YTSEJAM Digest 2504 Today's Topics: 1) qr, gripes, apsog by "Andrew Miller" 2) Lie CD Trade by Brian Wherry 3) APSoG (again) by evan andrew nelson 4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2501 by "Richard A. Rivera" 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2502 by Chris Ptacek 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2503 by Steve Zebrowski 7) Re: Lie CD Trade by Brian Wherry 8) Re: My last post.. by Irene Raceu 9) by Phil Carter 10) The mother of all replies. by Syrinx 11) The Mother Of All Replies, Part Two. by Syrinx 12) AOL Virii by Larry Odneal 13) Syrinx's take on the new FW by email_address_removed (Scott Cook) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:18:39 +0000 From: "Andrew Miller" To: email_address_removed Subject: qr, gripes, apsog Message-ID: > them, and would like to understand their newer stuff. Maybe you're > thinking - "Well go buy it and listen to it, asshole!" Ok, that's fine - > but I'd appreciate a slightly more cerebral incentive. actually, i'm thinking "if you don't like it, don't listen to it". and i also feel that if you have to think to justify why you or someone else likes something, you probably don't like it, and no matter what insight anyone else can give you, you still won't like it. do you like a piece of music and change your mind after hearing a well thought out dissenting opinion of it? i hope not. now for my gripe... why the hell do so many of you feel the need to quote XXXX many lines of a message when your reply is only X lines long? see, i've already read the last jam that came through. i don't need to see half of it commented out in the next jam because people feel the need to quote half the jam. APSOG- bought it. listened to it. relistened to it 5 times. same story as the other FW material i've heard- don't like it. they're great musicians and all, but i just wasn't moved by that album nor any of the other ones i've heard. so, if anyone is still looking for a copy, i've got one to sell. $10 (s/h included if you're in the US). mail me if you're interested. enough rambling. -Andrew Andrew Miller - keyboardist/vocalist - subtlerage http://www.subtlerage.com - email_address_removed "first impressions" released. .wav files available ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 23:53:03 -0400 From: Brian Wherry To: The Jam Subject: Lie CD Trade Message-ID: I want to trade with someone something for a Lie single. In return I can offer you unlimited sexual intercourse with my sister who's a blonde Victoria's Secret model when she isn't busy doing brain surgery. Please respond to me via private email. Brian email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:47:32 -0500 (CDT) From: evan andrew nelson To: email_address_removed Subject: APSoG (again) Message-ID: Picked up the last copy of APSoG from the local Best Buy, and even on the first listen I know this is really going to grow on me. I think Part XII is reminiscent of Space Dye Vest, and it's also similar to some tracked music (.mod, .s3m) that I've heard. I can see why some people are a little turned off by it, but I can't agree with them =) I think it's a great disc, surreal at times, in-your-face at other times. Kind of like a 60 minute mood swing.. -------- Evan A. Nelson email_address_removed email_address_removed UIN:268604 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 23:52:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard A. Rivera" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2501 Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Apr 1997 email_address_removed wrote: > Personally, I go through phases. One month > it's all DT and progressive edged bands, and the next month, I won't touch > them - instead listening to the Wildhearts and Honeycrack. If anyone has > seen my bootlist, it contains about 40 Dream Theater items, but 90% of the > remaining 500 items are 80's metal (Kix, Vain, Spread Eagle). Dream > Theater can surely move me, but there are times when I need 'Nothin But a > Good Time' to pull my spirits up. I couldn't have said it any better myself. Oh, I just got the Wildhearts album "Earth Vs. The Wildhearts." Very cool stuff. Don't quote me on this, but they remind me a punk version of Galactic Cowboys. In any case, they are very cool. Richie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:59:22 -0500 From: Chris Ptacek To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2502 Message-ID: Ever get the feeling that some people just say things to cause arguments? >From: Syrinx >Subject: a not-so-pleasant shade of blahness. > ...it's the most boring cd i've ever yerad in my life. Okay... > yes, i do appreciate fates's efort to do such a non-mainstreem >thing like this,m and i applaud them. yes, i do think mark zonder's >drums kick alot of ass. > that's all i like about it. Okay... > the music...well, it's like a death march. it's like lard's >"time to melt," which is basically a 34 minute track of 5 chords repeated >over and over again. so fates can repeat a musical theme. great. yes >does it to, and that's why they haven't domne anything original since >1980. this concept album could have (and should have, imo) been shortened >to 10 minutes. it's lik an ongoing funeral. Original as compared to what? Fates has CONSISTENTLY created new and ORIGINAL music since their inception. You obviously have some bias against the band, when you make a statement like that. This bias must be what has deafened your ears to the fact that there are just assloads of