YTSEJAM Digest 2679 Today's Topics: 1) Looking to trade for shredder CDs/tapes by (Chung Ng) 2) Mike Bahr CDs for trade by (Chung Ng) 3) Mtl show... by Mathieu Ferland 4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2676 by Eric Rodger 5) FAQ? by Brian Wherry 6) Re: Jerry McGuire, Return Of Digital Thing by Anton Max 7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2678 by Chad Martin 8) Thanks by WhiteWolf 9) Two Dimes a Dozen by Adam Barnhart 10) Vai, Face/Off and other stuff... by Buck Stodgers 11) Hi and defense of metal by Beth Elzinga 12) elevator sex by David Alderman 13) Chris Merlo... by durnik 14) by email_address_removed 15) by email_address_removed 16) Re: your mail by email_address_removed 17) Paramaecium - a novel idea by BrentReurich ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 97 11:24:56 EDT From: (Chung Ng) To: Subject: Looking to trade for shredder CDs/tapes Message-ID: In high school, I bought just about everything that Shrapnel records put out as well as stuff from all the up-and-coming shredmasters. If anyone wants to swap tapes, please let me know. I'm not into it as much anymore (nor do I have the extra $$$ to waste on Craig Goldy and Ritchie Kotzen CDs...), but I do enjoy listening to them once in a while. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 97 11:30:18 EDT From: (Chung Ng) To: Subject: Mike Bahr CDs for trade Message-ID: If anyone has any of the "newer" Mike Bahr CDs that they would like to trade, I have "Scenes From a Memory", "Antiquiites" and "When Dream and Today Unite". I'd like to get "Precious Things", "Darkest of Winters" and any other Mike Bahr creation. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:33:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Mathieu Ferland To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Mtl show... Message-ID: After, this show, I clarified some things: -There is 2 guys in Neil body, one for his arms and one for his legs. This was my idea after the first part of the drum solo(the one in three). -Geddy can still reach the higher in freewill! I was so proud of him! -Alex's solos are better than ever. -Some people don't have a place in a Rush show. The girl in front of me had her peak in roll the bones. Most of the time, she was sit. -"Hey! Wake up! You have 2112 full version in front of you!" -"What? 21 what?" -"Nevermind..." And she went to the bar during Natural Science... Ferls PS. D-man! Where were you? I checked all green caps of the Peel pub! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:34:00 -0400 From: Eric Rodger To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2676 Message-ID: >I take issue not only with your homophobic reference, but to your lack of >knowledge in general concerning the Crue. Motley stopped using hairspray to >any outrageous extent by the beginning of the Dr. Feelgood era and had >completely done away with it before Decade Of Decadence came out. In >addition, they had dropped both the glam and the leather image by the time >Feelgood came out, right as a lot of bands started copying that look. And if >you had ever read the lyrics to a lot of Crue songs, you would see that >although they have their share of "Girls, Girls, Girls" type of songs, they >also have a lot of provatative lyrics as well, even as early as "Shout At The >Devil," not that there is anything wrong with writing about "elevator sex," >(which was done by Aerosmith, not Motley). > >Richie > As much as I'm on the side of Richie concerning most of his 80's views, I have to point out that "10 seconds to love" from the Shout at the Devil album, is indeed about 'elevator sex'. I also have to state that after a week of listening, Generation Swine is my least favorite album of theirs. Dickinson's Accident of Birth is the best album I have heard in probably 5 years. KAI ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:45:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Wherry To: email_address_removed Subject: FAQ? Message-ID: Bafu wrote: > > Of course, you could just READ THE FUCKING FAQ. It might be in there. > > Ahem. That's "FUQING" faq. I thought it's the fuqing fack. Oh well. BTW, I wonder if MP still digs Mike Tyson..... Wacky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:12:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Anton Max To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Jerry McGuire, Return Of Digital Thing Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, S. Borzilleri wrote: > Well I had to admire the step Tom Cruise took away from his usual self, > becoming a helpless agent who actually NEEDED other people. I didn't know > he could squirm. Quite a change from his usual role of, say, a young cocky > racecar driver, or a young cocky airforce pilot, or a young cocky > prosecuting attorney, or a young cocky bartender, or a young cocky warrior > saving the world from Darkness, or a young cocky Irish boxer, or a young > cocky billiard champion... I'm waiting for an oscar-winning young cocky > magician who wins over