YTSEJAM Digest 2453 Today's Topics: 1) Brazilian Show by "Bruno Stort" 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2452 by email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2.452 * 10^3 by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." 4) About the JP songs... by email_address_removed (Shane Liebling) 5) Re: About the JP songs... by The Digital Man 6) Soundgarden break-up by me128 student 7) ack mode? by Pat Sullivan 8) Derek's autog./'ryche by satu.reunanen@sci.fi (Satu Reunanen) 9) Queensryche by email_address_removed (J. E. James) 10) Rudess Morgenstein by Michael Pomerleau 11) Necronomicon and MOR by Pat Griffin 12) Dream Theater in Milan by email_address_removed.it 13) No Doubt by Jason L Luscher 14) Re: No Doubt by Carlos Alfaro 15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2451 by Michael Lafser 16) Re: ack mode? by email_address_removed (Scott Cook) 17) Re: No Doubt by email_address_removed (Scott Cook) 18) Re: No Doubt by 2112 19) Re: DT show last night in munich!! by email_address_removed.de (Jason T. Breitweg) 20) Re: some stuff, incl. DTC (yeah) by email_address_removed.de (Jason T. Breitweg) 21) no doubt by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 01:24:59 -0300 From: "Bruno Stort" To: Subject: Brazilian Show Message-ID: <199704130426.BAA21736@davinci> As everybody said, I know that Monsters Of Rock is not the kind of show that DT likes to play and is not the kind of show that I like to see. The sound probably will be terrible. And the size of the show is far away of a REAL DT gig. But what can we do? It's a fucking dream that will come true for me... And even if they play on hell, I'll go there. I'd rather too a gig on Olympia or Palace (some closed places here in Sao Paulo), but what can we do? Maybe DT come and see the number of brazilian fans and come back again, to a real gig. Then I'll be REAL happy. and I thought that put DT with Manowar as headliner is a kind of disrespect, cuz when I've read this news, on the headlines was written: "Monsters Of Rock, with Manowar, Judas Priest, Dio, Whitesnake and others...". Oh, fuck'em! Dream Theater is much more important that anyone of this bands... Well, I expect that DT really come to Brasil, cuz I'm very anxious... Take the time... Bruno Stort email_address_removed.br ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 00:43:22 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2452 Message-ID: Hey! I'll take Carved in Stone. -Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 00:27:47 -0500 From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2.452 * 10^3 Message-ID: > So where's our setlist? Gee, we ask you to do one damn thing and you > can't even do it. I guess the words "setlist was the same as the Fix shows" don't mean anything to you, do they? To paraphrase a famous philosopher, "You're resembling a dick." > DT in Monsters of Rock? YESSSSS! :) I'm waiting so fucking much for this to > happen, (DT in Brazil) but in our Monsters of Rock usually all the bands > except the headliner or co-headliner get only 40 minutes of show... :( > I really wish that if DT really comes here (crossin' fingers for a schedule > agreement) they would do their own show too (which would sell-out quickly), > or else... anyone ever thought of how a 40-minute DT show would be? > Interesting... Heheh, I think it will be interesting to see who plays the fewest songs in 40 minutes. Between DT and Type O, that's a toss-up :) Mark Peters email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 23:01:02 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Shane Liebling) To: email_address_removed Subject: About the JP songs... Message-ID: Hey could whoever has the wav versions of the JP songs from the Mesa Boogie site post the URL for the site where the wav versions are? Thanks alot. I listened to the crappy RA versions and now I really want the good versions. -Shane ______________________________________________________________________________ I Shane Liebling I I was told there's a miracle for each I I email_address_removed I day that I try. I was told there's a I I http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi I new love that's born for each one I I CAA Tweeker & Ytsejammer I that has died... Love is the Dance of I I Member of A.M.M.O. since 1997 I Eternity."Metropolis" - Dream Theater I ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 02:29:28 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: About the JP songs... Message-ID: > Hey could whoever has the wav versions of the JP songs from the Mesa Boogie > site post the URL for the site where the wav versions are? Thanks alot. I > listened to the crappy RA versions and now I really want the good versions. You're only going to get good versions if you go to the Mesa Boogie site. They have .ra files that they themselves made. When you create an .ra file, the quality of the original recording is degraded somewhat (how much depends on what type of .ra is created). What the kind folks that "saved" the .ra files did (at least, I assume most of them did this) is: play the .ra file into a .wav recorder, and then make an .ra of that .wav. Which means two things: 1) The sound quality has been degraded twice. 