YTSEJAM Digest 2713 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Bad mood songs by "KorgX3" 2) Re: YTSEJAM 2.692 * 10^3 - 2.706 * 10^3 by Jay Omega 3) Re: Ron Thal by Walter Semerenko 4) A Marillion post; I must reply... by Jay Omega 5) Re: Bad mood songs by alex fraser 6) Bad mood songs, logic, neo-classical guitar, Mi by "Ollila Marko" 7) Re: Bad mood songs by Rick Audet 8) Virtual Songs by windows user 9) Re: imposter says what? by email_address_removed 10) Re:neo-classical guitar by email_address_removed.br (Mário) 11) Re: Bad Mood Songs by Jay Omega 12) Re: MOOD SONGS by email_address_removed 13) Rush Recommendations by "Jeremy P. Kube" 14) more rush stuff :) by The Digital Man 15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2710 by Chris Ptacek ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 18:55:54 -0600 From: "KorgX3" To: Subject: Re: Bad mood songs Message-ID: >> I'm wonderin' what songs are out there that ppl listen to when they feel >> they're in the shitter, tha dumps, really low 'n shit. Something to >> bring you up or just keep your mind preoccupied to prevent the really bad >> thoughts to start churning. For me it depends on what's causing the depression in the first place. If it's something that needs to get out of my system, I'll put in something even more depressing and full of self hate, like NIN, Pearl Jam, or Marillion (Brave). That way, once it's gone, it's gone. For some reason, I always come close to tears when Eddie sings through Black. If I'm trying to lift myself out of a slump I can listen to about anything. Mostly prog stuff like I&W, Rush, Enchant, etc, work for me. :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:58:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Jay Omega To: Just Words Subject: Re: YTSEJAM 2.692 * 10^3 - 2.706 * 10^3 Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, The Notorious B.I.G. S.T.I.F.F.Y. wrote: > Wow. I finish reading all the 'jams in my inbox, and by the time I > finish there's 2 more waiting on me.... Don't feel bad. I started with 'message 6/89' and I'm up to 'message 46/113.' I'll be reading until 3 AM if you guys keep up... --Jay "like I'm helping matters any" Omega --NP: Meat Loaf - Midnight @ the Lost & Found PS. Make that 46/114. Geez! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 20:54:16 +0000 From: Walter Semerenko To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Ron Thal Message-ID: At 03:15 PM 7/7/97 -0700, you wrote: >After hearing some guitaristic praise for Ron Thal on the jam (in between >discussions of being gay, religion, etc) I picked up the disc "Hermit" from a >used bin recently. > >I must say that Ron's solos are frighteningly good - the man can PLAY. >However, the songs themselves caught me way off guard. Some sound a little, >dare I say, grungy.. And a couple tunes are very reminiscent of Rage Against >the Machine. I have to spend some more time letting this disc sink in, but I >know I definitely love the *solos*. I thought it sounded like Alice in Chains with a tad of King's X harmonies thrown in. >Can anyone out there (oh no, I said "out") who is more familiar with Ron Thal >let me know if his other album(s) are similar? Or does he tread the more >familiar territory of instrumental fusion (a la Greg Howe, Tony MacAlpine, >etc)? Well, Ron Thal approaches Greg Howe's lightning speed, but he is more experimental than Howe. On the debut album Ron Thal plays like if it were the best album that Steve Vai never released. I borrowed the album, and didn't get to listen to all the songs all the way through, but he definately has a bunch of influences. The song "Ick" really blew me away. It was a flamenco song. BTW, anyone know why Ron Thal left Shrapnel? Walter. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 20:26:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Jay Omega To: Just Words Subject: A Marillion post; I must reply... Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Mark Bredius wrote: > about the new album. That's why I'm glad Chris Ptacek's back on the > list. At least he has a brain and knows how to use it... Ben's back > too now. :-) Guys, I think it's time to take out the trash ! ;-) Please! > Lars Hellsten wrote : > > I can distinctly remember being attracted to girls as young as age > > 7-8, > Hey, Hellsten... leave those kids alone ! Does being negative-one qualify as being a kid? > Razvan Tudose wrote about Marillion's masterpiece "Brave" : > > Uhm ... I dunno how to say this , but ... Brave is SUCH a bore. > Well, it *IS* a bore if you use intro scan or use it as background > music. But under the right conditions, it'll be the most brilliant > album you've ever heard ! It works on so many levels... All of the > songs are connected, either musically or lyrically. There are lots > of things that link the songs together. It's moody, it's emotional > and deep, it makes you feel, it makes you think... It can move you > to tears, if you'll let it. What did I start? One mention of crying during 'Brave,' and the Jam is full of sensitive '90's guys :-) Seriously, if Brave _can't_ get you teary-eyed, you need to a) read along with the lyric book once or twice so you get the whole story, and b) listen closer. If you can listen past "see the little girl, spi-ral-ling down, this is a photo-graph of who she is now..." without crying, then you are an emotional rock. (as in tough, not as in stupid). > It takes some time to get used to it, > but it's all worth while... You'll either love or hate this album, > but if you give it half a chance, I'm sure it'll be the former... Yup. It's Marillion's best album (IMHF) but also their least accessible. > > and all the magic of the Fish years is gone, both lyrically and > > musically. I thought (from alt.music.marillion) that Fish had nothing to do with the music; the other four wrote it and Fish added lyrics. I could just be lost in (the) space, though. > Fish' lyrics were romantic, poetic, cryptic... Hard to understand > but great to read/hear... They probably seem more direct to someone from his side of the pond; we 'Mericans have to figure out what 'punting on the Cam' is and what it means to have a 'heart of Lothian' before we can get the meaning of the songs. (Thank god for the a.m.m. FAQ!) > Anyway, if you're having a hard time getting into "Brave", simply > follow the 'instructions' in the booklet... Listen to it LOUD and > with the LIGHTS OFF (headphones also help). This is good advice for any 'depressing'-sounding music. APSoGray, 'Firth of Fifth' by Genesis, etc. all sound better/more emotional this way. Even 'A Mind Beside Itself' is cool like this, and it's not really depressing... > IMO, there are three kinds of music... There's the kind you dance > to... The kind you put on as background music... And then there's > the kind of music you LISTEN to. Marillion's music is the latter. What about the kind where you run around your living room banging your head and playing air guitar to a song in 17/16 time? > If you're a metal head ONLY, don't even bother... Oh. I see. > Oh yeah, Marillion is one of Mike Portnoy's many favourite bands. > He called Spock's Beard the best prog band since Marillion. 'Since?' 'Since??' They're still here!! They should have a new album out stateside this month (lucky Europeans got it already...) > Disclaimer: Just because a lot of Ytsejammers are into Marillion, > that doesn't mean you will love their music too. If it turns out > that you don't like their music, don't bitch and moan about it... > If you claim you don't like them after only a few listens, you're > an idiot. People usually don't love Marillion's music after their > first listen. Give it time. But above all, give it a fair chance, > just like you did with Dream Theater. It'll pay off in the end... I maintain that music isn't _really_ good if this _isn't_ the case. I _want_ to hear something new the fifth, or even fiftieth time I listen to an album. (Of course, what's currently under the laser doesn't qualify; pop music can be good, too...) --Jay "catching up; 67/116 now" Omega --Still playing: Meat Loaf - Midnight @ the Lost & Found ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 20:36:49 -0500 (CDT) From: alex fraser To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Bad mood songs Message-ID: hmm... this is an interesting thread... but i think i have a different take on it all... when i've got the blues, i listen to the blues... Miles Davis - Kind of Blue. oh yeah... doesn't get any better than that at all... other favorites, while not the blues, include Alice in Chains' "Jar of Flies", and the Jayhawks' "Hollywood Town Hall"... basically anything with some minor chords... but those two are my