YTSEJAM Digest 2599 Today's Topics: 1) Mike Bahr's sending out methods -- revealed by "D. Ryan Whitaker" 2) Re: Carey & Gillette by WhiteWolf 3) Re: size of guitarists by Jon Byrne 4) Re: size of guitarists by "KorgX3" 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2598 by Steve Zebrowski 6) CD sending methods by durnik 7) if a tree... by email_address_removed (zack gemmill) 8) Re: if a tree... by The Digital Man 9) Oh the HORROR! by email_address_removed 10) Movies that are very funny (NDTC, YDMFs) by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." 11) YES! by King of The Internet 12) New Enchant CD!! by Alexander Honnef 13) FNM by email_address_removed (Bruce Forst) 14) Progmetal CDs? by "Vincent G. LuPone" 15) il castrato by "Raivo Hool" 16) Rush Restrospective by Carlos Alfaro 17) Nitro (the band) for sale by Joe Kruger ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 18:11:36 +0000 From: "D. Ryan Whitaker" To: email_address_removed Subject: Mike Bahr's sending out methods -- revealed Message-ID: > huh? I am 89 for PT and 72 for TDOW and I haven't gotten my cds. What > order does Mike send cds out in? Does he just go in random order? If this > is the case there is really no point to paying up early except to make > sure you get a copy. So Mike can you explain your sending out methods????? I can explain it. Wife: Mike, get off your butt and pack some of your dumb little CDs. Mike: I can't. The liners are still being printed.. Wife: Man, give it up, you've already used that one! Mike: The CDs aren't back from the plant yet? Wife: Then what the krunk are all these boxes doing in our bedroom?! Mike: Oh alright.. (packs one and drops it in the mailbox) There, ya happy, woman?! Ah well. I'm still waiting for my PT (#129) and TDoW (#104) as well. But look at it this way, you people who are drooling in anticipation. It will make the CDs that much better to finally get. Every day when I get home from my second job I creak open the mailbox, squinting my eyes in hope, then blam, failure. Oh well, I know they'll get here eventually. As far as Bahr's CDs go, for those of you who are relatively new to hearing about all his CDs, I'll rate his DT lineup. I have none of his other band CDs but all of his DT ones minus Subconscious, which I shelled out $25 to James Colberg for his dupe. 1. Acoustic Dreams - Sound quality rocks my billynads on this one. I still play this one a ton at home. That's why it ranks so high, it's actually listenable to as an actual music disc. 2. When Dream and Today Unite - This one is just plain cool because I never want to pull out WDADU and hear Dominici's weakness. Plus it has all those cool instrumentals strewn about. Ranks second because like AD, it's listenable to as a music disc. 3. Subconscious - This one's cool because it has the old A Change of Seasons on it, which I had never heard because I didn't want to spend 45 on The Dance of Eternity. This disc is ranked third because A Change of Seasons is listenable, the other tracks serve me as just a little archive. 4. Antiquities - I like this one. Half listenable, other half not because of suck frontmen. 5. Scenes From a Memory - Coolest part on this one for me is Oliver's Twist. Ranked fourth because the rest mainly is just an archival of bad singers. =) I'm sure PT and TDoW will rank up near number one, just for the fact that they both have a ton of stuff I really want to hear. oh well, latah D. Ryan Whitaker http://www.baylor.edu/~David_Whitaker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 18:46:31 -0600 From: WhiteWolf To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Carey & Gillette Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970530184631.0068c684@autobahn.mb.ca> >All singers have strong points and weak points.... As do musicians. >Mariah's songwriters exploit her falsettos abilities to sell records...Its a gimmick... True...very true. >same as Jim Gillette. 1> Nitro wrote & played all their own songs, all Mariah does is sing someone else's songs written for her...as do most female artists. (Madonna, Alanis, Shania) 2> And yes, Nitro was a gimmick from day one. The highest vocals and the fastest guitars...it was the brainchild of an A&R rep from, I believe, Atlantic records. (I could be wrong, have to research it) I guess we'll have to see what Jim's & Lita Ford's new band project brings. (Yep...Jim on vocals, Lita on guitars...only guitars.) L8r... =========================================================== Madness reigns in the Hall of the Mountain King =========================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 20:36:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Jon Byrne To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: size of guitarists Message-ID: At 01:44 AM 5/30/97 -0700, Trevor Holt wrote: >>I'm just wondering because usually the guitar hero's >>are lanky and skinny looking. It's just that I have a friend who is about >>his size and he doesn't think he will ever be that good because of his size. > >Trust me, size and guitar playing ability are not related. >Have you seen Steven Rothery from Marillion