YTSEJAM Digest 2338 Today's Topics: 1) Making A List by Adam Barnhart 2) STOP by Felipe Comparsi 3) Re: 'Burlap's Theories of Bandage, more! by Jon Byrne 4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2334 by email_address_removed.ca (Gordon McFee) 5) Support act for Europe '97 by email_address_removed.de (Steffen Barabasch) 6) help! dt pics by Carlos Alfaro 7) Whoops, forgot the ad ;-) by email_address_removed.de (Steffen Barabasch) 8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2336 by email_address_removed.ca (Gordon McFee) 9) Midnight, Arch, Sieges Even, Extreme, Spock by MakTs 10) Re: STOP by email_address_removed 11) Songs That Rock by Soul Madness 12) And now, for your enjoyment... by The Digital Man 13) Someone Else (FBV) by email_address_removed (Edward J Wilk) 14) YTSEJAM #2337 by Jeff DiBartolomeo 15) Re: Moving Songs by "KorgX3" 16) Manitou???(NDTC) by "Anthony N. Sciamanna" 17) Shadow Gallery / Passionate Tunes by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:09:48 -0800 From: Adam Barnhart To: email_address_removed Subject: Making A List Message-ID: Wow! The lists that people have been throwing out here have just been amazing. I think my favorite thus far is Steve Zebrowski's, but they've all been good. My own list of the most intense: Rush: Time Stand Still, Dreamline, 2112, Different Strings, Distant Early Warning, Prime Mover, The Pass, Hemispheres, Xanadu Metallica: Fade To Black, For Whom The Bell Tolls, Sanitarium, Dyer's Eve Satriani: I Believe, Flying In A Blue Dream, Always With Me, Always With You Lost Souls: Gone and Away, As If I Cared, Deathmask Yes: Heart of the Sunrise, Love Will Find A Way, Changes, Tempus Fugit Fates Warning: Damnation, Eye To Eye, We Only Say Goodbye, The Eleventh Hour, Monument Weather Report: A Remark You Made, Havona, Unknown Soldier Eric Johnson: Cliffs of Dover, Zap, Desert Rose Dar Williams: The Ocean, Iowa King's X: Summerland, Goldilox, What Is This Galactic Cowboys: I'm Not Amused, I Do What I Do Atomic Opera: Justice, September Tori Amos: Winter, Silent All These Years Aerosmith: Dream On, Seasons of Wither Ian Moore: How Does It Feel, Muddy Jesus, Carry On Pearl Jam: Garden, Indifference, Rearviewmirror, Release, Immortality Roger McGuinn: King of the Hill John Coltrane: A Love Supreme, Everytime We Say Goodbye Steve Ray Vaughan: Life By The Drop, Pride and Joy Youssou N'Dour: Xale, Set, Immigres/Bitim Rew Miles Davis: All Blues, Seven Steps To Heaven Dream Theater: Learning To Live, Scarred, Only A Matter of Time Well, this is already way too damn long, so I'll quit here. There are many more.... Five Gratutitous CD's: ====================== 1. Rush: Rush 2. Live: Secret Samadhi 3. Shawn Lane: Powers of Ten 4. Psychefunkapus: Skin 5. Sting: Ten Summoner's Tales Adam D. Barnhart email_address_removed email_address_removed http://www.cfmc.com/adamb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:26:17 -0800 From: Felipe Comparsi To: email_address_removed Subject: STOP Message-ID: PLEASE!!! Stop sending me mails!!! My box are full!!! email_address_removed.br ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:48:26 -0500 (EST) From: Jon Byrne To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: 'Burlap's Theories of Bandage, more! Message-ID: At 04:00 PM 3/10/97 -0800, Brian Henderson wrote: >(2) Dream Theater fans are more loyal than Metallica fans. >Basis: No surprise. Perhaps it was the man behind me screaming "YOU SUCK!!! >YOU FUCKIN' SUCK!!! YOU FUCKIN' SELL-OUTS!!! YOU FUCKIN' SUCK!!!". And >this man paid for a ticket. Actually, I think that supports the "Metallica fans are stupid" argument pretty well, huh? ;) On other matters, I picked up a new CD that some 'Jammers might enojy. It's the new album from Boud Deun, _Astronomy Made Easy_. BD are an instrumental four piece (gtr/bs/dr/vio) from the DC area (I think?). In a phrase, these guys just smoke. They lay down all sorts of blinding riffs, often traded off between the guitar and violin. They sort of remind me of a cross between Crimson and Mahavishnu Orchestra in places, but really don't sound like anybody I've ever heard. Should be heavy enough (tho' not metal) to satisfy most Jammers. Also picked up CDs from Illuvatar (_Children_) and Mind Gallery (_Guilty Until Proven Rich_) which are both pretty good, but not mind blowing. If anybody wants to know any more about those, drop me a line. Finally, for