YTSEJAM Digest 2447 Today's Topics: 1) new CDs from Magna Carta by Damon Fibraio 2) Tonights show. by "Jonathan Dery" 3) Stubby Picks by Brian Henderson 4) new kevmo? by Partha Mukhopadhyay 5) Soundgarden? by email_address_removed (Michael Washkevich) 6) Soundgarden by "Brian Hayden" 7) New Testament Album by "Vincent G. LuPone" 8) Fates by email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) 9) DT CONTENT DAMMIT WOOT! by email_address_removed 10) TOTALLY PITHED by email_address_removed 11) Soundgarden and other stuff... by email_address_removed 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2446 by Visker 13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2446 by The Digital Man 14) Critical Mass Video by email_address_removed (Scott Cook) 15) Ryche bashing by Ed Reed 16) Keb' Mo' by email_address_removed 17) billy sheehan- NDTC by email_address_removed 18) Re: A pleasant shade of gray by Anton Max 19) Re: Fates by Anton Max ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:30:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio To: Dream theater Mailing list Subject: new CDs from Magna Carta Message-ID: Just received my promo copies of Enchant's and Magellan's new albums. Haven't given them a detailed listen, but I've played tracks on the air already. My advice? Run, don't walk to a store that sells good prog shit and buy this stuff in triplicate. I say in tripplicate because you might want to keep one of these CDs at home, one in the car, and one somewhere else just in case. Magellan has a drummer, and he's rather good. I could say more, but it would be uninformed. But, buy these, buy them now. They're fucking awesome. More details when I actually listen to more than one track. Damon Fibraio Reach me at email_address_removed keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality professional dumb-ass "you can feel the waves coming on Let them destroy you or carry you on. You're fighting the weight of the world and no one can save you this time Close your eyes, you'll find all you need in your mind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:43:30 -0400 From: "Jonathan Dery" To: email_address_removed Subject: Tonights show. Message-ID: Alright. I'm dying to know the rundown of tonights DT show (setlist, etc.). All you lucky German's had better get typing as soon as you get home! -Jon Dery ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:56:45 -0400 From: Brian Henderson To: email_address_removed Subject: Stubby Picks Message-ID: >Ever try stubby picks? They're these *really* thick clear plastic things >which are about the same shape and size as the jazz picks. They also >kick ass. Not from my standpoint. Our guitarist can *only* play with stubby picks! The worst part is, he only ever has one on hand, and always seems to lose it somewhere. It's a good thing he's only a ska guitarist! Speakin' of which, the Battle of the Bands is tomorrow (4/11) night, 7:30-ish at Henderson High School, West Chester region, PA if anyone in the area's looking for some entertainment/good music/laughs (last year's winning band incorporated non-band-members wearing dresses jumping about on stage like whirling dervishes on wagonwheels -- what a stageshow! )... Seventh Grade Commando Chorus will be there, firing out a mini-3-song-setlist of some of the most neo-classical jazzrock-ska you'll ever lay ears on! Come one, come all, please send food... Love, Kenny. P.S. Tell Ralphie not to touch my comic books. Brian Henderson, Professor of Cytocyberburlapology email_address_removed "Apprends a construire des modeles super comme moi!" -- French LEGO Robot ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:10:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: new kevmo? Message-ID: > I haven't heard a new KevMo for a long time. i have, but unfortunately, it' not what y'all were hoping for......there's a guy out there who goes by the title "kevmo" who's released stuff.....heard a song by the guy, for which they mentioned that a kevmo song was coming up after the commercial.....and i was sitting in my car thinking, "could it be?" and thinking, no way in hell, not on this station, and come to think of it, not on any station in detroit area.....and of course it wasn't "our" kevmo, but some other guy, but the song wasn't all that bad, actually, once i got over my disappointment (short-lived)......can you tell i've had too much caffeine? partha all for one and none for all doing battle in the urban sprawl --Tiles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:14:28 -0700 (PDT) From: email_address_removed (Michael Washkevich) To: email_address_removed Subject: Soundgarden? Message-ID: Wow, this Soundgarden break up thing is news to me. Anyone know of the details?? Private e-mail please. Mike Washkevich ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 23:25:25 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" To: email_address_removed Subject: Soundgarden Message-ID: On the subject of Soundgarden: I don't consider them progressive, but up through Superunknown I did consider them a hell of a rock band. I'm glad they broke up, because I believe they were running out of steam on Down On the Upside. I bought that album, and "Burden in My Hand" turned out to be the only song I liked. This was a great disappointment, as I thought that Louder than Love, Badmotorfinger, and Superunkown, were very good (if not great) albums. That unholy word "sellout" never occurred to me - it just seemed that they had lost the creative edge that had defined even their more radio-friendly songs. For example, "Black Hole Sun" (which is my second least favorite song on that album) is definitely