lately? How about BB King? He's not the sveltest musician I've ever seen, but certainly one of the most amazing. And why should size matter, when it comes to guitar playing at least. :) As long as you don't have extra tiny hands or a huge huge gut (so big you can't reach your axe), that is. Jonathan Byrne, 1L; WVU Collge of Law email_address_removed (WormWood or DrNick on IRC) Prog Page: http://access.mountain.net/~rael/progplan.htm Home Page: http://access.mountain.net/~rael/home.htm ----------------------------------------------------------- "I'll keep a vigil in a wilderness of mirrors Where nothing is exactly how it seems." -Fish, "Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 19:56:15 +0000 From: "KorgX3" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: size of guitarists Message-ID: > And why should size matter, when it comes to guitar playing at least. :) As > long as you don't have extra tiny hands or a huge huge gut (so big you can't > reach your axe), that is. Heheh... Or else you could be like me and have a sizable enough blub so that you're guitarrests on it while you play. :) (OK, not quite that big). I think it's why I took up keyboards. Thank goodness for long arms. :) > huh? I am 89 for PT and 72 for TDOW and I haven't gotten my cds. > What order does Mike send cds out in? Does he just go in random > order? If this is the case there is really no point to paying up > early except to make sure you get a copy. So Mike can you explain > your sending out methods????? Yah, I was thinking that, too. I'm number 83 for PT and around 40 for TDoW. Mike said he's sending these out in order of payment, though. You know. You remember reserving your copy and sending the money about a months later. :D That's what I ended up doing. That's OK. I've waited about 6 months. I can wait a little longer. :) One last note about the color thing... It's been kind of skipped around. This is written in a not-so-true sense in order to make sense to most people. White light, and most natural light, is made up of all the colors of the spectrum. Of course, color only exists physically in the object that the light hits. Objects absorb their opposite colors and reflect the rest. The combination of what colors it reflects blends into color that you see. Black also is all colors and none. True black absorbs all light and thus remains black. You can be in a room with 100,000 candlelight power and place a black object in it and it will still be black. Darkness is the absence of light. Blackness is the absorption of light. For experimentational purposes, work with opposite colors. Green and red being the most common. Place a green object in a red light and it turns black. Why? Because it absorbe the spectrum of colors that make up red, and has no other colors to reflect. Vice versa that if you like. It also explains that why when you wear black in the sun, you get warmer than if you wear white. You feel the heat generated by the physical absorption of the light, while the reflection generated a significantly lesser amount. Then those are layman's terms. The actual phyiscal nature of colors is represented by wavelengths of light rays and reflection and refractions and how they are interpreted by the brain. This is simply easier to understand. Thank You. "Why do we dream in black and white?" -- Gary Cherone KorgX3 a.k.a. Pastor of Muppets email_address_removed "Yay, yay, ormschperdinki du! Yay bork schperduggin dieder, Bork, Bork Bork!" ---Some Swede Muppet ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 23:05:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2598 Message-ID: > This is really late for this thread (I haven't been reading Jams in a > while). On the subject of vocal ranges, someone had said there is someone > with a 6 octave vocal range. As nice as it may sound, it's impossible. > > Mallet Man Yay! Someone finally backed me up in this! Whew. Steve Z ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 20:56:06 -0700 (MST) From: durnik To: email_address_removed Subject: CD sending methods Message-ID: Melissa does the packing and mailing, and sends the discs in the order the postmarks on the envelope are listed. So if you sent early money and somehow ended up, though trial or error, at #300 of each, you would still get your CD at the appropriate time. Virtual Songs... soon to be hitting mailboxes!! (well, within a week or two anyway). - Mike Bahr - email_address_removed - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 97 21:34:09 PDT From: email_address_removed (zack gemmill) To: email_address_removed Subject: if a tree... Message-ID: <9705310434.AA06160@fas2> Theoretically, all subtractive colors can be made by appropriate mixing of cyan (not quite "blue"), magenta (closer to "pink" than "red"), and yellow. Due to impurities in inks, combining them comes out a muddy brown, so black is used to make it truly black. Hence the 4-color (CMYK) printing process. Yeah. Like a dye-sub printer whose colors still aren't quite what they are on the CRT. "If a tree falls in the forest, and nobody hears it, does it make a sound?" No. It makes disturbances