YTSEJAM Digest 2601 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Alanis/ James' b-day by WhiteWolf 2) A new question by email_address_removed 3) Ytsejam 2599,Mariah Carey comments by email_address_removed 4) Neu CD's (NDTC) by Marcelo Vanzin 5) Re: mimes by "The Evil Midnight Bomber" 6) Re: mimes by "Lauren Glenn" 7) More Pearls of wisdom from James LaBrie by Davidjon Sabetai 8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2600 by email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) 9) Conception the new Queensryche ? by "Graham Boyle" 10) Richie Black Moore by email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2597 by email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2600 by email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) 13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2600 by email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) 14) In Defense of Mr. Bahr. by Pat Griffin 15) Re: (nationality) (was: YTSEJAM digest 2600) by "Lauren Glenn" 16) Re: America (booooo) by Lars Hellsten 17) Re: Alanis/ James' b-day by "KorgX3" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 21:05:42 -0600 From: WhiteWolf To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Alanis/ James' b-day Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970531210542.0068a4a4@autobahn.mb.ca> No flames...just points of view. Like so: I hate Alanis with a passion. >WhiteWolf wrote: >>Nitro wrote & played all their own songs, all Mariah does is sing someone else's >>songs written for her...as do most female artists. (Madonna, Alanis, Shania) > >I hate to pick on just one thread (as usual) but no, no, no! ;) On the inside cover >of Alanis Morissette's liner notes, it reads, and I quote, "All music composed by >Alanis Morissette and Glen Ballard. All lyrics by Alanis Morissette." Ok...she had a melody and Ballard shaped it for her. You call those lyrics? I remember when the shit hit the fan over the word fu*k in the original version of ACOS here. Otay...now my point...she needed help to write it. She had released 2 or 3 albums previous to this one , which were nowhere. Suddenly, she hooks up with Glen Ballard, and she's got a #1 album. Coincidence? Why? Well, how many people knew who Paula Abdul was before she became famous? Not too many. Now, who wrote her music? Ballard did. Point being: she needed the help of a more experienced songwriter to make this album...in both cases. I'm not taking anything away from Ballard, mind you. He seems to be a multi-talented guy. But who gets the glory in the end? The artist perfoming those songs. And what's a Ytsejammer doing listening to Alanis anyway?? She can't sing, has no stage presence & no real talent. For me, death is preferable to her music. >Also, in the thank you's, she describes Ballard as her "spiritual brother," > Pretty magnanimous statement, if ya ask me. > so I don't suppose he's just some guy churning out music for a lot of female artists. Also, >he's not _just_ a songwriter -- he produced the album. > I addressed this point earlier. DTC... Happy belated B-day to James LaBrie =========================================================== Madness reigns in the Hall of the Mountain King =========================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 19:08:37 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: Ytsejam Mailing List Subject: A new question Message-ID: If a tree fell down in the woods, and nobody was around to hear it, how many emails would be written about it? :) ~Eckie Again ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 23:14:54 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed, prelude@autobahn.mb.ca Subject: Ytsejam 2599,Mariah Carey comments Message-ID: someone wrote > Mariah's songwriters exploit her falsettos abilities to sell records.....Its a gimmick... White Wolf responded >> True...very true. GnRBrks responds First of all lets get something straight about Mariah Carey. 1) For example Mariah Carey wrote ALL yes ALL but one song from the Dreamlover CD. Well I should say that she wrote all the lyrics on 9 out of 10 tracks and co-wrote the music on those same tracks.The one song she didn't write was a COVER tune,Without You.She also co-wrote all 11 track on her debut CD,Mariah Carey. So the next time you want to slam a Big Star like Mariah Carey get your FACTS straight.2) You say that the "Songwriters exploit her falsetto abilities to sell records," Hell yes SHE is going to use and exploit her own talents to sell records. She would be a fool not to as you obviously are to say something like this without knowing the FACTS!!!!!!!!!! email_address_removed P.S. HOw do I get in touch with Mike Bahr? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:44:09 -0300 From: Marcelo Vanzin To: Freaks R Us Subject: Neu CD's (NDTC) Message-ID: Hi there, Just bought some CD's, here's what I think: Fates Warning: A Pleasant Shade of Gray Cool. Just cool. :) Not the best Fates CD, but a very good one indeed. Savatage: Edge of Thorns This one rocks! Very very cool. :) Running Wild: Masquerade I haven't quite heard this CD yet, but it's the usual RW: heavy guitars, cool songs. Not as good as "Pile of Skulls", but a nice album. Steve Vai: Fire Garden Another one I haven't quite heard (Savatage's been running for some time in the stereo :) ). But sounded very cool when I gave that "first run". :) Sorry for this waste of bandwidth, but I had to post something. :) []'s Marcelo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 23:52:36 +0000 From: "The Evil Midnight Bomber" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: mimes Message-ID: > >If a tree falls in the forest, and it kills a mime, does anyone care? If an 18-wheeler runs down a mime int he middle of a crowded highway with thousands of onlookers watching the carnage, does anybody care? Dale R. Newberry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 00:54:59 -0400 From: "Lauren Glenn" To: Subject: Re: mimes Message-ID: ---- From: The Evil Midnight Bomber To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, June 01, 1997 00:52 Subject: Re: mimes >> >If a tree falls in the forest, and it kills a mime, does anyone care? >If an 18-wheeler runs down a mime int he middle of a crowded highway >with thousands of onlookers watching the carnage, does anybody care? > The mime does. If a ytsejam is sent and there's no DTC, does anybody care? But seriously, what's the point of this thread? Lauren ==================================== Lauren Glenn's home page http://www.quadnet.net/l-glenn ------------------------------- Featuring the newest version of Lauren's CD Player (formerly known as RQ's CD Player) version 0.945 which can show lyrics as the CD is being played. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 05:09:14 +0000 From: Davidjon Sabetai To: email_address_removed Subject: More Pearls of wisdom from James LaBrie Message-ID: <19970601050909.AAA27467@LOCALNAME> You forgot this one from Lost in the Sky, "(audience yelling something in Italian) You don't expect me to understand what you're saying." Some of you guys are too critical of JL. Not only does he have to hit every note every night, he also has to say all the right things between the songs. I don't think JL is a weak frontman. I think he has lots of energy. I personally like not knowing what to expect from him, it's like an adventure. Would you rather him say, "All right guys this is Lie off Awake." You have to like it when he's introducing a song and his voice goes from a faint whisper to a loud yell. My favorite intro is on The Dance of Eternity when he's introducing Ytsejam he says something like, "This is my favorite part of the night because I get to take a break. The rest of the guys are going to go back to the first album and do some intrumental crazy stuff. ARE YOU READY??!! This is the YTSEJAM!!!! Any Miami jammers going to the Rudess and Morgenstein show at Sam Ash on Monday? I'm pretty sure I'll be there. Isaac ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 01:24:54 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2600 Message-ID: <19970601053448.AAA18999@ernst-d> > One of my favorite albums is Satriani's self-titled album, but not because > of the guitars but because of Manu Katche's unbelievable drumming (Of > course Joe's great too). He is now one of my absolute fav drummers and I > wonder if there is more recorded material with him (there has to be). > He made a solo album, but I don't remember what it's called. I saw it only once in used cd-store called H2O in Wuerzburg, Germany. Since it was a used-cd store there is s possibility that it could be out of print, but I really don't know. > Simon Mitternacht Cool! You're last name is Midnight :) > From: "Nicole R. Stachowicz aka Kirby 8>" > Subject: Alanis the Lyricist :) (NDTC) > We interrupt your regularly scheduled Ytsejam for a bit of NDTC! ;) > I hate to pick on just one thread (as usual) but no, no, no! ;) > Just thought I'd add my $0.02. :) > If I'm incorrect about any of this, though, please don't flame me too hard. :) > No. :) You gotta cut back on your smileys thar, kid ;) But seriously, as far as I know you're right about Alanis. Glenn actually produced and co-wrote the new VH songs on 'Greatest Hits' as well, and i believe the upcoming cd,too. And in any case, what's wrong about singing or performing music you didn't write? There are many ppl out there who devote themselves to composition and need musicians to play it for them. Some were made to make music, some perform, some for both, and there's nothing wrong about that. Yes, of course, Mariah gets all the attention, but the guy who wrote the song gets his dough. later Ernie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 15:44:04 +1000 From: "Graham Boyle" To: Subject: Conception the new Queensryche ? Message-ID: I was only saying the other day to a fellow QR fan, how much the new Conception album 'Flow' reminds me of QR 'Rage For Order' era. Style wise yes, but that's it, I don't see anything else the two bands have in common. It is a great album, a definite early contender for album of the year, I think it has a US release, so check it out, btw, my fave track is the Jap only bonus 'Hand On Heart' (Nothing to do with the QR song of the same name). Another band worth checking out are Labyrinth from Italy, their debut album 'No Limits' is a great slice of Euro prog. Graham Graham Boyle Sydney, Australia email_address_removed.au 'The world is full of Kings & Queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams' 'Heaven & Hell' BLACK SABBATH 1980 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 04:36:11 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) To: email_address_removed Subject: Richie Black Moore Message-ID: >>Check out the new project from Richie Blackmore, 'Blackmore's Night', >>it's awesome. Who's he got singing for him? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 04:49:01 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2597 Message-ID: >> I think that it is on the "Lie" single, but where can I find it? I >>live in Brazil and so, my only chance to get it would be via an on-line >>mailorder company. Do you know any (I have searched "CD Now" and "CD >>Universe" with no success). I saw "The Silent Man" single at Best Buy (when I bought APSOG) that had To Live Forever and one other that's on Awake... for $9.99. I didn't get it cuz I wouldn't pay 10 bucks for one song. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 05:34:00 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2600 Message-ID: >>Yeah, the all rights get kinda annoying, but I'm sure that's the way >>he talks in rl. People do that kind of stuff when they have to speak >>in front of large crowds. It's a natural nervous disorder. When >>ever I talk in front of large groups I use "you know?" at the end of >>all my comments, you know? I try to keep it under control. It's >>just tough. Check out your local Toastmasters organization to get rid of this habit. It works great. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 05:57:27 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2600 Message-ID: >>The post was a joke and not to accepted in literal context, but >>obviously some people don't know shit from fecies. >>KorgX3 a.k.a. Pastor of Muppets Yes I did enjoy the joke, however I've never been able to figure out why people tend to take what really means "The 50 states united to form one country located somewhere in America" as being America itself. I just thought somebody might want to clear this up for me after all these years. You wouldn't hear French people referring to Italians as Europeons, would you? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 05:10:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin To: ThE NuGgeTjAm Subject: In Defense of Mr. Bahr. Message-ID: All rise, Ytsejam Court number 2601 is in session, the dishonorable Judge Ito presiding. I'm just warning you all, I'm writing this message on the fly with no quotes (correct ones, anyway) or facts in front of me to back me up. I'm going by what I know about handling mail orders, and what I know of Mike Bahr's business in particular. If there is anything that I get wrong in here, someone please correct it, but I'm fairly certain that this is accurate. Mike Bahr's CD business is essentially a two person operation. He has a computer with a CD-R (writer) which he uses to reproduce the CDs from distribution. A CD-R can reliably make one CD in about 45 minutes with a write check after the write (to verify). Mike has print runs of about 250 CDs each, and runs several CDs at once. In fact, some of his later CDs are 2 or 3 CD sets. Mike and his wife also have day jobs, and lives. I would imagine he is only able to produce a handful of CDs daily. The way things work, is you reserve a CD, and then send in your payment for it. Mike sends the CDs in the order he gets payment in (which is perfectly fair). If you reserve a CD right off the bat, but don't send your payment in until months later, then you are going to get your Precious Things #4 after someone else gets their Precious Things #220. Once Mike and his wife put the CDs in the mail, it is out of their hands and in the hands of the US Postal Service. The USPS has screwed Mike over on shipping before (holding the packaged instead of shipping them because of a parcel limit), and on recent orders he has gone out of his way to take packaged to multiple post offices to make sure they get out. When you're talking about the volume of orders that Mike handles, lost packages are not uncommon. There seem to be a half dozen or so on every CD, which isn't too bad, but still sucks. Mike is always good about resending or tracing an order. If you order a CD, you will get it, or my name isn't Chris Ptacek. The thing about doing business that sucks is that you never get calls when things go fine. Well, seldom anyway. You will see posts on here about how cool Mike's CDs are, but the ones that seem to cause the biggest stir are the ones complaining about a CD running late. It's like working in a repair center, no one calls when the product works. I have been trying to sell off the remaining Ytsejam tshirts for some time now, but orders are practically non-existent because all you ever hear on the jam is how so and so doesn't fill orders for 6 months or this company screwed me over. It makes it tough for people like myself and Mike and Tim Lodge and Jim Colberg to sell stuff, because it makes people distrust each other. I can personally speak for each one of those people. I have ordered 7 CDs from Mike, 3 from Tim, and 2 from Jim, and I have been very satisfied with both the quality and the turnaround. I had a tshirt order delayed for almost a month and a half a while back, and I hated it. When I started selling them, I was determined to keep the turn around time under a week. I get your check, your shirt goes out. And that is the way it has worked out 99% of the time. But that 1% when things are out of your control and someone who put their trust in you is waiting for the product your promised, is the worst because all that person has to do is post a complaint