YTSEJAM Digest 2697 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Both of them in one digest! What are the odds? by Brandon Elhai 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2695 by email_address_removed (Scott R Luttringer) 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2696 by email_address_removed 4) Strangers in Paradise (again) by Phil Carter 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2693 by "Blondie Smurf" 6) What's at issue? by The Digital Man 7) Beliefs, or lack thereof by Pat Sullivan 8) Treasure Land by "Magnus Lind" 9) Falling... by Lars Hellsten 10) Re: a lot of stuff by email_address_removed 11) A gay post (as in 'happy') by Mark Bredius 12) A NOT so gay (as in 'happy') post by Mark Bredius 13) Queensryche by Soul Madness 14) "Imposter" with no wee.wee by "Vincent G. LuPone" 15) "Imposter" with no wee.wee by "Vincent G. LuPone" 16) Multitrackers (NDTC) by Timothy Templeton ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 13:55:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Both of them in one digest! What are the odds? Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Jul 1997, The Digital Man wrote: > > I only scan this posting and this is the second time a person has posted > > about being a homosexual in less than a week. As you older Jammers know I > > don't put forth an effort to be politically correct. I'd rather just shoot > > "Don't put forth an effort to be politically correct"? No, Mike, you're > an ignorant, hateful, tasteless asshole who has no place on this list. Chill out. He's stating his opinion. Nothing wrong with that. > Do us all a favor, Mike. Get off our list, and, if you must reply, do so > in private, if you can manage to live without seeing your name in print. Another clear example of jammers not willing to deal with other peoples' opinions. Many jammers won't agree with what Michael was saying, but ya know what? Tough shit. At least he's honest. A lot of people at my school are too PC to know what honesty really is. You may not like people who are homophobes, but this is a MUSIC list, not a gay lovers list. Now if Michael was bashing Dream Theater in every single post that would be a different story. Brandon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 11:45:15 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Scott R Luttringer) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2695 Message-ID: >> From: email_address_removed >> It would be nice for all of the homos/lesbians and other persons who like >> to perform unnatural acts with their body and other peoples bodies to get >> back in the closet and lock the door. > >Mr Coghlan, why not just fuck off to heaven and leave us to sin in >peace? > >Graham Thanks Graham. You so eloquently put into words what I think many people think about this loser. Couldn't have said it better myself. :) Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 16:44:26 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2696 Message-ID: i see that eckie's favorite hockey team is the.............calgary flames??!?! fuck all you healthy people ytsegoon ************************************************************************** david y. kobayashi email_address_removed "i bring truth and understanding, i bring wit and wisdom fair- precious gifts beyond compare." -neil peart ************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 16:46:29 -0400 From: Phil Carter To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: Strangers in Paradise (again) Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids... John McCabe wants to know: >To whoever posted about that Image comic(I forget the name something >with a P) could you email the number and the title, pretty please. I don't remember seeing anything about Image comics recently (thank God). I did post a quick review of a recent "Strangers in Paradise" issue which featured lyrics by DT in the background. It was issue #7 of the current series, for anybody *else* that wants to know. :) (posted and emailed) Cheers, Phil ========================================================= Phil Carter -- email_address_removed http://www.negia.net/~carter "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach "Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired, gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 13:56:54 PDT From: "Blondie Smurf" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2693 Message-ID: >Picked up my comics for the week today. This week's loot included Terry >Moore's "Strangers in Paradise," currently one of my favorites and a >kickass book to boot. <> >So anyway, I'm flipping through it and come to a scene of a crowded bar, >with music playing in the background. I looked once at the lyrics, then >looked again. No mistake: "Pull Me Under" was playing on the sound system! >Very cool! Cool.. What's the comic about, if you want to email me about it instead of spamming the 'jam with stuff that's not really DT/prog stuff... always looking for another good comic.. Graham wrote: --8<--snip--8<-- >Yep, Tommy is back in Styx, he sounds great on the new 'Return To Paradise' >live album, check it out, it rocks harder than you thought Styx ever could. I'm a really big fan of classic rock as well as prog/metal, and Styx is touring this summer, the Grand Illusion Tour '97. They were here in St. Louis about two weeks ago. Concert kicked ass--only problem was the fact that I had lawn seats, and it rained all night, only stopping for the