YTSEJAM Digest 2341 Today's Topics: 1) Ex-Helmet by Brian Jones 2) Re[2]: Fates Info... by email_address_removed 3) Queensryche single: Sign of the Times by "Jeremy C. Hallum" 4) Need a drive to DT show badly ! by aurora@wirehub.nl 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2340 by Chris Ptacek 6) bad rumors by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" 7) 'Fix' show recordings... by "Blevins, Mike" 8) eddie cheddar (NDTC) by alex fraser 9) feelings, nothing more than fee-ee-eelings... by "Brian Hayden" 10) fave songs by Pedro Miguel Jr 11) songs that grab out your heart and rip it up by Jazzmin Belle Sommers 12) Re: fave songs by Albert Balkiewicz 13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2339...touch my ----. by luis vargas 14) 1100 live videos listed by email_address_removed 15) A Change of Seasons... by Steve Chew 16) dt in europe.. by Thomas Andersen 17) Re: A Change of Seasons... by Carlos Alfaro 18) DT CDs auction update(aka blatent attmpt to re-advertise my goods) by Kevin Villines 19) Re: A Change of Seasons... by Eric Rodger 20) Re: Re[2]: Fates Info... by Anton Max ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 14:35:26 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Jones To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Ex-Helmet Message-ID: >Any Helmet fans out there in cyberland? I just heard the track 'High >Visibility' >from the forthcoming album 'Aftertaste' on a sampler, and this thing has >more >grooves than and old vinyl LP. If the rest of the album is like this, >then >I've >already got one of my contenders for the album of the year contest. Helmet is cool, but has anyone heard of Handsome? The band has ex-members of Helmet and Quicksand. I saw them when they opened for Silverchair, and went out the next day and got the album. It rocks. Fave tracks: #'s 1, 5, 8, 10, 12. But they're all good. Check them out. BJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 12:07:48 PST8 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re[2]: Fates Info... Message-ID: >>Here is the Metal Blade review from the Promo Disc. >Ever notice how record labels often gloss over certain details? >Where is Dibiase on this one? How about Aresti? They've been on every >album together except one until this one (Dibiase has been on all of >them). I know that Frank left after the last tour, I don't know specifics, but it was said he was tired of touring and such. I heard that he is now just giving guitar lessons. Joe has been witht he band since the beginning and I am sure that they are really sad to see him leave (especially Jim), but from what I understand, he just couldn't support his family (financially mostly I suppose) and be in the band. SO he left. It sucks that a band as great as FW hasn't reached a level of success, at least enough to let them create music for a living... >I'm glad they have a keyboardist though, that element was really >missing before. Yeah, the keyboards do add a great touch to the new album. Although Kevin was just a guest on the record, I don't think he'll be touring with them... >One last snap: WHY do so many prog-metal groups compare themselves >to Rush? I like Fate's Warning, but I wouldn't compare ANY success they've >had to Rush's on a critical, commercial or musical level. Well, my take on this is that these liner notes are from a promo CD (i.e., distributed to radio stations , promoters, etc.) I am sure they make the comparisons to Rush because Rush is a well know progressive band. They have to give the listener a reference point (most people getting the promo probably aren't familiar with Fates). Plus I think they were trying to emphasize the fact that Terry Brown produced it, in hopes of more people taking a serious listen to it. I think it is so cool of Fates to say, "Look we don't get any air play anyway...Let's make whatever we want"... a 55 minute song in the 90s? Commercial suicide, but man if this isn't one great way to go >.. ~Mike ~Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) Email: email_address_removed / email_address_removed / email_address_removed URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer Dream Theater Song Book -^- Fates Warning Island in the Stream ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 14:13:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" To: email_address_removed Subject: Queensryche single: Sign of the Times Message-ID: Well, heard Sign of the Times on WAAF today. And I am pretty darn impressed. A darker sound seems to be continuing from Promised Land, and reviews from Rec.music.artists.queensryche seem to dictate that the sound is as dark as SotT, but the album in general is much better than SotT. However, from first listen, I really like this song. It is a general Empire/Resistance type song, bemoaning the Times today, but it has some new things running through the tune, like a little acoustic piece during the chorus. I'm waiting anxiously for the new album... -jeremy +=====================================================================+ # grad student, Boston