YTSEJAM Digest 2648 Today's Topics: 1) Forgot something by "KorgX3" 2) by 3) RUSH ---- June 17th show ---- Review/SETLIST by email_address_removed 4) Davide by "Ollila Marko" 5) Re: Rhoads, etc. by email_address_removed (Scott Cook) 6) Re: Little girls and other stuff... (Actual DTC!) by email_address_removed (Scott Cook) 7) RE: Opinions by gra@provida.no 8) The Wizard of Oz by gra@provida.no 9) Dazed and confussed by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) 10) Satchmo by email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) 11) DTC? NOne? Absolutely none? by email_address_removed 12) Fates Warning in Milan ... yesterday! by Kappa 13) NEW DT!! sooner than we may think! by email_address_removed 14) Matos and Kiske by Denis Lanzi 15) A breather from this phuking RR/JS thread... by Tim Adams 16) I love Mike Bahr... Oh, and some stuff about Megadeth, too by Buck Stodgers 17) VAI - Satch by imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 00:08:52 +0000 From: "KorgX3" To: email_address_removed Subject: Forgot something Message-ID: Anyone notice that Dann Huff produced the new Megadeth? Funny, eh? ------------------------------ Talk about Flex-Able! KorgX3 a.k.a. Pastor of Muppets email_address_removed "Yay, yay, ormschperdinki du! Yay bork schperduggin dieder, Bork, Bork Bork!" ---Some Swede Muppet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 02:36:49 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: RUSH ---- June 17th show ---- Review/SETLIST Message-ID: Hey Jammers, just wanted to let you all in on my journey to RUSH today. What can I say, this show was better than the one back in October. Except for the fact that they dropped my ALL TIME favorite RUSH song (SUBDIVISIONS) from their setlist! Damn was I pissed. Aside from that, DAMN GOOD SHOW. And, the boys looked a little tired, but sounded great nonetheless. The following is the entire setlist from the show, I am posting it in the hope that people who still yet have to attend a RUSH show during this second leg will benefit from it. Here it goes: RUSH -- Test For Echo Tour -- 1997/Second Leg Tour June 17, 1997 Pine Knob Music Theater Clarkston, Michigan 1) Dreamline 2) Limelight 3) Stick It Out 4) Driven 5) Half The World 6) Red Barchetta 7) Animate 8) Limbo ------ "Mosh Good" was not heard, possibly ommitted 9) The Trees 10) Virtuality 11) Nobody's Hero 12) Closer To The Heart ---- Featuring ending jam IDENTICAL to the ending on A Show Of Hands 13) 2112 ---- Part III (Discovery) lengthened in beginning; The song overall was played at a slower tempo, thus making it hit the 21:12 mark. Also, my musician friend told me they were playing at a louder sound (or something, I forget) probably to compensate for the high singing Geddy can't hit any longer. --BREAK-- (Geddy states that they will return after receiving some psychiatric help/attention; Never the same message at any show. At the October 25, 1996 show, Geddy states that they will be back after taking some Geritol.) 14) Test For Echo 15) Freewill 16) Red Sector A 17) Roll The Bones 18) Resist 19) Leave That Thing Alone! 20) Drum Solo --- GOD LIKE......lasting for a little over 8 minutes 21) Natural Science --- After suspecting that some lyrics were missing while attending the October 25, 1996 show, my hunch was justified. After paying closer attention while singing along, I noticed that the part "Art as expression, not as market campaigns, will still capture our imaginations; Given the same state of integrity, it will surely help us along." was indeed ommitted from the performance. Kind of makes me wonder why this happened twice and probably throughout the entire tour. Moral of the story, it really is cool to have ALL the songs being played memorized to a TEE. =) 22) Force 10 23) The Spirit of the Radio --- Neil Peart SMILED! Whoa! And even made kissey faces into the camera.......... whoa, Mr. Intensity displayed emotion... 24) Tom Sawyer -END- 25 - Encore) YYZ --> Cygnus X-1 Teaser Something cool happened here....Neil Peart showed more cool stuff......he smiled A LOT...especially when Alex and Geddy stood in front of him jamming away! And, ready for this.........not only did he smile at them, but he started whipping out his tongue in a very, well, provocative way....you know, that man really amazes me. So damn serious through the ENTIRE set, but he played around near the end. Wow, Neil could quite possibly be a fun guy! Wonders never cease........... *Note* During the encore, someone, perhaps a stage hand, was playing with a couple of dinosaurs behind some speakers. Then, the camera zoomed onto them showing them fighting =] Then, there were 3 little plastic dinosaurs on the stage and upon zooming onto them, there was a tiny sign in the T-Rex's hand saying, "See, we aren't the only three dinosaurs on the stage." Awesome humor I tell you! =] Well, there you have it. My take on the show. I hope someone gets a use out of this. If you have any similar takes on the show like those I have posted here, feel free to let me know how similar my experience was to yours. Take care Jammers, Jeff E. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jun 97 10:16:08 +0200 From: "Ollila Marko" To: Ytse Jam (Dream Theater Mailing List) Subject: Davide Message-ID: Greetings ye 'ytsejammers.... (stop it Phil or I will have to sue you... :P) First I said: > Vocalist Andre Matos' voice may require some > getting used to, but technically he must be at least as good as Michael > Kiske's ever been. Then... >From: "Davide" >Subject: Angra >I realy don't think so........basically becouse of two main things >1) Kiske never uses falsetto and Matos uses it a lot or better too often >(he cannot even reach an high C and so e sings like a castrato) >2) Kiske shows one of the greatest modulation ever while Matos' voice is >flat as a surf table Now this much I can appreciate. Some minor snippets of it can be even labeled as intelligent discussion. Yet something in this post gives me the impression that I have possibly seen Helloween on stage when Davide's primary source of nutrition was baby's milk mixture. And yes, I know Helloween's not that old a band. >Try to sing the keeper of the seven keys and carry on and you'll see the >difference between one of the greatest singer ever and a normal voice with >a good use of falsetto........ if you prefer the second you shoul listen to >AH-A (is it written like this??) Now did you have to do this? Exactly what was it in my voiced opinion that made you want to jump on my case? Would you explain to me what justifies your hostility towards me? And no, it's written A-HA. Thank you, I'm off to listen to some more A-HA while I'll unsubscribe. Davide, for all I care you can go and have a pleasant coitus with yourself. _Mape_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 00:22:19 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Scott Cook) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Rhoads, etc. Message-ID: >>Oh yeah, WW asked who Stuart is: He's the fat kid on the Beavis & >>Butthead cartoon that always wears the Winger T-Shirt. > I wouldn't know...I never watch it. Much used to show Beavis & Butthead, Don't know if they do anymore. I hardly watch Much anymore since they went to what seems like a Alternacrap/rap format. Power 30 is gone and Loud is hardly ever on anymore. But Rap City, Da Mix, and the Electric Circus seem to play non stop on that fucking channel. >>Does a guitarist have to be dead to be considered a great? I agree >with. >>Randy being one of the all-timers, but Criss Oliva? There's sooooo >> >Only my opinion...don't crucify me for it, like Pat seems to >love to do. I'm not crucifying you, just disagreeing. Pat wasn't nailing you to any crosses either. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 00:13:52 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Scott Cook) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Little girls and other stuff... (Actual DTC!) Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:45:01 -0700 (PDT) "Nicole R. Stachowicz Wrote: >Skadz - I was crying after I read your post. I bow to your greatness! > ;) Suck up! ;-) > but no one has mentioned Eternity-X & all the controversy that was on >the jam last week. Any thoughts? (DO NOT start a huge flame >war over this, pls. :) I don't know, how about this: Which religion is better, Catholic or Mormon? (Please, no flame wars) >One final thing, my fiance (husband Saturday... oooohhh!! ;) was >digging thru the cd's at Half Price Books, and he came across > "Hands of Time" by Kingdom Come. Ahhhhhh! Kingdom Clone. ;-) I saw these guys during VH's Hamsters of Rock tour in 88. They actually invited themselves on the tour! Actually, I liked them much better when they were called Led Zeppelin. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:19:12 +0100 From: gra@provida.no To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: Opinions Message-ID: I totaly agree with Pat Griffin. -.profile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:20:53 +0100 From: gra@provida.no To: email_address_removed Subject: The Wizard of Oz Message-ID: >Go into the room with three different color bulbs, put one in each lamp, >exit the room, and hit each switch. BTW Scott have been watching TWoO with music from PF! Did you like it ?? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 10:08:58 +0200 From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed.de Subject: Dazed and confussed Message-ID: Hi all the last jams have taken their toll on my befuddled mind and given rise to some questions. 1. What is all this talk about randy snatches? Is this a sex list, or what? 2. What the fuck are Alanis fans doing listening to Dream Theater anyway? 3. Does anybody have a recipe for spiced girls? Anything that involves covering erogenous zones with pepper and then sneezing it off will be tried. 4. Anybody see that film "The Dead Guitarists' Society"? I believe Dream Theater sampled it on their last album (gather ye plectrums while ye may). Returning to reality, has anybody else out there noticed that their musical requirements can vary greatly from day to day? A few days ago I brought only 'prog' CDs to work (Dream Theater, Lemur Voice, Angra, Vauxdvihl etc.), and yesterday my choice fell on groups like Helmet, Nirvana, Silverchair, Kyuss, Handsome, Kerbdog etc. It was like I'd been eating too much rich, sticky, fancy food, and needed something straight and simple to clear my palate before moving on to the next course. Anybody else feel like this? stay safe and happy listening Pat Manads (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: Biohazard - State Of The World Address ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 03:56:09 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) To: Subject: Satchmo Message-ID: <19970618075851.AAA21234@ernst-d> > By the way, if anyone paved the way for all of the instrumental guitar > albums that all started coming out in the mid 80's, it's Yngwie. His > Rising Force album pre-dated all of the other guitarists' albums (even > though it featured vocals on 2 tracks). True, but 'Surfing with the Alien' brought rock guitar instrumental music back the top 40. A lot of ppl got into Satch who weren't guitarists. And im not gonna start analyzing Satch's style, but his first EP was entirely done w/ guitar (ie hitting the pickups w/ an allen wrench for drums, etc.. ) and his style is quite unique... it definitely got me off my guitar-playing ass. A comment... for some reason, Satch's playing on his most recent CD reminds me of Miles Davis... not the notes, but the emotion behind it, and the way it sounds so 'alive' and human... And the quote of the day goes to: "it's ok, but it doesn't rock my nonexistant nads" by Nicole BTW, slightly advanced congrats to Nicole... hey, you guys should wait and get married at the next Ytsecon! ;) flying in a blue, yet brownish dream, Ernie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 02:03:06 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: Ytsejam Mailing List Subject: DTC? NOne? Absolutely none? Message-ID: I'm beginning to forget what DTC means... Do The Cherries? Drive The Chevy? Please, discontinue the big ass arguments about who's the legendary guitar player. If Satriani wasn't deserving of legendary status, then WHY THE FUCK IS HE COMING UP IN EVERY POST AS A GROUND-BREAKING GUITARIST comparible to so and so.... take it to private email, 'cuz I'm reelin' from the stupidity of it all. It's all relative in this matter...I listen to Satch more than Vai 'cuz his songs are more understandible, more powerful. I listen to Vai 'cuz I'm amazed that a guitar could do that, and I listen to Rhoads 'cuz I'm into that style of music, and he just happens to kick ass playin' it. I'm not even gonna attempt to rate these guys, it's ludicrous. And why hasn't Petrucci's name even popped up in this conversation, ESPECIALLY on the Dream Theater mailing list, REALLY confuses me! Are we suggesting we kill all the guitarists that are creative and talented? They'll all be legends then! Won't they? But then we'd be stuck with the likes of Bush and Smashing Pumpkins... ..but I could live with the Spice Girls... >;) ~Eckie needs to get out more ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 12:09:11 +0000 From: Kappa To: email_address_removed Subject: Fates Warning in Milan ... yesterday! Message-ID: I just saw Fates Warning show there in Milan (ITALY)... they played completely the last album! A great show... one hour and half of great music. If you have the chance go to see them... they are great! Bye Alf ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Check the best italian videobootlegs on my homepage: www.geocities.com/Eureka/6506/bootleg.htm email