking Message-ID: I was a student of Joe's at the Berklee Summer Program last summer and had the opportunity to study privately with him every week and in an ensemble that met once a week and he never really discussed economy picking with me. Many of the things he showed me were next to impossible to play strictly with alternate picking so I developed that technique of picking just because it was the only practical way of playing his exercises. The whole up/down/up/down method of picking is great on one string but when you are doing long, poisition shifting licks that require say, three notes per string it is easier to pick them down/up/down---down/up/down ect...It is very similar to sweep picking in the way you move your left hand in a downward motion. This is how Joe gets his blistering speed across the fretboard. I hope this helps all of the guitarists/aspiring speed freaks out there! Joe is a very cool guy and a techincally amazing guitarist. You could all argue his image or lack of originality in his songs but the man is a great player. He is very Yngwie influenced, as well as sharing many of Yngwie's influences so of course he is going to have that sound. Joe is also a really good teacher. I found myself practicing more and more after every lesson just to try and reach the technical level of my teacher. He was very inspiring to me. I am not a Baroque/Classical kind of player, I actually really dig a kind of major or lydian sound in my solos and Joe really helped me apply those scales in a fresh and unique way to my sound, so by no way do I believe that he is just a harmonic minor type of teacher. A good teacher does not form a clone from a student, they try to make an individual out of them and Joe did an excellent job instilling that in me. I would encourge anyone that is into great, speed guitar playing to check out Supersonic Shred Machine, I know the title is kind of hoaky, it is a great cd that really shows off Joe as a monster player. The last song on the disc, The Dark Gift, still gives me chills when I hear it. I hope this helps anyone out there that is interested. See ya, Corey Check out my band, Joint Decision's, official website at home.aol.com/steviemyer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 15:00:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Balkiewicz To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Re[2]: Mood Songs Message-ID: Mr. Kizer Soset said: > My take on why Kevin put the samples in there in the first place, was just > to express various feelings that the character in the song was having at the > time... Here's my interpretation of the song and how the samples relate... This is a great interpretation of the song......very well done The thing is, even though the interpretation is well-thought and pretty much hits the feeling of the song on the head, it may be a bit too overanalyzed...... I personally think (and I'm probably wrong) that the samples starting with the first documentary sample shows the following: It's been said on the 'Jam previously that in between these last few samples that you can hear a brief 1-second static noise and that hig-frequency sound that some people here when a TV is on... My take on the situation is that the guy, forlorn about a lost love (did i use the word "forlorn"?), is merely sitting in a room (probably dark), watching TV aimlessly, switching the channels..........maybe there's an irony in the fact that whatever he switches to on the TV for the most part relates somehow to what he's going through. That is, except for the Conan sample -- he probably just changed the channel cuz he realized the show sucks...... :P It seems pretty logical -- it would explain the static and hi-freq sounds, it would explain how the conan sample basically doesn't have a reference to the song's meaning (it's a big stretch to try and incorporate it into the song). It would also explain why the PBS documentary would come up again in the song.....he flips thru the channels and realizes he might as well watch the documentary.......then finally shuts the TV off, or just puts it on static (or snow)..... That's MHO on the subject - either way, Mr. Kizer did a helluva job breaking it down for us.......... -Al -- ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@ I inhale the sun...........I exhale the absence of light I am the number One..........burning. ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ email: email_address_removed email_address_removed HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 15:31:23 -0400 From: Dave To: email_address_removed Subject: BGV Voices Message-ID: >Who sings the background vocals on Voices, where it goes "See my diary >on the newsstand, seems we've lost the truth to quicksand.." I think >that's where it is, at least. I didn't bring Awake with me today. I'm pretty sure it's JLB singing both the high and low parts, just recorded on two trax... buster http://users1.ee.net/buster - When Dream and Doom Unite http://www.dhpc.com/ryche/ - Surgical Strike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 12:38:44 -0700 From: "James E. Thorpe" To: Subject: Guitar Thread Message-ID: What's up Jammers?!!! I'm a little behind on the Jams but I really enjoyed reading the detailed reviews of all the great guitar shredders out there. I think Chris P, Neil at Oracle, and myself are clones or something :):) We seem to have the same music tastes. There was one name though that I didn't read on there unless I skimmed over it. What does everyone think of Todd Duane? I remember