in the air. But unless there is an ear to covert those waves into the signals that our brain perceives as "sound", there is no sound. Yes. The definition of sound is a vibratory disturbance in a fluid (like air) that is *capable* of being detected by... [blah blah blah]." The real question being asked is whether the existence of any event is necessitated by an observer. Which is, of course, absurd. Like that damn tree question. Zach ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 01:18:46 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse Subject: Re: if a tree... Message-ID: On Fri, 30 May 1997, zack gemmill wrote: > "If a tree falls in the forest, and nobody hears it, does it make a sound?" If a tree falls in the forest, and it kills a mime, does anyone care? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 22:27:49 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: Ytsejam Mailing List Subject: Oh the HORROR! Message-ID: I was playin' Diablo today, with ACoS in the stereo, blarin' aloud, and 7.3 mins into the song, I'll alwa a a a a a a a a ys *ca-chik* remem m m m m m m mber the the the the the c c c c c hill of Novem m mber. So I take the CD out to check for CD debris, and there was none, no scratches either, and proceed to the player itself. No foreign substances or cock roaches there, so I put the CD back in, re-play that part, and again, *Ca-chik ca-chik ca-chik*...IT SUCKED BALLS! So I'm waiting for the CD fairy to come in the night and replace my CD with a good one, or money to replace it. Hey, to all you musicians out there, which songs really pump up your inspirational and creative juices? For me, the new Bush and Silverchair singles make me fucking hostile, so they're good to listen to when I need the angry edge to my music, Steve Vai's Fire Garden is great inspirational music for anything (I listen to that when drawing comics, painting projects, fiddle around on the guitar, and staying awake on an all-nighter). Well, I listen to all my CD's when I'm drawing, and that's a lot of drawin'... I'd like to create my own animations for my web page, I mean, I have the supplies and talent to create them on paper, I just need to know how to get it into the computer the most efficient way w/o losing much quality and what kind of format I should use. I'm thinking "java script." Email me privately if ya have any insight on the whole process. Well, I'm out of conversation for now, ~Ecksterammaman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 00:59:00 -0500 From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." To: email_address_removed Subject: Movies that are very funny (NDTC, YDMFs) Message-ID: Hello, everyone! I watched two movies this week while I waited for finals to sneak up on me. One movie was "Fear Of A Black Hat." This is required watching for everyone that enjoyed "This Is Spinal Tap." The second movie was called "CB4" and it starred Chris Rock, who is the funniest sumbitch since Pryor, IMO. Both of these movies are very entertaining to me. Fuck. This post has no point whatsoever. :) PS -- Today (Saturday, May 31) is the 1 year anniversary of the day that I drowned and was revived from the dead. At about 4:45 this post will have significance to me and I will save it. Take care, everyone, Mark Peters email_address_removed *********************************************************************** * Mark Peters -- email_address_removed -- Auburn University, Class of '99 * * Ytsejammer, tape trader at http://www.twav.com/swifty/index.htm * * * * "When they took away the Fourth Amendment, I was quiet because I * * didn't deal drugs. When they took away the Sixth, I was quiet * * because I was innocent. When they took away the Second, I was * * quiet because I don't own a gun. Now they've taken away the First, * * and I can say nothing about it." -- author unknown. * *********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 00:43:16 -0700 (PDT) From: King of The Internet To: email_address_removed Subject: YES! Message-ID: Well, I got to see No Doubt tonight at Shoreline. I wasn't feeling good and thought about blowing it off but I changed my mind. Boy am I glad I went! What a show! They played for :90+ and did a Sublime song (DJs) and a Beatles song (Ob la di, Ob la da). Everything else was pretty much from Tragic Kingdom and very little off the other two. I really can't think of anything that was bad about the show, it was just a really, really fun time. If you want a good live show, this would be the show to see. I'm not saying their the virtuosos that DT are, but they have an incredible stage prescence and there was a lot of positive energy. Scott *************************************************************************** "Black people were so happy when OJ was found not guilty they ran around Yelling "We won! We won! I check my mailbox every day and I still haven't received my OJ prize!" Chris Rock *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 10:25:29 +0200 From: Alexander Honnef To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: New Enchant CD!! Message-ID: You wrote: >Does anyone out there (German jammers, perhaps) know anything about the = new >Enchant release 'Time Lost' ? Is it a German only thing like 'Wounded' = was >last year ? >Check out the new project from Richie Blackmore, 'Blackmore's Night', = it's >awesome. >Any help is greatly appreciated >Graham Hi Graham, you ask about the new Enchant release!! I got it in the Last German = DREAM THEATER concert in Bonn. But yesterday, I look in my CD-Shop and I = see it there. It's a great album, not as good as Wounded, but good. =20 My favorite CD's: 1. G3 live 2. Fates Warning Apsog 3. Enchant Wounded 4. Enchant Time Lost 5. Threshold Extinct Instinct I'll wait for: 1. New DT 2. New DT 3. New DT ..... 