YTSEJAM Digest 2440 Today's Topics: 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2438 by Chris Ptacek 2) Soundgarden breakup (NDTC) by alex fraser 3) MACHINE HEAD, Petrucc and Windham Hill???? by Conrad Chi 4) Soundgarden done. by "Jeremy C. Hallum" 5) Put up or shut up by email_address_removed 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2439 by Chris Ptacek 7) WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!1 by Jon Parmet 8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2439 by Andrew Forcier 9) what is and isnt by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" 10) Demise by Rahul Ananda 11) Fates Warning by "Elv" 12) Memories bringing the years of the great Glam are now a present Booginsnewg... by Phillip 13) Rush news by "Dale R. Newberry" 14) by Partha Mukhopadhyay 15) Scott Cook by Lars Hellsten ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:52:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Ptacek To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2438 Message-ID: > I had a great idea: why don't we send each other any Dream Theater content we > may want to post by private e-mail, and just use the list to slag each other > off in public. Hehehehehehe I like! > and secondly, these delays with dt's new album are really pissing me > off. I don't really care that there are delays, but what bothers me is > that no one really knows why. We were under the impression that everyone knew why by now. Let me state what we know, as we understand it from Mike Portnoy. The label was being lazy about it, or at least, not giving them the go-ahead. DT met with label. Label said "Hmm. Okay... we'll get you in the studio." Petition meets label. DT and label meet again and are now slated to begin recording in May once they return from the mini-tour in Europe. Official updates will be delivered by Portnoy to the mighty Merlo, and we will be certain to make this info VERY public. > and that good for nothing Red Sector A page is > doing nothing. They seem to be so fucking impressed with themselves that > they're the official DT page yet they're doing nothing for the fans really. I don't know if that page is done for a profit. I hope it's not.. that is... I'm sure the fans could collaborate and create a page of equal coolness. If the page is done as a freebie, then give the guys a break. Updates on the page have come slowly, but they look damn good, and no pertinent information is missing. > From: email_address_removed > Subject: Fwd: Steve Vai tour dates & newsletter! THANK YOU MASTER KOBA! - Chris petition and its results: http://www.prognosis.com/petition/ my feeble page: http://www.pronosis.com/madsman/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:12:02 -0500 (CDT) From: alex fraser To: "Ytsejam International House of Pancakes (and Mailing List)" Subject: Soundgarden breakup (NDTC) Message-ID: good news for all the grunge-haters out there... bad news for the soundgarden fans... hmm... two posts in one day. i gotta slow down. i'll be like that merlo guy in no time... :P tah, id ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 15:36:53 -0400 From: Aphrodite To: email_address_removed Subject: LR: Soundgarden breakup The Edge (radio station) in Albany has announced the breakup of Soundgarden :( Here is what MTV Online posted about the breakup: SOUNDGARDEN CALLS IT QUITS Soundgarden's record label announced today that the group is breaking up to pursue "other interests." A statement released Wednesday by A&M Records briefly summarizes the situation, saying, "After twelve years, the members of Soundgarden have amicably and mutually decided to disband to pursue other interests. There is no word at this time on any of the member's future plans." The news comes two months after the band's last U.S. tour wound up in Hawaii amid rumors of in-fighting and ill-will. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:13:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Conrad Chi To: email_address_removed Subject: MACHINE HEAD, Petrucc and Windham Hill???? Message-ID: Although I am not that big of a fan of thrash metal, went and saw MACHINE HEAD last night. They really can kick some ass! 'Davidian' is one heavy ass song! The set was about an hour and fifteen minutes long. Since it was their first time in Santa Barbara, they also covered South of Heaven by SLAYER. Anyways it was a cool show. Also, does anyone have info about the classical album Petrucci was going to play on for Windham Hill? An older fan club interview mentioned it. I guess Morse was producing. i have ANGRA's 'Freedom Call' and ELDRITCH's 'Seeds of Rage' coming in the mail. Can't wait. ELDRITCH was only $14!!!! layba day Conrad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:19:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" To: "Zee' Yzeejam" Subject: Soundgarden done. Message-ID: Anyone else heard that Soundgarden broke up? It just came across WBCN about 5 minutes ago. (No crude BCN jokes please, I can't get WAAF (not much better) from school.) Charged some boot^H^H^H^Hlimited edition discs from Kiss the Stone. I'm lokoing forward to getting them soon. I got DT's Mind Control, and QR's Saints and Sinners, and *gasp* PUSA for my little bro who just isn't catching that prog bug. I'm trying though. -jeremy +=====================================================================+ # grad student, Boston U. # "Some people fly, and some of us worry # # Boston, MA 02134 # I'd risk it all to have wings # # Astronomy # I know if I try, I'll get where I'm going # #<*> Jeremy Hallum <*># keeping my eyes on the sky" # #<*> email_address_removed <*># -Queensryche, "Some people Fly" # #<*>email_address_removed <*># http://bu-ast.bu.edu/~jhallum/ # +=====================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 16:25:22 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Put up or shut up Message-ID: Ok, Digital Man, why don't you explain to me why exactly the new album has been delayed for so long? I have friends here in philly who are on the jam and they have no idea either. The only things I have seen on the jam or that stupid red sector a page is that there are personnel changes at the label that have been delaying it. That statement is very vague and I have yet to see anything on the jam more specific. And about Manson, I'm saying that I see them as a progressive metal band because they are experimenting with different sounds and I think they are unique and talented. My post had nothing to do with anger towards anyone on the jam, I just didn't like the way jeremy had 'banned' discussing manson. What I am angry about is that Jeff Chew's lifting shadows page was great, and now that red sector a took it over and it became the official DT page it's turned to shit.. trying to sell overpriced DT merchandise on the page and when I read the update section it sounds so pompous and worthless. for example, they referred to themselves as 'management' on the last update they wrote about european tour merchandise. Who cares, I don't like the page anymore. I read the jams when there is something that I find worthwhile to read about, which recently has been very infrequently, but I understand that's because DT is in a lull right now. I have no problem with that. But I do not go around on the jams looking for someone to attack, I have posted very infrequently, and when I do, it's because I have something to say. The last one I wrote was in response to someone's question about 6:00 and Joyce. So fuckhead, instead of looking through the jams posting meaningless messages trying to be funny, why don't you post something useful or shut the fuck up. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:39:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Ptacek To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2439 Message-ID: > From: email_address_removed (Scott Cook) > Subject: Reply from the asshole of the jam > Not that it matters but that's my side of it. As far as I'm concerned > this thing with Mark is over from my end. I see this, and I am totally relieved, thinking once again, peace will reign for a short time... and then Itchy posts THIS: > bitch every time I comment on a flamewar or the lack of DTC. And now > you bitch because I'm trying to take some off the flaming off the > list. Actually, you're perpetuating it yourself here. > I'm sorry to post this crap, but I'll keep doing it until Scott > decides to grow up. That might take a while, so get used to it. Now it's on you, Itchy. Let it end. You can not win. Scott can not win. Please, let it end. ------------------- > as much as i'm against censorship, couldn't we maybe institute a "3 > strikes" program against needless flamers? i don't mean post by post, > but if you're involved in several posts of a flame war (scott, mark) > that's one strike. just something to think about/delete 'cause you don't > care... I think this is a great idea... but it's sort of already in effect. The problem is that Skadz doesn't have time to read all of the jams... and I personally would prefer not to annoy him with lots of e-mails like "Look! Itchy should get a strike now, Right? Huh? Hmm?" So I say we just correct each other. > From: The Digital Man > Subject: Re: Autographed stuff > Order? Doesn't anybody go out and earn their autographs anymore? How about it! I have a denim jacket that has over 20 autographs (doubles from some of the guys in DT, since I saw em twice), and I sweated through summer concerts with the damn thing on so I could have them all on that jacket. I'm not knocking people who just want autographs... but it doesn't carry the same sentimental value without the experience of getting it signed yourself! > So, who on this list has heard of T-Ride? Who among the Have Heards has > their album? Yes yes, I know how cool it is... Aside from the T-Ride > website, anyone know where I might probe around to find one? It's out of > print and I don't think cdnow is all over it or anything... I could do some probing of the annals (:P) of mighty out of print albums for you, and just perhaps, purchase you a copy. The annals are large and smelly, so if anyone else knows of an item sought by many, let me know and I'll try to help out. > From: Christopher Bellardine > Subject: Shutting down? > play anything they so desired. What's this I hear that ytsejam is shutting > down. A Joke. > Could someone E-mail me and tell me exactly > what progressive rock means. There's no permanent definition. You have to create the definition yourself based on the music that people label progressive. > From: The Digital Man > Subject: Re: Shutting down? *BEEP* PMS detector *BEEP* > > Dt is the