YTSEJAM Digest 2449 Today's Topics: 1) Re: A pleasant shade of gray by Anton Max 2) Dokken by Dan 3) another Soundgarden thing & lots of clearing up to do by "Raivo Hool" 4) SoundGarden breaking up by Bobo 5) Rockin' with Dokken! by email_address_removed (Mark Lampert) 6) Re: "Getting" Fates by "Robin L. Campbell" 7) Please pay attention... by Andrew Forcier 8) Dokken by "Brian Haydend" 9) CDs to buy by Paul Goracke 10) RDG Bash by Adam Barnhart 11) Eric Johnson ASL help, PLEASE! by "Eugene E. Szucs" 12) fates emotions by Chris Oates 13) Eric Johnson in Baltimore by Pat Daugherty 14) Queensryche- Empire by Soul Madness 15) FAQ news by The Digital Man 16) Pix and an unpleasant shade of Jesus by Chris Ptacek 17) WAYN by Corey Bell ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:42:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Anton Max To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: A pleasant shade of gray Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Dr. Mosh wrote: > Noodling aimlessly... I guess he is in Point of View, Eye to Eye?? So, you > expect him to sound like every other progmetal singer I assume... that's what > makes him unique, his singing style... mayhaps you should take another > listen young one... for the force is not with you yet... > > But alas, it is futile to banter with one who does not envision that which > is the true Fates... > I wouldn't call it totally futile. Clark seems a decent fellow. Not as effective as locking one up in a dark room and making him listen to Ivory Gate at maximum volume a few dozen times, though :) -maximilian Anton Max MadMax+@cmu.edu http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:05:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan To: email_address_removed Subject: Dokken Message-ID: Yeah there are some Dokken fans here...I think the new album is gonna be awesome because George Lynch will actually have some input on the making of the tracks. Let me know what ya think..in private mail please!! Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:46:20 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" To: email_address_removed Subject: another Soundgarden thing & lots of clearing up to do Message-ID: > grunge/alternapop. They did songs from the likes of "Mailman" and > "Limo Wreck" - atmospheric, edgy rockers - to the softer things such *snip* > riddance." Here's hoping that Cornell and Thayil can refresh their > horizons (the other two guys can't write music worth shit). How wrong you are. Who wrote "Mailman"? Matt Cameron. Who wrote "Rhinosaur"? Matt Cameron. Who wrote "Fresh Tendrils"? Again, the word Cameron comes to mind. (He did the lyrics too). "Applebite"? Cameron. "Limo Wreck"? Cameron and Thayil. Now, let's see. "Head Down". Ben Shepherd. "Half". The same guy. Most of "Down On The Upside"? Shepherd. Probably my all time favorite Soundgarden song "Zero Chance", classic like "Dusty", an extremely well written song like "Switch Opens".. "An Unkind"... Neo-punk "Ty Cobb" with a mandola and a mandolin. Damn, I'm not even *getting* into pre-Superunknown era. Cameron's masterpieces like "Somewhere" or Shepherd's "Slaves & Bulldozers"... That was the real thing. I haven't memorized all those, though. I could go on, you see. :-) Too bad Thayil wrote the least, though. I've always enjoyed "Room A Thousand Years Wide" and "Never The Machine Forever" (9/8 sounds awesome). To the guy who said Cornell sings outta key. (Probably Vince.) Listen again. Cornell has probably one of the most powerful rock voices out there. He's come a really long way since "Louder Than Love". I'm glad they broke up, though. They couldn't have added anything to "Down On The Upside". To me, it was a masterpiece, like R.E.M.'s "Automatic For The People". Really had to get it out, I'm not really in the mood for flaming anybody. :-) Do not click here to continue. Raitz Be reasonable -- demand the impossible! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:17:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Bobo To: email_address_removed Subject: SoundGarden breaking up Message-ID: I personally like Soundgarden, and if you don't, then that's your opinion. I like music because *I* like it, and I wouldn't praise the separation of another band because I dislike them. I'm not some egotistical bastard that thinks only good music is progressive. I like DT, Queensryche, and the Rush songs from Counterparts, but that's all I've heard that I like. I like metal, alternative, and progressive metal. If you don't like a band, don't piss people off by making it a major positive moment for you. If you don't like them, you shouldn't have any reaction to it, unless you are forced to listen to it. I'm proud of what I like to listen to, and don't care if your almighty attitudes think of me as inferior because SoundGarden isn't as complex as you would like. Give it a try if you haven't, because you might surprise yourself. I didn't originally like the rest of I&W excluding Pull Me Under, but I realized I liked it after listening more. Just don't go praising the demise of something that you don't like. I don't care if you flame me. ___ ___ (0 0)----------------------------------------------------------------(0 0) ||| Preston Scheuneman email: email_address_removed ||| ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:39:07 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Mark Lampert) To: Subject: Rockin' with Dokken! Message-ID: Ahoy, >Let's try not to let this get out of hand. It wont be long until we are >all talking about the new Fates cd. I also think there is a new Dokken cd >coming out in April as well. I know there are some Dokken fans here... You know I comlpetely forgot about Dokken for a while there... forgive me!!! I thoroughly enjoyed their latest, "Dysfunctional", to great extent... I'll be looking forward to their next! I also enjoy George Lynch's soloing style... there was one solo in Dysfunctional that I love, I think its track 6 - Shadows of Light... the one that sounds like a bunch of gospel singers are humming in the beginning... yeah, I know damn well it's a bunch of gospel singers... but nevertheless.... that solo rocks!! He seems to be quite fond of artificial harmonics in the majority of his solos... I like that alot when it's used creatively, like George does.... plus Don Dokken looks a bit like Bruce Dickinson, so there's another positive aspect to Dokken... as if there weren't enough!! · • Colonel Mustard • · ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:59:18 -0500 From: "Robin L. Campbell" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: "Getting" Fates Message-ID: Hi Folks, just to add to the Fates Warning thread: I have been listening to them for a long time, and I agree that the more recent releases with Ray Alder are less accessible to most listeners. But I also do not agree that his vocal style lacks coherency or melody. His vocals do tend to go everywhere, and at first it feels kind of awkward. But, especially after listening to the discs countless times, they seem to completely flow with the music and 'click' as someone previously said. This band definitely does take quite a bit of getting used to in that respect, but I must say that now their music is some of the most enthralling of any band. I also wish everyone could get as much out of it as I do, but I don't think they will ever gain as much popularity as DT or others because most people don't seem to ever find the 'groove' or are even willing to look for it. All of us Fates nuts know what the masses are missing out on, but hey, I'm gonna remain content as long as they keep making the music for me. And from what I hear, APSoG is going to be right up our alley once again. And I must respect them for making the 55 minute epic on the new album that they wanted to do, without worrying about radio accessability. Who really wants to listen to hours of garbage music just to wait for something cool like Fates anyway? Thats what tape decks and CD players are for right? Geez, look at that long stinkin ramblathon. Sorry to waste space, just wanted to get my $2.99 in. see y'all, Notorious R.O.B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:08:55 -0700 From: Andrew Forcier To: email_address_removed Subject: Please pay attention... Message-ID: Hello all... Quoth the list manager in the sign-up letter: >Topics that are considered non-related include religion, politics, >abortion, etc. If a non-related thread lasts for too long, >the list managers may issue a warning, followed by suspension >or expulsion from the list. No more need be said on this matter. And Mr. Merlo said: > I wouldn't mind if it was still winter, but this teasing stuff is >driving me nutz. :) The other night, I'm up at 3:00am to catch a Dennis Miller show on Comedy Central (pointless since they bleep every other word, but not dick; they never bleeped dick...), when my drunk housemate stumbles in and says look outside. It was snowing. The high temperature for that day was 72 degrees. I know exactly what you mean D-Man. But at least you have Burlington. We have *gag* Newark... On the QR tour thing, I'm actually curious as to whther HitNF haters will be going. There are a lot of songs on that album, and the band played all of PL last time. Do you guys fear a repeat of the new album exposure? I like it so I'm not too worried. Just sitting back and praying Geoff doesn't say "Hey, ya know Get a Life would come across great live..." New INXS album comes out Tuesday. Any jammers want reviews? :) Didn't think so... I'm glad to see the "Gather Hebrews..." guy has a sense of humor. I'm even happier to see he's thoroughly read the FAQ. You are now a veteran, IMHO. Oh, wait. You have to start a flame war first... :) jazzmin said: >Okay, so I call up my "local" college station and request some DT. So I >say, hey if I bring it will you play it? They say SURE! NOTE: >aforementioned station is TWO HOURS AWAY. And I thought Jersey was boring... Now I know not to move to Oklahoma. :) Here's a helpful hint: if you have this much time on your hands, look for the Smoking Head of Bob on the internet. It's a piss, IMO. I'm bored at work, so I'll probably send something again later. Be warned! Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 97 13:35:53 -0500 From: "Brian Haydend" To: email_address_removed Subject: Dokken Message-ID: > Let's try not to let this get out of hand. It wont be long until we are > all talking about the new Fates cd. I also think there is a new Dokken cd > > coming out in April as well. I know there are some Dokken fans here... I've been hearing a new Dokken song on the radio, "I Feel." Pretty good song, but it's very comparable to the whole Queensryche switch, which definitely doesn't need any rehashing (by the way, I like "Sign of the Times," which is the only one I've heard). It was written by current members of Deep Purple, by the way, so it's probably not much of an indication of how the rest of the album will sound, song-wise. They definitely took the music and production to a more basic level (not to say they were ever complicated, but you know what I mean). -Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:47:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Goracke To: email_address_removed Subject: CDs to buy Message-ID: Thought I'd quickly plug a few cds I've been listening to recently. Not really directly related to DT, but all have excellent musicianship. Niacin ------ If you haven't gotten this album yet, do so now. Not heavy in the common usage of the term, but great grooves. All instrumental (bass, drums, and B3) and jazzy/bluesy. Mmmm... "Sometimes God Hides" --------------------- If you've been wondering what the California Guitar Trio, or Tony Levin, Trey Gunn, King Crimson, Gitbox, Los Gauchos Alemanes and other Discipline artists sound like, go get the sampler "Sometimes God Hides: The Young Persons' Guide To Discipline" (the record label, not the method of preventing self-abuse). 78 minutes, 23 songs, all for the whopping price of $5.99--can't beat that. Tuatara, "Breaking the Ethers" ------------------------------ Tablas, bullroarers, marimba, saxaphones, dulcimers, upright bass and tons more. Excellent "worldbeat" ambient/acid jazz-type stuff w/ subtle, infectious grooves. The band consists of Barrett Martin (Screaming Trees drummer), Skerik (sax for Sadhappy and Critters Buggin--two more bands you should run out and buy), Peter Buck (REM), and Justin Harwood (sadly, I'm not aware of his other works--sorry). Don't let anyone call it "Peter Buck's side project"--it's Martin's creation. pg ----------------------------+---------------------------------- Paul Goracke | "To do is to be" - Aristotle email_address_removed | "To be is to do" - Plato | "Do be do be do" - Sinatra ----------------------------+---------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:51:17 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart To: email_address_removed Subject: RDG Bash Message-ID: Train of thought: Well, I'm clearly in the minority here, but I'm going to miss Soundgarden quite a lot. I'd offer that "Slaves and Bulldozers" is the best song that the whole Alternative movement has produced (though I can dredge up a couple other candidates). And I'm not one of those people who's casually tossing out that whole musical movement in one fell swoop....I'm talking about a great song here. And they had a broader impact...before there WAS a word "grunge" being bandied about as a descriptor of music, Soundgarden was in there, creating legitimately heavy and aggressive music. I'm not sure they're all that progressive...I know they sure as hell wouldn't have identified themselves as such. But they're really the interesection of the MC5 and King Crimson. They certainly wrote in odd times, used interesting chord progressions, and had a high level of musicianship (Matt Cameron, in particular). (Changing gears) I still don't understand all this griping about Ray Alder, either. I don't know if he's consistent in a live setting (I've only seen Fates Warning once), but, awesome as James is, I was more impressed with Alder live. He just had a tremendous amount of power to go with his range. And I actually LIKE the melodies he puts together, especially on the last coupla records which are, of course, more commercial than previous efforts. But I've said all this before.... Train crashes... Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. Rush: Hold Your Fire 2. Soundgarden: Badmotorfinger 3. Go Pound Salt: Go Pound Salt 4. Yellowjackets: Dreamland 5. Gone: The Criminal Mind Adam D. Barnhart email_address_removed email_address_removed http://www.cfmc.com/adamb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:23:24 +0000 From: "Eugene E. Szucs" To: email_address_removed Subject: Eric Johnson ASL help, PLEASE! Message-ID: Hey, did any of you happen to take EJ's performance on Austin City Limits when he appeared in the last two weeks? My tape time's screwed up so I missed it, and I REALLY want/need a copy! Please let me know if you can help me out, I'd really appreciate it, -gene "In observation, I don't know where this is headed. But the only one of us with the coordinates for this destination is hardware is you. Go on whatever vision quest you require, stand at the rim of a volcano, stand alone and do your dance. Just find this beast before he takes another bite!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:19:21 -0700 From: Chris Oates To: email_address_removed Subject: fates emotions Message-ID: I'll agree that Fates Warning doesn't "groove" in most cases (though there are some parts -- the end of Point of View, for example) -- but unemotional? You are a lucky person in that you have never been depressed, then. Fates simply IS the mood music when things go wrong in my life. :) __ /\ __ __\/__\/__ ~Chris \_||_/ /__||__\ http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ // \ | \\ \| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:41:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: Eric Johnson in Baltimore Message-ID: In Thursday's weekend section for the Baltimore Sun it says Eric Johnson (there is only one-right?) will be at Bohagers on Tuesday May 20th. Bphagers has benn getting a lot of national acts recently while Hammerjacks has had absolutely no one. Bohagers has had Matthew Sweet. They will