buying the Guitar on the Edge CD compilations when they came out and was totally FLOORED with his playing. I was so sure he would be the Jason Becker Aire apparent but he seems to be going in a different direction now. He's still great player!! I really like George Bellas' playing but he's more like Yngwie than Jason.. Oh well, there's only one Jason Becker... peace, --james-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 15:54:07 -0700 From: "Daus Studenberg" To: Subject: Voices backing vocals Message-ID: > > Hey, I don't know if this has been covered before, but it's not in the > FAQ so I'm going to ask. (Maybe it should be in the FAQ?) > > Who sings the background vocals on Voices, where it goes "See my diary > on the newsstand, seems we've lost the truth to quicksand.." I think > that's where it is, at least. I didn't bring Awake with me today. I think it is Mr. Petrucchi! He sang that part on the Japanese Awake video. He also sings in "the Silent Man". Does he sing on the new album??? Daus Studenberg email_address_removed "I am just a stranger in the strangest land." - Mark King ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 97 11:55:04 PST8 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Paganini's 24 Caprices Message-ID: >Does anyone know if Nicolo Paganini's 24 Caprices have >ever been recorded on guitar? Yeah, Elliot Fisk recorded 24 Caprices on classical guitar. It is really impressive that he can pull these off so well. Check in the classical section under Fisk... ~Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 13:07:40 PDT From: "Blondie Smurf" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2738 Message-ID: >From: email_address_removed >Hey, I don't know if this has been covered before, but it's not in the >FAQ so I'm going to ask. (Maybe it should be in the FAQ?) > >Who sings the background vocals on Voices, where it goes "See my diary >on the newsstand, seems we've lost the truth to quicksand.." I think >that's where it is, at least. I didn't bring Awake with me today. I always thought it was James.. Michael Kizer: >I hope he finishes the next CHromo Key release soon.... Am I missing something? Did Chromakey release more than the demos? Arrrgh! I have a question for any jammer living in St. Louis: Finding DT albms is not much of a problem--even saw a copy of ACOS at a venture, but finding anything else aside from QR and Rush is a problem. Haven't been able to find Fates Warning or a lot of other bands mentioned on the jam anywhere. (Not even Vintage Vinyal.. urp..) Where do you guys find the stuff? BTW.. I believe QR is NOT coming to STL? Alison If my sig looks goofy, blame hotmail. |\_/| |@ @| +--------------vvvV----Vvvv-----------------+ | V"V | | Alison Clark | email_address_removed | +------------------------------------------------+ | http://members.aol.com/bardtirla/lair.html | +------------------------------------------------+ | "Death is the first dance eternal. Deceit is | | the second without end. Love is the dance | | of eternity." -J. Petrucci | +------------------------------------------------+ _______________________________________________________ Get Private Web-Based Email Free http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 13:10:23 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart To: email_address_removed Subject: The Phenomenology of Mind Message-ID: >From: email_address_removed > > > "Some people, gave advice before, about facing the facts, > about facing reality. And this is, this without a > doubt, is his biggest challenge ever. He's going to > have to face it. You're gonna have to try, he's gonna > to have to try and, uh, and, and, and get some help here. I mean > no one can say they know how he feels." > [Sample from a news commentary about the OJ Simpson freeway chase.] For the really interested, the guy who says this is named Jim Hill. He worked at KNXT-TV (later KCBS) in Los Angeles for years and years. I don't live there anymore, I've got no idea if he's even still on the air. It was strange...OJ's the only real celebrity I've ever met (at the Coach House in San Juan Capistrano to see, of all bands, The Lost Souls with T.S.O.L.), at least of THAT caliber. Anyhow, I remember watching all of that go down on television in Davis, where I'd driven up to that day for Teresa's graduation from UC Davis...it was odd, seeing as how I lived there and drove that route everyday, but was spared the traffic and chaos (my sister bitches about it to this day) because of my quick run north. Ah well, this story's getting quite esoteric. I don't imagine anyone gives a shit about my OJ experience. The guy's name is Jim Hill and he was the sports editor for the CBS affiliate in LA for a long time. Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. Rush: Test For Echo 2. Altura: Mercy 3. Pete Bardens: Speed of Light 4. Various: The Best Things in Life Are Free 5. Tori Amos: Boys for Pele Adam D. Barnhart email_address_removed email_address_removed http://www.cfmc.com/adamb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 16:09:59 -0400 From: "Jeremy P. Kube" To: email_address_removed Subject: a fantasic thing! Message-ID: Hey all, I have noticed recently that the airwaves are improving (atleast around here) and that Mtv is as well (ahk!) I am proud to say that alternative has been getting less airplay both on TV and Radio. Sure, I still have to listen to an occasional Green Day song or on MTV, an very occasional rap video, but all and all it's getting better! Heavy Metal is getting back in. Motley Crue is #4 on the billboard chart this week. Dokken is back on tour, Corrosion is selling out clubs. LA guns is selling out clubs even Warrant is doing pretty damn good. Now that some time has passed from the transition (80's to 90's) I have noticed those bands coming back, and I like it. The mellenium is approaching and I would say that nothing is worse than knowing that alternative will be the "hot music". No sadder was I to see all these bands die and go into music hell. FNM is on the charts with "Last Cup of Sorrow" AotY isn't doing well in sales but the song is doing well. I realized that with all this happening right now, DT might benefit from this as well. I know Sept. is still 2 months away, but it's coming and by then maybe this transition will be in full swing! Until then I can certainly deal with some of the "Horde" type stuff in the place of alternative. Hell, Blues Traveler is cool! On another note, I will give you a brief schpeil (sp.) about a band that will be making stides come Sept (other than hopefully DT) THANKS TO GRAVITY, a local band from my area just got out of the studio last month and is currently opening for Sinead O'Connor and Everclear (ahk!) anyways, this band has some of the most "back to basics" talent that I have ever heard. It combines Classical with Rock. There is no electric guitar. The 6 string is performed on an accoustic or better a violin (Andy Happel, Vocals and strings, can play like Charlie Daniels) The drummer Sean Daniels can play as good as or better than they drummer for the Dave Matthews band. His style is very similar. The bassist Drew Wyman is fantastic and besides that, his father was my woodshop teacher in Junior high school! Felix, the keyboardist isn't fantasic but he can certainly do the job! Anyways the release date in sometime in late August\early September and if you have a chance, pick it up. Be it known that Rupert Hine (former Rush producer of "Presto" and "Roll the Bones") is the producer of this album. Look for their new song, It's called something like "Somebody's Chicken Shack" and it's getting airplay all over. It should be your way soon. Other than that... well... see ya! J ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 17:14:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Chew To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: Brain Teasers... Message-ID: > >If anyone gets that #5, let's see it! :) > I've got the answer to number 5 below. These are good brain teasers. Thanks Erik. :-) D-man and I have arrived at the same answers for all but three of them (numbers 3, 5 and 8). Steve For those who don't want to see the answers, here's some spoiler space... . . . . . . . . . . > >> >> 1. A snail is at the bottom of a well 30 feet deep. It can crawl upward 3 >> feet in one day, but at night (being the slimy bastard that he is) it slips >> back 2 feet. How many days does it take the snail to crawl out of the well? > >The answer is 28 days. On the 27th day, the snail starts at 26 feet up, >climbs to 29 feet up, and slips down to 27 feet up. On the 28th day, the >snail starts at 27 feet up, climbs to 30 feet up, and gets out of the >hole. > Yup, the number of days will always be 2 less than the number of feet deep the well is (unless it's less than 3 in which case it's always one day). >> 2. There are 2 jars of equal capacity. The first jar there is one amoeba. >> In the second jar there are two amoebas. An amoeba can reproduce itself in >> the three minutes. It takes the two amoebas in the jar three hours to fill >> the jar to capacity. How many minutes does it take the one amoeba in the >> first jar to fill that jar to capacity? > >Three hours and three minutes. It takes the single amoeba three minutes >to become two amoebas. And we already know how long it takes two amoebas >to fill the jar to capacity - an additional three hours. > >> 3. A ship is at anchor. Over its side hangs a rope ladder with rungs a foot >> apart. The tide rises at the rate of 8 inches per hour. At the end of six >> hours, how many feet of the rope ladder will remain above water, assuming >> that 8 feet were above water when the tide began to rise? > >I'm not sure of this one, but it sure seems like a trick question. I'm >going to say 8 feet, because the tide has to go back down sometime. I >just don't remember when that is, so this is rather likely to be really >wrong. > It is a trick question. You got the answer right, but didn't give a sufficient reason. A boat always floats at the same depth in the water, so the ladder will always be 8 feet out of the water. :-) The boat just rises with the tide. The anchor doesn't prevent the boat from rising with the tide, just from moving too far laterally (an anchor generally gives enough slack to allow the boat to rise and fall with the wave and tides). >> 4. A race driver drove around a 6 mile track at 140 mph for three miles, 168 >> mph for 1 1/2 miles, and 210 mph for 1 1/2 miles. What was his average >> speed for the entire 6 miles? > >Unless I missed something really obvious, it's 164.5 mph. > I agree, although it's not possible to accelerate from 140 to 168 or 210 mph without going through some speeds in between. But we're not given any information about that sort of thing so I assumed (as you did) that we should accept those values at face value. >> 5. If you get this one, I want to know how! With my logic, I almost got >> it.... >> Each day a man's wife meets him at the railroad station and drives him home. >> One day he arrives at the station an hour early and begins to