YTSEJAM Digest 2407 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Concept Albums by "Derrick S Collins" 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2405 by Eric Rodger 3) Holland/QR by Mark Bredius 4) Help please by email_address_removed 5) First Post by email_address_removed 6) Re: Here we go again by Eric Rodger 7) QR introduction by Peter Geerts 8) strange things and other panties by email_address_removed 9) Enough already!!! by "Kasper, Robert" 10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2406 by Chris Ptacek 11) Re: Education in YTSEJAM digest 2406 by Jim Mitchell 12) **ARIZONA** WILDCATS!! by "Vincent G. LuPone" 13) Re: Metallica by Soul Madness 14) NEXT ALBUM?! by "Scott D. Duren" 15) YTSEJAM digest 2401 by MakTs 16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2406 by email_address_removed (Scott Cook) 17) Re: **ARIZONA** WILDCATS!! by email_address_removed (Scott Cook) 18) Listening to new DT material-WHERE!!??!! by "Eric LaRue" 19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2405 by "Brian Hayden" 20) MTV by Aaron Happe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:57:13 -0330 From: "Derrick S Collins" To: Subject: Re: Concept Albums Message-ID: > Aren't All King Diamond's albums concept Albums or just some? I know he > does a lot of them, like "The Eye" being one I have. Not all KD albums are concept albums. "The Spider's Lullabye" is not a concept album. The last 4 songs do link together, but the first 6 songs are completely unrelated. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:38:21 -0500 From: Eric Rodger To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2405 Message-ID: At 12:31 PM 3/31/97 -0800, you wrote: > >>greatest advancements since the invention of the wheel. Plus, we have >>Dream Theater. >> > >But, we have to go to Europe to hear them :( > > kevin hammer > Not if you get a copy of the Fix for 9....oh, nevermind. KAI ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 22:27:56 +0200 From: Mark Bredius To: "'The YtseSpam'" Subject: Holland/QR Message-ID: ITCHAK SCHWARZBARD said : > YEAH!!!!! By the way, where is Holland? :) > > (Like it's some freaking huge landmark!) America is known for its > doctors :), scientists, space program,(DREAM THEATER!), etc. and > they are known for their....waffles? Windmills, wooden shoes, tulips, half of Van Halen, Lemur Voice, The Gathering, Rutgher Hauer (actor), Jan de Bont (speed), Paul Verhoeven (Basic Instinct), Adam Curry (ex-MTV), Golden Earring (band), Philips, CD, CD-i, Heineken, Grolsh, liquorice... Does anyone from Holland have anything to add to that list ? :-) > I guess we are the dumb ones. :-) Btw, got the new QR last Saturday. Listened to it at the store... Bought it anyway... Listened to it in the best way I could think of... lying on my bed, lights off, headphones. First impression : "I FUCKING HATE IT !". Couple more listens... sounds cool, not bad. Listened to it 12 times in 3 days. Right now, I love it, but IMO it's not half as good as any of their other albums. I can see this one getting old REAL fast. It reminds me of "Test For Echo" in that respect. Hated it, loved it, got bored by it. Both albums are produced by Peter Collins... Coincidence ? Also, both album covers were designed by Hugh Syme. Love them both :-) Current favourites : "Some People Fly", "Saved", "Hero", "All I Want", "spOOL" :-> The only song I really hate is "Get A Life". I'm sure the lyrics will come in handy, next time I feel like flaming someone :-) Mark email_address_removed Would someone please let me know how we _ _____ ___ _ _ __ __ have spun out of control ? |:||_.:._|/:._]|:]_[:|\.\_/./ Has the captain let go of the wheel ? |:| |:| (.:(_ |:___:| \_::/ (Queensryche - Sign of the Times) |_| [_] \___]|_] [_| [__/ _________________________________________________________________________ Itchy's Homepage - http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:54:44 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Help please Message-ID: I e-mailed the Jam a while ago and never got any response/help. What I was wondering is that I sent an application for a membership to the DTIFC in January. Umm....it's April now and I haven't received any correspondance from it. Does this mean the rumors I hear about people sending in and never getting responded to true? Please let me know (ie. Current Members) if this is just a standard thing. I appreciate any help. Thanks, Jeff E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:10:24 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: First Post Message-ID: Since I joined this list earlier today, I figured I'd say hi to everyone and introduce myself. I've been a fan of DT since the first time I heard/saw them when they opened for Marillion at the Ritz in 1990. Since then, I've seen them four more times. I next saw them at Sundance on Long Island open for Marillion again. This was the show they played as Ytse Jam and mostly instrumental until Steve Stone came on to sing one song (I could've swore it was Metropolis, but the FAQ said it was Change of Seasons). I also saw them at the Limelight (the Dance of Eternity show) where