the heart of Princess Di. Or something. > I feel I must stand up for Tom Cruise here. You're ignoring a third of his acting range. He's not just young and cocky. He's also Brash. And no, Brash and cocky are not the same thing. Well, not exactly. Not entirely anyway. But no one does Brash like Tom Cruise. -maximilian Anton Max MadMax+@cmu.edu http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:51:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Chad Martin To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2678 Message-ID: > Drain - Horror Wrestling > > I try and listen to this without thinking 'oh yeah, this is that hot chick band > from Sweden'. It works. Simple, hard music, sometimes quite heavy, well played > but no brilliance (you don't need it for this sort of music). These girls are > a serious band, not some leather bitch band dreamt up by some impotent record > lable executive in order to fulfill his fantasies. Who needs the Spice Girls? > 8/10 I agree fully. Saw them at Ozzfest 8 days ago. By far the best second stage act. Even surpassed some of the main stage acts (Fear Factory), IMO. Drain will definitely be one of my next CD purchases. The only thing that bugged me is that the only band with a drummer that plays simpler beats than Drain is AC\DC. A monkey could drum AC\DC. It would take a smart monkey to drum Drain. Lastly, the lead singer kinda looks like Sebastian Bach from a distance. :) Chad Martin email_address_removed email_address_removed O- "Remember that the Scrye values are completely mythical and have no semblance to any reality that we may inhabit." - Neil Kirby ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:51:27 -0500 From: WhiteWolf To: Ytsejam Subject: Thanks Message-ID: To the jam: I wanted to drop a line to say thank you to all those who took the time to write and support me with your get well wishes. Techrat showed me every jam and e-mail I received about my accident. It's cool to know that the jam really does care for it's own, despite any difference of opinion. I'm sorry I'm not able to personally respond to all the e-mails; Techrat killed most of them on me. (Way to go, bud!) Since one handed typing is kinda useless, I think I'll be lurking for a while. Once again, thank you. WhiteWolf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:57:57 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart To: email_address_removed Subject: Two Dimes a Dozen Message-ID: >From: "S. Borzilleri" > >VH-1 never had gameshows or stories about people floundering around in >real life all recorded for your viewing pleasure. ;) Not that "Remote >Control" wasn't quality television, I mean where would Cari Wuhrer be if >not for that show? And didn't she set the precedent for future hostesses >like Jenny McCarthy and Carmen Elektra? Aha? AHAAA??? See the domino >effect now? Yeah...I didn't end up minding Kari Wuhrer too much (though I thought it was amusing that she played a college student several years after appearing on "Remote Control"), but I'm not sure most of the folks who've followed in her footsteps have been talented in the slightest. Then again, I suppose their pulchritude is talent of a different sort. >Wanna stump people who claim to be "open to all forms of music" ? People >who say "I don't have a favorite, my cd collection has music from all >styles" ? People who say, "I'm completely open-minded when it comes to >music" ? People who say "There's not really a type of music I can't listen >to" ? One word: Slaughter. The Band. Whip it out. Sure, Mr. World Music >likes Wu-Tang AND Harry Connick Jr. ALL AT THE SAME TIME. But can he >stomach a little "Up All Night?" Can YOU? I'm not sure Slaughter's a TYPE of music, but I agree with your point. I can't stand the band. I think "having an open mind" is something along the lines of being willing to fairly evaluate the music -- if Slaughter released a new album and it was better than "Awake," for example, being able to recognize it as such, rather than dismissing it out of hand. There isn't a lot of music out there that I dislike, but Slaughter's in that category. And I know there was some positivity being expressed about the band earlier, but I don't care for Depeche Mode, either. I don't much care for the Wu-Tang Clan, either...I'd opt for Public Enemy or Urban Dance Squad. So there's that. And, making up for the mainstream-ity of the last set of CD's... Five Gratutitous CD's: ====================== 1. Rush: Rush 2. The Reign: Back From Euphoria 3. Go Pound Salt: Go Pound Salt 4. Dar Williams: The Honesty Room 5. Fates Warning: Night on Brocken Adam D. Barnhart email_address_removed email_address_removed http://www.cfmc.com/adamb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:18:46 -0400 From: Buck Stodgers To: email_address_removed Subject: Vai, Face/Off and other stuff... Message-ID: Hello there... First off: >if your at a Steve Vai concert do you cheer louder when he plays a slow >melodious riff or a furious octuplet tapping frenzy? Actually, I wait until the end of