YTSEJAM Digest 2728 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Mood Songs by email_address_removed 2) music by Steve Zebrowski 3) Re: imposters are cool by email_address_removed 4) Re: imposters are cool by Rick Audet 5) enchant question and other assorted crap by "Andrew Miller" 6) Re: A Few Things... Including DTC!!! by Rogerio Brito 7) angra voting by Marcelo Vanzin 8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2707 by "Gordon Cook" 9) Wow! Candlemass! by email_address_removed 10) Great bands.. by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" 11) Re: enchant question and other assorted crap by email_address_removed.au 12) Detailed Review of new DT songs - Part I by Pat Griffin 13) Detailed Review of new DT songs - Part II by Pat Griffin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 17:51:05 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Mood Songs Message-ID: Well, I can understand WHAT'S being said in the voice overs of Space Dye Vest, but... I just don't understand why somebody would talk about loving somebody else, not as a possession, and then start talking about swimming pools in Houston? *scratching head* ~Eckie has this strange urge for fried cheese balls ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 21:04:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski To: email_address_removed Subject: music Message-ID: > Actually I'm not sure if it's absolutely necessary to eat fugazi as fast > as possible, but that's how I've seen it eaten. Me, I ate slowly, and thus > had about two chunks of bread before it was all gone. I'm not surprised. That shit's GOOD. :P > Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:40:39 -0700 > From: Adam Barnhart > To: email_address_removed > Subject: Quoth ye Coverdale... > Message-ID: > > Here I Go Again... HA! That's funny! Here I go again... :) > Well, you know how all of this happens. "Classical" is a term used to > describe a certain set of musical styles generally played by a symphony or > chamber group or some similar musical construct. You're right, though...the > Classical is really a PERIOD, which becomes somewhat more problematic when > you cease talking about Mozart and Early Beethoven and move to history more > generally, where there're phrases like "Classical Europe," "Classical > Greece" and the "Classical Style" of a series of art forms. You're right, > though -- Yngwie's not really playing Rimsky-Korsakov...he's doing his own > take on Baroque. Yay, Adam. I knew you'd understand. :') > Still, I don't think he observes all the conventions of > the era...I'm sticking with the neo- prefix, even if it probably shouldn't > be slapped on the generic "classical." No, not always, but more often than not. His runs, his progressions, his ornamentation, the vocal lines. that's generally why I call him neo-baroque. Steve Z ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 18:08:54 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: imposters are cool Message-ID: I'm Eckie, and yes, I am a Ytse-jammer too. I listen to Dream Theater a lot, and I'm not gay. Of course, I wish I was gay, so I could get more chicks, but it just ain't that way. This is my real email address, and I have a large cock to boot...or yank. I think wee.wee is the new addy for government officials, but I could be wrong. It'd be cool to have an addy of email_address_removed, but I'll settle for the one I have instead. Some d00d in my color theory class last semester was a huge Fugazi fan, and I thought, from all the stickers on his equipment and his t-shirts, they looked like a punk band, but we never really said anything to each other. HEll, I don't know how many times I wore my I&W T-shirt to that class, and he never once mentioned anything about knowing or hearing DT. ~The artist formerly known as Eckie (I'm working on the symbol to replace it, like Prince has... 'cept mine's gonna be a middle finger >;) > My name is Brandon Elhai. I am not ashamed to admit it. What's yours? > > > > Brandon > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 21:13:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: imposters are cool Message-ID: Taco Belhai wrote: > Also, what's up with your email address? Wee.wee??? I think you'll soon be > known to the ytsejam as Mr. Wee-wee instead of the imposter. Just for > future reference, I'd pick a more "balls and chunk" address next time > around. Wee.wee just doesn't cut it. You're addressing the wrong impostor. The original impostor came up with that silly address, not the impostor impostor. :) > It's one thing to hide your face behind an email address (we all do that). > It's a totally different thing to hide your face behind a fake email > address which hides behind a real email address? Almost. He/she is hiding it's face behind a fake email address which hides behind a fake email address which hides behind a real email address. Wow, this is almost like Conformal Mapping.... or something. Fun fun. Uh oh. Might this be in voilation of policy? SCRAM! Now Playing: Chick Corea Electric Band, _Inside Out_ Rick Audet Dolby Labs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 20:38:12 +0000 From: "Andrew Miller" To: email_address_removed Subject: enchant question and other assorted crap Message-ID: > also...what the hell does IMHO mean? impotent monkeys humping oranges > > pickle. it's mature, yet beckons for you to listen... > > LOL! If he doesn't use that, can I? i always thought "Big Bird's Other Beak" would be catchy too... would some of you folks that found Enchant's "Time Lost" CD kindly post to the list the info on where you got it? thankya. -Andrew --------------------------------------------------------- | Andrew Miller - keyboardist/vocalist - subtlerage | | http://www.subtlerage.com - email_address_removed | | "first impressions" released. cassettes available | | an 8/97 release is planned for sr2 *ON CDS!!!