YTSEJAM Digest 2369 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Nuno Bettencourt in NYC by Andrew Keegan 2) Re: Why? Why Not? by email_address_removed 3) Re: Nuno Bettencourt in NYC by Albert Balkiewicz 4) Percussion Metropolis by Swanson 5) everything solved..... by Albert Balkiewicz 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2367 by Eric Rodger 7) Bootlegs, dammit. by "Jeremy C. Hallum" 8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2368 by Chris Ptacek 9) More fix BS by Robert Rivers 10) the fix issue by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" 11) Re: boots by "Brian Hayden" 12) Charlie D / Satu by MAMALOOKABOOBOODAY 13) Charlie D by MAMALOOKABOOBOODAY 14) Maiden Boot Question by Mark Smeets 15) Reply to Satu's post by MAMALOOKABOOBOODAY ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:38:12 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Keegan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Nuno Bettencourt in NYC Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 email_address_removed wrote: > I just saw an ad in the Village Voice which lists Nuno Bettencourt playing at > the "Mercury Lounge" on April 10th. It's a Thursday, but I think I'm going to > try and make it anyway. The number of the club is 212-260-4700 in case anyone > is interested. I've never been to this club before, but it's probably a dive > (like most of the clubs here). The Mercury Lounge is pretty nice as far as NYC clubs go. It's very small. The performance area is separate from the main bar and it's just an open room with 3 or 4 tables on each side against the wall. The sound is always great and that's what really counts. If you're planning on going, call the club. Sometimes the headliner plays in the middle of the bill at a reasonable hour. They also stick pretty close to the showtimes, so don't be late :) Anyone know who's in his band? Andy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 13:48:14 PST8 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Why? Why Not? Message-ID: >Yes, we were asked not to distribute Fix Boots, but unless I'm given a >really good reason why I shouldn't actively pursue the aformentioned, I >see no reason why I shouldn't. Having copies of The Album prior to it's >release does The Band no disservice. True, it spoils the Surprise for >some, but it plays a very important role in keeping the Fan Base >satiated. I think a lot of people are missing the point here (and I am not picking on this post in particular)... No cops are going to kick in your door if you have boots of the 96 shows, DT's label isn't going to drag you into court, the world will not end if you are found out. The main issue here is that Mike Portnoy (you know that pretty cool drummer in DT) asked us to be cool and not distribute boots of the shows. Now Mike P. is a big bootleg fan, he doesn't mind bootlegging at all, he merely wanted us to show him and the band some respect by not letting these special shows get all over the place. I think this is a fair thing for Mike to ask of us. Even though I didn't get to go to the Fix shows, I'd like the opportunity to do so in the future. If we are cool and respect the band's wishes, I am sure more cool things like these types of preview shows, Christmas CDs, etc. will be made available. Now if Mike reads the Jam and sees a bunch of people trading Fix for 96 shows, starting tape trees, offering to burn CDs of it, it'll probably piss him off (and rightfully so). You can bet our respectability as a whole in the eyes of DT will be greatly diminished. So if you ever want to see DT show up at a YtseCon in the future, be cool and respect this one small favor Mike asked of us. If you have tapes of the show, cool...listen to them and enjoy them (I wish I had them), but don't distribute them on the list. Peace, Love and Good Happiness Stuff... ~Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) Email: email_address_removed / email_address_removed / email_address_removed URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer Dream Theater Song Book -^- Fates Warning Island in the Stream ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:20:15 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Nuno Bettencourt in NYC Message-ID: > > I just saw an ad in the Village Voice which lists Nuno Bettencourt playing at > the "Mercury Lounge" on April 10th. It's a Thursday, but I think I'm going to > try and make it anyway. The number of the club is 212-260-4700 in case anyone > is interested. I've never been to this club before, but it's probably a dive > (like most of the clubs here). > The Mercury Lounge is nowhere near a dive....apparently, it is a really nice place, and a great place to see a show *(a few friends of mine saw "Jars of Clay" there a while back). I think you will find it a really cool place to see a shoe.... -Al -- @#%^$#%^#$&#%%$&#$%^#$%^#$%&#$%^&#$%^&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%^&%$ | | | See me gone and persevere.... | | Condescending when you label me Judas.... | | | #$%^#%&#%^$*%&*^&*%&(%^&(%^&*(%^&*(*%^&*$^&*#^%&#^*$%^&*#%^&*#$%& | Al Balkiewicz SEND MAIL HERE -->balkiewi @ njmsa.umdnj.edu | | OR HERE! --->DA_PROF @ BIGFOOT.COM | %@#$^@#$^@^%%$&#$&^*$%&*$&*$%^$&$%^&$%^*$^%&*$%^&*$%^*$%^&%$^&%$% ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:13:35 -0600 From: Swanson To: email_address_removed Subject: Percussion Metropolis Message-ID: Hi guys I sure wish that I owned the technology to put our Metropolis up on a web page. That way I could really show you guys how cool this is. Until then, you're just going to have to settle with the tape we plan on making as soon as the season is over. Even then, you're going to have to send me a tape for me to copy it for you. I have posted this many times and only gotten about 11 responses. I am doing everything within my power to back up what I say. And, hey, I am trying to be humble about my efforts. I know that we are still learning, and all I feel is that we deserve is better placement in our CLASS. We do deserve to be in the lowest class because this is our first year. Compared to Bear Creek and Northglen, we are babies. I wasn't looking for a negative response, and I only posted because I needed to get those things off my chest, and I figured that you guys would understand why I feel this way. If you are interested in hearing Metropolis and are willing to send me a tape, please mail me personally. Later, Cory Swanson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:27:32 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz To: email_address_removed Subject: everything solved..... Message-ID: Where's Skadz when ya need him!!!!!!! probably smoking a damn cigarette somewhere..................*sigh* -Al -- @#%^$#%^#$&#%%$&#$%^#$%^#$%&#$%^&#$%^&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%^&%$ | | | See me gone and persevere.... | | Condescending when you label me Judas.... | | | #$%^#%&#%^$*%&*^&*%&(%^&(%^&*(%^&*(*%^&*$^&*#^%&#^*$%^&*#%^&*#$%& | Al Balkiewicz SEND MAIL HERE -->balkiewi @ njmsa.umdnj.edu | | OR HERE! --->DA_PROF @ BIGFOOT.COM | %@#$^@#$^@^%%$&#$&^*$%&*$&*$%^$&$%^&$%^*$^%&*$%^&*$%^*$%^&%$^&%$% ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:29:54 -0500 From: Eric Rodger To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2367 Message-ID: > You ARE denying it, because you're clinging to the possible >non-existance of the statement I am absolutely not striking the existence of a request being made. You are putting words in my mouth, and reading your own meanings into what I am saying, and you're pissing me off. >as your excuse for wanting to do a tape >tree of this material. No that's incorrect, also - as my only excuse for wanting to do a tape tree is that I think we should all be discussing and enjoying the material. I don't need an excuse for my opinion, even if it is different from yours. > In other words, we misunderstood "Please refrain from making any >tapes of these shows.", or are lying about it? In other words, I still have not seen the request, so how could I accuse you of lying about it. There were no accusations made. More words in my mouth. Why would they not want the music out on a bootleg cd, but not >mind it on a bootleg tape? It would not be and IS NOT confined to the >list. I guarantee, they mind. They fucking ASKED us not to do this! They asked that the show not be taped, which I did not do. > You truly do not understand. Buying a cd of the music, and >getting a free tape of the show from someone BOTH violate the band's >trust. They didn't say "Please don't make tapes of the show, but if >someone else has it on tape or cd, that's cool." The premise is that they >DON'T want their new music out on ANY recording until it's out on their >official release! What is so hard to understand about that? Our views differ. You obviously can't see our side of the coin. That's fine. > This list is not made as a convenience for you to break the band's >trust in all of our names. I haven't done anything to break the band's trust. >Don't drag us down with you just because >you're too fucking lazy to click cut and paste. My views are not necessarily the down-side, and again you're wrong, because I didn't bring this back to the list because I am too lazy to cut and paste, but I brought it back here in the hopes that you would get so annoyed, that you would say something like: > The only thing some of us need is a brick to the back of the head. Now I'm convinced. Call off the tape tree - I changed my mind about the whole thing. I don't want beat up, so I admit I was wrong the whole time. Chris - I mean nothing personal by any of this, but if you're so offended by the views of some (hopefully most) of the 'jammers, and fear DT reading this stuff, simply give away all of your DT material except WDADU, I&W, Awake, ACOS, and promptly resign from this list. I'm afraid bootlegs are a way of life here, and have been since long before you were a member. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:31:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" To: email_address_removed Subject: Bootlegs, dammit. Message-ID: It all comes down to: do you respect the wishes of the band. The band has asked you not to spread your recordings all over the world. So don't!! This is something that could potentially hurt the band if it were to get to the record company, so why do it? I own some boots from way back when. But none of the current Fix shows. I respect the band a lot, enough to not go out and get any Fix shows, even when I could by emailing certain people on this list. I can wait. can you? -jeremy PS Got tickets to see a Queensryche preHinTF showing on Thursday, due to some serendipity, and a little quickdial action. Chris Degarmo, and one other band member will be there, so hopefully so autograph time will come up :). But I'll get the album early!!!!!! +=====================================================================+ # grad student, Boston U. # To strive, to seek, # # Boston, MA 02134 # To find, and not to yield. # # Astronomy # "He's as smooth as butter, # # <*> <*> <*> # because he's on a roll" # # Jeremy Hallum # -Stuart Scott, ESPN Sportscenter # # email_address_removed # http://bu-ast.bu.edu/~jhallum/ # +=====================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:45:07 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Ptacek To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2368 Message-ID: > Hamburg, Germany. It was a great show and he really kicked ass. I didn't know his > music before but he blew me. Umm.... > Hey guys, > > This is my last post on this topic. I have been moved by many good > arguments on the bootleg issue. Chris P., I wish you hadn't felt it > necessary to lower yourself to insulting comments like your "naive" or > "mental disorder" jabs. I am certain I put the "This is directed at no one in particular". I wasn't aiming at you. I was aiming at the lack of foresight behind the argument you and some others had presented. > You have failed to acknowlege the validity of the > other arguments on this issue. When you argue against something you believe to be wrong, you try to explain the problems with the argument. In this case, I felt there was NO validity to the claims that "the band wouldn't mind us doing boots". So why acknowledge any non existant validity? I wrote those posts very quickly, and warned that my responses would be brief and terse. I have already apologized for any accidental insults one might have taken. > There are still very real holes in your argument, but I respect your Well, I would love to hear them privately, if you care to share them. Incidentally, I do not hold this Fix boot thing against anyone. I'm just working my ass off to supress it. - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:48:12 -0500 From: Robert Rivers To: email_address_removed Subject: More fix BS Message-ID: How about this scenario. DT played 5 new songs during the Fix shows, they have what? 15 new songs written. It's looking more and more likely that this album will not be out in 97' , at the pace they are writing new material. Add about 6 or 7 new songs before the recording process. Who's to say the tunes they played at the Fix gigs will even make the final cut. Hopefully this thread will die out soon, ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:10:44 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds Subject: the fix issue Message-ID: > > It all comes down to: do you respect the wishes of the band. >The band has asked you not to spread your recordings all over the world. >So don't!! This is something that could potentially hurt the band if it >were to get to the record company, so why do it? of the fact of the record company, i dont think it would hurt it, but you are RIGHT on when you say DO YOU RESPECT THE BAND? this is NOT a bootleg issue, this is an issue simply on these fix shows. you dont need a reason, either you respect the band or you dont. if you dont, are you a real fan? i'll tell this much: i have tapes of the fix shows, i obtained them hearing that guys in the band werent up for it, but sure, none of them ever are but portnoy, i'll also tell you though now after i learned even portnoy disagrees with the passing around of these tapes they are going on my shelf and will remain there. its a simple matter of respecting their wishes. you're on this list in tribute to the music of these guys, and these guys themselves. i'll finish it with this: they asked the fans not to distribute these shows, if you dont abide by this, you most likely figured they werent talking to you, you couldnt possibly be a fan ;) ~Rip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 16:26:27 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: boots Message-ID: >I'm no lawyer, but having one bootleg (or even several hundred, as in my >case) could hardly be considered a felony. I'd give you a misdemeanor, and >even so, might have me end up with a $100 fine. And if I'm a 'damn stupid >felon' for trading these shows (which I'm not), what does that make Mike >Bahr? Is someone more guilty for trading a FIX 96 show than a DoE >recording? I don't think so. > >KAI In this case, the distribution of these recordings is a violation of US copyright law, which is a felony. Under other circumstances, it isn't, such as Mr. Bahr's CDs, because those are APPROVED BY THE BAND AND MANAGEMENT, whereas with the Fix boots we have the exact opposite situation - the band specifically requested no taping. You entirely miss the point - are you ignorant, or just being deliberately obfuscatory in order to aid your rationalizations? -Brian "The