10. New Savatage Greetings Alex ***"We are Microsoft. We will assimilate you" -Star Trek TNG parody*** -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- vvvvv=20 vvvv vvvvvvvvvvvvv vvvv=20 vvvv v v v vvvv Alexander Honnef vv v v v v v v v vv In der Mark 29 v v vv v vv v v 53547 Kasbach-Ohlenberg v v vv v vv v v Tel.: 02644-981242 vv v v v v v v v vv Fax:02644-981241 vvvv v v v vvvv Email: = email_address_removed.de vvvv vvvvvvvvvvvvv vvvv=20 vvvvv =20 _ _ __ ___ __ ___ __=20 | \| >|_ /\ |\/| | |_||_ /\ | |_ | >=20 _|_/| \|_/ \| | | | ||_/ \ | |_ | \=20 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 03:46:15 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Bruce Forst) To: email_address_removed Subject: FNM Message-ID: FYI: (I hadn't seen any mention yet so I thought I would.) Faith No More's new album "Album of the Year" release: June 3rd come hang out by the pool: a work in progress.. http://members.aol.com/pashalan/pool/water.htm bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 01:46:01 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" To: email_address_removed Subject: Progmetal CDs? Message-ID: Hey, got a question. I've been hearing loads of stuff from lottsa people about two bands, Angra and Symphony X. I'm very interested in these because of other bands that ytsejamers have recommended that I've now grown to love, such as Savatage (Stevens era), Fates, Rush, Tourniquet, Galactic Cowboys, Type O, and Extreme. I know I've read over jams that said tons about Angra and Symphony X, but I'd appreciate it if someone would privately send me a note saying what CD I should try first from either band (like EOT from Savatage, SOWN from Anthrax, "Independent" for Sacred Reich, etc.) and why that CD is so much better than the rest. Thanks all!! Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/6933 | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 15:22:42 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" To: email_address_removed Subject: il castrato Message-ID: > is illegal, but anyway, they possed the greatest vocal ranges every > and they consisted around 4 - 4 1/2 octaves in range. Now when I saw > range I mean "singable" range (meaning they can sing all the notes I remember reading that Farinelli, the most famous castrato singer ever, arguably the best, had vocal range of 3 and a half octaves. Now, all this chit-chat about singers here and there having N octaves and working on another sounds pretty pointless to me. Just as thoughtless as somebody on rec.music.artists.queensryche posting about how cool it is that Geoff has 12-octave range. (This is no joke.) Even I, without any musical knowledge whatsoever (OK, I play the guitar every now and then), know that whereas it's not impossible, it's still inhumanly hard to accomplish even a 4-octave range. Take a look at your guitar and mumble: I have an acoustic, it covers 3 and a half octaves, I have an electric and it covers 4. Play the lowest and then the highest note (provided the instrument is in tune). Maybe you won't suspect anymore that someone (insert your favorite singer here) can beat it. What am I on about? Hard to say. One thing really stands out for me: GET REAL! Next thing you know, we're gonna talk about which guitarist has the biggest conception and which drummer's drumming range is wider. One thing people tend to forget: we're in it for the music. Mindless flames will politely be ignored. Raitz Thru nature's inflexible grace I'm learning to QUOTE! (Hint hint, clue clue) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 10:32:12 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro To: El Jam Subject: Rush Restrospective Message-ID: Is number 2 out yet? if so..which songs are on it? thanx -- "At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 14:30:11 -0400 From: Joe Kruger To: email_address_removed Subject: Nitro (the band) for sale Message-ID: All this talk on the jam about Mr. Gillette has forced me to dig into my CD archives and replay the two Nitro cds that I have. I have now reached four conclusions: 1. Jim Gillette can really sing high. 2. Michael Angelo can really play fast. 3. Despite conclusions 1 & 2, they really suck (IMHO). 4. I should get rid of these cds. So who wants them. $15 will get both shipped to your house here in the US. Offer for residents of continental USA only. (Sorry). Joe ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2599 **************************