the song so I can be sure to hear everything. :) At G3 shows, I save frantic screaming for Stu Hamm's bass solo. >there must have been people posting to this list expressing their >dislike of technical guitarwork. This may have been me. I expressed a dislike for guitarists that perfect the technical only to sacrifice feel. I feel that Malmsteen is this type of guitarist. Vai is IN NO WAY this type of guitarist. If I implied that, it was a mistake on my part. But so you know, my favorite section of a Vai song (though not my favorite song entirely) is in For The Love Of God. It is a hammer-on, slide combination. I don't have the disc handy, or I'd give you a time index, but this section is the best in Vai's repetoire, IMHO. There is the perfect balance of technique and feel in that song, IMHO. For a similar comparison, see also Joe Satriani's Baroque: the single greatest song ever recorded. Chris Bellardine: >I read some posts about Satriani and Vai being to best, but these guys >don't play with the caliber musicians that Petrucci plays with. Ummm.... WHAT!? Stu Hamm (Joe's touring bassist) has won bassist polls up the wahzoo. And on top of that has played with Eric Johnson, Steve Vai, and Joe Satriani. Satch has also played with Nathan East, Manu Katche, Gregg Bissonette, and Johnathan Mover. Each of those guys is among the best in their field. Vai has played with Billy Sheehan, Rudy Sarzo, Gregg Bissonette, Terry Bozzio, Frank Zappa, and Devin Townsend (kidding :) ). I think you should make better informed judgements before posting them to the Jam. This sounds like the opinion of someone who knows nothing about the artists he is arguing against. This is not to knock JP. He is phenomenal, and plays with some of the best musicians out there. But to say he is better than Satch or Vai would be starting that legends debate again. JP is amazing, 'nuff said. >If anyone here hasn't seen "Face Off" yet, for hell's sake, GO. Agreed! This bumps Grosse Pointe Blank into the #3 spot for the year. #1 still being Chasing Amy. It'll be tough to dethrone that one. This is, of course, excepting the SE Star Wars Trilogy. Empire is the greatest movie ever made and what is understood need not be discussed (it's anonymous, so it ain't plagiarism...). -- ______________________________________________________________ "Luminous beings are we, not this crude flesh..." -Yoda, the Jedi Master ______________________________________________________________ Andrew Forcier a.k.a. Buck Stodgers Maintainer of the List of Ytse-Traders of Repute; To submit names or request a copy, mailto:email_address_removed To view the list: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ytselist.txt -------------------------------------------------------------- --List Manager-- The Peppermint Tribe, the Saigon Kick Mailing List For info, check out: http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~rfm5570/ for e-mail inquiries, mailto:email_address_removed ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:58:16 -0500 From: Beth Elzinga To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Hi and defense of metal Message-ID: ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC855D.A93E0CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, all!! I'm fairly new here, so just wanted to sorta say hi to = everyone on the jam. I'm an 18 year old DT freak, and it's great to = find people who actually know what prog is. I thought I was the only = one around who listened to both Genesis and Metallica. :) I know, I'm a newbie, and really haven't been on the jam long enough to = be posting this after just lurking around for a few weeks, but this was = just something I had to respond to. : BTW, Motley Crue??? What the hell? I thought things were pretty bad = with : all the Megadeth talk, but Motley Crue? We don't care people! This = is a : Dream Theater list! That means we prefer hearing about Dream Theater = or : other PROG music! You know, like Rush, Fates Warning, etc.? That's = PROG! : Not cock-rock, not Motley Crue, not even metal, but P-R-O-G (not = Prague)! Maybe you've forgotten the other half of what DT is labeled. Usually = its called Progressive METAL. I may be a prog freak, but I'm also a = 100% down to the core metal freak. Being a metal freak does not mean = you worship Satan or wear all black. I don't do either. This jam is = for DT, but there are people on this mailing list who like metal too. = So, unless most of the list protests, we're free to discuss whatever = kind of metal we want.=20 Just a little worthless rant I had to get out of my system. 