YTSEJAM Digest 2516 Today's Topics: 1) QR by Pat Daugherty 2) James Story? by Chris Ptacek 3) g3 album by imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg) 4) the gentle art of making sence of yourself. by Syrinx 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2515 by Chris Ptacek 6) Re: Any news on Crimson Glory/TNT reunions? by email_address_removed.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara) 7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2505 by "Andrew T. Forcier" 8) DT at MSG; Crimson Glory by email_address_removed 9) Fates Warning & Dream Theater by Michael Backof 10) My opinions, however worthless... by "Andrew T. Forcier" 11) by 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2515 by "Richard A. Rivera" 13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2514 by "Richard A. Rivera" 14) Take Away My Pain by Timothy Adams 15) a very very unusual DT show by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:17:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: QR Message-ID: Tickets for QR at Nissan Pavillion went on sale Saturday at noon. I get to Hechts at 5 of and there was only one person in line. This guy wanted Tina Turner tickets though. He ended up not ordering and the lady said QR tickets weren't up yet, but I ended up with 7th row in the orchestra pit center. I was psyched!!!!!! I guess the fact that the Baltimore Sun had no mention of the tickets going on sale had a part to do with it. Thank God for the internet! Eric Johnson at Bohagers in Baltimore on Wednesday. I saw that there will be an opening act. Anyone know who they are? |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:31:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Ptacek To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: James Story? Message-ID: I got backstage at the Awake show because DT's tour manager was the shit. Anyways, while talking to the band, I mentioned to James that I thought Awake was the best album I'd bought so far that year, and he was quick to say "I don't know... wait till you hear the new Queensryche." I think he's different on the stage than he is in person. I mean, think about it. You're working your ass off (and any of you who don't play any instruments or bother singing, let me tell ya, it IS work... just very rewarding work), trying to do something very very precise, and shit happens that screws it up, you may well get upset. I'm no tjustifying yelling at people or anything... but I understand it. > Prog is NOT dead. Start a band, and play some prog for your friends. We > just might be able to start something huge. Amen! > Chris Ptacek is kicked out of the Fates hardcore club cause he didn't get his > Fates on opening day... :P "FUCK YOU DIE" :) - Adolf "Cock Sucker" LaBrie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:35:17 -0700 (PDT) From: imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg) To: email_address_removed Subject: g3 album Message-ID: Got this from the Steve Vai mailing list. Thought it might be of interest: >For all you Steve Vai fans out there who have been waiting >for the release of the G3 live CD the wait will be over finally on June >3, 1997. The track listing is as follows: > >Steve Vai > >1. Answers >2. For The Love Of God >3. The Attitude Song > >Joe Satriani > >1. Cool#9 >2. Flying In A Blue Dream >3. Summer Song > >Eric Johnson > >1. Zap >2. Manhatten >3. Carmel's Night Out > >Jam Songs (Featuring all 3 players > >1. I'm Goin Down >2. My Guitar Wants To Kill Your Mamma >3. Red House > > oOo If a man could pass through Paradise in a dream, and have a flower presented to him as a pledge that his soul had really been there, and if he found that flower in his hand when he awoke - Aye, and what then? oOo Niklas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:55:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx To: Chris Ptacek Subject: the gentle art of making sence of yourself. Message-ID: > > >think he's just dandy? A comment about a DT member kind of follows into a > > >grey area, particularly when Mindcrimer knows what reaction to expect. > > >However Syrinx did not know that he was going to offend people with his > > >opinions, and if he did, *I* didn't know that, so judging me based on this > > >is inappropriate. > > Mike is an intelligent guy. He knows EXACTLY what to expect when > he posts. Further, I think it's ridiculous to try and say that making fun > of a musician who's respected by this list, SO LONG AS HE'S NOT A MEMBER > OF DT, is okay, but making fun of a DT member is not okay. I wouldn't > want to see you slip on that fence and crack a nad due to indecision. You > can't take both sides, without being half as effective. i think it's time i step in here. i post a certain way for a certain reason: generally to get a rection. whether it's positivly or negativly, it matters none to me. i've seen too many posts where they just say "here's my opinion blah blah blah" and that's it. the mark of any good newgroup (or newsletter, as the jam is) is the thoughtfull balance between humor and worthwhile conversation. let it be known that i have pissed off a member of dream theater (and have since appologized for stepping across another line i didn't mean to cross) and i have pissed a lot of you off. the reason is simple: the more you diagree with sometning, the more you'll try and show the others side your point of view...and hopefully, that's done constrctivly. do i think chris went over the line? yes. did i think that -i- may have gone over the line? perhaps. notice the kind of issues that were brought up following the post. some of them were moronic (lars, espically) and others really made me stop and think. there's a reason i say "i welcome all intellegent comments," mainly because i like to see the other side. only through seeing the other side (not always agreeing with it) makes me not close-minded; it makes me a better person. to quote a song from an old hardocre band: "there's no purpose in saying you're sorry when you did what you thought was right you can always learn to accept new ideals if you can risk your hypothetical pride i'm not looking to change the world pushing politics is not my concern i just have a wish to improve myself i've realised there's so much more to learn to act...to think..for myself...with no regrents and to find what is real." just something to think about. comment are always welcome. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:02:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Ptacek To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2515 Message-ID: > I have been reading all these posts for the past couple months about > people's encounters backstage with the members of DT, and have been > wondering "how'd they pull that off?" Hahahah! If we told you, then we'd have to tell EVERYONE, and then our tricks might not work by the time DT gets to US again! J/K Actually, there's only two things you can do, I think. You either have to know someone (i.e. a band member, a tour manager, concert promoter, etc, whom I know none of) or you get to the venue several hours early (if the show opens at 7PM, you are there at 2 PM.) so you are present when the band arrives. I find it's rare that at any show the band will use the side entrance to get in. Sometimes they use it to grab a smoke during the opening act, and sometimes the shows are just too popular and EVERYONE is there at 2 PM, but generally, the front dorrs are where I do my begging and pleading. Of course, at the Jason Becker Benefit, I was able to talk to the mighty Greg Howe as he was waiting for a cab. No one else recognized him. :) Until recently, I thought it would be a good idea to wear a Ytsejam t-shirt... but now I'm not so sure. I will anyways, but I doubt it will help my cause next tour. :) Take care! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 01:25:11 +0900 From: email_address_removed.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Any news on Crimson Glory/TNT reunions? Message-ID: At 6:49 1997.4.28 -0700, Chung Ng wrote: >I could swear that I read that there were going to be reunion albums by >Crimson Glory and TNT (few months back). Any news on this would be greatly >appreciated. I am starved for bands that I grew up with in the 80s... Sorry. I don' have no info about new Crimson Glory,but let me tell ya something about TNT. They'll play tomorrow at our area (Osaka JAPAN). And latest album titled Firefly is CRAP. Yes, there're 2 nice songs ("Daizy Jayne" and "Monthes Of Sundays"), but most songs on this album are grungy songs. Can you believe that? I think grunge days are over and it's very nice timing to move to more artistic music. So I wanted them to play Morning Wood (Tony's post TNT project with Al Pitrelli) style music. But this wasn't happened..... Thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- -Keiji Nishihara 　Doshisha Uni. Electric/Electronic Material Lab. Semiconductor ARRAY KYOTO JAPAN email_address_removed.ne.jp email_address_removed.ac.jp ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:32:26 -0400 From: "Andrew T. Forcier" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2505 Message-ID: Hey guys! Just got back from a long weekend, plowing through a pile of Fate-seejams (the subject tells you what number I'm on). Can someone in ack mode do me a favor and tell me when the love/hate APSoG flame war ends? My retinas are begin to melt... Or is that retinae... Oh, and by the way, I don't have to read reviews of the new Fates to know whether or not I'll like it, so you can stop offering them. I believe custom has been in the past: 1) Jammer asks about band/album. 2) Numerous Jammers reply in Jam about said band/album. 3) Several Jammers ask for future reviews to be in private mail. It's a valuable system, and it works well. I think we have gotten everyone's impressions of the new Fates album. If I get to Jam 2515, which is the last on in my box right now, and this hasn't changed be prepared for reviews of the last three albums I got: INXS, Cheap Trick, and QR. Yes, that's right ANOTHER HitNF review. You have been warned. Maybe I'll go get another Chris Isaak album and review that too. I think there's still one I don't have... ____________________________________________________ Andrew Forcier --List Manager-- The Peppermint Tribe, the Saigon Kick Mailing List For info, check out: http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~rfm5570/ or send e-mail inquiries to: email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:25:41 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: DT at MSG; Crimson Glory Message-ID: In Ytsejam # 2514, Chris White wrote: >Anyway, I was watching the St. Louis vs Detroit hockey game today, and during a >break in the action, the PA system played "SIgn of the Times" (or whatever it's >called). I was pretty impressed.. Now if they'll only play DT... :) > Chris I was at a few Rangers games at Madison Square Garden and they actually played the instrumental section of "Caught in a Web" on the loud speaker. When I heard it I jumped out of my seat, almost spilling my beer on the guy in front of me! LET'S GO RANGERS! In Ytsejame #2515, Chung Ng wrote: >I could swear that I read that there were going to be reunion albums by >Crimson Glory and TNT (few months back). Any news on this would be greatly >appreciated. I am starved for bands that I grew up with in the 80s... Jon Drenning, Crimson Glory's guitarist, writes for my magazine (Sportsform) as our Southern region correspondent and our sister publication (College & Pro Football Newsweekly) as an NFL draft correspondent, and he has been keeping me up on the Crimson Glory reunion. When I heard from him last, he told