soungs that touch me (huh huh), I'll go for two that just leave me emotionally spent after listening: "King", the last track of Marillion's _Affraid of Sunlight_ album and the live version of "Supper's Ready" from _Seconds Out_ by Genesis. Jam on . . . Jonathan Byrne, 1L; Currently 2884th place in 1997 F1 Pick 6 (of 6345) West Virginia University College of Law email_address_removed (WormWood or DrNick on IRC) TAPE TRADES! http://access.mountain.net/~rael/home.htm ----------------------------------------------------------- "They got it made for the winners in the world I want a name when I lose They call Alabama the Crimson Tide Call me Deacon Blues" -Donald Fagan, "Deacon Blues", Steely Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:54:11 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed.ca (Gordon McFee) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2334 Message-ID: >Hi everyone! I'm really excited to be telling you all about this new >band. They're from the San Fransisco Bay area. The name of the band is >Chaos Theory. The music is incredible. Heavy, complex, catchy,.... The >lineup is the same as Dream Theater So THAT'S how they're getting out of their recording contract! Clever.. >Man, oh, man. Youse guys need to get Edge of Thorns. (It's probably >my favorite). Lotsa great tunage as Handful of Rain, but it has >Criss on it which makes all the diff. (RIP Criss). If that intro >piano on the first track doesn't catch you from the start, somethin's >wrong with y'all. Highlights of EoT: Edge of Thorns, Damien, Miles >Away, Sleep, All that I Bleed. I dunno, the only song I don't like >is Scraggy's Tomb. Makes me think of Scooby Doo. Weird. The rest >kick some serious a$$! This should be good for some flamage... but I received two songs from the above album -- Edge of Thorns and He Carves His Stone. The first sounds like a Bon Jovi song and the vocalist sort of ruins it at the end because he keeps doing the Phil-Collins-never-stop-singing thing with the "Anymo-o-o-ore... anymooooorrrree" business. He Carves His Stone wasn't too bad.. heavy enough certainly.. but the lyrics were incredibly juvenile. This stuck me as a song that, were I in that band, I would be looking back on now with a great deal of embarrassment (esp. if I had written it). The reason I wanted these songs was because everybody in this group seems to like Savatage.. whereas I like very little of the one album I do have (Dead Winter Dead).. mainly the classical sections and the last song before they start showing off at the end. >Here is the Metal Blade review from the Promo Disc. >--------- >A Pleasant Shade of Gray marks a new chapter in the Fates Warning story. >Not only is the album one song, clocking in at over fifty five minutes, but >a couple of new muisicans were enlisted to help out the Fates Warning nucleus >of guitarist/ongwriter Jim Matheos, vocalist Ray Alder and Mark Zonder on >drums. Ex-Armored Saint bassist Joey Vera was brought in to round out the >rhythm ssection with Zonder while Kevin Moore from Dream Theater was >recruited for his expertise on keyboards. Matheos wrote the album from his >home in New Hampshire after Fates Warning completed their tour for the >1994 release, Inside Out. A Pleasant Shade of Gray reflects the changes that >the band has gone through over the years with its variety of styles and the >maturity of the song writting and musicianship. Parts of the composition are >reminiscent of vintage Fates warning from the No Exit or Parallels period while >others section border on industrial, progressive rock and even classical. The >album has a huge, atmospheric sound comparable to the likes of Yes or Pink >Floyd thanks to the production of Terry Brown, who is famous for his work with >Rush. All of the actual album artwork is also done by Hugh Syme who has done the > last three Fates Warning covers as well as most of Rush's. The Progression >that Fates Warning exhibits on this, thier latest masterpiece, can also be >compared to the changes a certian Canadian trio has undergone over the years. >It is this continuing development of Fates' sound that makes this the most >anticipated and ambitious release of thier illustrious career. >------------------------ Ever notice how record labels often gloss over certain details? Where is Dibiase on this one? How about Aresti? They've been on every album together except one until