favs... latah, twistyid ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 97 05:09:39 +0200 From: "Ollila Marko" To: Ytse Jam (Dream Theater Mailing List) Subject: Bad mood songs, logic, neo-classical guitar, Mi Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids.... Oh, I just love logic. What's not possible is im-possible and someone who doesn't post is an im-...! Whoa! Who would've thought of that! :o [Bad mood songs] For me the best stuff to listen to while I'm having one of my bad mood swings is Ulver's "Kveldssanger". It's totally acoustic, utterly depressive and very monotone yet very melancholic and beautiful. It just takes me so down that there's nowhere to go but up. Mr. Gallop, I know you have this disc too, have you used it as a medication for bad mood swings? [Neo-classical guitar] We've all heard Yngwie. Forget him, he's gone stale (but I can't wait his totally classical album). Some of us have heard of Chris Impellitteri. Granted, he shreds like no one else. Can anyone tell me if "Answer to the Master" is as good as "Screaming Symphony" and "Stand in Line"? Here's my tip of the day for the connoiseurs of neo-classical guitar virtuoso: get Timo Tolkki's "Classical Variations and Themes". You'll be surprised. Btw, MICHAEL.ANGELO was here in Helsinki a week ago promoting Washburn guitars. How low can a former guitar hero get? Yikes. For the one who said that Spice Girls suck hard, are you sure you weren't just dreaming? *lecherous grin* Guys, no matter what your sexual preferences are, you're all gynoticolobomassophiles, methinks. :) _Mape_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 19:18:05 -0700 From: Rick Audet To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Bad mood songs Message-ID: Okay, I'll comment. I've had great success during a bout with depression with: The Cure, _Pornography_ The Cure, _Disintegration_ (selected tracks) Depression at its finest. Rick Audet Dolby Labs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 22:15:54 -0400 From: windows user To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Virtual Songs Message-ID: Hi guys, gals, homo's and hetero's,=20 I just thought (since I've been reading your squabbles for about 3 years = now and never contributed), that I'd give an opinion on some new music.=20 Mike B's VS discs are almost more than you can possibly ask for. I mean, = there is so much music there, that the biggest complaint that I can = think of is TIME. I can't find the time to sit down and enjoy it!!! He really packed this one full of a great live event. It's not the best = sounding Rush bootleg out there, but for all of the stuff I've heard = from the current tour-it's one of the best. Lots of bass drum, crisp = drums, and good definition. At times a little loud obnoxious crowd but, = it gives you that 'concert atmosphere' really well.=20 So, it's pricey, but for those collectors out there that enjoy enough = music to keep you occupied for a couple of days, it's really a good = deal. Thanks Mike-again.=20 Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 19:54:42 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: imposter says what? Message-ID: Wow! I've never seen such a grander display of one kissing his own ass! Amazing! But I gotta say, that's the FIRST award I've won in a loooong friggin' time. *bows* I'd like to thank all the little people at Kelloggs for producing those great, tasty, chocolate Pop Tarts. I couldn't have done it without you! Oof...now I could be construed as kissing my own ass....eep... Anyways...who's the Ytse-asshole of the month this month? I need whoever's keepin' the tabs on that grand award to tell me, as I alas, have no web access. I have a good idea though... >;) ~Eckie gets medievel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 00:16:13 -0300 From: email_address_removed.br (Mário) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re:neo-classical guitar Message-ID: >[Neo-classical guitar] >We've all heard Yngwie. Forget him, he's gone stale (but I can't wait his >totally classical album). Yngwie isn't stale...Yngwie is great!Timo Tolkki is great,too,but Yngwie made 15 ago what Tolkki is making now... >Here's my >tip of the day for the connoiseurs of neo-classical guitar virtuoso: get >Timo Tolkki's "Classical Variations and Themes". You'll be surprised. I like very much this album,but all