me he was going to Europe to find a label. Midnight will not be singing on the new album, but I've been told the new vocalist is very good. Take care, Adam Perkowsky NP: Fates Warning "APSoG" Part IV ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:33:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Backof To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Fates Warning & Dream Theater Message-ID: Hello Jammers, Just a quick line to you all. I really love the New Fates Warning, a Pleasant Shade of Grey. Incredible melodies, complex, Zonder's drumming is incredible. And Kevin Moore on the keys. I keep getting the feeling that I like this album far more than the new Dream Theater when it eventually gets released. Just a gut instinct from someone who thought Awake was great stuff when he first heard it, but I also like the recent Fates Warning albums as well. That's all, Mike ************************************************************************ *Mike Backof **** email_address_removed *** http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1 * *Inferno Home Page ******* http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html* *Unsigned & Indie Label Bands Page ******************* Support ********* *http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html ****** Local Bands ******* ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:42:51 -0400 From: "Andrew T. Forcier" To: email_address_removed Subject: My opinions, however worthless... Message-ID: Hello, I'd like to begin by saying that I refuse to accept responsibility for not knowing all of the information that was in the last twenty or so Jams. I did not want to read all the Fates flames and thus skipped over most of the material. That being said: >Okay, here's what I'd like you to understand. >It's lonely being a FW fan. This list is one of the very few places >where we can talk about stuff like APSOG and find other people who... And here's what I'd like you to understand: a month ago, I was feeling the same way about Saigon Kick. No one talked about them anymore and all my friends hate them. So what did I do: got off my ass and "created" a mailing list with the help of other fans (check my sig). I'm not knocking Fates in ANY way, but if there are so many fans on this jam, why don't you help the BAND out and make a list. It helps gain support for the artist: case in point, the petition may not have ever happened without the Jam. Some ignorant putz (Jacktallica Thetfield ) wrote about Megadeth: >They don't need any freaks, because they are the freaks. And, >regardless of how the video actually turns out, I don't think anybody >gives a rat's ass: I'll give a rat's ass: Are you volunteering yours? Dave Mustaine is a man with his own problems, problems I can identify with. If you want to trash him for having problems in a forum like this in the way you did (there was more to his snippet than what's above), you are inviting my anger and flames. >But I just found it odd that Dave would feel the need to apologize for >his past work. ------------------------------ >I CAN'T FUCKING TAKE IT ANYMORE! Scott! Don't tell me you're leaving? Who'll be my source of humor since Ptacek is occupied? Rip said: >now i just gotta go check out chasing amy :) Great movie! This and Grosse Pointe Blank are the two best I've seen this year. That is, of course, not including the Holy Trilogy... :) >That's _Ayn_ Rand (rhymes with "mine"). Spelling's Ayn, still pronounced Ann though. Unless you're Russian... :) >I just received a shitload of ytsejams. It seems there are more posts >bitching about "off topic posts" than there are actual off topic posts. >Makes a hell of a lot of sense to me. Really? 'Cause to me posting that doesn't. :P >You know, it struck me why maybe there are so many damned flame wars >here. I think at least half of the people who subscribe to this list >are musicians themselves. Actually, I'm a guitarist, not a musician. The difference: put a piece of sheet music in front of me and I'll run way. Of course, this isn't the case with all guitarists... :) >Ozzy is pretty pissed about it, stuck to his guns (he could have easily >dropped Manson and replaced the act), and is apparently thinking of >suing the NJSEA for some reason. Yes, Ozzy is suing with the help of the ACLU (God, I'm actually rooting for the liberals here!). Its a freedom of expression issue and OZZFEST is boycotting the state of NJ until the issue is resolved. More info: http://www.ozzynet.com >Eric Johnson in a couple weeks. He's playing at a club in >Northampton, MA called Pearl Street on May 11th. Tickets are only >$15-$20 I saw Dave Matthews here four years ago, and let me tell you: this venue was amazing. The crowd was so calm, yet into the music, and the staff was soooo non-harassing. Maybe things change, but I highly recommend this place! Jon Parmet said: >Damn Rush. Why can't they just make up their fookin' minds? That was funny as hell. A welcome break, thanks for the relief... Much like this one: >Top 10 Lines That Will Get You Punched If You're Stuck In An Elevator >With Neil Peart. >I've never heard "Disposable Heroes" live, but I have anewfound respect >for Jaymz' picking arm strength. I need the name of any boot that has both this and Creeping Death. My thanks in advance! >And yet, most of the Jammers are usually quick to dismiss punk as 'that >crap' Punk is in no way crap. Most 90's punk is crap. Most 70's and early 80's punk rules. I won't volunteer my reviews, but get anything by The Damned, The Stooges, or Sex Pistols. Good shit. Hey... does "good shit" qualify as an oxymoron? >I think "pop fans" are much more open-minded... They'll listen to >*everything* that is played on the radio or eMpTyV. :-) (even if it's >"crap" or "sucks") The above is probably the single most intelligent statement I have seen on the Jam in the last few