I heard Change of Seasons for the first time (or at least I thought!). I still have the "Playbill" from the show. I have also seen them at the Manhattan Center and Malibu. When I bought Images and Words (one of my all-time favorite albums), I was astonished to see my old college radio station, WCWP, get a thank you from the band. I do remember that WCWP (C.W. Post's radio station) did play WDADU in its setlist. Anybody who listened to WCWP in the late '80's may remember a DJ by the name of Mike Adams. That was me. I am an avid DT collector. I have some bootleg CDs, including Dance of Eternity, IntruMentals I and II, Wake Up and others. I also have a good collection of videos -- Limelight, Manhattan Center, San Francisco, Tokyo, Toronto. One of the reasons why I got on the Internet was because I had missed the Fix for '96 show at Mulcahey's because I didn't know about it. Since I got online, I know I won't miss out on any DT news. I'm still pissed that I missed the show but I did get a tape of the Toad's Place show and the new songs are outstanding! I can't wait for the new CD (if it ever comes out!). Thanks for reading and take care, Adam Perkowsky (email_address_removed) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:23:33 -0500 From: Eric Rodger To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Here we go again Message-ID: At 12:33 PM 3/31/97 -0800, you wrote: >On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Lars Hellsten wrote: > >[See, I left it in this time! :) ] > >> The fact that Americans actually waste their time memorizing the capitals >> of all the states (isn't that what an Atlas is for?) and other such useless >> facts that can be looked up instead of learning useful SKILLS, explains why >> the US is so far behind in the maths and sciences. > >Ah, see? Again, you're missing the whole point of this discussion. Look >at it this way. James LaBrie - Canadian. Apparently (from your >explanation) never had to memorize stuff in school. Can't remember where >to start singing in "The Killing Hand." Who had to save his ass that >night? Mike Portnoy - an American. Not only is this hilarious, but did anyone notice how ON Mike's voice was? I heard a tape of this show, and he was right on. I had no idea Mike could sing, especially after his attempt at Surrounded, back in 92/93. Also, did anyone notice that on some of the new songs, there are harmony backing vocals. I assume this is Mike also, but it's hard to tell. I think Mike really wants to sing..bad. KAI ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 23:49:17 +0200 (MET DST) From: Peter Geerts To: email_address_removed Subject: QR introduction Message-ID: Okay, now that Queensryche has a new album, I'm beginning to realize that this band *may* be worth my attention:-). I know, you guys will probably call me illiterate (please disregard spelling) or beotians, BUT could someone please e-mail me PRIVATELY some QR albums that may be interesting as a first introduction, from the point of view of a DT-fan. Oh, and please stop the American/European contest of posting the most stupid arguments... Not interested anymore...:-( Greetz, Peter ------------------------------------------- email_address_removed.ac.be email_address_removed.ac.be Jaarverantwoordelijke 1K wiskunde, KULeuven Voorzitter JVS Orion Mechelen ------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:50:29 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: strange things and other panties Message-ID: so after driving 4 hours in fucking snow, i get back to find 94 messages....needless to say, i deleted every single fucking one of them...thus, i've probably missed everyone and their mother's reviews of the new ryche and so forth..... but before i go there, check this shit out: a) i was watching tv, and there was a twix commercial on, 2 guys (father and son) were in a maternity ward viewing all these babies (i imagine one of them belonged to the son), and they were ramblinb about something silly....i would tell you about if i hadn't heard what was going on in the background...........in the background, i kept hearing the hospital scene from the beginning of operation mindcrime!!!!! i almost fainted.....it was something else....whew. b) i was in tower records clearance outlet, and in the 1 dollar bin was every tnt album......anyone know if the charlie watts who produced them is the same charlie watts of the rolling stones?? c) if anyone ever gets a chance to check out vernon reid and his "science project".......please do. i saw it 3/24 at the knitting factory, and it was by far one of the most bizarre things i've ever seen.....it's what i would have to call "progressive new york jazz-funk-rock"......it would take me forever to write about it, so i won't here.....just do it. d) anyone else get the second part of the renaissance king biscuit flower hour and hate it? the grandiose ryche review everyone who's anyone on the jam has to give: i like it. it's weird. it's very raw. it's soundgarden. it's very well done. degarmo (i'm assuming that's him) does a nioce job with leads on that one song. he cut his hair....he looks like weiland to me almost. geoff looks great with a teacup in his mouth......scott is a cocksucker!). but the music's good. i actually put away my marilyn and firestarter cd's to listen to ryche. not an album i could recommend to 1st-time ryche listeners- kinda like recommending an album like "duke" to 1st time genesis listeners or "the final cut" to floyd listeners. but yeah, good work. so how many people fucked their brackets up likewise? to think, i actually won my pool, that's how bad it got. and in the ladies bracket, i swept that up, even though i had tennessee losing to grambling in the 1st round. 