Silent Man" Art/Lit E-zine http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9493 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:41:29 -0800 (PST) From: MAMALOOKABOOBOODAY To: email_address_removed Subject: Charlie D / Satu Message-ID: >DT was my favorite band for three years before I&W hit the stores. It >took me a few months to get used to LaBrie; so I'm wondering if you all >would have thought differently in this situation or if anyone else had to >"get used to" LaBrie. I didn't know much about DT until after I & W came out. After I bought WDADU I recognized some of the songs from when they got played on KNAC back when it was released in 89. Although I like LaBrie better that CD, I don't think he was nearly as bad as some jammers make him out to be. Even though I get flamed for this every time I mention it I don't give a fuck because it's my opinion and if someone can't accept it and accept the fact that people can disagree then fuck em, but WDADU is *my* favorite DT album. I think it would've sounded better with JLB singing it (as MB's WDATU shows) but I still think it's a kick ass album. They had a small budget when they recorded it so they didn't have a lot of time to polish it up and tinker with it a lot. I think it has a raw energy to it that has been lacking since. Now, that doesn't mean I don't like the other stuff; I like EVERY DT cd, I personally just like the first one the best. Scott *************************************************************************** Kill Kill Kill..... the White Man; Kill him until he is dead. Kill Kill Kill the White Man. Thank you. Howard Stern as Mamalookaboobooday Detroit's first black traffic reporter *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:41:58 -0800 (PST) From: MAMALOOKABOOBOODAY To: email_address_removed Subject: Charlie D Message-ID: >DT was my favorite band for three years before I&W hit the stores. It >took me a few months to get used to LaBrie; so I'm wondering if you all >would have thought differently in this situation or if anyone else had to >"get used to" LaBrie. I didn't know much about DT until after I & W came out. After I bought WDADU I recognized some of the songs from when they got played on KNAC back when it was released in 89. Although I like LaBrie better that CD, I don't think he was nearly as bad as some jammers make him out to be. Even though I get flamed for this every time I mention it I don't give a fuck because it's my opinion and if someone can't accept it and accept the fact that people can disagree then fuck em, but WDADU is *my* favorite DT album. I think it would've sounded better with JLB singing it (as MB's WDATU shows) but I still think it's a kick ass album. They had a small budget when they recorded it so they didn't have a lot of time to polish it up and tinker with it a lot. I think it has a raw energy to it that has been lacking since. Now, that doesn't mean I don't like the other stuff; I like EVERY DT cd, I personally just like the first one the best. Scott *************************************************************************** Kill Kill Kill..... the White Man; Kill him until he is dead. Kill Kill Kill the White Man. Thank you. Howard Stern as Mamalookaboobooday Detroit's first black traffic reporter *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 15:34:03 PST From: Mark Smeets To: email_address_removed Subject: Maiden Boot Question Message-ID: ** Reply to note from email_address_removed 03/19/97 12:53pm -0800 Does anyone have the bootleg, I think it's called the Eternal Flame. It was the first "official" bootleg for the last tour with Blaze on it. If anyone does, email me. There's nothing wrong with waiting for the new album and keeping some of the mystique around the new material. Ryan can do whatever the hell he wants with those boots, the fact is, the Band has asked not to have those spread around, which is a reasonable request but it is no ones place to dictate to Ryan what he should do with those boots. So, get off the guy's back and if you dont like his decision, tuff shit. Your not him. Mark *You must unlearn, what you have learned, only then, will you have learned something. - Yoda, Star Wars *I have learned, that I know nothing - Mark Smeets *You have not yet completed your training - Yoda, Star Wars Check out the Megadeth Faq: http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/FRONT.HTM My Page: http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/INDEX.HTM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:45:18 -0800 (PST) From: MAMALOOKABOOBOODAY To: email_address_removed Subject: Reply to Satu's post Message-ID: I sent this to Satu also but since her letter was sent to the I think I have a right to reply to it on the jam, just like she had the right to say what she did. >Scott, taking this to the jam like it didn't have poor stories already ? I really didn't like doing it but I never get replies to my emails from you and so I figured posting to the jam would get a response. Guess I was right. >I told you the reasons why it has taken me this long to get back to you >and now I have to say it here again and reveal the real me. No, it wasn't till Mape posted that you were having problems that I knew what