YTSEJAM Digest 2371 Today's Topics: 1) Fix Boots by David Sabetai 2) Re: Why? Why Not? by "Lauren Glenn" 3) DT CDs, Tim Lodge. by Pat Griffin 4) New version of RQ's CD Player 0.925 by "Lauren Glenn" 5) Re: Fix Boots by "KorgX3" 6) Hello?! by Ben Laussade 7) Re: [Fwd: Enjoy!] by wally 8) Fix, JP Guitar Playing, etc. by email_address_removed 9) Funniset things by email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) 10) by Jaime Kimpton 11) Drumming Stan??? by Erik Stearns 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2370 by email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) 13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2370 by email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) 14) a simple expiriment by Kevin Hammer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 03:01:08 +0000 From: David Sabetai To: email_address_removed Subject: Fix Boots Message-ID: <19970320030106.AAA12289@LOCALNAME> >This is bullshit. If DT didn't want the songs heard, they shouldn't have >played them. They know how obsessive/compulsive their fans are, especially >ytsejammers. Are you saying that DT should not have done the Fix for '96 shows? I am not lucky enough to live in the NY/NJ area. I just have to put up with all those damned NY/NJ transplants down in Miami. ;) DT made a nice gesture to the fans by doing Notheast and the Europe mini-tours, which they did not have to. The least we could do is reciprocate and respect their wishes. (Read the following in your favorite evangelist's voice) But I must admit that I have faced TEMPTATION, AND I have seen the YTSE-ANGEL and the YTSE-DEVIL on my shoulders. The angel saying, "Be respectful of DT and wait for the official release of the new material." The devil saying, "Go for it, offer those people with Fix boots anything ... INCLUDING YOUR SOUL!!!" BUT I have RESISTED the YTSE-DEVIL and have REACHED OUT to the YTSE-ANGEL and all I can say for those whose SOULS are TEMPTED to to follow the EVIL and IMMORAL ways of the YTSE-DEVIL, on their shoulder is, "Better to save the mystery than surrender the secret" (Stepping down down from the podium) The ytse-Reverend Isaac ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:06:45 -0500 From: "Lauren Glenn" To: Subject: Re: Why? Why Not? Message-ID: > I'm an admitted Closet Anarchist. I don't believe in causing direct harm > to others but when someone tells me not to do something I need to be told > why I shouldn't do it. 'Just because' doesn't cut the mustard. 'Just because' is going to have to do. You don't need to know why you shouldn't do it. If you distribute them, Dream Theater are probably not going to play songs for us in the future before they release. So go and enjoy distributing the bootlegs because it's probably the last time you'll get the opportunity. > > Yes, we were asked not to distribute Fix Boots, but unless I'm given a > really good reason why I shouldn't actively pursue the aformentioned, I > see no reason why I shouldn't. Having copies of The Album prior to it's > release does The Band no disservice. True, it spoils the Surprise for No, just disrespect. Lauren ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 21:28:30 -0600 (CST) From: Pat Griffin To: ThE NuGgeTjAm Subject: DT CDs, Tim Lodge. Message-ID: I just got my copies of InstruMENTAL I and III the other day from Tim Lodge. Good Stuff. I had heard I before (got a dub from my GF), but this is the first I have heard of III. The music is great. The quality of the source is alright, although it is a bit muffled and sometimes it fades a little. The only thing I can say is be prepared for a shock when the vocals come in. I have heard Chris Collins before, but his singing still frightens me (and any animals in a 12 block radius). For those who have not had the misfortune of hearing Collins sing, this may help. Picture a cat with a cordless mic headset on. Now picture that same cat, secured to a bungee cord by his testicles and dropped from the Sears Tower. Now try to imagine what it would take to make you cringe once you are used to hearing that cat screech every time he reaches the end of the cord. *That* sound is probably still better than Chris' vocals. Much Better. :) But as usual, the music is great, and worth getting the disc for. You can get to Tim's CD page through the DT homepage. Be patient, it does take a while for him to get the CDs to you, but they're pretty good. =20 h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality=B2 Design | | email_address_removed email_address_removed | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:57:50 -0500 From: "Lauren Glenn" To: Subject: New version of RQ's CD Player 0.925 Message-ID: Hello. I've been working on updating Robert's program (with his permission, of course) for the past few months and it's