Stratovarius' albums are better than this...One of my favorites neo-classical albums is Jason Becker's "Perpetual Burn"... Mario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 22:20:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Jay Omega To: Just Words Subject: Re: Bad Mood Songs Message-ID: Well, I since the original poster didn't specify 'music to keep me depressed' or 'music to undepress me,' here's two of each: * Staying Depressed: Anekdoten - Vemod. Very dark. And moody. And dark. It makes 'A pleasant shade of gray' sound frolicsome. Lots of mellotron and minor chords. Did I mention that it was dark? Live - Throwing Copper. Not all the tracks are depressing, and some toe the line between 'depressed' and 'angst-ridden,' but moody in general. * Undepressing slowly: Renaissance - Song of Scheherazade (from Sch. and Other Stories or KBFH volume I). A 22+ minute musical rendition of the 1001 Arabian Nights story. Starts gloomy, finishes in a Middle-Eastern fevstival sort of tone. Renaissance, for those of you that don't know, is Annie Haslam on vocals (makes Mariah Carey's vocal range look worthless and weak!), John Tout on keys, Michael Dunford on acoustic guitar & backing vox, Jon Camp on bass (which plays the 'lead guitar' parts :), and Terence Sullivan on drums. Oh, and the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra. Makes for quite a unique sound. Marillion - Misplaced Childhood. A story of unrequited love, the pains of the man who went through it, and his 'rebirth' in the end. Fish wrote this about _his_ experience with a girl named Kayleigh. * Undepressing quickly: Pendragon - The World. Just tracks 1 and 2; and 5 if you want to mix in a little depressing stuff. One of Clive Nolan's many bands (he's keys for Arena and Shadowland and IQ and...probably a bunch of others) These songs are happy enough to be a progressive Bananarama. Tempest - Turn of the Wheel. Just the instrumental tracks (2, 5?, 9, 11?). Rock renditions of folk music from the world's party people, the Irish. (I can say that 'cuz I'm part Irish :) Can't go wrong there for pick-me-up music. Just don't kick the coffee table when you're dancing a jig... Hope that helps! --Jay "Skadz cracks down! MPEG at 11!" Omega --NP: Boston - s/t ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 23:22:02 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: MOOD SONGS Message-ID: When I need that extra boost to get me going I listen to either: "Under A Glass Moon" or "Scarred" These two songs give me areal adrenaline rush!!!!!! Just plain awesome!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 23:35:05 -0400 From: "Jeremy P. Kube" To: email_address_removed Subject: Rush Recommendations Message-ID: Hmmm... I would suggest "Presto" or "Hold Your Fire". No particular reason, they're just two of my faves, so I thought I'd share that with ya :o) I don't agree. I would listen to "Counterparts" or "Roll the bones" all of the new stuff is easier to get into if you are a "novice" Rush listener. I am into all of it, but I would recommend these two albums to the "new" listener. Rock on! J ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 23:38:27 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse Subject: more rush stuff :) Message-ID: > From: email_address_removed (Dan Temmesfeld) > Subject: Re: N E W D R E A M T H E A T E R CD-Title! > > > "FALLING INTO INFINITY" > > is this for real...i guess i better go check the rsabbs page... I don't know if it's up there yet or not (I haven't looked), but this was from the horse's mouth. ---- > From: Adam Barnhart > Subject: Leptin > > I normally understand there to be the four periods of the band, delimited by > the live albums. You certainly can make the argument that "Fly By Night" > essentially carries out a flow of albums that carries to "Hemispheres," but > you've gotta treat the first album as a special case. It's blues-rock, > basically, without the sci-fi, albeit with some awfully good playing. Alex Agreed. I *almost* think of that album as being from a different band (because it essentially is). > "Permanent Waves" to "PRESTO?" No way...."Signals" was a pretty radical > break for the band, and, by the time you get to "Presto," you're talking > about a radically different sound. You've gotta break it up somewhere in Well, I was going to choose Hold Your Fire instead of