YTSEJAM Digest 2517 Today's Topics: 1) need a mailing list by email_address_removed 2) Re: Fates Warning by email_address_removed (Grim88) 3) ** New Ytsejam T-shirt Information ** by Pat Griffin 4) Yes! by Philip Kaplan 5) Webpages Obsessive-Compulsive Off-topic Immature Finger Lightbulbs by Mark Bredius 6) Re: QR by Mark Smeets 7) Rockernegativity by Brian Henderson 8) ozzynet by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" 9) speaking of which, ozzfest bandlist by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" 10) prog's tomb, LTL chords, TSM, midi by email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) 11) DT Tapes + Kassel 95 DAT Taped by Holger.Hoffmeister@t-online.de (Holger Hoffmeister) 12) SAVAFUCKINGTAGE!!!! by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" 13) help by email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) 14) JP in Copenhagen, denmark by Thomas Andersen 15) Fatez Theat're by Jon Parmet ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Apr 97 13:25:38 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: need a mailing list Message-ID: I'm tired of not getting any replies from Chris Ptacek, who said he'd provide one for the tribute discussion. I have all this stuff ready to go, it's a shame for this to die at this stage. Can someone help me with information about doing a mailing list? I haven't the faintest idea. There really is way too much traffic for me to handle, I wouldn't be able to keep it up at all. No way. Skadz? Anyone? Such a pity for a tribute to die from lack of communication. Jazzmin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:53:46 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Grim88) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Fates Warning Message-ID: >I heard a couple samples off the new FW album and just can't seem to get >into it. Is there something wrong with me? I've heard numerous people say >this is the best Fates with Ray. Is the album a good purchase for someone >who likes none of the other material with Ray??? Well, the only Fates that i did have ws perfect symettry and i wasn't at all impressed by it, mainly because of the vocals but I got ...Grey because of all the positive remarks I heard and I think its a great CD. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:10:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin To: ThE NuGgeTjAm Subject: ** New Ytsejam T-shirt Information ** Message-ID: +-------------------------------------------------------+ | | | Ytsejam T-Shirts | | | +-------------------------------------------------------+ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** new since last update * new in last two updates --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** The semester is almost over, and in a couple of weeks I will be leaving ** Columbia and heading back to St Louis for the summer. I will continue ** to accept shirt orders, but I'm asking everyone to send them to my home ** address in St. Louis, since I can't guarantee my Columbia mail will be ** forwarded. After a lot of work, I managed to get all of my records in order, so this update is 100% accurate in regards to the numbers of shirts sold and remainging, etc... The XXL shirts are now sold out, and the XXXL shirts have been sold out since last week. There is still one Medium shirts, 6 Large, and 61 XL remaining. I did manage to make the money to make the final payment in time for the shirts. From this point on, the shirts will be going towards paying back my loan for the downpayment. Thanks again to everyone who has ordered, and all of you who plan to. I would just like to take this chance to thank everyone who has been so supportive of the shirts... It's nice to know that my work on this project is appriciated. And special thanks to Chris Hailey for the amazing artwork. ======== Web Page ======== There is a web page online, complete with ordering instructions, facts and figures, comments on the shirts, actual scans directly off the shirts, a list of paid orders, and a mini FAQ. Check it out at: http://www.cclabs.missouri.edu/~c675311/ytsejam/ ======= Details ======= The Ytsejam shirts are two sided prints. The front of the shirt features a *full color* raytraced graphic from Chris Hailey in Washington. The graphic is a beautifully done scene with the Majesty logo floating behind a group of marble columns on a tile floor with a wide view of space visible behind. The back of the shirt is in a solid light blue color. The majority of the design is a huge Majesty logo, framed by the Dream Theater title at the top, the mailing list address on the sides and "Ytsejam" at the bottom. Below that is "Internet Mailing List" between two more Majesty logos. The current lot of shirts is 217 (they printed up more than I asked for, but I'm not complaining). If those run out, and demand is high enough, I may run another with a slightly different design. You can check out all of the details, as well as a preview of the shirts at: http://www.cclabs.missouri.edu/~c675311/ytsejam/ Please note: Due to some legal issues, the University will no longer allow me to keep this commercial advertisement on their server. To sidestep this issue, Chris Merlo was kind enough to put the page up on his account. Please go to the URL above and follow the link to the new site. ======= Pricing ======= The cost of the shirts is $16 