an oddball song in a musical way - nowhere near the standard grunge/alternapop. They did songs from the likes of "Mailman" and "Limo Wreck" - atmospheric, edgy rockers - to the softer things such as "Like Suicide," which I think is one of their best songs. Anyway, I'm babbling, so that's it. I'm interested in people's thoughts. I haven't seen anything more in depth than "RIP" or "good riddance." Here's hoping that Cornell and Thayil can refresh their horizons (the other two guys can't write music worth shit). -Brian ***************************** Quote of the Day ********************************* "Being miserable might work for your first album, but once you get your royalties, what are you gonna sing about on your second album? Then all you can do is blow your head off and become a legend." - Paul Stanley of KISS ******************************************************************************** "The Silent Man" Art/Lit E-zine http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9493 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:24:16 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" To: email_address_removed Subject: New Testament Album Message-ID: Hey guys, I'm on some Testament listserv, and this is an excerpt from the latest message. > I checked Testament's record label web page and the new album will be >entitled "Demonic" and is scheduled for release on June 24. You can confirm >this by looking at > http://home.earthlink.net/~flg/new.html Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince If you like that there rock 'n roll, check out: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~vgl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:36:09 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) To: email_address_removed Subject: Fates Message-ID: >Huh? And you skipped Parallels? I thought that was Ray's best one >personally, but then I liked the vox on Inside Out alot, too. Oh, >well, they're not for everyone. My friend finds his overuse of high >vocals on alot of stuff to be annoying, and I can understand that. >It's not for everyone. :) If you remember my first post about Fates, when I first heard them, I also thought Ray was singing aimlessly. Later I found a Fates tape I really really like. God knows which one it is. (Here's an excerpt: help me out... "Waking hours..something, something,....all we do and all we dream...") I have bad hearing so excuse the mistakes. But anyway, Ray boy sings really good on this one. ........................................................................... ....................... "A girl called and said "come on over, nobody's home". I went over; nobody was home. -Rodney Dangerfield ........................................................................... ....................... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 23:45:16 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: DT CONTENT DAMMIT WOOT! Message-ID: Okay, I've got a few things & thought I'd combine them. 1. In flipping JANUARY I sent off a check to the fan club. Yeh, I know that they aren't really up on things, but they haven't even cashed the fucker yet. What gives, anyone? 2. Whoever wanted to swop me Majesty Demos for (You-Know-What), please let me know if you're still interested in this so I can send you my snail mail address 'n' all that. 3. Someone wanted to know a group that has lots of albums that has some good stuff... I like the Alan Parsons Project (though not their latest, sounds very lame but the CD-rom was cool). 4. Ytsequiz! name the author and, for bonus points, the source. Forgive misquotes. The year is now 182x. As always, I am absorbed with a delicate thought... without a pleasureable idea, music is simply music. Without music, or the pleasureable idea, color becomes pallor. Body becomes carcass. Home becomes catacomb. And the dead are, but for a moment, motionless. (proper quote upon request. I'm not near my literature book for the direct quote, but this is close enough for recognition.) 5. Still got bunches of vinyl for sale, name yr price on almost all of them. Most used, most in excellent condition; lots of prog and bootlegs among other boring crap I'm just trying to get rid of. Email for details. Someone is hacking over there in the corner, I'm gonna go check 'em out n see if they want coffee. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 23:53:33 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: TOTALLY PITHED Message-ID: Oops, forgot to post my DT content! Doh! Okay, so I call up my "local" college station and request some DT. So I say, hey if I bring it will you play it? They say SURE! NOTE: aforementioned station is TWO HOURS AWAY. So there I am travelling from Norman OK to Stillwater, to bring them an extra copy of I&W (couldn't find used copy of Awake). On the way back, I dial them up on my c-phone since it's free and request a song. The asshole DJ who'd said he'd absolutely dig having a DT disk in the station said, well, I listened to it and just don't really like it (this contradicted a previous remark about how much he grooved it last time he heard it, prompting me to offer the disk), but he'd play a song for me anyhow. Which one? I requested UAGM, thinking that'd come over the airwaves nicely. About an hour later he got to it. I was nearly home. He said on the air, "a listener BEGGED us to play this and even brought us the CD from Norman, call in and let us know what you think." And, for the first time, I heard something besides "Pull Me Under" on the air. He cut it off short, didn't even play the whole song, and said someone had called in and said they hated it. One call. So, he said, why don't you just come on back here and pick up your disk. ASSHOLE!