* | --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 22:35:55 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: A Few Things... Including DTC!!! Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jul 1997 email_address_removed wrote: > Now then, I have some great news for your South American Jammers...in my > latest issue of Metal Edge, which arrived today, the following news blurb > appeared, and I quote: "Dio, Dream Theater, Manowar, Whitesnake, Type O > Negative, and Angra are slated to take part in the Mosters Of Rock Festival > in Sao Paulo, Brazil on August 30." I am very pleased for you S.A. Jammers > who are yet to witness the greatness, but for us Americans... DAMN!!!!!! :-) > Anybody care to make a boot of the WHOLE gig? Angra and DT on the same > bill? Is this Heaven? (No, it's Iowa...) I'll be there! :-) Angra!!! Dream Theater!!!!! Oh, my! But talking about booting things, I don't know if it is possible. It will be a nice show, IMO, but they don't allow people to enter the Pacaembu Stadium with recorders or things as such. But there is a TV station here in Sao Paulo, called CNT/Gazeta, that broadcasts parts of the whole show after say, one month of the festival (they usually broadcast aproximately 4 hours of the whole festival, which is quite a good thing to remember after you have seen it live). For instance, the last year had Iron Maiden headlining the Monsters of Rock and unfortunately I only taped the last part of the broadcast, but it is still nice to have those 50 or so minutes. And I must say that I'll be taping the whole thing this year!!! So, if you'd like to get a copy of the show, we can arrange a trade, I think, after, say, September... :-) Anyway, I'll try to see if they have those "taper section" tickets, but I doubt they do. See you later, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 06:47:01 -0300 From: Marcelo Vanzin To: email_address_removed Subject: angra voting Message-ID: Hi there... > > Um ..please check out this adress...its for the emtpyV brazilian > awards > > , and angra is there with "make believe" .. please vote for them, so > > maybe we can get them attention!! > Do you really think that those posers at eMpTyV will pay > attention > at our choices? I really don't think so and think that they only have Hmmm... I must say that I had voted even before Carlos mentioned it here (sometimes you really have nothing to do =) ), but I really don't think that even if all us jammers go there and vote it'll be of any use. It's not only american eMpTV that sucks (as you always say), but our one here is not much different. Our "video music awards" is near to a shame. You see really horrible stuff receiving prizes, while good stuff never gets a thing (most good stuff aren't even nominated for anything)... It's a surprise for me that we have two good bands nominated (Angra, and Sepultura w/ "Ratamahatta" - sp?). They probably won't get any prizes. The only good thing is that "Claudinho & Bochecha" aren't nominated (if you're brazilian, you know what I mean. If you're not, don't even try to. It's not worth it. =) ). But that's probably just because their video is kinda new. Well, enough whining. =) -- []'s /**********************************************\ |* Marcelo Vanzin *| |* email_address_removed *| |* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *| \**********************************************/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 18:47:56 -0400 From: "Gordon Cook" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2707 Message-ID: > In a message dated 97-07-07 02:41:38 EDT, you write: > > << Now I know that Petrucci uses the 2:90 live, but 90 watts per channel > normally just doesn't cut it for me. >> > Vince... > there is a huge difference between a solid state 90 watt-er and a tube 90. > the 2:90, which i hope to get in the coming months.... is 90 watts per > side and with tubes, that pretty loud. you'd have to be playing some pretty > huge venues unmiked for that not to be enough. But that's just my opinion. > i could be wrong. > Mike Nope, you're right. Vince, the 2:90 is WAY MORE than enough for you. Unless you're planning on joining U2 on their super-stadium Pop tour in the near future. First of all, everybody knows Mesa watts are louder than watts from other amps for some crazy reason. Something in their amp design makes my 25 watt studio calibre louder than some 50 watt Marshalls. Plus, since it's a tube amp, it'll be louder than a solid state amp. And your knowledge of wattage must have been misinformed, because 90 watts PER CHANNEL is plenty of power to drive multiple cabinets in a large club or hall unmic'd. If you get the Coliseum 300 you're risking serious damage to your ears. You probably wouldn't be able to turn that thing past 1 without destroying your ears if you're standing next to it. I would recommend the Mesa 20/20 which is 20 watts per channel. Normally this might not be enough, but since it's Mesa I think it is. Especially if you're just playing clubs. Also it's much cheaper than the 2:90. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 21:36:28 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Wow! Candlemass! Message-ID: Hey there - Holy crap! Somebody mentioned "Solitude" by Candlemass as an anti-depressant! I haven't heard these guys in a long, long time! Back in high school and early college, I fookin' LOVED Candlemass! Heavy, and doom-laden, but wonderfully melodic! Kinda like Sabbath with an opera singer. Anyone else out there dig these dudes? I'n fact, now I'm jammin to them... thanx to whomever mentioned them! Oh yeah, I just recently read that Leif is reforming the band without Messiah, but with the former Carcass guitarist. Laterz... - Matt T. Now Playing: Candlemass "Tales Of Creation" On Deck: Candlemass "Epicus Doomicus Metallicus" On Double-Deck: Candlemass "Nightfall" ------------------------------ Date: 09 Jul 97 17:42:59 -0700 From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" To: email_address_removed Subject: Great bands.. Message-ID: D-man wrote: >After Rush, DT, and VH (yes, in that order), >Zeppelin is my favorite band and biggest inspiration as a musician. Cool - I've got the same top 4! Although I would probably rearrange the order slightly ;). Prog is relatively new (about 2 years) to me - I was originally in it all for guitar... Disclaimer: this was not presented in *top x* format... cheers, -Neil. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:09:47 +1000 From: email_address_removed.au To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: enchant question and other assorted crap Message-ID: I got my copy of Enchant's 'Time Lost' from here in Sydney at the best record store in the world, Utopia Records, which isn't much help to most of you guys. I have seem it on Cd Europe's data base, but please don't go to them they are assholes. The only thing I have ever bought from CDE was 'Wounded' last year when it was only out in Germany, they took three months to get it and they charged my CC without telling me the eventuall high price. My copy cost me AUS$36.95, well worth it IMO. Other than that I can't suggest anything, sorry. Graham ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 21:29:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin To: ThE NuGgeTjAm Subject: Detailed Review of new DT songs - Part I Message-ID: [I tried sending this once, but Ytsejam told me it was too long. I thought she was different, but she's just like all the other girls. ;) ] Ok, someone was asking about the new DT material several jams back. Instead of doing the typical 'this song roqued nadz' and 'this song sucked', I'm give you an actual song by song breakdown... Any and all misspelings are a figmunt of your imaginasion. - Burning My Soul - This song is my favorite of the new ones I have heard. It's an Awake type heavy song. The song starts with a nice clean guitar sound (on the keys). James comes in with some low range vocals for a measure. Then Mike comes in with a funky off-beat snare pattern, and the song starts rocking. There is a constant groove riff going with John and John, while Derek does some ambient chords in the background. As the bridge approaches, Derek changes momentarily to an evil sounding patch and plays over a different riff. The guitar and keys build to the chorus, which has a TTT kind of catchiness to it. "Twisting, Turning... something something random mumbling... Living, Learning... The passion keeps on Burning My Soul!" After the second chorus, they do a cool stop, and go into an instrumental part. This part is slow at first, with a pulsing bass line, and John and Derek playing over it. After a while, John launches into a faster solo, which builds until Mike comes in again with that snare pattern. I couldn't name an odd time signature if it bit me in the ass, but I can tell that this isn't in 4/4. James comes back in with the chorus again, and the melody changes as he repeats 'Burnin my soul' - very cool. - Peruvian Skies - This song probably ranks second from what I have heard so far. It starts off with a slow Alice in Chains style groove, joined by a militaryesque (just making up words as I go - get used to it) drum beat from Mike. The vocals are mostly mid range, with a pleasing melody. When the chorus comes in, the style seems to change to something *very* similar to some Pink Floyd stuff. The lyrics are pretty cool here - inspired by a story of child abuse, I believe. I can't always make out what James is saying, but what I can follow sounds cool. After the second chorus, James goes into a cool soaring vocal part... "Dead of the night / night after day / tell me her secrets / won't take them awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay" This is followed by an instrumental section with some heavier guitar sounds and odd beats from Mike. There's a pretty cool dual key/guitar section in here too. This section is ended with an odd timed downward scale, back into the chorus, followed by the 'main theme' lead out. - Lines in the Sand - This one is long and complex, and varies a lot. It starts off with a cool piano peice from Derek, followed by a reverb key patch that he solos over. Those who have heard this part will probably know what I mean when