each. The shirt is damn close to concert quality, so $16 is a steal (last Dream Theater concert I was at charged $23 for a shirt!). If you require a size larger than XL, please let me know ASAP so I can get those orders in. There is an additional $1 charge for each size increase (ie. XXL = $17). If you are picking the shirt up from me directly the $16 price stands. If you can't get the shirt in person, you can order one through the mail for $20 to cover shipping. I spoke with the people at the post office and I've decided to set the shipping prices outside the USA at $9, for a total of $25. I realize this is damn expensive for a tshirt, and I'm sorry. If individual prices are signifigantly less expensive, I will gladly return a check for the balance. The rundown: M, L or XL shirt, picked up: $16 M, L or XL shirt, mailed in the US: $20 M, L or XL shirt, mailed outside the US: $25 ============ Availability ============ Size: Sold: Reserved: Remaining: Total: ----- ----- --------- ---------- ------ M 4 0 1 5 L 32 0 6 38 XL 85 0 61 146 XXL 24 0 0 24 XXXL 4 0 0 4 ------ ----- --------- ---------- ------ Totals 149 0 68 217 ======== Ordering ======== The shirts are open to mail ordering now. Mail orders will be shipped out every Wednesday via Priority Mail for US orders, and airmail for all others. Checks and money orders will be cashed before the order goes out, most likely on Monday. So far, mail orders have gone well, the only problem I have had has been with the bank, not the post office, so don't worry about your orders. All US orders are insured for the amount paid for the shirts and shipping, and insurance on airmail depends on the country and other aspects. To order, send a check or money order for the proper US dollar amount (see pricing above) to: Pat Griffin 6581 Bradley Ave <-- Note the change of address! St. Louis, MO 63139 Make them payable to Pat Griffin, and remember this in US dollars. Be sure to include: Your name. Email address. Mailing address. Phone number. Quantity of shirts you want to order. The size of each. Whether this order is for pickup for mail order. I will keep you up to date on the status of the shirts through email. ============= Miscellaneous ============= Remember that all the info can be found online at: http://www.cclabs.missouri.edu/~c675311/ytsejam/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have any questions feel free to email me at: email_address_removed Or call at: (573)771-1964 or (314)645-8649 after May 24th. h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality2 Design | | email_address_removed email_address_removed | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:22:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Philip Kaplan To: "my peoples -- Brian C. Smith" , Subject: Yes! Message-ID: The best quote ever: "One day yer' snorting coke off a teenagers ass, and the next yer' a has been." - Nikki Sixx, Motley Crue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:00:41 +0200 From: Mark Bredius To: "'Ytsejam'" Subject: Webpages Obsessive-Compulsive Off-topic Immature Finger Lightbulbs Message-ID: Yanos Aldron : > OK folks, I find it hard to believe that there are only 10 people > on the jam including myself, that have their own web page! There > is no need to be shy about it. Send me the URL of your personal > web page and I will get you on the consolidated list I have created. Check my Ytsejam Birthday Calendar at : http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ Not only does it have the birthdays and email addresses of 127 Ytsejammers... it also has links to 69 Ytsejammer HOMEPAGES ! (that's one of the reasons I started that calendar). You might also wanna check out my Most Frequent Poster list. Every last URL someone mentions on this mailinglist gets a link on it :-) There is a big chance it's a homepage, that was mentioned in a sig. It's fun seeing what sites got linked to that list. Btw, there will be *new* MFP and domain-lists in a few days ! _____ >> Whoah, man... First the death of Itchy The Obsessive-Compulsive > > You posted that you were going to unsubscribe due to > intense antagonistic pressures directed towards you by > mamalookaboobalistickexpyaladocious. Guess you didn't. :) I was talking about the "Obsessive-Compulsive" part. "Pardon ?" As for unsubscribing : > You have been removed from list email_address_removed. > Thanks for being with us. But then I realized I was unsubbing *just* when people were finally going to talk about Dream Theater (Euro mini-tour). I got *back* on the list soon after I unsubbed :-) *BiG* MiStAkE! :-P (kidding) I *luv* you guys (in a non Adolf Hitler cocksucking kinda way) :-> _____ ~eckie said : > Hey, does anybody know where the DREAM THEATER discussion list is? There isn't one. _____ Anton Max : > Yes, the finger was an immature flame. I've seen it before, when someone announced he was going to unsub, and we'll probably see it a few more times. You'll get used to it. Still, I like it a lot better than this shit : Lars Hellsten : >> say that to my face and i'll flatten you like a fucking pancake, boy. > > Ooooooh! So we got a tough guy on the jam, eh? So are you also > planning to flatten the other 1000 Ytsejammers you've flamed? Maybe > you ought to just crawl back under your bridge, troll! Or do we have > to "Ostrich"-ize you? Hehehe. Ass-monger! Can we please have a recount on those "other 1000 Ytsejammers" ? :-) _____ I've heard a lot about the new Fates Warning album. It's supposed to be pretty darn good. Can someone please post a review of it ? _____ What's this talk about a lightbulb joke ? Did I miss something ? Can someone repost it please ? ;-) Enough crap for one post, Mark email_address_removed Would someone please let me know how we _ _____ ___ _ _ __ __ have spun out of control ? |:||_.:._|/:._]|:]_[:|\.