@(&*^(^%%$#@ So the point here is that they have an 800... 1800297KSPI. Get the idea? The other two Oklahoma jammers don't get the station. jazz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:56:34 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Soundgarden and other stuff... Message-ID: For all who considered Soundgarden just another no-talent alternative waste, take the time to listen to some of their "non-top 40" songs. You'll then reallize that they did actually have some prog-type skills. For instance the songs "Rhinosaur" and "Never the Machine Forever", neither of which are in 4/4 time. In fact about 70% of the songs they wrote were in odd times and had good structure, unlike most alternative bands (ie. Green Day and most of the bands on 120 Minutes) who thoughtlessly throw bar chords together. It's f~cked up, the bands w/ no talent always sell the most records. Anyway I'm not sayin' that Kim Thayill can compete with John Petrucci by a long shot, but that doesn't matter because Thayill was geared towards a different style and sound anyway. Speekin' of the mac, does anyone have the JP Instructional Video? I heard it rocked. Just listening to the shit he does is one thing, but I can't imagine actually WATCHING it! Too bad they didn't have a JP clinic in the southeast. "The third arrives..." I&W ..but when will the album :-} Drew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:26:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Visker To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2446 Message-ID: Hey guys, I'm new in posting to the list (let's just say I had an interesting first experience...Remember "Gather Hebrews...") Anyway as a Christian myself, I was wondering if it was Mike C. who is pissing you guys off or if it is Christianity? It really bugs me when other Christians such as Mike give us a bad name by sounding ridiculous and making us look like a joke by shoving our religion down your throats. Christianity is very important to me, but I realize that the ytsejam is not the place to try to start a mission. It's really a shame, Mike...think about what you are doing buddy?? Oh...and by the way...I don't think the FAQ covers "The Silent Man" Could somebody fill me in on what this song is about?? Thanks guys and keep up the good work! -Visker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:39:49 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2446 Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Visker wrote: > Anyway as a Christian myself, I was wondering if it was Mike C. who > is pissing you guys off or if it is Christianity? It really bugs me Christianity doesn't piss me off. Hell, I was a Christian for a good 19 years or so. It merely confuses me. > when other Christians such as Mike give us a bad name by sounding ridiculous > and making us look like a joke by shoving our religion down your throats. That's not really it, either. I mean, that bugs me, but Mike hasn't done that on this list in quite some time (not since he got kicked off for doing it). What bugs me is that Mike purports to be a strong Christian, but acts in the most non-Christian manner I've seen for so devoted a follower. No, that's not even it. I could care less. It's just that he does it *here*. > Christianity is very important to me, but I realize that the ytsejam > is not the place to try to start a mission. Oh, good. A real Christian. > Oh...and by the way...I don't think the FAQ covers "The Silent Man" > Could somebody fill me in on what this song is about?? I'll put an answer there when I get a good one. I'm still hoping that someone saved that post that Mike Bahr sent in comparing the song to 1001 Arabian Nights. That was killer stuff, and I'd love to include it. Any of you packrats hang on to this? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:39:44 EDT From: email_address_removed (Scott Cook) To: email_address_removed Subject: Critical Mass Video Message-ID: I just got a really cool video the other day and it has become my favorite concert video. It's the show that Bahr got his Critical Mass CD from. If you've heard the CD you already know how awesome this sounds, now add a second generation quality pro-shot video to it and you have two incredible hours of Rush live. Now if I could just get a Pro shot stereo of *this* tour! }:-> Scott ******************************************************************************************* Why do men pay more than women for car insurance? Because women don't get blowjobs while they're driving. ******************************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:09:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Ed Reed To: email_address_removed Subject: Ryche bashing Message-ID: Hmm... Is it just me or are the opinions on the new QR album just completely polarized into two camps? Some of us love the album, others can't stand it (or possibly have been led to believe that it is grunge and hate it for that without even listening to anything besides Sign of the Times). Guys, it is still Queensryche... they still have their own distinct sound that a lot of us have embraced since the early days. They do keep changing (progressing, regressing, whatever) but they still are writing tunes with thought-provoking lyrics, good musicianship, and the vocals of one of the better singers in rock. To anyone that is bashing Ryche: people complained when Promised Land came out... said it was too wussy and laid-back.. the guys didn't just let it all loose and rock enough. Well, they delivered the product that satisfies all those complainers. HitnF has some hard-hitting, rocking