this one (Dibiase has been on all of them). I'm glad they have a keyboardist though, that element was really missing before. One last snap: WHY do so many prog-metal groups compare themselves to Rush? I like Fate's Warning, but I wouldn't compare ANY success they've had to Rush's on a critical, commercial or musical level. >could take advantage of it. There are some pieces that I think would do >well on the radio if given the chance. Well they might have wanted to do something different. It's kind of nice actually that they're NOT going to piss everybody off by trying to sell out. Rather they're trying to make the best music they can, full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes. Sometimes I wish Dream Theater was more like that. >This release is due out 4/22/97. I'll be there (well actually I won't, unless Metal Blade finds some way to start leaking more stuff north of the 49th).. but I'll buy it as soon as I can anyway :). -- "To seek the sacred river Alph, and walk the caves of ice..." - Rush "Ashes and Diamonds,Foe and Friend/We were all equal in the end." -Pink Floyd "The sands of time were eroded by the river of constant change." - Genesis "Others steal your thoughts they're not confined within your mind"-DreamTheater ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 01:57:16 +0100 (MEZ) From: email_address_removed.de (Steffen Barabasch) To: email_address_removed (Ytsejam - the Dream Theater mailing list) Subject: Support act for Europe '97 Message-ID: Hi! As far as I know (but I guess it's safe) the opener for DT will be Enchant. Still no news about the show in Hamburg before the 10th. Setlist should be the same as December. Steffen Barabasch - THE MIRROR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 21:01:08 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: help! dt pics Message-ID: um..does anyone have live dt pics either: at the time of majesty while in concert w/ dominici or sometime before I&W thanx in advance.. -- "At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 02:01:01 +0100 (MEZ) From: email_address_removed.de (Steffen Barabasch) To: email_address_removed (Ytsejam - the Dream Theater mailing list) Subject: Whoops, forgot the ad ;-) Message-ID: Hey, I forgot my usual plug: For the latest info about the European dates check out my webpage: http://www.westend.com/TheMirror. Ok, ok, it's in German, but cool anyway! ;-) Later, Steffen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:02:44 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed.ca (Gordon McFee) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2336 Message-ID: >Nobody put ANYTHING from Shadow Gallary: Don't Ever Cry, Just Remember/ >Crystalline Dream. Those songs just make your heart all happy (warm >fuzzies!) not to mention they are tight as hell!! Just got my first Shadow Gallery this week. Their vocal component is one of the strongest I've heard in a long time. I'm not sure I'd say they really grip my emotions the way many other bands do though. > First of all, ACOS. I got the studio release before I got my copy of >Subconcious, so it was the first exposure I had ever had to the song. And tob >be honest, I was never very impressed with it. That is, until I heard the ... >that may or may not be what Portnoy saw when he wrote them. But that's what >makes it art. The passage above sounds too direct, too forced, too blunt... I >don't know. All IMHO, of course. I agree with you 110%. I could grow to like the ACOS studio version a great deal if not for.. "that".. the lyrics in Part V are worse, I'd say, than tacky. Try the adjectives "cheesy, corny, clumsy". Which is really quite surprising considering how bloody AMAZING the rest of it is. Perhaps the band felt that the original "lyrics" for Part V such as they were need a revision (I'd agree to a point).. but totally changing them like that just makes them sounds sophomoric, if I may borrow Jazzmin's assessment of the Majesty Demos (it was Jazzmin, right?) I like Voices a lot though :). -- "To seek the sacred river Alph, and walk the caves of ice..." - Rush "Ashes and Diamonds,Foe and Friend/We were all equal in the end." -Pink Floyd "The sands of time were eroded by the river of constant change." - Genesis "Others steal your thoughts they're not confined within your mind"-DreamTheater ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:49:14 -0500 From: MakTs To: Ytsejam