to:email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:06:06 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: NEW DT!! sooner than we may think! Message-ID: Hello all. Its been awhile since i last posted but I thought I'd come back with a bang! GET THIS! I went to strawberries to look around for some cool cd's and I was talking with the guy behind the counter. He was writing up the upcoming release board. I asked him if he had run across any Dream Theater release. He said he had. He had this paper which gave the release dates of a ton of bands up until November. Well I'm very pleased to say that Dream Theater's new album said july next to it. There wasn't a name of the album. The guy told me and my friend to expect the album early august! THis RULES!!! Just thought I'd share that with you all! ROck on! PS. New Megadeth kicks so much shit out of Metallica. I don't care what you think, when you hear this new deth as most of you have, you must agree that "Alternica" sold out. Dave Mustaine has taken a little bit of everything from megadeth's past and put it on the album. SOme thrash, some dark groove, some stuff in a new direction. MEGADETH is where its at! Tony ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:58:57 -0400 From: Denis Lanzi To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Matos and Kiske Message-ID: I apologize if I am a bit late with this reply. I didn't read that particular post till this morning. This post was regarding the vocal artistry of Michael Kiske and Andre Matos. The gentleman who replied is obviously not a vocalist OR not one in "the know" concerning vocals. This is certainly not a put down. I wouldn't know the various nuances of composing a bossa nova percussion piece. I am not a trained percussionist. I do know singing though. What you said about the differens between Kiske and Matos, although bearing some semblances of truth, are simpy erroneous. You see, the male voice HAS TO have "falsetto", (if that is the term you are used to), in it at all times. Yes even on the lowest notes of the voice. It has to do with the vocal cords or,in reality, ligaments and the way they work. One can not drag the "chest voice" up and expect to achieve a brilliant, open tone. Although some may think that they are doing this, if they have any resonance taking place and the tone is free there IS falsetto blended into the tone. The GOD of blending registers has to be James LaBrie. He mixes vocal textures and registers like Betty Crocker mixes cake batter. The man is so well trained it's amazing! Back to Kiske. He is a dramatic tenor possessing a larger instrument than Matos who, himself is most liely a lyric tenor if not, a spinto. These instruments are lighter in tone quality. Kiske has a robust "manly" sound on the high notes which leads you to believe he is not utlizing head tones but, in reality, he is. He is opening the naso pharynx and allowing the high notes to resonate in that upper place. That is about as technical as I want to get here. Matos is also utilizing that place and he is blending the resonances of laryngo, oro and naso pharynx although he possesses a lighter instrument so you feel he is using unmixed falsetto. This is simply not the case. Fine examples of vocalists who have their registers and resonances perfectly balnced include James LaBrie, older Geoff Tate (or younger, dependng on how you look at it), Ray Alder (no matter how you feel about him, you never hear "the break" through the passagio on the way up the scale), Kiske, Andy Franck from Ivanhoe. Wow, there aren't a lot of singers around today who really have their technique down pat. It's a shame bcause I love great singing and strive for it in myself. If you would like to refute me and claim that so and so can pull up their chest voice effortlesly to a D above tenor C blah-blah-blah I will simply refer you to some literature and texts that further exemplifies what I have tried to summarize and simplify here. So, I hope I've enlightened some and angered none. Yours in music, Denis J. Lanza ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:00:37 -0400 From: Tim Adams To: email_address_removed Subject: A breather from this phuking RR/JS thread... Message-ID: First, last week we had some Triumph talk on the list, which I started....I haden't heard anything from them in a looonnnngggg time. So, to my surprise I was watching TV Friday night around midnight and starting flipping through RI's public access channels.....and low and behold, phukin MAGIC POWER LIVE!!!!!! It looked like it was a cheap professional recording