greatest band ever, and I thought > > this mailing list was primarily for DT fans. All Manson fans need to go find > > OK, look dickbrain. Just because this list is for DT fans, it doesn't > mean: Merlo: Having a rough day? > Here's some insight: > > * You want answers? Ask politely. > * You want answers? Sit back and read for a while. > * You want to learn something from this list? Give and take. Be a > constructive citizen of our society. Full on agree with you here... > * But don't come blazing in here saying, "I'm new here, and it sucks. > Change it for me." We won't. I didn't see where he said that. I'm gonna sue DT, cause I can't see much clearer now that I'm blind. - Chris Ptacek ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 20:41:59 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: email_address_removed Subject: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!1 Message-ID: > From: Chris Ptacek >> From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" >> PPS - How about putting some Morse/Dregs on there? > You got it! Check later tonight. How about throwing some AC/DC up there, Chris? :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > From: The Digital Man >> ...care if it takes three years for the new album as long as we know the truth Apparently, it's on a need to know basis, and WE don't need to know :) > "The truth is out there." And the rumors are in here... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > From: Christopher Bellardine > I love Rush, and I love Floyd, but I will not talk about Floyd hear. I'll > talk to their mailing list. Chris, You're going to do just fine in here :) It's ok to talk Floyd in here, BTW. Everything is all in the presentation. > From: The Digital Man > * You want answers? Ask politely. Ok, where's the fook is the fookin' new CD? I want what I want when I want it :) Regards, Jon *------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | email_address_removed | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------* I believe that what I'm feeling Changes how the world appears - Rush ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 15:46:14 -0700 From: Andrew Forcier To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2439 Message-ID: Hello, The subject refers to probably the single funniest digest of the Ytsejam I have ever seen. First for this: > "Gather Hebrews while ye may..." BWAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! I leave the guys name out because I can't imagine his shame at the number of flames this will generate. I think I'll clean my shorts... "I damn near soiled my armor!" The line is world renowned: "Gather ye rosebuds while ye may..." To learn the rest, read the FAQ or finish high school. And then this guy Christopher Bellardine. Man have you got another thing coming. D-Man already bit on this one, but it was just the single stupidest post I have ever seen! Well except some of mine of course (that 12/24 time sig on DWD still gets to me!). > Could someone E-mail me and tell me exactly what progressive rock > means. This says it all. The guy obviously has no clue what 80% of this list is about if he has no personal concept of prog. And to bash QR in the manner he did is Ytse-suicide. But I have the answer as to why this fella is so slow on the uptake: > Note specifically that he is a Rutgers student. Every RU student is so full of their own opinions that they don't know what to do with them, so they dump them on people who could care less! How do I know this, you ask? It's my alma mater... Chris, give me a call. I'm still in the area and I'd be happy to tell you what prog is if I can stop laughing at you long enough. And either go see The Empire Strikes Back or read Smeets's sig: You must unlearn what you have learned... DAMN NEWBIES!!!!! Read first, then think before you post. Then don't post. > Fuck these other bands that don't belong hear. No, fuck you. You don't belong here. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 15:44:50 -0500 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds Subject: what is and isnt Message-ID: >Well, I actually agree with Jeremy here (for once :) ... the list >is not "to be about ... the music they enjoy." ... it's about DT and >related topics. For instance, Metallica became a huge and insipid debate >that did not, and does not belong on the list. technically, you could rule out or include about anything this way.. like what does rush really have to do with dream theater then? ok, they play odd time signatures, MP may sight them as an influence.. he also sights rap and all other forms of music. you want DT related topics, i could probably relate MM to DT in some way. Kevin played with DT Joey Vera played with kevin Jeff Ament played with Joey Vera Mike Inez played with jeff ament Ozzy played with mike inez Filter toured with ozzy fiter has an ex Nine Inch Nails member trent reznor produces marilyn manson records. i'm led to believe you agree with Jeremy because your opinions on marilyn manson are not the highest in respect, wether it be conscious or not. granted, that list of relation is idiodic, but so is everything else around here, so why not :) ~Rip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:57:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Rahul Ananda To: Fucknuts Subject: Demise Message-ID: Heard on the radio today that Soundgarden has permanently disbanded. No reason was given -- just the 10 second news clip. I thought some of you would like to know -- especially in the wake of the recent debates of prog-grunge. Rahul Ananda : email_address_removed or email_address_removed ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:09:48 -0400 From: "Elv" To: Subject: Fates Warning Message-ID: Does anyone know a web page where I can get the lyrics to "A Pleasant Shade Of Gray"? The sound samples were great. Very impressive. Elvis Batur email_address_removed email_address_removed Music In Progress http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4257 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 16:31:17 +0000 From: Phillip To: email_address_removed Subject: Memories bringing the years of the great Glam are now a present Booginsnewg... Message-ID: Hi there. T-Ride? Yeah they are cool. Trying to find it? Good luck! I tried long and hard to find the CD (I have a copy of the tape) and have yet to locate it. I have heard stories of it being in Bargain Bins for like $2 but have yet to find one for myself. If anyone does, let me know please. Speaking of bargain bins and stuff, a strange turn of events has led me back to the old days. The days of the Glam. Tomorrow at work for me and some friends, GLAMFEST! That's right, all of your favorite glam bands from Poison to Warrant, Stryper to Cinderella, will all be revisited. This is NOT an insult to those of you who do listen to this stuff by the way. I realize that a lot of it is quite good and the lyrics are dang funny. But anyways, the point of this... I was listening to my old tapes in preparation for GlamFest and I came across one of my all-time most listened to tapes, Twisted Sister-Love is for Suckers. Man, I used to jam to that one A LOT! So I stuck it in the tape player and waited for "Wake up the Sleeping Giant," when to my dismay - THE TAPE SNAPPED!!ALL THOSE MEMORIES! ALL THOSE YEARS OF GREAT LISTENING! GONE! NOOOOOOOOO!!!! So if anyone knows where I can get a CD of this Classic (to me, at least) for a cheap price, let me know! On the other side of the spectrum, I was introduced to a cool Black Metal band by the name of Cradle of Filth. Anyone got any info on these guys they'd like to share? It was pretty dang rough and evil but I liked it. Sorry for this babblemarathon. Check out my Ultra-sucky, Satan Barf Homepage, for more babbles. http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/2553 Later Phillip CD of the day: Alice Cooper "Raise Your Fist and Yell!" (yeah! This one ROCKS!!!! ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:45:19 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" To: email_address_removed Subject: Rush news Message-ID: I just saw that the Rush show scheduled for June 8 at Riverport Amphitheater in St. Louis is FINALLY official. Tickets go on sale this Saturday at 10am. I am there. Dale R. Newberry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:23:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay To: Multiple recipients of list Message-ID: > Again, to the guy with the radio show: > I've been thinking about that radio thing you're doing. It doesn't make > sense to play a block of Metallica every week: everyone who is gonna > like Metallica has already heard them. Everyone who likes them probably > has all their stuff. It's like this. i'd have to disagree with this.....chiefly for the fact that i liked metallica long before i even considered buying their albums.....this wasa primarily because a radio station would play metallica (old met, new met, all kinds of met) at random intervals, and kept my interest high enuff, so a coupla years later, when i started buying albums and stuff, I still liked metallica..... same goes for rush.....they've been my favorite band as long as i can remember being interested in music in general....but, I don't believe I owned any of their albums until the 90's..... the weekly metallica content does have a purpose--keeping fans of load interested enough so they may eventually check out older metallica, which i think a majority of this list prefers...... partha "can't be king of the hill if you're a slave to the grind"--skid row (thanks to whoever mentioned this (richie?), haven't listened to it in a longlong time) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 16:45:09 -0400 From: Lars Hellsten To: email_address_removed Subject: Scott Cook Message-ID: >I'm sorry to post this crap, but I'll keep doing it until Scott >decides to grow up. That might take a while, so get used to it. Actually, Mark, I think Scott has flamed just about everyone else on this list as well. So you're certainly in good company. When he first came onto the list, I thought he seemed like a pretty good guy, and almost traded boots with him. But then I guess after the intimidation factor wore off, he just became a total jerk. I too have seen his drivel on these lists for over a year now. Personally, I think we should just ignore the moron and hopefully he'll go away. People like him are just looking for attention. Ooops, I think I just flamed him. Guess I'm a hypocrite. But at least I know how to pick my spots (Scott only knows how to pick his nose). ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2440 **************************