I say I was expecting Clint Eastwood to pop up somewhere. :) After a short while, Mike comes in with a short slow solo, and then the band joins in with Mike drumming his heart out, John laying down the bass base, John playing a cool flowing guitar rythm, and Derek soloing. The majority of the song is laid back, but filled with hidden complexity in fills and small changes. James' vocals are right on, another kick ass melody and once again cool lyrics... "Sometimes... build castles in the air / and the fantasies you're seeking / are the crosses you bear." and the chorus "Swept away with the tide / [something] holes in my hand / crown of thorns at my side / drawing Lines in the Sand" (appologies to those sick of the religion thread) The second verse is underlayed with an even cooler sounding guitar/bass riff than the first. Mike solos again for a bit over a laid back guitar part, and then everything calms down a little. Mike just uses a hi hat while Derek and John solo (separately), then comes in with some more drumming, but still lets D/J take the lead. Derek wrote a lot of this song, and it shows. James comes back in again for a short bridge, then it's out to another instrumental section, where Derek takes the lead with a jazzy key solo. This instrumental bridges into the final chorus, where James eloquently sings "baptized aaaaa hooooaaaa taaaaa seems aaaah thaaaaa impoooortaaaant... I like to draw lines in the sand... aaaahh taaa eeeen hhooowwwaaa taaa seeeem aaaaaaaahh thaaaa important... I like drawing lines in the sand." :) The goove throughout this song is similar in style to the feel of 6:00. - Take Away My Pain - I can tell you this is not the song I was expecting. When I heard that John's father died, and later that he wrote this in memory of him, I figured it would be a 'down' song a la SDV. What it turned out to be is a surprisingly upbeat and (not surprisingly) guitar driven song. It starts with soft acoustic guitar, and James singing in a mid-high range. Then the band comes in, with a very upbeat sound, high major chords, simple drum beats, and soaring vocals (which James kicks ass with on this song). Lyrically this is a very powerful song as well... "Take away my pain... leave the cold outside... please don't let it rain... I stumble on my pride... take away the pain... I'm not frightened anymore... [something] at me tonight... I'm tired of this fight... Soon I'll be knocking at your door." During the second verse, John does some subtle soloing, and does even more of it after the second chorus. The guitar work in here is great... There's a lot of soloing going on, and in the final verse, after James sings "Staring at the paper through my tears," John does a prebend that another jammer described as "the closest I've ever heard a guitar come to crying." Very moving song. And you can make out 99% of what James is singing! - Just Let Me Breathe - This song starts off with a very fast, almost tribal drum rythm and moves into a quick instrumental intro with lots of wah guitar and key work. James come in, singing in a what almost seems to be a rap style - very fast, more talking than singing. This is 'the MTV song' in more ways than one... it's a bit more 'commercial' than the other material, but it also seems to deal with the music industry and selling out and stuff like that. It's pretty critical, and unless I heard James wrong, they actually mention something about MTV in it. After the first verse and chorus, it goes into a fast paced instrumental section, with tons of complex sounds all coming at you at once. Also, Derek revives the WFS/LtL riff in this song during this instrumental part, and the outro. It moves back into the final verse/chorus, to the short outro, and ends. This song never slows down, it's fast paced all the way through. Quite different from anything they have done before. - Raise the Knife (w/o vocals) - This song is another long one... something like 12 minutes. I haven't heard the vocals version, or seen the lyrics yet, but I have heard the whole instrumental version, as well as the shorter instrumental it was based on from the Home For the Holiday Shows... It starts off with a cool guitar progression and off beat drums, joined by some jazzy piano. [Note: by off beat, I mean that Mike isn't accenting the normal beats you would accent; not that he screwed up] JP does some short jazz soloing, and the song rolls into a slower (I assume vocal) section with an almost pulsing guitar/bass line, and some cool drum work by Mike. It picks up pace for a bit (pre chorus? Chorus?) and back down to the slower pace, then builds more steadily with impressive drumming and and some cool distortion/wah effects from John. There's a short Van Halenish guitar part, flowing into an upbeat soloing section, and back into the 'theme' of the song some more. Then it goes into an instrumental section with ambient keys and Extremeish guitar and complex drumwork, and Derek starts a key underlay that for some reason reminds me of the soundtrack from one of the Conan movies - cool as hell... It builds to another upbeat part which blends back into the main theme. Then the shit hits the fan. JP starts this kick ass heavy riff in some odd time I can't recognize that just rips... Mike's doing some crazy drum work, and then everyone falls back into a groove while Mike does this 8/8, 8/9, 8/8, 8/7 drum pattern (ok, so I