last encore, and the opening act. (Ended up sitting on a slip'n'slide with some other people with a tarp over our heads.) If you decide to go see it, as a warning, they're touring with Pat Benatar. (She sucked. All her songs sound the same. Why couldn't they have toured with Kansas again? Then that concert would've kicked SERIOUS ass.) Great concert, they did some of their new stuff that's on the Return to Paradise album and of course, the old stuff. If you like classic rock, go see Styx, it was worth the $15 ticket. Alison |\_/| |@ @| +--------------vvvV----Vvvv-----------------+ | V"V | | Alison Clark | email_address_removed | +------------------------------------------------+ | http://members.aol.com/bardtirla/lair.html | +------------------------------------------------+ | "And answer a call while you still hear at all | | 'Cause nobody will if you won't." -K. Moore | +------------------------------------------------+ | "Death is the first dance eternal. Deceit is | | the second without end. Love is the dance | | of eternity." -J. Petrucci | +------------------------------------------------+ _______________________________________________________ Get Private Web-Based Email Free http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 17:17:28 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse Subject: What's at issue? Message-ID: > From: durnik > Subject: Michael Coghlan > > You know, I'm genuinely disappointed in some of you Jammers > tonight. > > Michael Coghlan's opinions may not be popular, and I don't > necessarily agree with any of them, but he has a backbone... a spine... he > knows how he feels and he sticks to it. Most people are so spineless, they > stay safely on the PC bandwagon so nobody will think they're "insensitive" > or "evil". White liberal guilt. (before anyone jumps on my politically, > remember that I'm a registered libertarian, and that throws most of your > arguments against me out the window). OK, I agree that Coghlan has strong views, and that he's resilient in his charge to stand up for what he believes. However, why weoudl you assume that a post like mine (and I'll assume that it was my post that promted yours) is an attempt to be PC? PC is a buzzword to me, like Top-40. I'll listen to top-40 stuff if I like it, and I'll espouse some PC views if I like them. But I never think or feel (or listen to) anything simply because I think other people will be impressed. And whether I'm insensitive or evil, I suppose, is in the eye of the beholder. > Think for yourselves, people. And when someone actually has the > nuts to stick with what they believe in, it's a damned crying shame that > the rest of you have to rip and tear at him like a bunch of MTV-News > anchors. Are you all so dedicated to the PC standard?? I don't know what the PC standard is. The standard to which I'm dedicated is the standard that there are no fundamental differences between any two human beings. No one should have to remain silent, or "locked in the closet," either for lifestyle choices, or for biological conditions. I didn't react to Coghlan's post because it seemed the hip thing to do. I reacted because he told some of our fellow jammers to go back into the closet and lock it, for no reason other than what they are. This, to me, is fundamentally inhuman, and I for one intend to stand up and tell the world that no one has the right to judge one person's lifestyle better or worse than another's. Not to mention the fact that nothing he posted about had anything to do with music. > Just the fact that you're hardcore enough of a > fan of DT to be on the Jam tells me that you can respect the position of > someone with an unpopular opinion, and that you know that perhaps there > are times when the right way isn't the way you thought it was. And you I respect the fact that Coghlan has strong opinions, and I respect the fact that he's not likely to change his opinions. However, I can not respect the fact that he would return to a list that he was once kicked off of, a list devoted to the discussion of music, by the way, and tell other list members that they're perverted and belong in a closet. There are plenty of hate organizations in the US. I'm sure he can find some kindred spirits in Texas to whom he can spout his fear and loathing of homosexuals, and non-Christians generally, without having to blow his steam here. > That being said, I think you all ought to take back the stones you > threw at Michael, and keep them as ammo... we'll need them to defend our > beliefs and lifestyles as the world slides further toward the sewer. I can't do that, Mike. I will defend to the death Michael's right to think and feel what he chooses, and even to convey those feelings in an appropriate forum. But this is *not* it. > PS. Please don't anyone think I'm a doomsayer... I'm in this for the fun > of it too. But I'll be double-dog-damned if I'm going to let my opinions > be trampled upon... or watch the same happen to those of someone else. I don't like to see anyone's opinions get trampled. But some opinions just don't belong here. I didn't respond to Michael because I disagree with him. I responded because his viewpoints have *no* place here. Let's hope it ends here. -d ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 17:26:12 -0400 From: Pat Sullivan To: email_address_removed Subject: Beliefs, or lack thereof Message-ID: > That being said, I think you all ought to take back the stones you >threw at Michael, and keep them as