tunes on it... and now they get slagged for going 'alternative' or 'grunge'. Anyway, if any Ryche fans have complaints, just go catch the next tour. The Queensryche tour for PL was by far the best concert I have been to (including DT/FW), and I wasn't even that fond of PL at the time. If you want to have your dissenting opinions about Ryche, that's fine... you are entitled to do so. But to slag another individual/group for their artistic contribution is just not cool. Sheesh... I wonder how many of you aspiring musicians out there have written music that could be considered 'on par' with HitnF, much less any of the older Ryche efforts. DrX /-------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Join in the new game that's sweeping the country. It's called | | "Bureaucracy". Everybody stands in a circle. The first person | | to do anything loses. | \-------------------------------------------------------------------------/ \------ Ed : email_address_removed, email_address_removed ---------------/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:11:16 -0700 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Keb' Mo' Message-ID: >> I haven't heard a new KevMo for a long time. >i have, but unfortunately, it' not what y'all were hoping for......there's >a guy out there who goes by the title "kevmo" who's released stuff.... ---------- It could have been Keb' Mo', a very talented acoustic blues artist. His first cd won a grammy, and his second one is really good, too though not as raw. I own and really like both. Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:20:48 -0700 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: billy sheehan- NDTC Message-ID: I just got a cool cd called Niacin (which reminds me of the time I took to much of the vitamin Niacin and my body turned red and I got all hot and itchy (speaking of Itchy, come back, man!) but that's another story). Anyhoo, it's Billy Sheehan on bass, John Novello on Hammond B3, and Dennis Chambers on drums. I don't know who the second two guys are but they rock. The cd is a good mix of jazz, blues, prog, rock and just outright jamming by three talented guys. I found it at Tower on a listening station and it was on sale. If you like bass and Hammond, I suggest it. Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 04:12:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Anton Max To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: A pleasant shade of gray Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, CLARK ABEL wrote: > Let's see how many posts on one subject I can get into one jam. > >Can't wait for the new FW. I haven't heard a new KevMo for a long > > As I said in my last post, I can't really get into this band. However, > after listening to some more of APSOG, I can say that I definitely think the > increased keyboard presence adds alot to their sound. And as for the vocals, > he definitely doesn't use his high range as much, which I like alot better. > But I still kind of think he just wander's around, I'd rather he pick one > melody and go with it for a while. Just IMO, though. > -Clark > > I had a girlfriend once who didn't like Fates, for much the same reason as yours. But I was sort of living with her, and I wasn't about to stop listening to my favourite band. So she was subjected to a barrage of it for about, oh, a year and a half. You'd think someone would get annoyed at having to hear music they don't like so much for such a long time. But after a year and a half, she suddenly "got it." There were other things she didn't get, but that's not important. The point is, Fates is weird that way, and I think it's sort of why they haven't been very popular. You just can't take that kind of time with music you don't like at first. there's too much other music that you do like to listen to. But it's so rewarding when you do "get it." I never disliked it, but it took a hell of a long time before it really clicked with me, at which point I was suddenly in ecstasy that hasn't gone away. Musically, there's just about nothing as rewarding for me as listening to "At Fates Hands," "Nothing Left to Say," "Guardian," or "The Ivory gate of Dreams" really, really loud. With my eyes closed. It was well worth the wait. So basically, my point is, don't sell those Fates CDs yet. And as I've said before, it seems to me that the new one is more accessible. I haven't had to wait two years for it to grow on me. That might be partially because I'm used to Fates, or maybe once you "get it" it becomes much easier to get into the new stuff. But for the reasons you cited (about Ray's singing) and others (Kevin's keys may have a lot to do with it) I think APSOG is probably much more accessible than the other stuff. At least for DT fans. -maximilian Anton Max MadMax+@cmu.edu http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 04:14:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Anton Max To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fates Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Jeff Keifling wrote: > If you remember my first post about Fates, when I first heard them, I also > thought Ray was singing aimlessly. Later I found a Fates tape I really > really like. God knows which one it is. (Here's an excerpt: help me out... > "Waking hours..something, something,....all we do and all we dream...") I > have bad hearing so excuse the mistakes. But anyway, Ray boy sings really > good on this one. > That's No Exit. The song is the Ivory Gate of Dreams. And thank you for calling me God :) -maximilian Anton Max MadMax+@cmu.edu http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2447 **************************