27 days until the mothership lands in binghamton! peace. ytsegoon ********************************************************************** david yoichi kobayashi binghamton university email_address_removed "i bring truth and understanding, i bring wit and wisdom fair. precious gifts beyond compare." -n. peart "...i held with all my might- fearing my deepest fright, she walked into the night. she turned for one last look- she looked me in the eye. i said 'i love you...goodbye.'" -m. portnoy ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:09:35 -0500 From: "Kasper, Robert" To: "'Ytsejam'" Subject: Enough already!!! Message-ID: Ok, everyone. The last two 'Jams I h ave received have been almost completely full of senseless ranting about which country is smarter/sexier/cooler than the other. This type of political and nationalistic nonsense DOES NOT BELONG ON THE YTSEJAM!!! Take it to private email, and let's get back to talking about music! Rob "Everything is True. Even false things are True." Malaclypse the Younger, O.P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:18:56 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Ptacek To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2406 Message-ID: > From: Steffen Barabasch > Subject: stupid Americans? > Well, you give an excellent example. First you try to make us non- > Americans look stupid, then you quote half a Jam. ;-) I refuse to to allow my country to be judged by Scott Cook. :) > Please don't start a flame war now! You just did, pinhead. I spat the rest of my fire in private e-mail. :) - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:39:39 -0600 From: Jim Mitchell To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Education in YTSEJAM digest 2406 Message-ID: People are confusing higher education (college/university) which is fairly well regarded, with education in grades K-12. This "lower" education is where the studies say the US is ranked last (or very low) among industrialised nations. Jim Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:07:55 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" To: email_address_removed Subject: **ARIZONA** WILDCATS!! Message-ID: At 02:06 PM 3/31/97 -0800, you wrote: >so how many people fucked their brackets up likewise? to think, i actually >won my pool, that's how bad it got. and in the ladies bracket, i swept that >up, even though i had tennessee losing to grambling in the 1st round. Um, I go to UofA. :) 'nuff said. Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince If you're a heshian, headbangin' metalhead, check out: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~vgl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 97 18:17 EST From: Soul Madness To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Metallica Message-ID: I would like to know if this is a joke. I have 2 friends who after they find this out will be depressed forever. And furthermore, I thought Load was a great album and wanted more! MORE! Please tell me it is a joke!!! Don > > >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 12:24:11 Central Standard Time >From: "Francesco" >To: email_address_removed >Subject: Metallica retires? >Message-ID: > >This morning I heard on the radio that Metallica is forced to >break-up because of James condition with Tinnitus. It's so bad that >the ringing' in his ear is driving him insane. I can't imagine how >bad his condition is because I've got a slight case in one ear and >it gets annoying when its real quiet, especially at night. I feel >for him and the band, I hope that this will publicly expose the >awareness and dangers of loud music or sounds. > >James, Don't Fade to Black!!!!! Hold the Dream (FH) > >Francesco > > email_address_removed Warrior Soul Homepage (now featuring a Whats New section, a review with more to come, liner notes, lyrics, and info on rare CD singles) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784/ ------------------------------ Date: 31 Mar 97 18:16:46 EST From: "Scott D. Duren" To: YTSEJAM Subject: NEXT ALBUM?! Message-ID: I don't suppose anyone out there knows when the next Dream Theater album is scheduled to be released? (Please respond to email_address_removed - I am no longer on the JAM.) Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:26:22 -0500 From: MakTs To: "INTERNET:email_address_removed" Subject: YTSEJAM digest 2401 Message-ID: >>From: Jeremy Kube >>Subject: Gary is What? >>This came from the Van Halen list. Maybe Charlie Dominici isn't doing >>much and he can take over. >>>Pat Martin, a DJ here in Sacramento on 93 Rock who is normally pretty >>>reliable, said today his industry contacts said there's a strong rumor that >>>Gary Cherone is out as VH's lead singer. Martin said the band listened back >>>to the tapes and Cherone "wasn't cutting the mustard." He said to expect >>>official word soon, while at the same time stressing it was just a rumor. >>It's just my opinion, but might it be true that Gary Cerone is just too good >>for VH? His vocal strength is definately much better than Sammy's and >>Dave's. Just my opinion. Later, J You're so bloody right!!! (Nice to know I'm not alone!) Mak ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:31:43 EST From: email_address_removed (Scott Cook) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2406 Message-ID: > I refuse to to allow my country to be judged by Scott Cook. :) You're a fine one to talk Chris! During the fix for 96 debate you spew all kinds of shit but then justify buying Mike Bahr's CD's by saying "Since the band didn't try to stop it, then it was ok." Those words may not be exact, but they're pretty close. So I guess by your example you're saying it was alright for Hitler to kill miilions of Jews because when he started putting them in Ghettos no one really objected, that meant it was ok to kill them. Some morals you got there Chris! and when did I start living in the Unisted States of Ptacek? >> From: Steffen Barabasch >> Subject: stupid Americans? >> Well, you give an excellent example. First you try to make us non- >> Americans look stupid, then you quote half a Jam. ;-) I can't make anyone look stupid. they do that all by themselves. :) ******************************************************************** What do a nearsighted gynecologist and a puppy have in common? A wet nose! ******************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:35:20 EST From: email_address_removed (Scott Cook) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: **ARIZONA** WILDCATS!! Message-ID: Arizona Wildcats WILL beat those inbred rednecks in Kentucky. Why do you think the initials for Kentucky is KY? It must be a beastiality thing. ******************************************************************** What do a nearsighted gynecologist and a puppy have in common? A wet nose! ******************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:56:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric LaRue" To: email_address_removed Subject: Listening to new DT material-WHERE!!??!! Message-ID: On YTSEJAM 2404, someone said that they had listened to some of the new DT material. Where did he do it, and where can I go to hear it? Complete with burning guitars, bashed up drum sets and sealed with a kiss, Eric Paul LaRue "Take hold of the flame. Don't you see life's a game? So take hold of the flame. You've got nothing to lose, but everything to gain!" Queensr˙che-"Take Hold of the Flame" http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6289 "We're on a mission from God."-Blues Brothers --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 97 19:31:43 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2405 Message-ID: > be much better. And the only way the education system in the US will > ever > be improved is if more Americans wake up and realize that it needs a lot > of > improvement. As long as you think certain things in the US are > automatically great just because it happens to be the USA, those things > are > never going to be improved. Even though I'm a patriotic American (or perhaps BECAUSE I love my country), I must agree with much of this, and also add that I think the teacher's union is a big part of the problem in US public education. All teachers have to belong (and pay dues) whether they want to or not, and pretty much all the union does is try as hard as possible to fill its leader's pockets with cash. This, along with all the bullshit administration, does wonders for teacher morale, let me tell you (not to mention students'). It should also be noted, however, that literacy and employment should be viewed separately, because countries such as the Scandanavian ones that were mentioned basically guarantee every adult a job, many of which are for the government - kind of a large scale, permanent, bureaucratic Works Progress Admistration (for those of you familiar with Depression-era history in the US). -Brian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 20:05:37 -0600 From: Aaron Happe To: email_address_removed Subject: MTV Message-ID: Okay, here is my deal here. I am a big fan of music video's but they never seem t play anything good. Every once and a while a I will see a Guns N Roeses video but that is it. I think that we might have a chance to see some cool videos if ppl could email MTV and ask them to play some other shit. They used to have a Headbangers Ball a few years back that played DT a few times, they even had some of them on as a guest. I know it probly will not work but hey! its worth a try! SO PLEASE EMAIL THEM! I am really getting feed up with that crap that has been played lately. -Aaron Happe ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2407 **************************