ammo... we'll need them to defend our >beliefs and lifestyles as the world slides further toward the sewer. I'm one of the people that railed against Mr. Couglan. Contrary to many of the others who did as well, I consider myself a conservative, inasmuch as I may agree with many of the opinions that he presented. I am not against people having opinions, and I did not lash out because I disagreed with his assessments. I did it because irregardless of the depth of Mr. Coughlan's beliefs, that kind of discussion *under no circumstances* belongs on this list. If anybody wishes to discuss these kinds of topics, feel free to send me a private e-mail. I enjoy political discussion in the appropriate forum. The list isn't it, though, so if you do it here, you can expect to be remonstrated for it. ________Pat Sullivan__________________________________ E-mail: email_address_removed WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator NP: "Working Man" - A Rush Tribute ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 00:01:12 +0200 From: "Magnus Lind" To: Subject: Treasure Land Message-ID: I´ve been to this list for awhile and I look forward to the new dt album as much as all of you.while you guys are waiting take look at my bands homesite and listen to some clips of our debut "Questions".You are also free to write some lines in our guestbook. Btw hve any any of you here on the jam heard us yet? //Mangan "Bassist-TL" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 18:00:04 -0400 From: Lars Hellsten To: email_address_removed Subject: Falling... Message-ID: >Now it's official, I'm proud to present the new CD-title: > >"FALLING INTO INFINITY" > >That's the title the band has chosen finally (hopefully...). >Okay, sit back, suck it in and watch out for more to come!! Holy testicle tubes! You mean the new album is going to be about singularities? My only question is: is it about falling into a black hole, or the collapse of the universe? Anyway, wow. The guys are really getting pretty deep and intellectual here! But you'd think they'd have been a little more creative though and called it like "Beyond the Event Horizon" or something ('cause once you're beyond it, you like wouldn't be able to stop falling man...) Also, if you're falling towards infinity, wouldn't the fall be infinitely long? And if so, you would never get INTO infinity, so how could you be falling into infinity? Wouldn't you be falling TOWARDS infinity? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 19:20:15 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: a lot of stuff Message-ID: Hello all... I know i havent 'spoken' on here b4, but i figured the time was right... What ive been seeing as of late is a lot of opinions about tangents that everyone has to have a say in (point in case, me ;} ) As we all well know everyone has a say in everything else... (u know the drill, homosexuality, and all the other lovely topics that have been popping up since the intruder invaded the list and threw us into a tailspin) My suggestion is that we bury this bloody hatchet, and not in each other. OK, ive had my say, now on to bigger and better things.... My boyfriend Rob is getting me into Rush, and though i dont have any of their music _yet_ i have seen plenty of lyrics and read a number of posts about them... so, i want to know, so that i dont appear like an idiot (which is an unfortuante habit) what exactly is the talk about what goes on at concerts when they play 2112 (lord let me have gotten the name right) anyway, now that ive mentioned something to be disected, please, feel free to email me personally... ciao! ;} Lisa email_address_removed ..opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. All you can do is wipe it when the shit comes out and hope you dont get any splash back.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 01:15:37 +0200 From: Mark Bredius To: "'Ytsejam'" Subject: A gay post (as in 'happy') Message-ID: Joost Winter asked : > Does anybody have, or know where to find, a MIDI-file > to Space-Dye Vest? You can find a Space-Dye Vest MIDI by Scott Fuller on the "Under A Cyber Moon" website (I'm currently maintainging it for Rudy van IJzendoorn). The URL is : U n d e r a C y b e r M o o n http://www.prognosis.com/dream/ :-) _____ For those interested in checking out some Marillion real audios, take a look at the "Marillionizing" section of Itchy's Marillion Homepage at http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ :-) _____ If you're already a Marillion fan and are interested in H, Steve Hogarth's solo project, take a look at my "H Website"... It has news, lyrics, covers, live pictures, interviews, reviews *and* a list of places where you can get his album "Ice Cream Genius" or "You Dinosaur Thing" single... You can find the "H Website" at : http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/h/ _____ Christopher Ptacek said : > I was born a dick. It doesn't take much work to maintain that stature. > :) But I think you're maybe reading a little too much into what I say, > if anyone's offended by that post. I wasn't offended, Mads. I was just kidding :-) Please say the legendary words "You're being a dick", for old time's sake :-) Mark email_address_removed No matter what I say or do, it never looks _ _____ ___ _ _ __ __ like making any difference. Don't focus all |:||_.:._|/:._]|:]_[:|\.