YTSEJAM Digest 2370 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Here we go again!! by Mark Bredius 2) DT Mailinglist by Symbolic@worldaccess.nl (Ewald Janssen) 3) Bad Traders - a fresh question by Mark Metzger 4) Just think... by email_address_removed (Mark Lampert) 5) the wonderful world of PRIVATE EMAIL by matt rosin 6) A good, old-fashioned business transaction gone sour by Kevin Madden 7) Deep Purple, New thread (some DTC) by email_address_removed.br 8) Dream Theater by Cygnus 9) Re: Why? Why Not? by "KorgX3" 10) Shirt order: Joshua Rosiel by Pat Griffin 11) Re: A good, old-fashioned business transaction gone sour by "KorgX3" 12) [Fwd: Enjoy!] by Erik Stearns 13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2369 by Chris Ptacek 14) Re: DT Mailinglist by "KorgX3" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 21:13:28 +0100 From: Mark Bredius To: "'The YtseSpam'" Subject: Re: Here we go again!! Message-ID: Scott Cook said : > Itchy Scratched: > >> If you don't have anything interesting to say, don't say it. > > Practice what you preach! I'm not exactly the most frequent poster on this list. I don't post random bullshit just because I feel like it. Last month, I posted eight times... Most of those posts were DT petition updates (amount of votes). My other posts are usually about my Ytsejam MFP/domain-list or the Ytsejam Birthday Calendar. And of course I can't shut up when some asshole trashes Marillion for no good reason :) When I complain about the quality of the Ytsejam (or lack thereof) it's because I care about Dream Theater, and this list just doesn't phuqin' do them justice. I can honestly say I'm not proud to be a Ytsejammer. I'm just here in case some interesting piece of DT information ends up on this list. Apart from the occasional update from Neil Elliot, I'm not holding my breath... >> 6. Before posting, ask yourself if anyone's interested in reading >> what you have to say. Don't post for the sake of posting. > > Sounds good to me. By the way, did you read this before you > posted it? You sure found it interesting enough to read and respond to it :-) I expected this kind of comment from YOU, hence 8. >> 8. If you're posting under the name "MAMALOOKABOOBOODAY", >> please do *not* respond to this message. Of course you didn't listen, but I didn't expect you to. > If you don't want the King of all Mailing Lists (aka > MAMALOOKABOOBOODAY) responding to your posts then don't > post them. King of all Mailing Lists ? Mark _________________________________Pager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/301180__ All of us get lost in the darkness _ _____ ___ _ _ _ _ Dreamers learn to steer by the stars [=][_===_]/==_][=\_/=][=]_[=] All of us do time in the gutter RUSH | | [ ] ( (_ | _ | \ / Dreamers turn to look at the cars THE PASS [_/ [_/ \___][_/ \_] [__/ email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ http://www.globalxs.nl/home/b/bredius/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:09:36 GMT From: Symbolic@worldaccess.nl (Ewald Janssen) To: email_address_removed Subject: DT Mailinglist Message-ID: Hello, How can I join the Ytse Jam Mailinglist? Greetings, Ewald Janssen. symbolic@worldaccess.nl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:23:57 -0500 From: Mark Metzger To: "'(Ytsejam)'" Subject: Bad Traders - a fresh question Message-ID: Not coming through on a commitment is one thing. People should establish guidelines beforehand if it is a really a big deal to them BUT what is the common protocol when a trade was satisfied and the goods (really) got lost in the mail. This stuff (aka shit) really happens. Later, Mark Metzger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:21:19 -0600 From: email_address_removed (Mark Lampert) To: Subject: Just think... Message-ID: Ahoy mates, Just think... one glorious day you'll login to your isp and check your mail as usual.... about 4 to 5 Ytsejams will appear in your mail account... and whoopdedoo, you'll start reading them. While skimming through the subject lines, one will say something to the tune of "DT RELEASE DATE!!!!!!!!!!" and you will proceed to engage in a fit of uncontrolled urination right where you sit. From that day forward, for at least half a year to come, you will have to hire some poor slob to download, organize, and summarize your emails for you because you will be getting, oh... say 15 to 20 a day because everyone will be posting posting posting away. Soon you will recieve a call from your ISP and they'll say, "Look here you little punk, I don't know what it is you think you're doing, but you've overloaded our mail server. Keep this up and we'll kill your account." And you'll tell them about the new DT album thats coming out or has already come out, and they'll say, "Oh, well, that's understandable then. Sorry for the inconvenience kind and noble sir. Have an excellent day indeed!" On that day I'll got down to the hardware store, purchase some materials, and construct a Majesty logo sculpture in DT's honor right down to all the other fucked up sculptures at the good ol Houston Intercontinental Airport, where everyone will drive by and say, "Hey, uh, that's pretty cool." ท • Colonel Mustard • ท ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:26:40 -0600 (CST) From: matt rosin To: email_address_removed Subject: the wonderful world of PRIVATE EMAIL Message-ID: >Subject: Reply to Satu's post > >I sent this to Satu also but since her letter was sent to the I think I have a >right to reply to it on the jam, just like she had the right to say what she >did. damn it, can we PLEASE keep this shit to PRIVATE EMAIL?!?! just because someone else send something to the list doesn't mean that you need to take it as an excuse to defend your honor to everybody on the list. nobody wants to listen to you go back and forth about who did what. PLEASE keep this hit between you two, especially since neither of you apparently know a thing about the other or what actually happened. sort it out between yourselves.... i think it's about time for skadz to make a polite request to the list to keep personal tirades and retributions off the jam, as needs to be done periodically when people start to forget... skadz?... -matt. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ m a t t r o s i n / email_address_removed s u r r e a l i t y / http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape/ darketherealambient / po box 864, college station, tx 77841-0864 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:37:03 -0800 From: Kevin Madden To: An independant DT publication Subject: A good, old-fashioned business transaction gone sour Message-ID: Jaime the Defensive Dragon said: > They didn't HAVE to play the Christmas shows >or premiere unfinished versions of songs at clinics. Those are privileges. >Abuse those privileges, and they can be whisked away. The band's been good >to us thus far -- so don't push our collective luck. > So you are saying it was a privilege to *spend* money to get into Birch Hill? It was a privilege to be packed in the club like Dolly Parton's tits into her bra? I respect DT as much as the next guy (maybe not as much as the guy after him, though), but I have a hard time seeing someone doing me a favor by selling me a product. I don't thank the guy at Taco Bell for taking my money; they thank me for spending it *there*. I don't think DT is going to stop touring or making records (that is: making a living) because some idiots bootleg their show. I have no boot of this, nor do I really want one, but sometimes I don't understand this misplaced loyalty. At the end of the day we buy a product which DT happens to be selling. A simple business transaction. People have argued that bands "owe" the fans nothing (see: metallica, queensryche), and that they should only be true to their artistic selves. No problem, but *that* knife cuts both ways. I like the music DT produces, I respect their musical talents, but I owe them NOTHING. They have my dollar. I have their product. end of story. Chris P. wrote: > > This list is not made as a convenience for you to break the band's >trust in all of our names. Don't drag us down with you just because >you're too fucking lazy to click cut and paste. It doesn't matter what we >say here on the jam... you're going to do these boots anyways... that's >VERY clear. But DO NOT use the jam to advertise this. The friggin' band >reads this! The band has trust in our names? Who could be so naive, to borrow a phrase? The jam is not sponsered by the band. They do not pay Skadz a salary as far as I know. I repeat, I owe the band *nothing*. I can use the jam for whatever purpose I choose, to a certain extent. I do not sell boots; this is irrelevant. BUT...so the band reads this. So what? Just because they produce high-quality music does not entitle them to any respect on a personal level, only a professional one. If I meet the guys, and they turn out to be good people, and worthy of additional personal respect, fine, but I am not going to worship someone because he or she is good at his or her profession. Do you worship me? Do I worship any of you? No. Good Night. GO WINGS! Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:54:52 -0300 From: email_address_removed.br To: email_address_removed Subject: Deep Purple, New thread (some DTC) Message-ID: Hi there! The Deep Purple show yesterday was AMAZING! Those guys rule! Steve Morse is an awesome player, as all the others. Ian Paice kicks lots of asses, that guy rocks! They even played a famous brazilian song during the show... :) About that guy who wanted to start a thread about the things that happened at DT gigs (sorry, I'm horrible with names :) ): NO! Please don't make us more anxious than we already are to see DT! :) They've never come here, and I really hope they come to South America in the next tour. []'s Marcelo Vanzin Sใo Paulo - Brasil email_address_removed.br email_address_removed http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ อออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออ DarkStar Multimidia BBs Telnet: dks.com.br Fone +55 011 870-1888 Internet, Gameconection, Games, ShareWare Fone/Fax +55 011 870-3444 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:04:31 -0600 (CST) From: Cygnus To: email_address_removed Subject: Dream Theater Message-ID: Someone I know told me how when venturing into a used CD store, DT was playing in the background. What a wonderful experience. Just trying to throw a bit of DTC on the jam. Fix for 96 boots - just say no. I want to hear it as much as the next fan, but I know I won't regret it when I pop in their new album for the first time. I still remember being blown away by the intro to PMU on I&W and being kicked in the face (in a good way) with the drum intro to 6:00. But I suppose this is a matter of opinion. I wouldn't want to disrespect the band though. Especially not on the very jam we pay tribute to them on. ***Rob*** email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:53:46 +0000 From: "KorgX3" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Why? Why Not? Message-ID: > some, but it plays a very important role in keeping the Fan Base satiated. And it also makes you wait those 6 long months longer for newer material to come 3 years before the next album is to be released. Then while you guys are having premature blueballs waiting for the next album, I'll still be busily involved analyzeing and learning every note of the album. :) I wouldn't mind getting a copy of the Fix boot after the album is released, though. I'm not completely condoning boots, I just don't wanna rape my virgin ears just yet. :) ABSTINANCE PEOPLE! THINK ABOUT IT! KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore) http://www.webspawner.com/users/KorgX3 email_address_removed "Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to." --David Arkenstone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:18:57 -0600 (CST) From: Pat Griffin To: ThE NuGgeTjAm Subject: Shirt order: Joshua Rosiel Message-ID: I recieved an order in the mail yesterday from a Joshua Rosiel for a Ytsejam shirt. There was no email address included, and I need to get ahold of him to verify the details of the order. Joshua, if you are reading this, or if anyone out there has an email address or a phone number for him, please email me personally