U. # To strive, to seek, # # Boston, MA 02134 # To find, and not to yield. # # Astronomy #"Understanding is a three-edged sword-- # # <*> <*> <*> # your side, their side, and the truth" # # Jeremy Hallum # No surrender, No retreat. # # email_address_removed # http://bu-ast.bu.edu/~jhallum/ # +=====================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 20:18:04 +0100 From: aurora@wirehub.nl To: email_address_removed Subject: Need a drive to DT show badly ! Message-ID: Hi everyone, I got a ticket for the DT show (16/4 at Noorderligt, Tilburg). I'm looking for any DT fan in the Rotterdam/Spijkenisse area (I live in Hoogvliet myself) who owns a car and has a seat free for me. I could go by train (I don't have a car myself, don't even a driver's license), but if I'd go by train I would miss half the concert in order to come home in time. Please help me, all expenses will be paid for of course. Thanks a lot in advance, I know you're out there ! --Aurora-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:21:04 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Ptacek To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2340 Message-ID: > Subject: CHAOS THEORY NEWS and WAVs and PICS While your page was simple, I thought it looked great. It didn't take away from the fact that when you hit the Chaos Theory page you were there for the music, and not the artsy fartsy backgrounds. I thought this band was extremely tight, which is a good thing, but the singer was a little strained. If he pulls it together for their demo/album, they simple ARE on the level with Dream Theater. The keyboardist SMOKES on the last sample, as does the guitarist. I was hooked on the sweep arpeggio lick... i had to stop IRCing for a minute or two, and learn what they hell he was doing! Very clean players. > P.S.--If ANYONE knows what went on in Rhode Island last weekend, PLEASE > e-mail me privately. And CC me. Better yet, since (unless this has been covered, and I don't think it has... though I missed about 5 jams due to laziness) no one seems to know, perhaps it should go to the list? I hate you Mike Bahr! Why did you do that? I've spent FAR to much valuable time postulating on what the hell may have happened! I think you owe us an explaination... or not... pretty please? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:25:22 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds Subject: bad rumors Message-ID: > > Somebody told me today that she knows a friend who knows MP who says that > DT will put out the next album, then a live album then are breaking up. > She says that the guys in the band hate each other. coughcoughcoughBULLSHITcoughcough... or would that be... bullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitCOUGHCOUGHbullshit ? :) either way, its not true.. but does anyone remember saying that after metallica released load and their next album they would break up? was this ever true and if it was is it still true? just curious.. ~Rip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 14:37:36 -0500 From: "Blevins, Mike" To: "'ytsejam'" Subject: 'Fix' show recordings... Message-ID: OK, I'm going to renew my request for a recording of one of the Dec. DT shows. I'm willing to purchase, since I doubt I have anything of trade value, except for an I&W video (from Florida, I think). respond to me or to list, and if you responded before, my apologies. Our mail server screwed up and lost about twelve hours worth of mail... Someone explain to me why I work in this field. TTFN Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:56:55 -0600 (CST) From: alex fraser To: email_address_removed Subject: eddie cheddar (NDTC) Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Mar 1997, Chris Ptacek wrote: > > Eddie Vedder is one of the best lyricists out there > > right now but never gets the recognition from the critics. > Though I disagree with you about the value of Pearl Jam, I will defend to > the death your right to like them. However, I think that as far as > recognition goes, Eddie gets more than his share. If you aren't seeing > articles from Eddie in Rolling Stone frequently enough, it's not because > they're not giving him enough attention... more likely he's telling them > to blow. Actually, you're right. The last Rolling Stone article about Mr. Vedder was written against his wishes, and in many cases was terribly inaccurate. It's really too bad that these guys are being labeled as whiners by the general public, because they are taking steps to fight the establishment... like not making videos for eMpTyVee... (and i know the general opinion of this list on the topic of music television... ;) ) > And I hate Pearl Jam, too, in case you care. :) Chris, I'm sorry to hear you say this. I would suggest that you pop in a copy of "Vs." (borrow it or steal it or something) and listen with headphones for the rhythm guitar. While admittedly it's not in your face, I think Stone does some really neat stuff... but, to quote Dennis Miller, "of course that's just my opinion, i could be wrong..." Well, i'll lurk off back to my