finally finished. All future versions will be done by me, so you can visit my homepage for updates. If anyone is interested in obtaining the newest version of RQ's CD Player, e-mail me. If you'd like more information, go to my homepage at http://pw2.netcom.com/~l_glenn/index.html or http://pw1.netcom.com/~l_glenn/index.html if net traffic gets too congested. It won't be downloadable from an FTP site until next week when I can get it uploaded to WinSite. With the 1MB limit on Netcom WWW pages, I can't put the program there so this is the only option for me. Let me know if you want just the executable or need the whole installation program. If you get just the executable, you must have had a previous version installed to run the program. Lauren ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:57:13 +0000 From: "KorgX3" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Fix Boots Message-ID: > BUT I have RESISTED the YTSE-DEVIL and have REACHED OUT to the > YTSE-ANGEL and all I can say for those whose SOULS are TEMPTED to to follow > the EVIL and IMMORAL ways of the YTSE-DEVIL, on their shoulder is, "Better > to save the mystery than surrender to the secret" Oh, my God, that was beautiful! I don't think anyone here could have expressed it any better with that line itself. Woo! Woo! I gotta get a life... KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore) http://www.webspawner.com/users/KorgX3 email_address_removed "Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to." --David Arkenstone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:24:56 -0800 From: Ben Laussade To: email_address_removed Subject: Hello?! Message-ID: > I've been meaning to write about this for a long, long time. I think that >the definition that some people on this list use for the word "progressive" >are just absurd. Many people have said lately that we have to expect DT and >QR to change their sound from album to album, since this is the very definition >of prog, and not to change would be hideously un-proggy. Hey dumbass...go look up the word "progressive" in the dictionary. We didn't make it up. >Well guess what? >Metallica is progressive. Pearl Jam, from what I've heard on this list >recently, is progressive. Megadeth? Progressive. Van Halen? They're so >progressive, they keep changing singers so no one will call them regressive. Yes, yes they are. They don't sound like anybody else. >This is ridiculous. So is being a prog fan without knowing what prog is. >Frankly, at the risk of pissing everyone off, I get the >impression lately that alot of people here (certainly not everyone) just use >the word prog to signify this sacred form of music that is superior to all >others, but in fact these people just like it the same way others like country, >alternative, whatever. Duh. A country fan could give us at LEAST as good of an argument as we could on why our respective music is better than theirs. It's just that different people like different music, don't sweat it. Don't dislike music because you think people want you to dislike it. It sucks. You talk down as if only lesser beings like country or alternative. I like both..and we all know how great I am, dammit! >>Uh huh, yep. I got two more pubes today. *WOOHOO!* >> >> >>Ben Laussade > >hey ben! glad to have ya back! ;) I always get quoted on the most profound things. >"I've written some of my best parts on the toilet, the acoustics > are great." Heh heh heh. I do different things with MY parts when I'M on the toilet. >stuff that has happened at DT gigs, and I >don't mean, you know you picked your nose for the first time and it tasted >great, or something, add some DTC! Don't be dissin my boogers, biotch! Later :-) Ben Laussade isn't wearing any pants. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:12:16 -0800 From: wally To: email_address_removed Cc: Art Bell , Bruno Lartigue , Subject: Re: [Fwd: Enjoy!] Message-ID: Does anyone know how to get off this list? I've tried for months. Wally At 08:55 PM 3/19/97 -0800, you wrote: >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >--------------52E679332E67 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Don't laugh too hard now. > >Erik Stearns. > >-- >An Open mind is the thriving of a society while >the closed mind is the downfall of the same. >For in Saroks's words, "The spear in the others's >heart is the spear in your own. 