was going on. >If you concider BAD TRADERS being those who are slow, then I am guilty. It not that I consider you a bad trader. But you weren't replying to my emails and I didn't know of any other way to get a response from you. >But I always pay back what belongs to others. Since a kid I was taught to >be so damn conscientious (?)about everything that sometimes I get nuts >with it. If I owed you even 1 cent you'd be surprised to see me actually >paying it to you when other people would just forget about it ! Ok, I believe you. If you wanted extra time all you needed to do was tell me and I'd give you all the time you need. All I want is to know that I'm not forgotten and you will get to it by a certain time then I'm fine with that. >I have a HUGE conscience unlike all the people I bump into. So you made me >a criminal which I think I'm the least. So I'm taking this bad. I'm so damn >law-abiding you'd be nuts to spend a day with me ! I'm not accusing you of being a criminal, I just wanted to know where my tapes were. >And I have to tell you this too: with all the traderfriends I have there's >two things we give to each other. That's time and trust. Last tapes I waited >from a friend took him 7 months to send me, but we trade like 80 tapes at a >time, so you have to understand the time there. Even now I owe 40 tapes to that >guy, but we trust each other and that's what we've done for the last 5 years to >each other:trust. So Scott, you don't know me so you shouldn't say anything about >me. I ALWAYS give back other peoples stuff. What would you like from me, blood? Like I said in my original post and a few times in this response; I emailed you and you didn't respond to my emails, what did you expect me to think. If you would've emailed me and said "I've got other trades I'm working on and I can't get to you for another year" I would've said "fine, I'll talk to you in a year." I wouldn't have been really happy about it but I would know what's going on. >3. Satu Reunanen (sorry if I misspelled that) - I sent him some TNT stuff >and he's supposed to send me some audio tapes. I've been emailing him and >he doesn't respond, maybe this will get his attention >This here isn't true. I didn't hear from you in few weeks until yesterday. >That's why I thought you wouldn't mind me taking the time for writing to >my 50 penpals as I didn't write them in 4 months because of this damn computer >mess. one more time... I DON'T MIND! I can't read your mind so I didn't have the slightest clue you wre having computer problems. >So don't lie. And I told you I didn't have the money to buy your special >tapes earlier. I thought you said you wanted to send me normal bias because high bias were about twice as much as normal. I don't remember you saying you didn't have the money; but I'm tired of arguing with you and I'm sure jammers are more tired of reading this so I'll take your word for it. >I have a whole animal farm here to feed. And how many times do I have to say.. >HIM HE'S HIM HE HIS None if you don't want. I am *truly* sorry about calling you a guy. It was just ignorance on my part and I didn't mean to offend you. >Yep, I'm a girl. Sometimes I wish tho I was a guy so I could beat up >all the idiots in this world who use other people and torcher animals >and all bad..I hate to have these kind of conversations. There are some people on the jam who have spent time with me here at home and know I have two dogs. They know my dogs mean more to me than anything in the world, including myself. I would lay down my life for my pets because without them I'm nothing. And I feel exactly the way you do about people who mistreat animals. In fact, my dog Amanda was taken from a guy who viciously beat her. We had her a whole week before she would even come to me she was so afraid. Everytime I think of how that man must have beat her it brings tears to my eyes. But all I can do is just give her all the love I can and she has slowly come to the point where she doesn't hide behind the furniture when people come over to the house now. >I hate it when I have to "fight" with someone. Do I have to kill myself for my >sins and for having so many other hobbies too ? I have a life and I tend to >live it, even when other people are having this fire under their butts. Look, now that I know you've got all these other things going on you can take whatever time you need. I'm just glad to know that you are planning to get my stuff out. >And you'll get your tapes next week as I told you. (If my fever doesn't >get worse).Put me in the list if you want to. Anyone having the desire to >flame me just 'cos you're so good at it ?? I still haven't received an email from you saying when you were sending the tapes out. That may be for a number of reasons since I've tried to send emails to Mape several times but it always bounces ack to me. But please take your time. I don't want to live with the possibility of you getting sick because you had to send my tapes out. Breathe on. Now let's have some conversation about Dream Theater please ! I rest my case. okfine. I won't mention it again and if I do it will be by private email. Scott ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2369 **************************