months (not a joke). I commend Itchy for his intelligence, and his balls in actually hitting send. My friend Matt is a victim of pop culture and freely admits such, but he says being so adaptable saves him money. He can listen to the radio all the time and never worry about when the next "big thing" will come along and he'll have to buy all new CDs. My other friend Ed hated Oasis, until they got played every day on the radio, now he worships them. Yes, Ed is a fool... -- ____________________________________________________ Andrew Forcier --List Manager-- The Peppermint Tribe, the Saigon Kick Mailing List For info, check out: http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~rfm5570/ or send e-mail inquiries to: email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:04:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard A. Rivera" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2515 Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 email_address_removed wrote: I could swear that I read that there were going to be reunion albums by > Crimson Glory and TNT (few months back). Any news on this would be greatly > appreciated. I am starved for bands that I grew up with in the 80s... > TNT does in fact have a reunion album out right now. It's called "Firefly" and it's only available as an import (to U.S. fans). Word is that it is pretty good, if you're into them. I only own "Realized Fantasies" (which I like a lot) and "Tell No Tales" (which is decent). It's quite possible that a lot of jammers will like them. They have DEFINITE prog elements, though they are mainly a melodic hard rock band. Great guitar player and a singer w/ excellent range. Richie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:20:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard A. Rivera" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2514 Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 email_address_removed wrote: > > Well, Take Away My Pain... Some quite powerful lyrics, but the music is so > > weak. A song about John's father's death, sounding like a Bon Jovi ballad. I > > expected a calm, sad song, but instead they did a bombastic, pathetic AOR > > track. Would you let a big band play "In The Mood" during your dad's funeral? > > No, of course, that wouldn't fit. And I think this song doesn't fit, too. > > It has the same happy feeling like Another Day, though this time everything's > > over. I just don't understand it! I've said it before and i'll say it again, "Take Away My Pain" is my favorite of the new DT stuff I've heard and is destined to rank amoung my favorite DT songs of all time. The lyrics, like you said, are amazingly powerful: they're fairly simplistic (at least compared to other JP works like "Metropolis" or ""Voices") but the song is so personal that to dress the words up in fancy imagery or literary allusions would detract from it's intent. And as far as the music goes, I love BJ (Bon Jovi, that is:) and AOR also. It's definitely the most "commerical" song I've heard of the new stuff and it is also the most catchy. To call it "bombastic" I think is a huge exaggeration. It's not like they have german opera going for backing vocals or anything. It is an electrified ballad of the highest caliber. And as far as it not being appropriate as a song about death, I think we each deal with death in our own away. I wouldn't say that the song is "happy", per se; in fact, one of the things I love about the song is the contrast between "poppy" music and depressing. As for the Another Day comparison, I think it's fitting that both songs have a similarity, since at least it is my understanding, both songs have a connection to JP's father. Richie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:47:50 -0400 From: Timothy Adams To: email_address_removed Subject: Take Away My Pain Message-ID: I see lots of people comment negatively about this song. I feel much different about it. That song just seems to touch a special side of me. I think it may be the way James sings it. It's full of emotion and he really gets it right. I know balls and chunck is where its at but I really think this song will be a real highlight on the new album. -Tim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 97 13:24:11 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: a very very unusual DT show Message-ID: Coupla nights ago I had the strangest dream. Dream Theater was going to play a show, but their venue was the local Cloth World. (A typical place where you go to get fabric, sewing supplies, crafty things like that. Not a typical place for a concert.) So there I was, doing my press thang and trying to get the band out of their "dressing room" (aka the manager's office). The truck was parked inside, and the sides came off -- voila! the stage! So the band gets up to do their stuff, there are by now a whole lot of your typical metalhead fans, then some lonely stringy-looking blonde dirty guys in black, then a few women dressed in goth (like me I guess), lace and black spandex and denim or leather. Whatever. A lot of black, a lot of dyed hair. A lot of body decorations. The guys didn't even do a soundcheck, and James got all pissed off, and then the others decided they'd just do air-guitar and instruments. They were all dressed alike in denim vests, jeans, and cowboy boots, and sat down in a row with their backs to the audience. The crowd was really pissed and when the band went back to the dressing room the people just got up and walked out. I was so embarrassed, I felt like I hadn't done the promotions right (although I hadn't been hired to do it). I got up on stage and begged them to come out (the mics were wired into the store intercom). But by that time they'd already left. What a depressing dream! ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2516 **************************