\_/./ Has the captain let go of the wheel ? |:| |:| (.:(_ |:___:| \_::/ (Queensryche - Sign of the Times) |_| [_] \___]|_] [_| [__/ _________________________________________________________________________ "What is this, some kind of fucking circus ?" - J. LaBrie (Dream Theater) Dream Theater online "Under A Cyber Moon" http://www.prognosis.com/dream/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 13:33:57 PST From: Mark Smeets To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: QR Message-ID: ** Reply to note from email_address_removed 04/28/97 12:52pm -0700 Hi everyone, I bought the new QR on saturday, plus I got a bonus disc with it (has chasing blue sky and 2 songs from MTV unplugged...killing words kicks ass acoustic) Anyways, I haven't stopped listening to the cd...I really really love it. It's nothing like the old stuff although there are a few parts that kinda remind me of a few songs but it's still a great album. As much as I love Chris' singing on All I want....why not just call in McCartney and let him sing it :) WHy does barely anyone like this cd? Mark/Stranger0 *You must unlearn, what you have learned, only then, will you have learned something. - Yoda, Star Wars *I have learned, that I know nothing - Mark Smeets *You have not yet completed your training - Yoda, Star Wars Check out the Megadeth Faq: http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/Front.htm My Page: http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:43:23 -0400 From: Brian Henderson To: email_address_removed Subject: Rockernegativity Message-ID: >so I don't end up not going to their >concert because I think he's an asshole. I'd hate to think someone that >talented could be like that. Suggestion: Don't listen to Malmsteen... Yngwie J. Henderson, Golden Pocket Guide to Cyberburlaps of North America email_address_removed "Hey... What the hell?! Hey!" -- me, locked inside a freezer, GIANT, yesterday ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:45:38 -0500 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds Subject: ozzynet Message-ID: >Yes, Ozzy is suing with the help of the ACLU (God, I'm actually rooting >for the liberals here!). Its a freedom of expression issue and OZZFEST >is boycotting the state of NJ until the issue is resolved. More info: >http://www.ozzynet.com > ok, this address doesnt seem to exist from what nutscrape is telling me, is it incorrectly typed or a different place or wha? i'm confused :) if anyone can give me the lowdown, mail me. thannnnnx. counting down the days til ozz fest hits st louis, ~Rip ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:04:55 -0500 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds Subject: speaking of which, ozzfest bandlist Message-ID: for those interested, here's what the lowdown is: MAIN STAGE: OZZY SABBATH (Ozzy, Iomi, Geezer) Marilyn Manson (selected dates) Pantera Type-O Negative (WOO!!!!) Fear Factory (double WOO!!!!!!!) Machinehead Powerman 5000 2nd Stage: Downset Neurosis Slo Burn Drain STH Coal Chamber Vision of Disorder ~Rip ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:14:32 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) To: email_address_removed Subject: prog's tomb, LTL chords, TSM, midi Message-ID: >Prog is NOT dead. Start a band, and play some prog for your friends. We >just might be able to start something huge. > I know what you mean. Forget 'bout all the blabber about technically difficult music lacking feeling... people are always impressed when they hear good music played by good musicians. Especially at concerts... for some reasons it's not the same on CD, and a lot of people miss the boat. >Hey, could somebody help me out? >In the song Learning to Live, at 9:08 there is a keyboard solo and the guitar >drops out. Could somebody tell me what the chords are behind the solo? simply speaking: a, b , e , c , a , b , e(for 2 beats) ;repeat can't remember which is min/maj/etc. at the moment I just read Mike Bahr's extnsive comparison between TSM and 1001 Nights, and I dig it. My question is, how does it fit in the whole 'A mind Beside Itself'? I mean I've always seen TSM as an answer to all the problems and confusion in Voices. Was it that JP found thge answer to all those doubts he was having in that book? Sorry if this has already been discussed. also: I just started getting into midi and I have a problem. When I record w/ my keyboard i don't hear anything of what I'm playing, or the tempo. However the notes come out, and you can hear it when you play it back. Any body know wuzzup? is it the program? Does any body know any good free sequencing software i can get on the net to start out? thanks thankyouverymuch Ernie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 23:10 +0100 From: Holger.Hoffmeister@t-online.de (Holger Hoffmeister) To: email_address_removed Subject: DT Tapes + Kassel 95 DAT Taped Message-ID: Hi folks, I am relatively new on this list and I thought