because they must have had 6 or 8 cameras running but what a great phuking song man!!!! I miss this stuff........I guess they play lost videos every Friday night at midnight, I'll have to start taping it. 2 other vids they played were, DefLep Photograph Live with 1 arm man.....and Ozzy, I forget which one right now though. All seemed amateur/slightly professional but decent quality. Second, I picked up Rush's Retrospective II 1981-1987 this week and what a great album. Lots of faves on this one. Anyone else get this??? Any thoughts??? -Tim (needs a vacation BAD) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:34:55 -0400 From: Buck Stodgers To: email_address_removed Subject: I love Mike Bahr... Oh, and some stuff about Megadeth, too Message-ID: Hello, So I get home from work on Monday and decide to pick up the mail from my old apartment. In the mail was my last bank statement, so I checked to see if KTS charged me yet. They hadn't, but I saw that my check to Mike Bahr ahd, so a thought of "cool maybe my discs will be here next weeek" went through my head. So yesterday, I have a shitty day at work. I go to lunch and pick up the new Megadeth (I'm wavering on saying this is good yet), then am treated to an even worse afternoon at work (yeah, I know you don't care, but i'm getting to my point). So I drive home thinking "I can't wait for those Bahr discs to get here..." So I walk in the front door of my house and from ten feet away, see a package laying on the table in the foyer. I live with forty guys (fraternity house, not a male brothel) so it could have been for anyone. Nevertheless, my hopes are up. As I get closer, I see my name. I get right up over it, grab hold, and feel the CDs inside. I rip it open, barely noticing Mike and Melissa's return address and there are my WDATU and SFAM discs. REJOICE!!!! Anyone who says Mike Bahr isn't prompt knows not of what he speaks. My discs arrived five days after my check cleared. I call that pretty freakin' prompt. So what if it takes some time for him to make the discs. Anticipation is half the joy of receiving. And man was I feeling joy. Finally, To Live Forever on CD, where I can access it at will. An earlier version of ACOS so I can appreciate the current one even more. All right, you've heard enough out of me. Oh wait, I forgot something.... MIKE RULES! New Megadeth: okay, I heard all the rumors of Rust II and didn't believe. Thank God I didn't. This is no such thing. The entire album, with the exception of three songs, is Countdown II. That album is my least favorite of Deth's (including Killing...), but this one is better so far. Those three exceptions are all out thrash songs, unlike any Dave has written to date. IMHO, the work with MD.45 had a good effect. But some of the mid-tempo songs are too generic and weren't memorable at all after three listens. Another thing: why did they dump their producer? I thought Youthanasia was the best produced MD album ever; this is quite a step down. On my home stereo, I can barely hear the leads, and the layering of sounds and voices is muddy. And IMHO, this is not Marty's best soloing... Un the upside: the lyrics are great. Many songs seem a lot more personal than past albums. Trust has a great compositional structure to it, as does Use the Man. The tempo and time changes are cool as hell. I thought UtM was just going to be a slow, plodding song, then BAM! I got a kick out of that. I don't know what else to say. Megadeth fans will all buy it no matter what, but I think others should get a listen before they buy. Sorry if I seem to be knocking the guys, but the album doesn't do much for me... at least not yet. -- _____________________________________________________________ Andrew Forcier a.k.a. Buck Stodgers --List Manager-- The Peppermint Tribe, the Saigon Kick Mailing List For info, check out: http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~rfm5570/ for e-mail inquiries, mailto:email_address_removed ************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 06:35:21 -0700 (PDT) From: imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg) To: email_address_removed Subject: VAI - Satch Message-ID: So maybe Satriani is more popular than Stevie, but since when does popularity have anything to do with talent or skill? oOo If a man could pass through Paradise in a dream, and have a flower presented to him as a pledge that his soul had really been there, and if he found that flower in his hand when he awoke - Aye, and what then? oOo Niklas ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2648 **************************