YTSEJAM Digest 2374 Today's Topics: 1) Collective Soul by Jeremy Kube 2) Re: new thread possibly by imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg) 3) Metrop. info by email_address_removed 4) Re:DT vs. Megadeth live by email_address_removed (Evicerator) 5) Tickets by Ytse Jammer 6) In search of sound/respect? try humility by Jon Parmet 7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2373 by Andrew Forcier 8) info on dt items by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" 9) spelling by CLARK ABEL 10) LatM by Ryan Webb 11) by Kevin Madden 12) Fix CD Boot In Europe? by email_address_removed 13) Re: drain by Albert Balkiewicz 14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2373 by email_address_removed (Shane Liebling) 15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2373 by email_address_removed (Shane Liebling) 16) Still nobody home! by Ben Laussade ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:57:51 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Kube To: email_address_removed Subject: Collective Soul Message-ID: Much delayed album review: Collective Soul's Disciplined Breakdown. For those who read the review on the jam that this sounds like the last album, that's exactly right. Their sound overall hasn't changed I have to disagree with Andrew. The last album (I feel) wasn't as computer oriented as this one. This album seems to have a lot more programmed tracks in it. Including the drums. The drums don't sound real. They sound like a rapper did them. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy all of their past stuff but this one stood out like "hints and allegations" did. That was programmed too. I don't know if I would recommed this album to someone if it was the first time they had listened to CS. Just my $.02, Later, J ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:07:54 -0800 (PST) From: imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: new thread possibly Message-ID: > I just thought it would be cool for all people to write about the >coolest/funniest/most lame etc. stuff that has happened at DT gigs, > These are the events that I remember from the gig in Stockholm in Feb >1995 on the Awake-tour: First of all the band enters with PMU, and JLB gets >on stage and tries to start singing, but wtf!, the mike doesn't work, so he >starts fiddling with it, nothing happens, and he get like _PISSED_ and >throws the mike up into the light and it lands about an inch from the stage >manager who gets the shock of his life. Yeah, I remember reading about that in the paper. I was at the show in Malmo two days earlier (that would be Feb. 18th, for those of you who keep track of these things.) I can't remember what song it was, but it had to be one of their longer ones. Anyway, JLB had gone off stage as the rest of the guys were playing a long instrumental part, and as he made his way back to the microphone, JP decided to stand in his way. When JLB tried to move passed him, JP immediatley moved in the same direction, upon which JLB tried the other side and JP moved that way (well, you get the general idea). This caused JLB to miss the measure where he should start singing again, and they had to break out in some obscure improvised passage. When JLB finally made it to the mike, he looked really pissed. Well, this has been a lame telling of a lame story. For some good stories, try Denis Leary's "No Cure for Cancer". BTW, if anyone is thinking about going to Holland for the DT shows; THE TICKETS ARE SOLD OUT!!! (But I think Steve Vai will be playing in Nijemen on the 14th) oOo If a man could pass through Paradise in a dream, and have a flower presented to him as a pledge that his soul had really been there, and if he found that flower in his hand when he awoke - Aye, and what then? oOo Niklas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:34:50 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Metrop. info Message-ID: Please, I'd be very greatful if someone could e-mail me (RubyRube.aol.com) and explain the Mtropolis story to me. I am in love with the song (and the band) and I'm dying to know what its about....thx. --Adam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:28:31 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed (Evicerator) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re:DT vs. Megadeth live Message-ID: > >>As for DT blowing Megadeth off the stage, I'd have to say YES! I like >>Megadeth, but let's face it; they are pretty boring live. > >Well, I've never seen DT live personally I have several of their shows on video >and I saw Megadeth in concert in 1987 and I would say that both bands have about >the same stage prescence. Well, buds, 1987 was 10 years ago...and if you caught any of the last 'deth dates on the Reckoning Day Tour, you'd know that they DEFINETLY spiced up the segues inbetween songs and keep things moving at a pretty UN-boring pace if you ask me. With the new material (which *thouroughly* rocks [btw, "Trust" will be the first single, being released sometime in May. Not quite indicadive of the "back to our roots...kindof"-feel that they wanted to get across, but still a really cool tune]) I'm sure this next tour will be just as crazy if not more than what they've done in the past. As far as "choreography" of the shows, I have to admit that I enjoy the more "all business" style show such as bands like 'deth put on. 