little corner now... (shut up tempus.) :P peace, alex (id) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 13:58:10 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" To: email_address_removed Subject: feelings, nothing more than fee-ee-eelings... Message-ID: Pearl Jam: Black (second best song in the world) DT: Metropolis (best song in the world), Scarred Megadeth: Tout le Monde Allman Bros: Whipping Post Zep: Stairway (I don't care what anyone says - this song rules) Candlebox: Cover Me Toadies: Backslider Al Stewart: Last Day of June 1934 Soundgarden: Like Suicide The Cult: Ciao Edie "The Silent Man" Art/Lit E-zine http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9493 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:47:37 -0300 From: Pedro Miguel Jr To: email_address_removed Subject: fave songs Message-ID: My list: DT - EVE! (Great, amazing, absolutely fabulous) Pendragon - Paintbox Michel Camilo - Suite Sandrine pt. 1 Satriani - Forgotten II, Thinking Of You Marillion - Script For A Jester's Tear Dave Matthews - Satellite King Crimson - Walking On Air Rush - Witch Hunt, Entre Nous, Afterimage Triumph - Killing Time Pedro Miguel Jr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 15:08:06 -0600 From: Jazzmin Belle Sommers To: email_address_removed Subject: songs that grab out your heart and rip it up Message-ID: .. actually there are a lot out there that elicit emotions from me: happy, sad, grateful for love, etc etc, but only one has the ability to repeatedly slam my feelings into the wall: "Baby Doe" by Steve Taylor & Some Band. I think it's on the album _Meltdown_. He used to be pretty good until he started sucking (after _I Predict 1990_ -- a good album too). It was SO cruel of them to put this as the last song on a cassette with a lot of empty space after it. One song that gave me screaming nightmares (I have no idea why) is "River Blindness" by the J. Geils Band (_Freeze-Frame_). If anyone else has had this experience, please email me. It was so terrifying at the time (I was 16?) I prayed that God please never ever let me hear it again. I have of course since grown up a bit and have no trouble with it... listened to it last night trying to determine what crossed circuits tripped off the night terrors. "Scarred" reminds me of my parents' relationship. Jazzmin Sommers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:27:31 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: fave songs Message-ID: > > My list: > > DT - EVE! (Great, amazing, absolutely fabulous) Eve with the samples gives it another special feel..... > Satriani - Forgotten II, Thinking Of You Die to Live - Vai very powerful ballad (esp. when you see him play it) > Dave Matthews - Satellite Twostep (I think that's the name) - the intro for this is awesome nice and relaxing.... others: Hard Habit to Break - Chicago (cheezy, but i've always liked it) Winter - Tori Amos -wow Eleanor Rigby - Stanley Jordan Eponymous - Harry Connick, Jr. - short, but good instrumental Quicksand Jesus, In a Darkened Room - Skid Row Dreaming(?) - Malmsteen , off "Odyssey" DreamTime - SUPERIOR (whohoo!!!!) oh, shit - so SO many others.......... -Al -- @#%^$#%^#$&#%%$&#$%^#$%^#$%&#$%^&#$%^&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%^&%$ | | | See me gone and persevere.... | | Condescending when you label me Judas.... | | | #$%^#%&#%^$*%&*^&*%&(%^&(%^&*(%^&*(*%^&*$^&*#^%&#^*$%^&*#%^&*#$%& | Al Balkiewicz SEND MAIL HERE -->balkiewi @ njmsa.umdnj.edu | | OR HERE! --->DA_PROF @ BIGFOOT.COM | %@#$^@#$^@^%%$&#$&^*$%&*$&*$%^$&$%^&$%^*$^%&*$%^&*$%^*$%^&%$^&%$% ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:31:41 -0500 (EST) From: luis vargas To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2339...touch my ----. Message-ID: yeah i hope this works.... in response to the " touching songs " topic, things were fine and dandy until the mention of the so-called poet-boy vedder. I'd just like to remind people that this is the DREAM THEATER FAN-LINE, consisting of hopefully intelligent, musically educated persons and not the SEATTLE-SHIT FAN-LINE, which has blinded, deluded and polluted America's youth into thinking that grunge and most there-after had any real or comparable value..... just remember this is still music BUSINESS run by BUSINESS PEOPLE so whatever may( in their feeble minds ) sell, will most gladly be given the opportunity to. hope i didn't piss anyone off too much (ha-fuckin'-ha) BASH THE TRASH. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:41:36 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: 1100 live videos listed Message-ID: here at the following site http://members.aol.com/rockvid/vidman.