and let me know. Thank you in advance... There should be a new update out in a few days. =20 h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality=B2 Design | | email_address_removed email_address_removed | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:16:35 +0000 From: "KorgX3" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: A good, old-fashioned business transaction gone sour Message-ID: > personal respect, fine, but I am not going to worship someone because he or she > is good at his or her profession. Do you worship me? Do I worship any of > you? No. Hrm. Respect is not only dished out to gods and other lesser deities. Respect is given to those who earn it. I *do* respect Dream Theater because they have struggled hard to bring their music to their fans in a time when their music is not popular among many. I respect them because they are an excellent troup of musicians who have inspired me more than they will ever know. I respect them as I will respect the little old lady who wants to cross the street in front of me, and I don't even know her. I don't *worship* the band. Hell, I rarely even listen to the band anymore. I thought this was a place to meet other fans and server as a fanbase to let the band know that they have our support. Not a place where you can tell them to lick our asses because we don't give a shit about them. BLEAT! KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore) http://www.webspawner.com/users/KorgX3 email_address_removed "Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to." --David Arkenstone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:55:43 -0800 From: Erik Stearns To: Art Bell , Bruno Lartigue , Subject: [Fwd: Enjoy!] Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------52E679332E67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't laugh too hard now. Erik Stearns. -- An Open mind is the thriving of a society while the closed mind is the downfall of the same. For in Saroks's words, "The spear in the others's heart is the spear in your own. 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You >are putting words in my mouth, and reading your own meanings into what I am >saying, and you're pissing me off. All I'm saying is that when you play "Doubting Thomas" and say I want to see this request, the only things I can come up with as a reason are that A). you don't believe us, or B). You think we misunderstood a simple request. If I am misreading your statements, then clarify them. >No that's incorrect, also - as my only excuse for wanting to do a tape tree >is that I think we should all be discussing and enjoying the material. I >don't need an excuse for my opinion, even if it is different from yours. Why? Why should we be discussing and listening to this material, when the band asked us not to spread it around? I'm not knocking your opinions, I'm opposing your idea. There is a difference. You want to do a tape tree. I want to follow in accordance with the band's request. These are not issues of opinion. I don't argue about opinions. > Why would they not want the music out on a bootleg cd, but not >>mind it on a bootleg tape? >They asked that the show not be taped, which I did not do. You're contemplating starting a tape tree. To be part of that you either have to tape a copy of the show or help other people do so. This is not about MY wishes... I don't care if you want to tape old DT stuff and pass it around. We were asked NOt to do it. If you have ANY respect for the band you can't disagree with this. I truly wish I could get a copy of that post in which it was brought up. That would solve so much for people like yourself... assuming you care. Besides, you didn't answer my question. Further, in saying "They asked that the show not be taped" you lead me to think that you DO believe the band made the request. Why are you still asking for it? I'm not putting words into your mouth. I'll try to be careful about that. >Our views differ. You obviously can't see our side of the coin. That's fine. There ARE indeed two sides of this coin. The Dream Theater fans who will respect the band's intentions, and keep the integrity of this list and all online jammers high, and the greedy people who refuse to do what's right and do everything they can to further their DT collection, regardless of the price the jammers will have to pay. >I haven't done anything to break the band's trust. You're the one that discussed a tape tree for the fix shows, aren't you? Fine... you haven't broken the band's trust until you begin that tape tree. >Chris - I mean nothing personal by any of this, but if you're so offended >by the views of some (hopefully most) of the 'jammers, and fear DT reading >this stuff, simply give away all of your DT material except WDADU, I&W, >Awake, ACOS, and promptly resign from this list. I'm afraid bootlegs are a >way of life here, and have been since long before you were a member. A). I don't fear anyone but Rikki Rachtman; B). I'm not offended... I'm just standing for what I know to be right in this instance; C). the only DT stuff I have that's not a national release, promo, or concert memorabilia, are my Bahr cds. If the band condemns those as well, mine will be destroyed; D). I didn't say "Don't do bootlegs" I said listen to the band's wishes; and E). If you HAVE been here since before about 500, I STILL don't think that's enough time to act like I'm a newbie. I'm willing to calmly discuss this over private e-mail if you want. If you can convince me that the band doesn't care about the Fix boots, I'll even buy you a copy and get it signed for you. - Chris, a Ytsejammer and Dream Theater fan. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:05:43 +0000 From: "KorgX3" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT Mailinglist Message-ID: > How can I join the Ytse Jam Mailinglist? Do we want to tell, or spare him the agony? KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore) http://www.webspawner.com/users/KorgX3 email_address_removed "Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to." --David Arkenstone ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2370 **************************