Presto to go with that live album thing (which IMO fails with 2112 and AFTK, anyway). But I thought Presto was techno enough to classify as Pop/Electronic. > period. There IS a difference between "Hemispheres" and "Permanent Waves." > There's a bigger one between "Moving Pictures" and "Signals." I've had a lot of people say this to me, and I disagree wholeheartedly. I don't see how "La Villa" is more like "The Spirit of Radio" than "Limelight" is like "Subdivisions" (and I could make countless similar analogies). I also ended that first category at Hemispheres because, with the possible exceptions again of "The Camera Eye" and "Natural Science," I think the influence that Rush has had on Mike, John, and John is from those albums, and the influence they had on KevMo (if any) is from the later ones. Not that there isn't some intermingling there, but Kev seems more susceptible to that "Losing It" sort of feel. > Yeah. I'll go for that. They've stripped down the sound a lot over the > last three records. Am I the only one, though, who thinks that "Test For > Echo" is a little LESS guitar-oriented than "Counterparts." The last album > has a noisier mix, but a little less in the guitar department, I'd say. It's easy to think that because Counterparts was the first real guitar album from them since the 70s. That's when Alex came out of the control room and played in the same room as his speakers. ("Feedback on a Rush album?!?") TFE is less over-the-top, guitarwise, but still far more so than, say, Presto. Just my thoughts. Feel free, everyone, to dissect and criticize. -d P.S. The FAQ's almost done. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 22:44:13 -0500 From: Chris Ptacek To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2710 Message-ID: >From: Lars Hellsten >From: Christian Albert Schulze Wow. The last three jams have been beautiful for me. I mean... real Ytse-Pride. And who'da thunk Lars would have been one of the dudes responsible for it? Way to go, guys. Now on to the new age of Ytsejammin'! >From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" >Subject: Ron Thal >After hearing some guitaristic praise for Ron Thal on the jam (in between >discussions of being gay, religion, etc) I picked up the disc "Hermit" from a >used bin recently. YES! YES YESS! You have done WELL, Daniel-son. >I must say that Ron's solos are frighteningly good - the man can PLAY. Not only can he play, but like no one else. Take a moment to revel in the sheer originality of his stuff.... there is no one that plays quite like him! And I've been SEARCHING like a Madsman! >However, the songs themselves caught me way off guard. Some sound a little, >dare I say, grungy.. And a couple tunes are very reminiscent of Rage Against >the Machine. I have to spend some more time letting this disc sink in, but I >know I definitely love the *solos*. They are definatly a new sound, but once you realize that some of them are joke songs, and the grungy ones are actually very emotional, you find yourself drawn in. It's not like anything anyone's ever done before. Maybe I was just overly touched by the guy's work... but man did it rock my world. >Can anyone out there (oh no, I said "out") who is more familiar with Ron Thal >let me know if his other album(s) are similar? Or does he tread the more >familiar territory of instrumental fusion (a la Greg Howe, Tony MacAlpine, >etc)? Ron is completely unique and covers EVERY style. Bumblefoot may be more your cup of tea, since there's no grunge there. The legendary Ron Thal demos are out there somewhere too... I need those. :) He's just about done with his new album, which will be heavier, more guitar and drum intense, and almost definitely NOT ON SHRAPNEL. These are the words from the man himself! He'd love to hear what you have to say about his music... the man rules up a windstorm, and is nice as can be. email_address_removed (yes, I'm gonna get him off AOL.. Only a matter of Time). Now we're talking real SHRED on the jam, AND Ron Thal! Wow! My DTC: I've decided that the 4th of July is the official DT holiday, because on every incindiary device and explosive I purchased, the words "Light Fuse and Get AWAY!" appeared on the label! Rock on, and Ytse it up! Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC "Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2713 **************************