and a notch gets knocked right out of your credibility. Every one of them is doing a service to the jam, and every one of them runs their business a little bit differently than the others, so there's no set guideline, but if you can wait 2 years for the new DT CD, you can wait 2 months for Mike to put out custom handmade CDs and get them to you. We all run this businesses on the side as a labor of love. We (at least Mike and I) make little or no profit from selling this stuff. Hell, I still owe money for the shirts. But every time that someone posts a positive comment, or you see the shirt that you are responsible for on someone's back at a concert, you just smile and know that your effort paid off. I'm sorry for rambling this long, but I'm tired of seeing Mike getting ragged on the jam when he's doing the best he can with what he has available. Give him a break, and for his sake, talk to *him* about what's going on before you slam him in front of 1200 potential customers. h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality2 Design | | email_address_removed email_address_removed | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 08:50:57 -0400 From: "Lauren Glenn" To: Subject: Re: (nationality) (was: YTSEJAM digest 2600) Message-ID: ---- From: Jeff Keifling To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, June 01, 1997 06:00 Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2600 >>>The post was a joke and not to accepted in literal context, but >>>obviously some people don't know shit from fecies. >>>KorgX3 a.k.a. Pastor of Muppets > >Yes I did enjoy the joke, however I've never been able to figure out why >people tend to take what really means "The 50 states united to form one >country located somewhere in America" as being America itself. I just >thought somebody might want to clear this up for me after all these years. > >You wouldn't hear French people referring to Italians as Europeons, would you? > Well, every other country has a name that you can just add an "ian" to the end and get a normal sounding name indicating nationality. For example, Canadian, Mexican, Cuban, Dominican (Republic), Columbian. But with the United States, you'd get United Statesian, United States of American... and personally if I go to another country, I don't want to introduce myself as a "United States of American" or a "United Statesian". :) Lauren ==================================== Lauren Glenn's home page http://www.quadnet.net/l-glenn ------------------------------- Featuring the newest version of Lauren's CD Player (formerly known as RQ's CD Player) version 0.945 which can show lyrics as the CD is being played. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 08:43:18 -0400 From: Lars Hellsten To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: America (booooo) Message-ID: >>>and James could beat the shit out of him cuz he's not >>>American, and things could be way cool. > >Is Canada not located in North America? Well, if you were referring to James as being from North America, you'd call him NORTH American for one thing. Secondly, while it's correct to refer to someone from Canada or any other country in America as "American", the term is seldom used in that context. I have never heard the term "American" used in a context other than referring to someone/something from the UNITED STATES of America. As a Canadian myself, I find it offensive to be called an American, and I'm sure James wouldn't be too happy about being called an American either. So say that to my face, and I'LL FLATTEN YOU LIKE A FUCKING PANCAKE, BOY! :) Speaking of the US/Canada, only 8 hours 'til Donovan Bailey whips their guy's ass. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 10:09:05 +0000 From: "KorgX3" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Alanis/ James' b-day Message-ID: > to this one , which were nowhere. Suddenly, she hooks up with Glen Ballard, > and she's got a #1 > album. Coincidence? As far as I know, this Ballard is quite notorious for hitting string of chart topping songs. The fact is, he knows what people want and he knows how to give it to them. I don't think Alanis would be anywhere without him today, but she is, so get over it. If you CAN change history, let me know, however. > And what's a Ytsejammer doing listening to Alanis anyway?? She can't sing, > has no stage presence & no real talent. For me, death is preferable to her > music. Actually, to me, death is preferable to going to a Reba concert, but that's my opinion. What's a ytsejammer doing listening to Alanis? Maybe it has something to do with being able to tolerate various forms of music, regardless of the popularity or stigma that lies behind it. "Alanis can't write her own music, so she's not worthy." Hey, the people who perform Les Miserables didn't write the show, but they happen to perform it rather fucking well. As for singing, there's one song (Hand in my pocket) where she deliberately cracks her voice alot that I don't like. I think she's a wonderful female rock singer. Passion often gives way to ability. As for stage presence, I'd probably never go to one of her concerts anyway. Nuff 'bout that. KorgX3 a.k.a. Pastor of Muppets email_address_removed "Yay, yay, ormschperdinki du! Yay bork schperduggin dieder, Bork, Bork Bork!" ---Some Swede Muppet ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2601 **************************