\_/./ your anger and resentment that you have. |:| |:| (.:(_ |:___:| \_::/ Don't blame it on me. Don't blame it on me. |_| [_] \___]|_] [_| [__/ _________________________________________________________________________ Itchy's Homepage - http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 01:21:11 +0200 From: Mark Bredius To: "'Ytsejam'" Subject: A NOT so gay (as in 'happy') post Message-ID: Mike Bahr wrote : > Michael Coghlan's opinions may not be popular, and I don't necessarily > agree with any of them, but he has a backbone... a spine... he knows > how he feels and he sticks to it. Nevermind the fact that in some countries it's *illegal* to say the crap Mr Coghlan posted. Also think about all the gay people he hurt with his ignorant comments. I really hope the guys from DT are NOT lurking on this list, 'cuz this shit would probably make them puke. Are you guys sure this is the same list that was responsible for DT getting the chance to record ACoS ? > That being said, I think you all ought to take back the stones you > threw at Michael, and keep them as ammo... > we'll need them to defend our beliefs and lifestyles as the world > slides further toward the sewer. Does that include the beliefs and lifestyles that are being condemned by our pal, Michael Coghlan and people like him ? _____ Woot wrote : > How often does someone one day decide "hmm I think I'll be black." I hope you're not implying that being gay is a matter of choice ? Mark email_address_removed No matter what I say or do, it never looks _ _____ ___ _ _ __ __ like making any difference. Don't focus all |:||_.:._|/:._]|:]_[:|\.\_/./ your anger and resentment that you have. |:| |:| (.:(_ |:___:| \_::/ Don't blame it on me. Don't blame it on me. |_| [_] \___]|_] [_| [__/ _________________________________________________________________________ Itchy's Homepage - http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 97 19:31 EDT From: Soul Madness To: email_address_removed Subject: Queensryche Message-ID: Just picked up the Queensryche CD Operation:Mindcrime and although, I have had it on tape before, I never liked the album. But I listened to it again when I bought it and love it. My musical tastes must be expanding. Anyhow, can someone please send me an interpretation (storyline) of O:M. If you can, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks Don R. Compton email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 22:19:02 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" To: email_address_removed Subject: "Imposter" with no wee.wee Message-ID: Excuse me please everybody, you all know this isn't normally like me, but this clumsy fucker deserves it... >Jeremy Hay.. oops >The Impostor That Took the Ytsejam > Hey, FUCK OFF, YOU STUPID SHIT!! The Ytsejam is for talking about music and related topics, not to "teach a lesson to the hypocrites of the world." If you really examine what you did, you moron, you'd see that you are the biggest hypocrite of them all. Ya know, not only did you piss people off, fuck with someone's life, and make yourself out to be an asshole, but you're not even man enough to stand behind your work, you fuckin' pansy. Too fucking scared of the consequences to even put a name on an immature post. What? Are you afraid someone might write something bad to you? OOOOOOH! Are you afraid of what some other ytsejammer might do to you? If I was Chris Merlo, I'd get a big burly gay friend of mine to hunt you down and fuck YOU up the ass! You're a fucking wuss, plain and simple. Vince LuPone, proud member of the Ytsejam Mailing List. ...and I don't care if you don't like it, fuck you. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 23:37:44 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" To: email_address_removed Subject: "Imposter" with no wee.wee Message-ID: Excuse me please everybody, you all know this isn't normally like me, but this clumsy fucker deserves it... >Jeremy Hay.. oops >The Impostor That Took the Ytsejam > Hey, FUCK OFF, YOU STUPID SHIT!! The Ytsejam is for talking about music and related topics, not to "teach a lesson to the hypocrites of the world." If you really examine what you did, you moron, you'd see that you are the biggest hypocrite of them all. Ya know, not only did you piss people off, fuck with someone's life, and make yourself out to be an asshole, but you're not even man enough to stand behind your work, you fuckin' pansy. Too fucking scared of the consequences to even put a name on an immature post. What? Are you afraid someone might write something bad to you? OOOOOOH! Are you afraid of what some other ytsejammer might do to you? If I was Chris Merlo, I'd get a big burly gay friend of mine to hunt you down and fuck YOU up the ass! You're a fucking wuss, plain and simple. Vince LuPone, proud member of the Ytsejam Mailing List. ...and I don't care if you don't like it, fuck you. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 00:55:08 +0000 From: Timothy Templeton To: email_address_removed Subject: Multitrackers (NDTC) Message-ID: <19970705005506.AAA12789@LOCALNAME> I just bought a Tascam 414 last weekend & was wondering if any 'jammers have had any experience with this animal. I'm doing pretty good with it, so far (I've recorded 3 songs, one cover to try it out & 2 orig's). I got it so it might help me get used to the "recorded" sound as I am going in the studio later this months to lay some tracks down. I tend to find the miked sound (Shure BG 2.1) better than the line in. The EQ'ing seems to be easier. Tim Templeton Kent, WA ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2697 **************************