YTSEJAM Digest 2344 Today's Topics: 1) DT with MD? by "Eddie J Cooper" 2) RE: Luis Vargas' by email_address_removed (Edward J Wilk) 3) NDTC by Eddy M 4) Afraid of Sunlight by email_address_removed.de (Steffen Barabasch) 5) EUROPEAN TOUR - Bremen gig cancelled? by email_address_removed.de (Steffen Barabasch) 6) RE: NDTC by email_address_removed 7) interesting music nite in detroit, and I? by Partha Mukhopadhyay 8) OK, you guys win. by The Digital Man 9) "Silent Crying" - Rock Ballad Compilation by (Chung Ng) 10) ozzy in the waiting room? by Partha Mukhopadhyay 11) Songs that have feeeling by Scott Holthausen 12) Re: "Silent Crying" - Rock Ballad Compilation by email_address_removed.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara) 13) Songs that move me. by Nick Guadagnoli 14) Please Don't buy from Tunnel Records by James Utz 14-Mar-1997 1039 15) Tickets by Graham Borland 16) . . . and more tickets by Graham Borland 17) RE: Luis Vargas' by email_address_removed 18) popular by "Raivo Hool" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:06:17 0 From: "Eddie J Cooper" To: email_address_removed Subject: DT with MD? Message-ID: <9703141004.AA22820@sphinx> With Megadeth's new album to be released in about 3 months, there is a fair bit of talk on the MD list about touring partners... Apparently, Ratlhead (MD list owner) put it to Dave Mustaine that DT would be a cool match... Dave's response was that he was interested, but owing to music biz politics (or somesuch shit) it would have to be DT's management that made the calls to get it to happen... SO HOW ABOUT IT?!! GET OVER TO THE UK WITH MEGADETH, WHENEVER IT IS!!!! Laterz Eddie };-)~ - Hidden DOS secret: add BUGS=OFF to your CONFIG.SYS - "Hit any user to continue." - "It is easier to get forgiveness than permission." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 06:11:35 EST From: email_address_removed (Edward J Wilk) To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: Luis Vargas' Message-ID: Wow, that was a long subject. :P > until the mention of the so-called poet-boy vedder. I'd just like to rem= >ind > people that this is the DREAM THEATER FAN-LINE, consisting of hopefully > intelligent, musically educated persons and not the SEATTLE-SHIT FAN-LIN= >E, > which has blinded, deluded and polluted America's youth into thinking th= >at > grunge and most there-after had any real or comparable value..... > hope i didn't piss anyone off too much (ha-fuckin'-ha) Didn't piss me off at all.. takes a lot to do that. You did, however, AMAZE me. I mean, I don't think I've ever heard such a closed-minded comment before, and there's been plenty of crap all over the Internet (And over the Jam a little while ago). It seems to me that YOU have been blinded and deluded by progressive rock so much so that you have developed an incredible superiority complex. If you don't like the music, that's one thing. It's fine to have an opinion. But when you bash a whole category of music, you prove yourself to be extremely ignorant. Hope I didn't hurt your over-sized ego, Ytse-Ed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 22:56:49 -0800 From: Eddy M To: email_address_removed Subject: NDTC Message-ID: Are people on the pearl jam Jam discussing Dream Theater ?? The answer is NO. keep this a flannel fool free zone. Enuff Z'Nuff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:07:31 +0100 (MEZ) From: email_address_removed.de (Steffen Barabasch) To: email_address_removed (Ytsejam - the Dream Theater mailing list) Subject: Afraid of Sunlight Message-ID: Hi! IMHO you got the wrong one. In fact it's the only Marillion album I didn't buy, I also didn't go to one of the following shows as a revenge for this weak thing. Many love it, but I think it's pure boring shit. No energy. That's the problem with the music of today, NO ENERGY. Listen to the latest Soundgarden singles, then listen to the stuff from Badmotorfinger (Jesus Christ Pose!!). Same for Metallica. That's what I like about DT, even the calm and slow stuff has LOTS of energy. Ok, enough rambling. Steffen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:10:51 +0100 (MEZ) From: email_address_removed.de (Steffen Barabasch) To: email_address_removed (Ytsejam - the Dream Theater mailing list) Subject: EUROPEAN TOUR - Bremen gig cancelled? Message-ID: Hi! Got an email yesterday, someone called Pier 2 in Bremen and they told him that the show was cancelled. Any news about that? Steffen - THE MIRROR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 