2) You can now save it on your own computer. Unless someone is offering the .wav files they made (as opposed to the .ra files they made), that's what you're left with. And .wav files are typically 5 to 15 times larger than .ra's created from them. (Hence, the positive side of RealAudio.) I suggest that if you just want to hear this stuff, go to the Mesa Boogie site, and listen as it streams off. Then, if you want your own copies of these files, take one of our fellow jammers up on his or her offer. Just some friendly advice, -d P.S. I don't know what I'm looking forward to more - buying APSOG or seeing the IGOD .sig again. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 06:25:05 -0700 (PDT) From: me128 student To: email_address_removed Subject: Soundgarden break-up Message-ID: I don't know too much about this band (never bought any of their albums) but what I heard on the radio suggested that their drummer had a lot to contribute. Sometimes, I also got the impression that he was ready to "bust out," but he didn't. Anyway, I'm definitely curious as to what kind of music this guy (Matt Cameron, FYI) will get into next. He's already shown that he's a pretty slick odd-time drummer who can rip a great fill every now and then. I just wonder if there are other aspects to his drumming that he didn't bother going into with Soundgarden. Then again, who am I kidding? I wasn't exactly born to be a talent scout. I remember my opinion of Drew Bledsoe (current New Engl. starting QB, has a good shot at being a Hall of Famer) when he was a college senior: "Man, this guy SUCKS! He'll be lucky to even land a spot in the NFL draft." Younis Hilal ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 09:52:36 -0400 From: Pat Sullivan To: email_address_removed Subject: ack mode? Message-ID: Okay, I tried to switch to ack mode, but it apparently didn't work. Can somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong? I sent a message to email_address_removed, subject asdf, text SET YTSEJAM ACK. The listserv didn't bounce it back to me, but I'm still getting digests. Is that the right command? ________Pat Sullivan__________________________________ E-mail: email_address_removed WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator NP: Deliverance - "If You Will" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:43:15 +0300 (EET DST) From: satu.reunanen@sci.fi (Satu Reunanen) To: email_address_removed Subject: Derek's autog./'ryche Message-ID: This is old stuff..I wrote this a week ago.. Now do I feel stupid or what..two years ago I asked Derek's autograph on the Awake cd and actually got it ! But what I thought back then was that now that he's a member of the band, why not get his autograph on the cd ? I do have his autograph from the time when he played in Alice Cooper's band, but I had to get it on DT's cd too. And I'm proud to have Mike's autograph there too. Others were too busy to sign..rushing in for soundcheck. I got a copy of the new Q.ryche last weekend and I've only listened it through once, but I'd say it ain't bad. I think it sounds like 'ryche. Maybe they added some strange things, but I don't think it's bad. If I get stuck with the tape later on, I'll let you know.. AND I can't help but just PRAISE the dj at the club I went to see finnish progbands last weekend. He played DT twice ! I know it was a prognight, but it just amazed me 'cos I thought he'd play these old progbands. I mean like these who've been around for like 20 years or so. Well, got my feet going all jelly and head banging..somewhere you can still hear GREAT music !!!!! C-ya ! Satu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 10:06:59 -0500 (CDT) From: email_address_removed (J. E. James) To: email_address_removed Subject: Queensryche Message-ID: Hi. I was just checking out the Qryche tour dates on the SiD home page, and the day they come to my city, is on my birthday!!!!!!!!!! Also, does anybody else think that the song You on HitNF might be connected to London from RfO? London is obviously about a vampire remembering an old love. Some lines from You remind me of this: "Do I feed you?" vampires feed off of people "We've seen the sun setting in their eyes" could mean theyve watched their victims eyes as they died and here is the one that convinced me: "Not another lifetime without you" In London it is expressed that the character has had to live several lifetimes without whoever he is singing about. Please share your thoughts, Justin the High Cleric of Lickalick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 14:50:23 -0400 From: Michael Pomerleau To: "email_address_removed" Subject: Rudess Morgenstein Message-ID: I just got this information from Rod Morgenstein. They will be playing in NY/NJ along with Steve Morse. If you are local, you really should check them out. They are excellent, plus, you will get to see Steve Morse Play as well. >>>>>Hey Folks, >>>>> >>>>>The Rudess Morgenstein Project will play three shows around the NY >>>>>area opening for the Steve Morse Trio this month. Here's the info; >>>>> >>>>>April 24th -Tramps-NYC >>>>>April 25th -Club Bene -NJ >>>>>April 26th -Imac Theater- Huntington, Long Island, NY >>>>> >>>>>Hope some of you can make it. See you there! >>>>> >>>>>Musically, >>>>>Jordan and Rod Regards, Michael Pomerleau ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 14:08:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin To: ThE NuGgeTjAm Subject: Necronomicon and MOR Message-ID: To the guy asking what Necronomicon is (apart from the book of black magic), it is a pinball game developed by Sega for the Sega Saturn. It has apparently been released overseas already, but not in the US. I'm not sure when/if it will be released here, but I'm sure some of us could get ahold of it. I'm not clear on whether the title is NecronomicON or NecronomicA; I have heard both, and when John mentioned it, I couldn't tell for sure which he said. Also, when he played the songs, said "*the* two songs I did for..." not "two songs I did for...", so people's ealier claims that he was doing the entire soundtrack might be wrong.