walk home >> along the road his wife always takes. She meets him en route and takes him >> the rest of the way home. Had he waited at the station, she would have >> picked him up exactly on time. As it turned out, he reached his home twenty >> minutes early. How many minutes did the man walk? > >ARGH! The one I didn't get. :( > The answer is 50 minutes. :) This one seemed impossible to solve, at first, because of a lack of information. But, it became simpler once I drew a timeline for the events and realized some relationships between them. Also, it was key to begin the timeline at zero when the man arrives at the station (sixty minutes early). Man Wife Wife Normal Wife and Normal Arrives Leaves Picks Time of Train Man Arrive Time of Station in car Up Man Arrival Home Early Getting Home |------------|---------------|------------|-------------|----------------| 0 60 - N P 60 (60+N)-20 60 + N OK, here goes: N = The amount of time it takes the wife to make the drive to the train station. She will leave N minutes before the train will normally arrive (hence the 60 - N marker). And they would normally get home N minutes after the train normally arrives (hence the 60 + N marker). P = Marks the time at which the wife picks up the man. It also corresponds to the amount of time the man walks (P - 0). Then, the key is to realize that the amount of time the wife drove to pick up the man is equal to the amount of time they spent driving home. Once you have that relationship, then it's easy to create an equation from the above timeline: Time spent driving to Time spent driving the point where wife = home after picking picked up man up the man. P - (60 - N) = ((60 + N) - 20) - P Solving for P: P - (60 - N) = ((60 + N) - 20) - P P - 60 + N = 40 + N - P 2P = 100 P = 50 And that's it! Since P is the amount of time that the man walks before his wife picks him up, the man walked 50 minutes. Before I used the timeline above, I had a lot of trouble with mixing up distances and times to get places and absolute times (like the time of the train arrival). Once I put it all in units of time relative to when the man arrived early, it was simplified greatly. The interesting thing is we still don't have any idea how long the wife drove (or how long it normally took her to drive). We were just able to eliminate that variable and solve for the man's walking time. > >> 6. How many times does the digit 9 appear from 1 to 100? > >20. An easy question to get wrong if you answer too quickly. > Yeah, I almost did that. >> 7. A genious came to a narrow railroad bridge and began to run across it. >> He had crossed three eighths of the distance when a whistle behind him >> warned of an approaching train. Being a genious, he instantly evaluated his >> alternatives. If he were to run back to the beginning of the bridge at his >> speed of 10 mph, he would leave the bridge at precisely the moment the train >> entered it. If he kept running to the end of the bridge, the train would >> reach him just as he left the bridge. At what speed was the train moving? > >This one's tricky. It takes a lot of alternate thinking. If the genius >can get back to the beginning of the bridge just as the train gets there, >then it stands to reason that he can also get to 6/8 of the way across at >the same time (because it's the same distance.) Now, the genius could get >from 3/8 across to all the way across just when the train would get >across. Let's say he/she does this. Once the genius is 6/8 of the way >across, the train is at the start of the bridge. So, the genius is going >to cover 2/8 of the bridge in the same amount of time as the train is >going to cover the whole bridge. Therefore, the train's speed is four >times that of the genius, or... > > b)40 mph > Yup. This one took me a while since I wasn't thinking about it in the right manner. >> 8.C, G, Q are to F, V, R as T, X, H are to > >This one's designed for math people. For those of you that don't know >what a mathematical ring is, imagine a regular analog clock. Now imagine >that instead of the numbers 1-12, it has the letters A-Z, all evenly >spaced. In time, adding 1 to 12 gives you 1 again. On this clock, adding >1 to Z gives you A. So, to get from C to F is the same amount of distance >as getting from T to W, and so forth, so the answer is... > >> c) W, M, I >> >> >> >> >> 9 Complete the series: 2-4, 6-18 > >This one's a Mike Bahr-ism in a mutated form. :) To get from the first >element of one set to the second element of the same set, multiply by x. >To get from the second element of the first set to the first element of >the second set, add x. Now, increment x and do it again. So, 2*2 = 4, >4+2 = 6, 6*3 = 18, 18+3 = 21, 21*4 = 84, and... > >> e). 21-84 > I actually got an answer of (c) 10-40, but either one is a possible pattern. I used a pattern of the difference between the first two numbers is 4 (hence next first number is 10). And the second number is equal to 2 times the first one, then 3 times the first one, then 4 times the first one (hence the second number being 40). There may be other possible patterns too, I suppose. >> >> 10. Which one does not belong? >> a). dada >> b). abstract >> c). cubist >> d). dodecaphonic >> e). pointillist > >a,b,c, and e are all types of (visual) art. Dodecaphonic means >(literally) twelve sounds. > I have to admit that I didn't know what dodecaphonic meant, but I did know the others were art forms so that left only (d) as being different. Steve ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2739 **************************