'tallica kinda stuff is corny...but I can't say that I don't like suprises ;) Laterz...and keep lookin' for that Zipper Pedal for me if you would ;) -Steve ==========================\\ "As a child, I thought I could live without pain; ,---,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,\ without sorrow. |\ /. |' | But as a man, I've found it's all caught up with ||. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | me . . .I'm alseep, yet I'm so afraid..." ||| . \ | -John Petrucci ||| . . \| \ ||| .,,,,,,,,,,/| ' ___ ___ _________ _________|\ |||< | | |V| /|.' />-. ,- >< | ||\\/,/ / , / |* ,,,,,,,. /. |/_\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ; '^_\_/ /--'___\- To: Ytsejam Subject: Tickets Message-ID: Hello, don't ask me why but now I have two extra tickets for the Noorderligt show on April, 15th. One ticket is for sale - 50 DM + postage -, the other ticket I'd like to trade for a ticket April, 16th. Please send me a mail, especially if you have a car: Perhaps we can work out the details for a trip to the Netherlands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Short note for the german Jammers : Tja, jetzt habe ich zwei Tickets ueber, denn der Fahrer ist abgesprungen. Falls jemand am 15. April mit dem Auto nach Tilburg faehrt und noch die Moeglichkeit besteht, mich mitzunehmen, sollten wir die Einzelheiten mgl. bald per e-mail oder persoenlich besprechen. Das Ticket wird dann natuerlich entsprechend billiger. read'ya soon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:43:35 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: email_address_removed Subject: In search of sound/respect? try humility Message-ID: Local (MA) jammers: Found a small used CD place in Jamaica Plain (just past where the Centre and So. Huntington fork comes together). There's some interesting jems (YES import from Milan, some *old* Judas Priest, Dead Can Dance to name a few) that might be of interest to some. I picked up a disc by Acoustic Alchemy called Aracanum for $7.95. I've heard 'em before on the airwaves and was impressed. I have to say the disc was well worth it. An electric, a steel string, a nylon string and a bass guitar combine for a very clean sound. It combines jazz, fusion, reggae, latin and is what I would consider progressive. The nylon is very DiMeola-ish at times :) I would strongly suggest this for any guitarists out there looking for progressions that have a lot of soul oozing out. Note, though, this is not hard edged. Also, headed over to Strawberries on Mem Drive. This place is chock full of Fates' discs!!!! Perhaps not for long though :) I picked up Chasing Time for $12 and an old YellowJackets disc. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > From: "Mark Fitchett" > He seems a really nice guy as well as being very talented and I commend him for > the job he has so far done, Well, having spoken to him briefly after the Strand show (to mention that the sound man needed to turn the keyboard volume up :), I'll confirm that he is, in fact, a nice guy! But you all already knew that, right guys/gals? :) > having to live up to someone else (something Kevin did not have to do) Only for those that need to pin him in that role. I just don't happen to look at it that way. At the Toronto clinic, somebody brought up the issue of Kevin's departure. Mike addressed it just fine and I content to leave it at that without having to re-interpret it. It's tough (impossible?) to completely let go of that of first love :) Hey, at least Kevin is still out there doing stuff! > and seemingly not losing his head (Some of the shit printed concernig him would > certainly upset me if I were he). Well, I imagine he understands the audience he's dealing with. "Uh, Waiter? Another grain of salt, please :)" > Looking forward to the new DT CD You know it! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > From: Mark Bredius > It's just uninteresting for Dream Theater fans, because no one even *mentions* > them here. Oh, but they do, if you know where to look. Stop dwelling on what you don't want to see start and producing what you do want to see. Just because the whole box ain't full of raisins doesn't mean the few in there are bad :) > We should be going for quality, not quantity. If you don't > have anything interesting to say, don't say it. There ya go! Fact is, uninteresting things (to some) WILL continue to be said. I prefer "if someone says something that not interesting (to you), don't reply to it" > Your opinion becomes irrelevant if you can't back it up with a valid reason. Valid is in the mind of the validator :) However, my opinion is always valid :):) It's an opinion. Let it be!! > Mark, a 26-year old guy from Rotterdam who can't shut the fuck up. but who makes some excellent points! Regards, Jon *------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | email_address_removed | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------* If I'd started from the top, And worked my way down There'd be no reason, To live forever To live forever - Dream Theater ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:56:43 -0800 From: Andrew Forcier To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2373 Message-ID: Hello, Someone who shall remain nameless wrote about my brief spelling