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:43:05 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Chew To: email_address_removed Subject: A Change of Seasons... Message-ID: > >"A Change of Seasons" - Dream Theater, "Subconscious": I agree with >the last poster in that I wish they hadn't changed this for the >released version, but not for the same reason. I simply wish that >they kept the incredible neo-classical sixteenth-note extravaganza >in the second instrumental section, where the entire band is so tight >they could cover an airlock. This section always gives me goosebumps. > Yes! That was always my favorite part of ACoS -- you said it perfectly -- the tightness of the playing in that section is just phenomenal. I definitely like the new version of ACoS, but I always miss that one section. Steve P.S. Going with my wife to see Empire Strikes Back one more time before Return of the Jedi tomorrow night!! :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 22:49:18 +0100 From: Thomas Andersen To: ytsejam Subject: dt in europe.. Message-ID: hi do anyone have the complete DT european tourlist?????? regards totte email_address_removed.dk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:50:52 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: A Change of Seasons... Message-ID: Steve Chew wrote: > > I simply wish that > >they kept the incredible neo-classical sixteenth-note extravaganza > >in the second instrumental section, where the entire band is so tight > >they could cover an airlock. This section always gives me goosebumps. > > > Yes! That was always my favorite part of ACoS -- you said > it perfectly -- the tightness of the playing in that section is just > phenomenal. I definitely like the new version of ACoS, but I always > miss that one section. > > Steve > aaaaaaaaarghj dont even get me started on this part!! damn.. that was a real MUST! man that part is the entire reason of being for me! :) even thou thinking back now it wouldve sounded kinda dated (yngwieish) qand maybe thats why they eliminated it..but it wouldbe still kicked ass! eeeeerg and the keyboard solo following it..(damn)! > P.S. Going with my wife to see Empire Strikes Back one more time > before Return of the Jedi tomorrow night!! :-) -- "At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:07:44 -0600 From: Kevin Villines To: YtseJam Mailing list Subject: DT CDs auction update(aka blatent attmpt to re-advertise my goods) Message-ID: Here's what I've gotten so far: DT-Live images $26.50 DT-Awake(Japanese ver w/mini disc(Eve) No bid(min $20) I've also got a couple of copies of World Trade's debut CD for $10 each(ppd in US/exact out of states). Later, Kevin Villines ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:21:23 -0500 From: Eric Rodger To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: A Change of Seasons... Message-ID: At 02:02 PM 3/13/97 -0800, you wrote: >Steve Chew wrote: >> >> I simply wish that >> >they kept the incredible neo-classical sixteenth-note extravaganza >> >in the second instrumental section, where the entire band is so tight >> >they could cover an airlock. This section always gives me goosebumps. >> > Yeah, I kinda wished Jens Johansson would have gotten the spot just to see more of this style pop up in DT songs. I still can't fathom why they passed over him for Derek. KAI ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:25:18 -0500 (EST) From: Anton Max To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Re[2]: Fates Info... Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Mar 1997 email_address_removed wrote: > >One last snap: WHY do so many prog-metal groups compare themselves > >to Rush? I like Fate's Warning, but I wouldn't compare ANY success they've > >had to Rush's on a critical, commercial or musical level. > Well, my take on this is that these liner notes are from a promo CD > (i.e., distributed to radio stations with one 55 minute song!>, promoters, etc.) I am sure they make the > comparisons to Rush because Rush is a well know progressive band. They > have to give the listener a reference point (most people getting the > promo probably aren't familiar with Fates). Plus I think they were > trying to emphasize the fact that Terry Brown produced it, in hopes of > more people taking a serious listen to it. It kind of offended me to read the comparison to Rush on Mike's Island in the Stream page. I was going to write Mike and complain, then I realized it was the label's review, not Mike's. IMO, it was annoying to read the comparisons with Rush because Fates is an entirely superior band, with their own, truly unique identity. I won't get into an argument over who's better, as that's a matter of opinion, but Fates does stand on their own and shouldn't be subjected to such comparisons in their own promotional material. It does make sense for them to mention a band that people know about, but I think they overdid it and made it sound like Fates was trying to be the next Rush, which I don't think Fates has ever done. > > I think it is so cool of Fates to say, "Look we don't get any air > play anyway...Let's make whatever we want"... a 55 minute song in the > 90s? Commercial suicide, but man if this isn't one great way to go > >.. > Damn straight. Still waiting for your review, Mike. Did I miss it? I'm dying to know everything about my favourite band's new song. -maximilian Anton Max MadMax+@cmu.edu http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2341 **************************