05:42:18 -0800 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: NDTC Message-ID: >Are people on the pearl jam Jam discussing Dream Theater ?? >The answer is NO. Keep this a flannel fool free zone. ---------- Well, how about QR then? Here's what The Rocket (Seattle music paper) says about the new cd. The article includes a cut-out paper doll of GT along with grunge clothes to dress him up in. ".....the band has looked to many of Seattle's most successful bands for inspiration, particularly Alice in Chains and Soundgarden.....The chugging pulse of the ironically-titled opener "Sign of the Times" rides a Soundgarden- sounding chord progression and is flavored with Jerry Cantrell-like guitar noodling. With the exception of a repeating acoustic guitar break, it is solid Northwest sludge and sets the tone for the 13 songs that follow. The first three songs...definitely ride a "Seattle Sound" vibe...There are moments when one hears more Alice in Chains or Soundgarden than QR in the songs...many of the riffs are incredibly derivitive." It also mentions that is was recorded at PJ'sStone Gossard's studio and recorded and mixed by Toby Wright, best known for his work with AiC. Wonder if that had anything to do with it. BTW, I don't like grunge either, just passing along info. Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 08:46:03 -0500 (EST) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: interesting music nite in detroit, and I? Message-ID: Well, Tiles was playing and Nuno was around somewhere, so I went to a basketball game.....(michigan won, btw, second round of the nit, which has one big advantage over the ncaa's.....HOME GAMES!!) anywho.....i love my bio lab.....we got these powermacs in there, with cd-rom drives and sound cards, and i seem to be the only one capable of bringing CDs along......coupla weeks ago, listened to a QR boot the whole night......the other day.....CRITCAL MASS! life was good that night: torturing turtles to the tune of tom sawyer..... (although, I did get that annoying "this is a GUY singing?" remark from my lab partner......) DTC: for those of you just recently hearing the majesty demos....what was your take on the song "a vision"? my personal fave, that instrumental section would qualify it for "songs that touch me" if I were to waste bandwidth creating such a list :) enjoying the funky weather, all you northern types? I forsee a nice weekend of studying for exams punctuated with breaks to clean up the branches that just SNAPPED off due to the sheer weight of ice...... makes for some really cool pictures though, if i could find my camera... partha mukhopadhyay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:20:52 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" Subject: OK, you guys win. Message-ID: I've been trying to fight this whole "top-whatever list" craze, but everyone seems to either be enjoying it or ignoring it. And you all know how much I like to fit in, so I figure I'll throw my own entry into the mix. I therefore proudly present to you, kind Ytsejam readers... An unordered list of countries I have never visited --------------------------------------------------- 1. France 2. Denmark 3. Mexico 4. Uruguay 5. People's Republic of Yemen 6. Nicaragua 7. India 8. Germany 9. Brazil 10. Seattle 11. Honduras 12. Albania 13. Turkmenistan 14. England 15. Japan 16. Australia 17. New Zealand 18. Greenland 19. Phillipines 20. China 21. Italy 22. Kuwait 23. El Salvador 24. Iraq 25. Wales 26. Norway 27. Chile 28. Egypt 29. Congo 30. Jordan 31. Ethiopia 32. Burkina Faso 33. Croatia 34. Kazakhstan 35. Iceland 36. Poland 37. North Korea 38. Mongolia 39. Scotland 40. Peru 41. Sweden 42. Finland 43. Vatican City 44. Belize 45. Switzerland 46. Cuba 47. Antigua 48. Holland 49. Antartica 50. Kansas 51. South Korea 52. Vietnam 53. Republic of China 54. Estonia 55. Slovenia 56. Armenia 57. Barbados 58. Guam 59. Lesser Antilles 60. Argentina 61. Cambodia 62. Nevada 63. Curacao 64. South Africa 65. Syria 66. Albania Well, I could go on all day, but I think you get the point. At least, I hope so. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 97 9:49:36 EST From: (Chung Ng) To: Subject: "Silent Crying" - Rock Ballad Compilation Message-ID: I just got my "Silent Crying (rock ballads against nuclear terror)". It's really awesome. "Silent Crying 2" should be out really soon. Here is the track listing in case anyone is interested: CONCEPTION: Silent Crying STRATOVARIUS - Solitude (unreleased) WISHFUL THINKING - Hiroshima VIRGIN STEELE - Forever Will I Roam GAMMA RAY - Silence (unreleased) SANVOISEN - Tears For No One KAMELOT - What About Me ALEX PARCHE PROJECT - The Longer You Can Wait THUNDERHEAD - Good Things Never Last (unreleased) RICOCHET - Your Song ANGRA - Stand Away ELEGY - Lust for Life KASHMYR - Midnight Rain ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:49:03 -0500 (EST) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ozzy in the waiting room? Message-ID: hey Korg, which dentist did you go to anyway? I can just see it....you're waiting to see the dentist, because you think you got a cavity, or you're getting a root canal....and then Crazy train come on....and it ends, and there's that evil little laugh, and the weird voice says "next!", just as the dentist comes through the door, and you're thinking....Jack Nicholson in the little shop of horrors......(i know, i know, he wasn't the dentist) anyways....a quick little trivia quiz.......who was "finneaus gauge"? and how's the real guy's name spelled? answer the next time i do e-mail...... partha mukhopadhyay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 97 14:46:18 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Holthausen To: email_address_removed Subject: Songs that have feeeling Message-ID: Had to get on this bandwagon. All my favorites from QR, DT, 'Tage, etc. have already been listed so I'll save space and mention a few of my favorites that I have not seen. Ani DeFranco: Dialate, Untouchable Face Tori Amos: Winter, Hey Jupiter Dave Matthews: Back You Up NIN: Something I Can Never Have Many more, but I consider these highlights. Scott Holthausen email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 00:03:13 +0900 From: email_address_removed.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: "Silent Crying" - Rock Ballad Compilation Message-ID: 　Well,SC Pt.2 is available @ your local stores. But I think there's no rare stuff on this disc this time. At 6:55 AM 97.3.14 -0800, Chung Ng wrote: >I just got my "Silent Crying (rock ballads against nuclear terror)". It's >really awesome. "Silent Crying 2" should be out really soon. Here is the >track listing in case anyone is interested: > >CONCEPTION: Silent Crying >STRATOVARIUS - Solitude (unreleased) >WISHFUL THINKING - Hiroshima >VIRGIN STEELE - Forever Will I Roam >GAMMA RAY - Silence (unreleased) >SANVOISEN - Tears For No One >KAMELOT - What About Me >ALEX PARCHE PROJECT - The Longer You Can Wait >THUNDERHEAD - Good Things Never Last (unreleased) >RICOCHET - Your Song >ANGRA - Stand Away >ELEGY - Lust for Life >KASHMYR - Midnight Rain -Keiji Nishihara email_address_removed.ne.jp email_address_removed.ac.jp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 07:51:39 -0800 (PST) From: Nick Guadagnoli To: email_address_removed Subject: Songs that move me. Message-ID: Jammer-types, Well, I feel the need to get on the bandwagon, so here's my list of songs that move me: Brother Cane-- "Hard Act to Follow", "Make Your Play" Dream Theater-- "Scarred", "Learning to Live" "Funeral For a Friend (Live)" Debussy-- "Syrinx" Cry Of Love-- "Carnival", "Saving Grace" Edgar Winter-- "Dying to Live (Living to Die)", "Tobacco Road" Beethoven-- "Eroica" Peter Gabriel-- "In Your Eyes", "Digging in the Dirt (Live Secret World)" Branford Marsalis-- "Brother trying to catch a cab..." Mr. Bungle-- "Domestic Violence" Gary Hoey-- "Drive", "Fade to Blue", "Texas Son" Eric Clapton & Babyface-- "If I Could Change the World" Steve Vai-- "Damn You" Vai-- "What I Do In My Dreams With You", "Rescue Me or Bury Me" Rush-- "La Villa Strangiato", "State of Grace" Skid Row-- "Wasted Time", "Quicksand Jesus" Dream Theater-- "Eve" Enough... enough, even. Hasta Lumbago, y placido domingo ProgRockBoy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 97 10:54:12 EST From: James Utz 14-Mar-1997 1039 To: mail11:;;;@email_address_removed@digital.com; (@ytsejam) Subject: Please Don't buy from Tunnel Records Message-ID: Just save yourself the pain and money. Go somewhere else to get your bootlegs. Do not buy from Tunnel Records. I was all excited about a major purchase from them, but they screwed me too. I only received four of the seven Dream Theater CDs that I ordered and they have yet to provide me the refund they promised three months ago. They claim that they are overworked and really appreciate everyone's business. They pretend to be friendly on the phone, and they post pretty, apologetic