correction: >I am not an english major and neither are 99% of the other jammers. So >chill man. The point got across. Hmmm... I need to chill, eh? My note on the matter took up one paragraph of four sentences in a post with considerable musical content. Yours was considerably larger with no such content. Mine was meant to help, yours was meant to flame. "I" need to chill? I'm sending an iceberg your way buddy. Next time I'll just let people go on doing it wrong so when they write it for their boss some day, he can get a real good laugh at it... >I am writing quickly so I can post >down all of my thoughts and share them with fellow jammers. Fine, I do the same thing. It's hitting "send" quickly that I don't do. If you take a minute or two to re-read your post, you may find that thoughts come across much clearer in coherent sentences. Your post, by the way, was just such: a coherent one. If I get a few lines into a post and get confused by the person's writing, I give it one more shot, then give up. Therefore, the thoughts don't make it to this fellow jammer. My loss I guess... >Like some teacher is going to slap you on the hand >with a ruler 5 times because you spelled something wrong. Obviously he did not go to Catholic school...:) Just remember that everyone here is trying to give an educated opinion. All I'm trying to do is help. You didn't yell at your grade school teacher for telling you kat was spelled cat, did you? Oh, gee! I guess I do need to chill...:) Andrew "I'm sick of all you HYPOCRITES, holding me at bay..." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:16:22 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds Subject: info on dt items Message-ID: hey guys, can anyone tell me anything about the Another day Maxi CD single with AFIL and AD live on it? i'm also looking for some info on the Images and Words as Madonna true blue.. like, wtf was it, a disc printing error where I&W was printed onto a madonna disc or something? scary thought :) ~Rip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:30:51 -0400 (EDT) From: CLARK ABEL To: email_address_removed Subject: spelling Message-ID: >Fine, I do the same thing. It's hitting "send" quickly that I don't do. >If you take a minute or two to re-read your post, you may find that >thoughts come across much clearer in coherent sentences. Your post, by > I get my email through my school, and the word processing, if you can even call it that, that is available to us is very limiting. Once I enter a line, it's in, unless I want to retype the whole damn letter. I suspect that this is why a lot of posts have bad errors. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:30:49 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Webb To: email_address_removed Subject: LatM Message-ID: I found an on-line site with Live at the Marquee and WDADU on their clearance page. LatM is 13.99 (usually about 18.00) and WDADU is also 13.99. The URL is: http://www.webcreations.com/jart/ for those of you who are interested. Go to the Clearance page to find these. They also have the Live in Tokyo Video, for 19.99. Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:35:56 -0800 From: Kevin Madden To: gborland@apsoft.co.uk Cc: email_address_removed Message-ID: I wrote, and Graham responded: >> but I owe them NOTHING. They have my dollar. I have their product. > >No. If you're bootlegging, then: > > They do not have your dollar. You have their product. > >Do you think this is fair? > >Graham Ah, but I don't have the product. And I am not bootlegging. I was speaking more in general about how everyone insists we owe something to the band. I don't think people should boot the shows, not because they asked us not to, but because it's not the right thing to do. GO WINGS! Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:12:19 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Fix CD Boot In Europe? Message-ID: Hi Friends - Someone mentioned the rumor that a Fix for '96 CD Boot already exists in Europe. Just out of curiosity, can anyone definitely confirm or deny its existence? I was just wondering... Thanks! - Matt T. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:35:00 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: drain Message-ID: > > > but Drain is definitely killer. > >Very heavy and chunky, and all the members are female (not > >that it means anything). The vocals are very good with > >good harmonies, the rhythm is intense - the musicianship > >isn't Dream Theater-esque or anything, but it's just straight > >up and in-your-face stuff. > > Could this be the Swedish band DRAIN? With the album "Horror wrestling"? If > so, I would just like to warn everyone that they sound very much like Alice > In Chains (not necessarily a bad thing). > yes, the album is "horror Wrestling". The vocals sound like AiC (female vocals going thru heavy distortion/overmodulation) but the actual music is heavier and chunkier.... Just thought I'd throw that in so people don't buy this album cuz of the AiC factor (and I *know* there are people like that out there....) -Al -- @#%^$#%^#$&#%%$&#$%^#$%^#$%&#$%^&#$%^&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%^&%$ | | | See me gone and persevere.... | | Condescending when you label me Judas.... | | | #$%^#%&#%^$*%&*^&*%&(%^&(%^&*(%^&*(*%^&*$^&*#^%&#^*$%^&*#%^&*#$%& | Al