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Um to quote Motley Crue in "10 Seconds to Love" from the Shout at the Devil cd (which is a darn fine cd!): "Touch my gun but don't pull my trigger. Let's make history in the elevator." Sounds like elevator sex to me, but what do I know. :) David (V_Clortho on irc) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:14:35 -0700 (MST) From: durnik To: email_address_removed Subject: Chris Merlo... Message-ID: Well, you've all read Chris's post by now. I think for the first time in a while, I can honestly say I didn't see _that_ coming. :) But hey, ya learn something new every day. - Mike Bahr - email_address_removed - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 14:36:18 -0500 (CDT) From: email_address_removed To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-ID: No no, I recant. I -am- gay. It was childish of me to take back something which obviously took a lot of courage. So, in short, I am gay. Gayer than a hootananny. -d ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a woman http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a homo man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 14:41:23 -0500 (CDT) From: email_address_removed To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-ID: I can't wait to meet some of you guys for this show. -d ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a woman http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a homo man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:14:01 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: Where the hell is Skadz when ya need him? We need this ass wipe removed from the list, like NOW. This is like the most childish thing I've ever seen on a mailing list...well, second to Vince and the Megadeth mailing list >;) Sept. 23rd, eh? ~Eckie marks his calendar On Mon, 30 Jun 1997 email_address_removed wrote: > No no, I recant. I -am- gay. It was childish of me to take back something > which obviously took a lot of courage. So, in short, I am gay. > > Gayer than a hootananny. > > -d > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster > email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn > email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a woman > http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a homo man" - Peart > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List > http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 06:42:48 +1000 (EST) From: BrentReurich To: email_address_removed Subject: Paramaecium - a novel idea Message-ID: OK.... heres the run down on Paramaecium (the band) and Within the Ancient Forest (the album) - (BTW an australian band.) >> 5. Within the Ancient Forest - Paramaecium =20 >How does this one compare to the first album? I kinda >dig the slow=20 >heaviness with the occasional orchestral feel of the first >one, but I=20 >haven't heard aquat form this. >Their first one was entitled Exhumed of the=20 >Earth, I believe. Some good stuff if you dig that heavy >rock and=20 >roll, and can stomach those cookie monster vocals :). OK - the orchestral feel is way more than occasional here- this one is *MUCH* more varied and musically interesting... much use is made of piano/keys, also sprinkled throughout are flute, harpsichord and cello giving the whole thing a gothicy / medieval feel.... the vocals also are somewhat surprising ... along with the "cookie monsters" the singer also uses a 'normal' singing voice, as well as (3) different female vocalists, including one soprano. As well as! both male and female 'spoken word' parts....=20 Overall this is still a 'heavy' disc - Paramaecium have suceeded in a very heavy ,slow, dark, moody feel ... but if thats how you like it - its brilliant! and the variety and texture of the various vocal and musical components make it a very listenable disc... dare I say very progressive . = =20 (Basically - I am not a big fan of death/doom and although this album is based in those genres I am growing extremely fond of this one - a definite 'grower'...) > I know there's a book that goes along=20 >with WtAF, too.=20 The book with this album comes a short novel - although you have to buy it= seperately. and though I have it I'm yet to read it (its been here on my bookshelf probably over 9months - so basically i'm just a slacker) but my brother in law read it said it was a really good book - but then again he is a big fantasy fan.....=20 so ... I'm yet to pass judgement on it. this is from the liner notes -> 'the storyline of this album is entirely based on the novel "Within the Ancient Forest" by (vocalist) Andrew Tompkins. The novel is written in the fantasy genre and it tells the story of De-nyl , a young man searching for ultimate truth and meaning for life in a land where Immortals, dragons, magic, and the powers of darkness are very real; a search which eventually leads him to the legendery Firetree and immortality. The story is an allegorical account of Andrew's own search for and discovery of absolute truth and meaning of life. If you read the lyrics you'll realise that this album provides only a glimpse of this incredible story. In short , the album is imcomplete without the novel.' <- guess i'v got some reading to do then. :) =20 as an aside Jayson Sherlock (the drummer - and quite good at it too) thanks some band called Dream Theatre?=BF in the thank-yous.=20 =20 ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2679 **************************