can pick up *some* odd time sigs). JP slowly starts building over the drum pattern while Derek and John dual on the rythm. There's a short break and it comes back into another major chord upbeat guitar/key section, building towards the end of the song; I would assume that James is sneaking in the final verse here. This song all around whups ass. And now a word from our sponsor... =20 h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality=B2 Design | | email_address_removed email_address_removed | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 21:32:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin To: ThE NuGgeTjAm Subject: Detailed Review of new DT songs - Part II Message-ID: =2E..we now return to our feature presentation... - Where Are You Now - This song has gotten some critical acclaim on the jam. It's got some cool vocal melodies, and you can hear JP and Mike doubling the vocals in places. The guitar riff is pretty cool; this is another upbeat song. The drumming seems complex, but not overdone; it fits the song. There is a short instrumental between early verses. This song has a Surrounded type of pace to it, but the style is different. Derek does a pretty cool wailing solo, followed by some clean acoustic guitar and organ sound section with harmonized vocals. It picks up again for another verse/chorus followed by some soaring JP/DS soloing and vocal babbling from James (like the whoooa oooh ooaaaaaahhHHHHHH part from LtL). The song seems a little like Rush, and the vocals even seem to take a bit from Tears. It leads out with a short violin sound from Derek. - Speak to Me - Here is the song for all you doomsayers who thought the days of Images and Words were in the past. This song takes all that is good about I&W and rolls it up into one nice 6+ minute package. This one starts off with a nice smooth reverbing guitar riff, and goes into about 6 minutes of crisp, clean guitar soloing. Now, keep in mind that I saw JP play this at a guitar clinic to a DAT tape, so he obviously got to indulge on the guitar parts. I'm sure the final song will be more laid back (unless it's an instrumental). The version I heard was very guitar driven, with swooping solos and runs that embody the feel of the Images and Words era perfectly. The rest of the band seemed pretty laid back for this one - I didn't pick out any big solos from them. Again, this could just be because this was a 'clinic' version. At any rate, this song is phenominal in it's current form, and I wouldn't complain in the least if this was the version on the CD (if it makes the CD). Then again, I also wouldn't complain if JP released a solo CD with some of his stuff on it. The soloing and 'personal' songs, and Necronomicon stuff he played at the clinic blew me away. - Hollow Years - This one starts with a slow tempo blues guitar style over acoustic, with a simple beat from Mike. It's quite different from everything DT has released to date. This one was at the clinic as well, so it was more guitar heavy than the final one will be. The vocals I heard were mostly drown out by John's playing, but I was able to pick up a bit of a melody in places, and it sounds good. Mike does some more cool snare beats in this one, while keeping with the slower pace. The sound overall isn't really 'dark', but it isn't happy either. It does have a very bluesy feel to it. Towards the end, the mood of the song seems to lift... the scales seem to be on the major now, and the tempo is a little more upbeat, as well as the vocal melody. The only real comparison I can draw is to The Silent Man, and that's only because TSM was a fairly simple song as far as tempo and beat go, as is this one. Stylistically, it's signifigantly different from the released material. As for the new stuff, it has some similarities to Speak To Me towards the end. [Side note: John also played along to a vocal-less DAT of Lines in the Sand at the same clinic. Most of the vocal sections were replaced by elaborate solos. Amazing stuff.] Well, there you go. All I can really say is that the new CD will have a little bit of everything. There are I&W style songs, there are Awake style songs, and there are songs that are like nothing DT has done yet. It has it's heavy parts (like Burning My Soul), but it it also has some very melodic songs (Peruvian Skies), some very upbeat songs (Lines in the Sand, etc), and some songs that just plain rock (Just Let Me Breathe). The songs I haven't reviewed in here are A New Millenium, You or Me (or whatever the hell they are calling it now), Anna Lee, The Way It Used to Be, Trial of Tears, Cover My Eyes, and Metropolis II. So I have covered 9 of the 16 new songs for you. I also have Lost Without You, and Sammy's Nap, both of which are JP/DS jams, and not on the choices for the new CD. I'd be happy to review them though, if asked. Please pass any comments or questions about this my way. [Any questions like: "Can you please send me {song}?" will be ignored; sorry folks.] If anyone out there has the Fix show from Europe where they replaced Lines in the Sand with Trial of Tears, please contact me, I'd like to add it to this review. Same goes for the 'Nightmare Cinema' incident. =20 h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality=B2 Design | | email_address_removed email_address_removed | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2728 **************************