Balkiewicz SEND MAIL HERE -->balkiewi @ njmsa.umdnj.edu | | OR HERE! --->DA_PROF @ BIGFOOT.COM | %@#$^@#$^@^%%$&#$&^*$%&*$&*$%^$&$%^&$%^*$^%&*$%^&*$%^*$%^&%$^&%$% ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:26:22 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Shane Liebling) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2373 Message-ID: >If the new material is "top secret" and not ment for their core fan base to >hear. Than why have a "FIX" mini tour? With all the points made in the >last week, I still can't figure out why they didn't want those shows >taped. Why were only a portion of fans allowed to hear it ? (east coast >fans) I would love to hear a little more detail as to why, from an >"official" source close to the band. I just wanted to comment on a good point made here. I am a DT fan, but fate has dealt me the hand of living on the west coast. Now this puts me in a pretty lame position. I love DT, hell like most of you I listen to at least one DT song a day (I don't even want to say how long LATM has been in my player) but it always kinda puts me out hearing about the clinics, the shows, and whatnot that happens on the east coast. I would love to go to some of John's guitar clinics, hell I could use the help, I would even go to MIke's ones also just cause I love his drum work, and God knows I would go to the shows, but I am not able to. I know it sounds like I am bitchin, but I am just voicing my opinions about my inability to be what some people on the list call a "true DT fan." I don't believe any of that crap mind you but I will say I do have a boot or two of theirs and I love how they sound live, I just wish I could see them live instead of just hearing it or reading about how cool they were at their shows. -Shane ______________________________________________________________________________ I Shane Liebling I You can call me Kennedy, you may have I I email_address_removed I killed him, but you cannot kill me. I I http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi I - Spock's Beard "The Light" I I____________________________________I_______________________________________I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:42:19 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Shane Liebling) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2373 Message-ID: >In my CD player:Paraphernalia/FM >In my LD player:Evangelion Genesis 0:10 Not only do you have good taste in music, you have good taste in anime! Not bad at all. -Shane ______________________________________________________________________________ I Shane Liebling I You can call me Kennedy, you may have I I email_address_removed I killed him, but you cannot kill me. I I http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi I - Spock's Beard "The Light" I I____________________________________I_______________________________________I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:47:57 -0800 From: Ben Laussade To: email_address_removed Subject: Still nobody home! Message-ID: >What The hell does that mean, "Don't dislike music because you think people wantyou to dislike it" ? It means something to the effect of..."Don't dislike music because you think people want you to dislike it." i.e., everybody hates country, so I think I'll hate country too. >You're a fucking idiot. I wish. Bafu never inducted me. >Read what I wrote. I already did. >I'm not even going to respond to this. heh. Guess what, muh man. You already did. >Your posts are funny sometimes, but I guess this is >what happens when you actually try to think. I never try to think. >But if everyone agrees that the definition >of "prog" is that the bands keep changing their sound, then my question is >this: can a band be progressive on its first album? Why divide a band's musical progression through albums? Songs on all the DT albums, for instance, weren't all written at the same time. For one album, the way to discern progressive from nonprogressive is if it encompasses more than one style. >And how can someone say something "sounds kind of proggy" if the word only >means that it all sounds different. I still say that this definition includes >every band on the face of the planet except maybe ACDC. LOL. AC/DC. :) But, take...um...Fates Warning for instance. Just counting their latest two albums, Parallels and Inside Out. We all refer to them as prog...even though both of those albums sound (IMO) very similar stylistically. Those albums may not fit my definition of prog...but they don't fit into any other known musical genre. Maybe we should come up with another term for bands that write complexly and have odd times and great talent...or just make progressive have a double meaning...those who's sounds change over time, and those who aren't afraid to be different. BTW, most bands are progressive...just some a lot more than others. I could probably say that I only like progressive music and not be lying, but classical music could be a possilbe exception to that...I'm not in the mood to think about how that could be progressive or not. :) And believe me, I like a LOT of music. Another BTW...that first reply was not meant as a flame. I use the word 'dumbass' as a term of endearment. Buhbye. Ben Laussade isn't wearing any pants. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2374 **************************