=20 On a related note, if you're looking for a good metal soundtrack, try Destruction Derby 2 for Sony Playstation. It's a great game, and it's got a soundtrack with balls and chunk. I'm not sure if the PC version has the same one or not. About MOR in Brazil from the last jam... anyone hear an echo echo cho cho o o o o o.... h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality=B2 Design | | email_address_removed email_address_removed | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 97 21:42:15 ITA From: email_address_removed.it To: email_address_removed Subject: Dream Theater in Milan Message-ID: Yesterday I went to the DT concert in Milan. It was a great show, and, as it was the first time I saw DT live, I got impressed by their harmony on the stage. They played classics like "Metropolis" and "Ytsejam" together with new songs. Among the new ones I liked very much "Peruvian Skies" and "Lines In The Sand". If this was the preamble, the new album will be a masterpiece. ****************************************** * Edoardo Chiozzi * * "The Metallian" * * E-mail: email_address_removed.it * ****************************************** * Now listening to : * * Gamma Ray - Land Of The Free * ****************************************** --- WinMMMR v1.70reg * had fingers in my eyes had needles in my veins a knife right through my heart i am a victory (Megadeth) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 15:58:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Jason L Luscher To: email_address_removed Subject: No Doubt Message-ID: I've seen quite a few jams now where people are complaining about music today, which is fine. I have my own set of complaints as well. People also cite specific bands that they don't like, such as Nirvana, Bush, Grenn Day, etc.... One thing that really upsets me is that people have been grouping No Doubt with bands such as these that have to musical skill. I would like to know how many jammers who complain about No Doubt have actually heard their album. I was skeptical at first, but a friend of mine played it for me and I was actually impressed. They demonstrate many impressive skills and experiment in a great many styles of music (which I've always found respectable). They are not prog and they're not very heavy, but they are talented. You don't have to like them, but don't judge them so hastily. Don't mistake commercial success for lack of talent. - Jason -I may have just written a suicide note there, we'll see... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 16:16:14 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: No Doubt Message-ID: Jason L Luscher wrote: They demonstrate > many impressive skills and experiment in a great many styles of music > (which I've always found respectable). They are not prog and they're not > very heavy, but they are talented. You don't have to like them, but > don't judge them so hastily. Don't mistake commercial success for lack > of talent. - Jason > very true.. ill have to agree with you, ND,is the only band thats popular right now that i listen to,and actually have their 2 cd's,and theyre at least talented,even if their music is not progressive or complicated,its certainly not your run of the mill alternative,and even if its fun to listen to,it doesnt mean its not musically good.I dont know, I like em.. "At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 15:40:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Lafser To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2451 Message-ID: this is a reply to the DT double cd there will not be a double cd i saw JP and DS at a clinic about two weeks ago they said they do have 2 and 1/2 hours of music for it but will only be one cd as of right now they played some new stuff off it and it fucking rocked! all i remembered off the new one they played was "Burning my soul" and "lines in the sand" they are cool so everyone go buy the new cd when it comes out you will not regret it! christoph ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:50:27 EDT From: email_address_removed (Scott Cook) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: ack mode? Message-ID: You need to use your password also; at least that's what I did. ******************************************************************************************* Why do men pay more than women for car insurance? Because women don't get blowjobs while they're driving. ******************************************************************************************* On Sun, 13 Apr 1997 06:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Pat Sullivan writes: >Okay, I tried to switch to ack mode, but it apparently didn't work. >Can somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong? I sent a message to >email_address_removed, subject asdf, text SET YTSEJAM ACK. The >listserv didn't bounce it back to me, but I'm still getting digests. Is that >the right command? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:50:27 EDT From: email_address_removed (Scott Cook) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: No Doubt Message-ID: >very true.. ill have to agree with you, ND,is the only band thats >popular right now that i listen to,and actually have their 2 cd's,and >theyre at least talented,even if their music is not progressive or >complicated,its certainly not your run of the mill alternative,and >even if its fun to listen to,it doesnt mean its not musically good.I dont >know, I like em.. No Doubt has *three* cds. No Doubt, Tragic Kingdom, and The Beacon Street Collection. I think *all* of theri albums are great, but then again I like SKA quite a bit going back to when I saw Madness in 1983. Although TK is more mainstrream than their other efforts it still has some great grooves on it. It's so weird that people are talking about them because I'm going to go see them Tuesday at Arco Arena (Sacramento). I'm also going to the Shoreline show on 5/30. Also, if you like SKA then check out the Mighty Mighty Bosstones too. They opened Lolapalooser in 1995 and were the best act of the whole show. SKAtt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:55:41 -0500 (EST) From: 2112 To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: No Doubt Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Apr 1997, Jason L Luscher wrote: > Grenn Day, etc.... One thing that really upsets me is that people have > been grouping No Doubt with bands such as these that have to musical > skill. I would like to know how many jammers who complain about No Doubt > have actually heard their album. I was skeptical at first, but a friend I don't know. I was turned off by their first single that I heard on the radio. It just sounded stupid. And I hate bands that appear stupid or do it on purpose (ie. Presidents of the US). The only thing I like about this band is their classical guitar solo part in "don't speak" (is that the name of the song?). Brandon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 20:02:09 GMT From: email_address_removed.de (Jason T. Breitweg) Subject: Re: DT show last night in munich!! Message-ID: Hi all, Andreas> I met a view of the guys from the mailing list, but Andreas> didn't see Jason Breitweg or Thomas Pfaller (were you Andreas> there?). Damn right I was there. On the barrier center stage! My review should be coming soon. Maybe you didn't see me but did you see that cool banner James held up for a second or two? I wonder who made that? *evil grin* More stuff to come. Jason -- Jason Breitweg --> email_address_removed.de, email_address_removed http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg, http://lobelia.physics.wisc.edu/jbreitwe "The Gods Made Heavy Metal And It's Never Gonna Die!" - MANOWAR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 20:04:15 GMT From: email_address_removed.de (Jason T. Breitweg) Subject: Re: some stuff, incl. DTC (yeah) Message-ID: Hi all, Steffen> BTW, I did NOT hear James saying something about a double Steffen> album. Actually we talked with Derek in Nuernberg and he Steffen> said something about a single album of 60 minutes Steffen> followed by an EP with Metropolis pt. 2 and live Steffen> tracks. Well, we'll see. Yeah I didn't hear anything about a double CD either. Maybe you and I are not hearing things right Steffen *shrug*. Steffen> Any news about the show in Milan? Mike dislocated a Steffen> finger during Metropolis in Munich! I don't know how he Steffen> managed to do this! And this maniac continues playing Steffen> after this incident as if nothing had happened. I hope he Steffen> didn't hurt it too much. He looked like he was in massive pain. More about it in my review *grin*. See you all in Bonn next week. Jason -- Jason Breitweg --> email_address_removed.de, email_address_removed http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg, http://lobelia.physics.wisc.edu/jbreitwe "The Gods Made Heavy Metal And It's Never Gonna Die!" - MANOWAR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:10:57 -0500 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds Subject: no doubt Message-ID: spiffy thread, i think i'll post on it :) >and actually have their 2 cd's,and >>theyre at least talented,even if their music is not progressive or >>complicated, this is not a flame to this guy in particular, because i've seen lots of other people do it too: why do some of you guys feel if something isnt "progressive" or "talented" you have to back up some reason for why its good and apologize for liking it? if its good, fuck it, its good! music doesnt revolve around progressive or fast fingers, saying you wont watch anything on mtv is just as ignorant as the dorks who say they wont watch anything not on mtv. john petrucci loves rage against the machine, mike portnoy digs public enemy, james labrie digs napalm death... the guys in dt dont let certain factors of music lacking in the presence of the bands they listen to affect them, remember, kids: neither do you! :) >I don't know. I was turned off by their first single that I heard on the >radio. It just sounded stupid. And I hate bands that appear stupid or do >it on purpose (ie. Presidents of the US). i love these guys (pres of the us, that is). it depends to me, if they're joking around on a stupid riff, i think its a riot. if they come up with a really great melody and turn it into a joke song, it pisses me off :) dont waste good music! be dorks over crap songs! > The only thing I like about >this band is their classical guitar solo part in "don't speak" (is that >the name of the song?). listen to some of their other songs you wont find on the radio, i'm sure you'll find a few other moments of spark in them. ~Rip ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2453 **************************