have groups like They Might Be Giants and Crack the Sky, and now Eric Johnson. I could really envision DT playing at Bohagers... |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 97 15:53 EDT From: Soul Madness To: email_address_removed Subject: Queensryche- Empire Message-ID: Went back into my collection again and pulled out Queensryche's disc Empire and re-discovered some songs. For a while, I only liked the radio songs but I'm starting to love Hand On Heart and Best I Can. BIC reminds me a very little bit of Revolution Calling. My fave off the disc now is The Thin Line. Something struck me though...the guitar part in it sounds all too familiar like I heard it somewhere else..the part after "I walk the thin line for you, do what your told to do"... I'm thinking Savatage but I doubt it seeing that I own every Savatage CD. It just struck me as odd. I also love the ending of TTL....that was too cool. I know to some, this CD was a sellout but I won't ever stop loving it or any Queensryche disc for that matter (including Promised Land and HITNF). PL is actually my fave disc by them. Enough from me. Don ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:06:16 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man To: "I love you, you love me..." Subject: FAQ news Message-ID: OK, there will be an update sometime this weekend, encompassing the following changes: * Mike Bahr's explanation of "The Silent Man." Thanks to Brian Kirk for sending it to me! Mike, if you have a problem with this, let me know, but I assume you're cool with it. * New mirror site in Australia. Thanks Spiff! * An explanation of "Mercy Fuck," et al. - I think we need it. * I'm still waiting for a volunteer to mirror the site in Holland. Anyone? If anyone has any more ideas, please let me know! I ought to get to this Sunday afternoon. -d ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:10:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Ptacek To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Pix and an unpleasant shade of Jesus Message-ID: About the pick thing: I don't think that there's a pick on the market that can improve your precision. Why? Because just as many sick pickers out there use full size regular picks as the special little ones that "improve XxX". I've seen DiMeola use Dunlop jazz III's, and I've seen him use Fender Extra Heavy picks. I've seen Gilbert and Yngwie only use full size regular shape picks. Ron Thal and MICHAEL.ANGELO. too. So I decided that the best thing to do was analyze the picks that feel best for me. I find that what DOES make a difference in your picking, is the flexibility of the pick. It's much less effective to play with a thin pick than with a heavy pick, because the material flops around too much. Metal picks seem to be TOO solid. I found that the thick purple dunlop tortex and delrins got chewed up by my strings too fast (and I pick parallel, not at an angle, so picks should last a while). I found two picks that worked perfectly for me... Pickboy heavy picks, and Fender Extra Heavy picks, in the normal pick shape. I hav since decided on all Extra Heavy picks, because they're so readily available. Since choosing one brand of pick, I think my playing has steadily improved, since I've eliminated a variable. The moral: Don't choose a pick because Petrucci uses it, or because Friedman uses it (Friedman's are a little thinker than mediums). Spend a whole $3 and get a bunch of different picks, and find out what matches your style. No one can see your pick when you're playing... so don't choose because "This pick has a cool bleeding skull with a horned goat's ass pupping out of the eye!". > From: Visker > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2446 > Anyway as a Christian myself, I was wondering if it was Mike C. who > is pissing you guys off or if it is Christianity? If I can ask ONE thing of you, and have you take it to heart, it's this: PLEASE DON'T TALK RELIGION ON THE JAM!!! I Beg you. The thread will start. > From: The Digital Man > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2446 > Christianity doesn't piss me off. Hell, I was a Christian for a good 19 > years or so. It merely confuses me. SEE?!?!?! Here it comes! DUCK! > From: Anton Max > Subject: Re: A pleasant shade of gray That was very insightful. I hadn't looked at it that way. When I first listened to Fates, I just thought they were cool cuz they did guitar harmonies, like Iron Maiden (I was young). One day, though, it really clicked. I was hooked from then on. Since that point, no band has been able to climb above FW on my favorite band list. I understand Marillion is like this too... so I am not gonna sell off my copy of Brave yet... but it is NOT clicking yet. - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:42:05 -0400 From: Corey Bell To: email_address_removed Subject: WAYN Message-ID: <199704112042.QAA19012@inx> I have seen a couple of posts talking about this song and I was just curious where everyone has heard it? It sounds like a cool song. If anyone has this on tape or video e-mail me privately and maybe we could set something up... I have a copy of the Toads show but Where Are You Now is not on it. I would also like to get some more of the fix shows on tape if anyone has them. Thanks in advance. See ya, Corey Check out my band, Joint Decision's, official website at home.aol.com/steviemyer ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2449 **************************