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I want to thank the rest of you kind jammerz out there who set me straight a few jams ago. I am sorry that I promoted the thought of others making a CD boot of one of the Fix gigs. In my fit of joy and fanaticism, I overlooked the fact that, well... the band basically asked us not to. Whether you are pro-bootlegging (which I am) or anti-, it shouldn't matter for the simple reason that the band kindly asked us to refrain. They have been remarkably lenient with bootlegging in the past, even supportive to an extent, and I certainly would not want to jeopardize future bootlegging endeavors. I mean, I'll bet that the band would not care as much once an album is released, so why not wait until then to make a CD boot? For me personally, the issue is not completely concerning the new material (although it SMOKES - I wuz at the first Fix show!) so much as it is the way they changed around the old material! The way they interwove pieces of ACOS, and the way they threw in new "jam" parts in at least 3 tunes, and the way they TOTALLY reworked CIAW... they are the main reasons why I want the whole show on CD. I say, just wait until an album comes out, then release a CD boot of an entire show. (You paying attention, Mike B.? :-) ) 'Nuff said about that. Now, onto another issue that's been eating away at me for a couple of days, now. I don't have the actual post in front of me so I'm winging it here. Someone had said in a previous jam that while JP's guitar playing was amazing from a technical point of view, he lacks "soul". (I think that was the right term.) Whoa!!! This threw me for a loop. I totally disagree with this, IMHO. Now, let me point out that I'm not a guitar player (except for the occasional air-guitar), so maybe there is some evidence supporting this argument. All I can go by is how his playing makes me feel. I can honestly say that JP has the rare ability to, at times, hit notes that cut to the very core of me and move me nearly to tears. I think that he plays with more emotion than any other guitar player I've heard. Another who was able to do this to me was Criss Oliva (rest in peace, my man... your music lives on in my heart.) I was just very surprised to see that some people doubt JP's emotion in playing. Finally, (I know this is getting long) a couple of DT "incidents" at some of the shows I have attended... at my very first show (and one of the very first on the I&W tour), some scantidly(sp?)-dressed female in the front row grabbed hold of KJL's silk shirt and nearly dragged him into the crowd. A good balancing act seemed to be the only thing saving him that night. Also, at another gig, I saw KJL get into a VERY heated argument with somebody on their bus. The door was shut and the angle wasn't that good, so I couldn't hear what wuz said or who it wuz being said to, but I could read lips, and whoboy, someone wuz getting an earful. As near as we could guess, he was laying into a pizza delivery guy (no joke)... I can hear it now: "Where's the F**king Mush-F**king-rooms, you slimy f**king prick?!?" Heh heh heh... funny stuff. That's all for now, Jammerz. Peace! -Matt T. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:07:10 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) To: email_address_removed Subject: Funniset things Message-ID: > I just thought it would be cool for all people to write about the >coolest/funniest/most lame etc I only saw them once; and when they played "FORTUNE in LIES", JLB forgot the words and sung the verses out of sequence. (Does he usually do this?) J.Keifling ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:08:23 -0500 From: Jaime Kimpton To: email_address_removed Message-ID: Kevin wrote: << Jaime the Defensive Dragon said: >> I'm not being defensive, I'm stating the facts. The band asked us not to tape the Fix shows. I heard it from the horse's mouth (Portnoy) in November, in fact. People went ahead and did it anyway, going so far as to publicly sell and/or trade them, and as far as I'm concerned, that's just not kosher. << I don't think DT is going to stop touring or making records (that is: making a living) because some idiots bootleg their show. >> Perhaps not, but bootlegging can be a very real financial hazard, and it is a blatant violation of copyright laws that were instituted for a very good reason. With regard to privileges, they didn't have to play the Fix shows. They didn't have to premiere some of the songs at clinics. They could very well have let us all suffer til the CD did finally come out. It was awful damn nice of them to do that for us. In this respect, you DO *owe* it to them to follow the one wee little request of not taping the shows. << At the end of the day we buy a product which DT happens to be selling. >> Last time I checked, DT isn't selling anything right now... which does not give anyone leave to take up where they left off, against their wishes. << A simple business transaction. People have argued that bands "owe" the fans nothing (see: metallica, queensryche), and that they should only be true to their artistic selves. No problem, but *that* knife cuts both ways. >> Boy, you're cynical. And I thought I was bad. You may not "owe" them anything, but you're sure as hell showing them a lot of disrespect << I like the music DT produces, I respect their musical talents, but I owe them NOTHING. They have my dollar. I have their product. end of story. >> You (generally speaking) OWE them not to tape their music (or buy it from those who did) when they specifically asked that you NOT do this thing. It is *their* material, not yours, legally copyrighted, you are legally reprehensible, and therefore they have every right to ask this thing of you. THAT is the end of the story. It's a good thing you people don't like bands like Def Leppard, who have a reputation for 4 years between CDs. 2 years is about the *average* amount of time between CDs, and it's barely been 2.5 since _Awake_ was released, 1.5 since _ACoS_ was released. Blueballs, indeed.... Jaime the Dragon -- email_address_removed "This has been a test of the Emergency Savior System. If it had been a real emergency, your chosen deity would have contacted you immediately. This is only a test. -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:43:58 -0800 From: Erik Stearns To: YTSEJAM Subject: Drumming Stan??? Message-ID: Anyone heard from him??? I tried contacting him at his email addy and I got my message bounced back. Does he still exist? Erik. -- An Open mind is the thriving of a society while the closed mind is the downfall of the same. For in Saroks's words, "The spear in the others's heart is the spear in your own. You are he." -- From the "Freedom" Speech to Larion's Congress Erik Stearns Starblazer Enterprises Inc. 3201 Duval Road #1422 Austin, TX 78759 (512)719-1252 Fax: (512) 719-1066 mailto:email_address_removed http://www.starblazer.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 01:14:07 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2370 Message-ID: >>How can I join the Ytse Jam Mailinglist? Why the Hell would you want to do that? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 01:16:51 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Jeff Keifling) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2370 Message-ID: >The Deep Purple show yesterday was AMAZING! Those guys rule! >Steve Morse is an awesome player When did Steve Morse join Deep Purple? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:17:03 -0600 From: Kevin Hammer To: email_address_removed Subject: a simple expiriment Message-ID: Ok, here is a something for all of you to try. Preporation: Step 1: Get a piece of paper, and write on it your 3 favorite bands. Step 2: Write your favorite album by each band next to their name. Step 3: List the albums in orfer of release date. Imagine that you have never heard these albums in your life. Listen to the first album on your list, but pretend that it's a band you've never heard of. Listen to this as if it were the 1st album of some imaginary band. Listen to this album over and over. "Hey, cool. This band rocks. This is just the kind of music I listen to, ect..." Now, after listening to this album a few times, imagine that this imaginary band makes a 2nd album. Listen to the second album on your list, and again pretend that you've never heard it, but also pretend it's from the same imaginary band that made the other album. "WTF? This sounds nothing like the last album. This isn't what I was expecting at all. Man I'm pissed. Why can't they write stuff that sound like their last album. Well, now that I've heard it a few times, this stuff is sort of cool in a different way. Wow, this band has talent, they can kick ass in more than one style. They've got variety. This band rules!" Finaly, listen to the imaginary bands 3rd release. "This just SUCKS! Man, the last two albums were both great, but what happened to these guys. They sound so different. They SOLD OUT! I hate this album. I'm never going to listen to it again. This band really dissapointed me. I mean, listen to the other two albums and compare it to this one. These guys suck now. Why don't they just do what the fans want and make albums that sound the same?" Sound famillier? My point? Lighten up! There's lots of kinds of cool music, and you can only do so much in any style before wanting to move on and develope in a new direction. So, if your favorite band sounds different on their next album, maybe it's because they wanted to try something new. You don't have to like it, but don't dislike it just because it sounds different. Try listening to the new stuff as if it was your first time to hear the group, and instead of compareing it to their older stuff, just decide if you like it or not. Maybe you still won't like it, but maybe you'll see it differently and like it after all. Just a thought, sorry to take up your time :) kevin hammer ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2371 **************************