changes in the chords, melodies and musical concepts presented. It's perfectly okay to dislike the new album. Subtlerage did it before you did. But saying that there's no change, and the album is repetitious is just plain incorrect. As well, saying that the band is unoriginal (since 1980) is a falsehood. There is no band around that sounds just like Fates. And no two Fates albums, since Ray Alder joined the band, have been alike. This album is a single, themed composition. Would you prefer they don't repeat any themes? That would fail to accomplish their goal. > the vocals. i assume ray adler can't just sing, 'cause he fails >to do so. Okay... but do understand that he's generally regarded as one of the best metal vocalists around. Some would make your very claim against Geddy Lee. If I said "Geddy Lee fails utterly as a vocalist" you and many others would probably bitch. You can say this without being a dick. > of course, this is totally my opinion. if any of you want this >(and can't find it) i'll be more than happy to sell my cd (which i've >only played once) for 6 bucks. Someone PLEASE take this album off his hands! Hell, I may buy a second copy! >From: Syrinx >Subject: Re: alarm clock, what alarm clock?????? > you know why that alarm clock is there? > TO WAKE EVERYONE UP FROM FALLING ASLEEP. See my question in the beginning of this post. You've already stated your case that you dislike the album, and are jaded against the band (for the past 17 years, by your accounting). We get that point. Do you have something else to offer? Everyone: Buy this album and make up your own minds! APSoG is a KILLER effin' album! Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC "Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 00:04:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2503 Message-ID: Mike Ostrich (Syrinx) said.... > after hearing some ungoddly amount of reviews telling all of is > how bitchin' the new fates warning album is, i decided to find out for > myself. i bought the album, and... > > ...it's the most boring cd i've ever yerad in my life. WHAT!!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?! > the vocals. i assume ray adler can't just sing, 'cause he fails > to do so. he tries to make each word say something in it's own right. > maybe some people like that, but i don't...espically because i'm a > singer. you wanna sing? then sing. woah, there, partner. You're crucifying the man for trying to make the words say something? First of all, Ray didn't make the words say something; Jim did that already. These lyrics RULE, and they deserve the care Ray took in making them come across. Second, how can you call yourself a singer if you don't like when the words say something? Speaking as a singer, I know that my role is FIRST to interpret the text accurately and appropriately, and SECOND to deliver a technically good vocal performance . singers should not be afraid that the words they are singing will overshadow their own performance. > any comments that have some insightfullness are always welcome Oh, what could I possibly add to this?: > / \ > |\_/| > |---| > | | > | | > _ |=-=| _ > _ / \| |/ \ > / \| | | ||\ > | | | | | \> > | | | | | \ > | - - - - |) ) > | / > \ / > \ / > \ / > \ / > | | > | | > | | > | | > > Insightful enough for ya? Steve Z ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 00:13:03 -0400 From: Brian Wherry To: The Jam Subject: Re: Lie CD Trade Message-ID: Whoa, that was quick! Thanks to all the people that wanna wax my sister. If you didn't get an email from me, then you weren't the lucky one. Sorry. :) Brian ps- Hi Graham Boyle. Sorry you weren't the lucky one. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 00:09:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Irene Raceu To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: My last post.. Message-ID: Hello again, I just posted on the last jam, and I see that it showed up twice... I KNOW I didn't send it twice, so not sure what happened. Just want to appologise for that wasted bandwith... Irene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 00:44:26 -0400 From: Phil Carter To: email_address_removed Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids... Tim Adams remarked: >I see everyone is driving around for hours looking for APSOG.......did ya'll >ever hear of a phone??? :>) I found it in 5 minutes with the ole' rotary. Yes, I have heard of a phone. Called the local Best Buy, put on hold for fifteen minutes, then disconnected. Called back, got a busy signal. Lines at both of the local Blockbuster Musics were likewise busy. The local Sam Goody has apparently changed its number, since I dialed the one in the phone book and still got a wrong number. And Camelot's lone worker claimed not to know anything about the new FW. Kris Long, in full voice: >topic #2: i was home this weekend for spring break, and was brousing >through my dad's cd's, somehow he had a Bad English cd. anyway, i >was reading the liner notes and >their drummer was Dean Castronovo!!! Ozzy's freakin' drummer! that's >pretty funny. that's a funny looking resume: Bad English, Ozzy Osbourne. Let's not forget also Cacophony and tons of solo guitarists' albums (Tony MacAlpine comes immediately to mind). Deen's like Frankie Banali: Mr. Session Drummer. Two things about Fates Warning you folk might find interesting: 1) I was one of the people that bitched about there being only two copies of the new disc in the whole town (apparently). I was walking down the sidewalk