emails to alt.music.bootlegs. They are liars, cheats, and greedy bastards who don't deserve our money. I would suggest Eric's CD Mine as well as CD Cellar. They have never lied to me or cheated me. Just search for them on the net. James Utz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:01:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland To: email_address_removed Subject: Tickets Message-ID: I've just heard that the tickets for the Dutch concerts are sold out, I think. :-( I am prepared to pay a stupidly large sum of money for a ticket, especially for the Amsterdam show, so if you have one spare, please email me ASAP. Even if you don't have one spare, I promise I'll pay more than your friend will. Graham -- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:35:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland To: YtseJam Subject: . . . and more tickets Message-ID: Sorry to follow up my own post. If you have a spare ticket for a Dutch DT show, I won't get to read my email till after the weekend. My home phone number is +44 141 357 4033. I'll cover the cost of any phone calls too!!!!!! Graham -- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 11:10:00 -0600 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: Luis Vargas' Message-ID: >> until the mention of the so-called poet-boy vedder. I'd just like to remind >> people that this is the DREAM THEATER FAN-LINE, consisting of hopefully >> intelligent, musically educated persons and not the SEATTLE-SHIT FAN-LINE, >> which has blinded, deluded and polluted America's youth into thinking that >> grunge and most there-after had any real or comparable value..... >> hope i didn't piss anyone off too much (ha-fuckin'-ha) > > Didn't piss me off at all.. takes a lot to do that. You did, >however, AMAZE me. I mean, I don't think I've ever heard such a >closed-minded comment before, and there's been plenty of crap all over >the Internet (And over the Jam a little while ago). It seems to me that >YOU have been blinded and deluded by progressive rock so much so that you >have developed an incredible superiority complex. If you don't like the >music, that's one thing. It's fine to have an opinion. But when you >bash a whole category of music, you prove yourself to be extremely >ignorant. > > Ytse-Ed Well, I don't in any way want to support or condone the original poster. It is pretty clear to me that he wanted to piss people off. OTOH, I don't think bashing a whole category of music is necessarily ignorant or closed minded. Bashing it without having listened would be closed minded. I've been listening to Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots, Bush, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains and their ilk for years, now. I understand that many people like this music and see redeeming qualities in it. I do not. I can remember digging a couple of songs by a band called Candlebox. They belong to the Seattle wave, right? My point is that once you've given something a fair chance, you don't have to be spineless and follow the herd. There are valid objective reasons for bashing an entire category of music, and grunge happens to be at the top of my list. Furthermore, anyone's opinion of grunge these days is likely to be an informed one. Thanks to MTV and the music industry in general, we've all be drowning in the stuff. As much as I'd like to be ignorant with regard to grunge, I've heard enough of it to be an expert. While music tends to be an emotionally charged subject, that doesn't mean that people have to forego use of their critical facilities in assessing it. Sorry about the tirade...but Ytse-Ed's response indirectly called a lot of people ignorant and closed minded, and I believe there's a fair number of us who didn't deserve it. ..and I'll go to my grave believing that rap music and house music are oxymorons as well. :) -- Pete Dziadzka ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 19:11:51 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" To: email_address_removed Subject: popular Message-ID: > you like it. I mean, it's gotta be popular for some other reason, ya ..and the first thing you know, he's telling you it's popular because they "sell out", because "there's MTV, radio and whatnot" to hype them big... :-) Been there, seen that. Times two. Perhaps more. Do not click here to continue. Raitz Be reasonable -- demand the impossible! ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2344 **************************