I can offer my record of the Kassel 95 Show. A friend of mine taped it for me with Sony DAT. It was the first time they played the new acos live in Germany, maybe the first time ever. After the song MP said, that we were the ones to hear it first. The Setlist: - under a glass moon - the mirror - lie - lifting shadow - a change of season - surrounded - keyboard improvisation / Erotomania - voices - silent man - pull me under - wait for sleep (keyboard part is played by guitar) - learning to live I’m looking for the Concerts of the 95 Tour. Especially those with new Jams/ Improv. I can remember the Hannover 95 Show, where JP played a Flamenco based improvisation. Does anybody know something about this Song? I am also interested in other Concerts from DT. So please send me your lists Holger.Hoffmeister@t-online.de ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:16:08 -0500 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds Subject: SAVAFUCKINGTAGE!!!! Message-ID: WOO!!! I JUST GOT WORD, TAGE IS RE RELEASING THE ORIGINAL STREETS IN ITS TWO CD ENTIRETY! they had it planned before, and scrapped the idea, now its back into action. AHH!!!! KICK ASSSSSSS. WOOO. ok just had to shoot off, later! :) ~Rip ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:21:44 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) To: email_address_removed Subject: help Message-ID: could someone send me a copy of the jam w/ the neil peart in the elavator joke? I didn't get it for some reason... thankyouverymuch Ernie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 23:44:05 +0100 From: Thomas Andersen To: email_address_removed Subject: JP in Copenhagen, denmark Message-ID: HI THERE.....! Im comming right from the JP clinic in copenhagen jazzhouse...... It was great......This man is a GOD, no doubt! I'v seen DT 2 times in denmark, but never spoken to them, but this time I got my chance....JP is just a great guy...so easy to speak to... GREAT SHOW...... .look out fot the tune "lines in the sand" its cool (only heard it instrumental) but it defenently kicks ass!! but he was not sure if its gonna be on the new album. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 21:58:37 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: Fire Garden Subject: Fatez Theat're Message-ID: > From: Partha > "Lines in the Sand" (MY PREDICTION FOR NEW ALBUM TITLE!, what's your > guess?) That works. I also like "A New Millennium." It has a 90's kinda ring to it ;) > b) if anybody actually read this whole damn thing, send me an e-mail, > I'm really curious Good stuff, Partha! I decided to POST instead of e-mail in order to balance (if that IS the key) the excessive posting of stuff that should be taken to e-mail :) How about we collectively agree to allow, say, one flame and it's associated reply, before requiring it to be taken to e-mail. I say one to allow for it to be publicly established that it is, in fact, a flame. Then again, go for it, if you need to let it out. I've just recently discovered that, in digest mode, there's a key I can use to skip over a post without deleting the whole digest. The particular key is left as an exercise for the reader (unless, of course, it has been used to engage this post :) > c) and gordon....it's FATES, not FATE'S Isnt it Fatez? :) After all, this is a DT mailing list, right? When in Rome..... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And speaking of DT content, I have some observations and question. Hopefully there's some interest in this kind of DT related stuff :) I've heard Awake for quite some time now, but recently bought it and was curious: Did 6:00, IF or LSOAD get any radio play around other parts of the country (pick a country, ok?)? I feel that there are two sounds off of this album that are marketable on radio: the heavier prog metal one and the more pop groove metal one. Feel free to substitute your own phraseology if you can't accept these. Notice the songs I've chosen are all 5 or so minutes long. They could be edited for radio, if neccessary, though they're not that much over the legal limit :) Heavier Prog Metal: Around here (Boston), I only remember hearing CIAW when the album debuted. It's a great song, but from a radio airplay perspective, 6:00 might have done better as it has more accessible riffs/hooks (the main guitar riff, the keys/bass/drums at the beginning during "I know about the Honor" and during "Inside...", the familiar phrases such as "bases to cover", "blowing my cover", "don't cut your losses", "answer the call"). It is the first song, after all :) Pop Groove Metal: This one really has me confused. IF and LSOAD are chock full of hooks and neither of them, to my knowledge, got any airplay around here. And they both, especially LSOAD, have got so much going for them in the way the mood of the sound complements the mood of lyrics. Must I crank up the 1KW Linear Amp and stomp over local radio (till the boys in the white van triangulate on my position, that is)? Any thoughts on the above? Forgive me if this has been discussed to death. What hasn't? Jon *------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | email_address_removed | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------* "Love is a canvas furnished by Nature and embroidered by imagination." ---- Voltaire ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2517 **************************