after shooting some pool today when the voice of Ray Alder drifted to me from a car that had just pulled up alongside. "Let nothing bleed into nothing..." I turned to look at the guy, who regarded my wide-eyed stare with some interest, and blurted, "Aha! YOU got the other copy!" He must've known what I was talking about because he smirked, turned it down some, and answered, "Yeah, got the last one at Best Buy" (which is where I'd gotten mine). Now I know for a *fact* there aren't any left in town. :) 2) Okay, posts from Debbie Seeger (among others) have answered the question I was going to ask about whether Joe and Frank were still in the band or not. The new question, then: Will Vera be joining the band full-time, and will Matheos be taking on the guitar duties full-time, or will he acquire a new partner in crime? And why'd Frank leave, anyway? 10 years with the band, sheesh. Just to break the monotony of Fates posts, here's a quick recommendation: Run, don't walk, to the nearest store that sells prog and pick up Magellan's "Impending Ascension." If all of Magna Carta's stuff is as good as this disc and Lemur Voice's "Insights," then I'll definitely be allocating more budget for MC discs.... Cheers, Phil ========================================================= Phil Carter -- email_address_removed http://www.negia.net/~carter "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach "Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired, gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 00:43:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx To: Chris Ptacek Subject: The mother of all replies. Message-ID: > Ever get the feeling that some people just say things to cause > arguments? > > >From: Syrinx > >Subject: a not-so-pleasant shade of blahness. gee, i'm sorry. when i heard 12983712963 comments about how this album was the greatest thing since sliced bread, i heard no complaints. god forbid someone can dissagree with you. > > the music...well, it's like a death march. it's like lard's > >"time to melt," which is basically a 34 minute track of 5 chords repeated > >over and over again. so fates can repeat a musical theme. great. yes > >does it to, and that's why they haven't domne anything original since > >1980. this concept album could have (and should have, imo) been shortened > >to 10 minutes. it's lik an ongoing funeral. > Original as compared to what? Fates has CONSISTENTLY created new > and ORIGINAL music since their inception. You obviously have some bias > against the band, when you make a statement like that. This bias must be > what has deafened your ears to the fact that there are just assloads of > changes in the chords, melodies and musical concepts presented. wow. i didn't know i had a bias. so, let's recap. 1: if you don't like something that Chris likes, it's cause you have a bias and therefore can't make a decision for youself. 2: If you don't like something Chris likes, then one is clearly not able to disect songs as well as he can. > This album is a single, themed composition. Would you prefer they > don't repeat any themes? That would fail to accomplish their goal. agreed. > > the vocals. i assume ray adler can't just sing, 'cause he fails > >to do so. > Okay... but do understand that he's generally regarded as one of the > best metal vocalists around. Some would make your very claim against Geddy > Lee. If I said "Geddy Lee fails utterly as a vocalist" you and many others > would probably bitch. You can say this without being a dick. oh, im sorry. did i say more than that and explain my reasons? i'm sure i did. 3: If you don't like a vocalist that Chris likes, he will say that such vocalist is "..generally regarded as one of the best metal vocalists around." really? i'd like to know who "general regards him." btw, i did like the band doing closer to the heart, but since i (according to chris) have a bias, that means nothing. > > > of course, this is totally my opinion. if any of you want this > >(and can't find it) i'll be more than happy to sell my cd (which i've > >only played once) for 6 bucks. > Someone PLEASE take this album off his hands! Hell, I may buy a > second copy! the album has already been sold. > > > you know why that alarm clock is there? > > TO WAKE EVERYONE UP FROM FALLING ASLEEP. > See my question in the beginning of this post. You've already > stated your case that you dislike the album, and are jaded against the band > (for the past 17 years, by your accounting). We get that point. Do you > have something else to offer? now, what't this? is this an unwarranted insult? i thin it is! i'd love to know where this came from. i think it's funny that if 100 people post about how great the new album is, that's fine. 1 person gives his opinion about their dislike of the album..and this what he gets. let's hear it for free speech, ladies and gentleman! > > Everyone: Buy this album and make up your own minds! APSoG is a KILLER > effin' album! hmmm. this is cute. chris wants everyone to make up their own minds, yet follows it with a his opinion of the album. i assume he really doesn't want people to make their minds. it's easier they like it or they are clearly "biased" against this band. i think it's funny that i had hardly ever heard anything by fates warning, then told that i'm "biased" in some way. i'm still wondering how i got to be biased. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "..666 is no longer alone. he's getting out the marrow in your backbone, and the seven trumpets blowing sweet rock and roll gonna blow right down inside your soul. pythagoras with the looking-glass, reflect the full moon. in blood, he's writing the lyrics to a brand new tune.." * * * * * * * * * * mike ostrich e-mail: email_address_removed / email_address_removed erotomania: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/ offical lemur voice homepage: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm (c) 1997 Happy Fun Ball, Inc. All Rights Reserved. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 00:46:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx To: Steve Zebrowski Subject: The Mother Of All Replies, Part Two. Message-ID: > > after hearing some ungoddly amount of reviews telling all of is > > how bitchin' the new fates warning album is, i decided to find out for > > myself. i bought the album, and... > > > > ...it's the most boring cd i've ever yerad in my life. > > WHAT!!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?! oh, i'm sorry. did i stutter? > > the vocals. i assume ray adler can't just sing, 'cause he fails > > to do so. he tries to make each word say something in it's own right. > > maybe some people like that, but i don't...espically because i'm a > > singer. you wanna sing? then sing. > > woah, there, partner. You're crucifying the man for trying to make the > words say something? First of all, Ray didn't make the words say > something; Jim did that already. These lyrics RULE, and they deserve the > care Ray took in making them come across. Second, how can you call > yourself a singer if you don't like when the words say something? > Speaking as a singer, I know that my role is FIRST to interpret the text > accurately and appropriately, and SECOND to deliver a technically good > vocal performance . singers should not be > afraid that the words they are singing will overshadow their own > performance. as i said in the paragraph, "...maybe some people like that, but i don't." i _am_ allowed to not like something. > > any comments that have some insightfullness are always welcome > > Oh, what could I possibly add to this?: how about something of actuall thoughtfull merit, perhaps? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "..666 is no longer alone. he's getting out the marrow in your backbone, and the seven trumpets blowing sweet rock and roll gonna blow right down inside your soul. pythagoras with the looking-glass, reflect the full moon. in blood, he's writing the lyrics to a brand new tune.." * * * * * * * * * * mike ostrich e-mail: email_address_removed / email_address_removed erotomania: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/ offical lemur voice homepage: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm (c) 1997 Happy Fun Ball, Inc. All Rights Reserved. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:22:31 -0400 From: Larry Odneal To: email_address_removed Subject: AOL Virii Message-ID:  Somethin' is screwy here: Scott (MamalookIpoopoodagainorwhatever) forwarded this: "THERE IS A NEW AOL SCAM."It is essential that this problem be reconciled as soon as possible. A few hours ago, I opened an E-mail that had the subject heading of aol4free.com Within seconds of opening it, a window appeared and began to display my files that were being deleted. I immediately shut down my computer, but it was too late. This virus wiped me out. It ate the Anti-Virus Software that comes with the Windows '95 Program along with F-Prot AVS. Neither was able to detect it. Please be careful and send this to as many people as possible, so maybe this new virus can be eliminated." ************************** 2 things about this supposed message: 1. I've been using Win95 for over 3 years (beta and release) and there is NO such thing as any "Anti-Virus Software that comes with the Windows '95 Program" as stated in this message. And I've never heard of "F-Prot AVS" - which doesn't mean it isn't real, of course. Still, this message seems phony; he says it "ate" the two anti-virus programs, but says nothing about his personal data. What would YOU be concerned about? 2. I have read in the PC magazines that this virus actually DOES exist - and my thought is that if it's downloaded as a .com file and then extracted (I don't use AOHell and therefore don't know if this is possible), anyway, it IS possible for a virus to attack your system if you download an E-mail _attachment_ and subsequently RUN the com file! And with most Windows E-mail programs it is extremely easy to do so without intending to do so. 3. (Yeah, I know I said "2 things" before, BUT . . . ) - if you use AOL, maybe you deserve to get a virus! Sorry, you AOHellions, I didn't really MEAN that - I'm sure you have your reasons for using the slowest, cheesiest, most-hacked excuse for an online service ever. And I mean that in a good way . . . The Ytselurker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:53:29 EDT From: email_address_removed (Scott Cook) To: email_address_removed Subject: Syrinx's take on the new FW Message-ID: So Mike doesn't like the new FW; so fucking what! He's entitled to his opinion. Personally I've gotten really tired of what seems like everyone just saying they like it just to show how hip they are. If you like the disc fine, but you don't need to diss someone for having a dissenting opinion. And Steve, you're attempt at that middle finger was pretty pathetic. You need to take lessons from the Notorious B.I.G.S.W.I.F.T.Y. Scott ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2504 **************************