Subject: Midnight, Arch, Sieges Even, Extreme, Spock Message-ID: >>Burning Bridges - Crimson Glory - sad and haunting, with Midnight really >>feeling it. Yeah, they had some really *great* songs and with Midnight a fantastic voice as well. Anybody knows what he's doing now? I've heard he's on alcohol, living under the bridge (absolutely unconfirmed!) ... hope it isn't true! And John Arch? He did "Night On Broken", "The Spectre Within" and "Awaken The Guardian" with Fates Warning. After that I only know that he was auditioning with DT, I guess to get Dominicis job. Is he in a band now? Any CDs after FW? His voice was weird but ... don't know ... I liked it! A few jams ago someone asked for Sieges Even: You're right, I don't care for their new CD neither. But they also did "Steps" and "A Sense Of Change" (90/91). Check them out; at least the 2nd one! Unfortunately very weak production! But good, complex song-structures, well ...real prog! Somehow reminds me of Rush (but don't know why) ... >>Always wondered what happened to the guys in the period between a >>religious-overtoned, generally uplifting album like _III Sides_ and a >>cynical, darker _Waiting for the Punchline_. (From "Please tell me God >>isn't dead" to "There is no God". From "Don't Leave Me Alone" to "Leave Me >>Alone"). Right, that's a question I'd also like to get answered! And to all those who still wonder about Spock's Beard: Don't hesitate! If you think you'd like a mixture of Pink Floyd, Yes and ELP: Buy them! They're fantastic! Cheers! Mak ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 18:27:54 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: STOP Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, Felipe Comparsi wrote: > PLEASE!!! Stop sending me mails!!! My box are full!!! > > email_address_removed.br > Okay. :) ~Eckie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 20:53 EST From: Soul Madness To: email_address_removed Subject: Songs That Rock Message-ID: Okay, I told everyone the songs that touch me, now heres the songs that just flat out rock: Savatage- Ghost In The Ruins (the best guitar solo in the world), Of Rage And War (when performed live), anything off Edge Of Thorns, The Dungeons Are Calling and Sirens, Warriors, Washed Out and Hard For Love Dream Theater- Pull Me Under, Take The Time, Metropolis, 6:00, Caught In A Web, Lie, The Mirror, Perfect Strangers, etc. Warrior Soul- Drugs, God And The New Republic, I See The Ruins, Superpower Dreamland, Blown Away, The Answer, Jump For Joy, Love Destruction, Blown, Punk And Belligerent, Ass Kicking, I Want Some, Cargos Of Doom, Lets Get Wasted, No No No, Television, The Pretty Faces, Makin' It Holy, Kiss Me, My Sky, Last Decade Dead Century, Moonage Daydream, oh, hell, all of them Arcade- Messed Up World Carcass- I Told You So (Corporate Rock Really Does Suck), Heartwork Death- entire Symbolic album Enertia- The Mirror, Child Now Lost, I Know Your Demons, Same Old Story Flotsam And Jetsam- entire Cuatro, Drift and Doomsday discs Lillian Axe- Crucified, Those Who Prey Queensryche- Another Rainy Night, Empire, Jet City Woman, I Don't Believe In Love, Promised Land, Warning, En Force, Dis Con Nec Ted, the 3rd song off Promised Land (don't come to mind right now), etc. Nixons- Foma the album (so, there grunge, they're awesome) Overkill- I Hear Black, Battle, Where It Hurts, Bastard Nation Skid Row- Mudkicker, Living On A Chain Gang Doctor Butcher- Don't Talk To Me, The Chair DFR- Dream Thoughts, Soul Hold Fates Warning- The Apparition, Damnation, Soldier Boy Reverend- Promised Land Metal Church- The Human Factor album Damn, I named just about everything.... Don email_address_removed Warrior Soul Homepage (now featuring a Whats New section, a review with more to come, liner notes, lyrics, and info on rare CD singles) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:55:08 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" Subject: And now, for your enjoyment... Message-ID: I will list, in reverse-alphabetical order, the 5,294 songs that I most enjoy listening to while I touch myself. Oh, wait. There's a rule on this list that specifically prohibits top-whatever lists. Sorry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:57:15 EST From: email_address_removed (Edward J Wilk) To: email_address_removed Subject: Someone Else (FBV) Message-ID: Hey all, My band does a cover of Someone Else ('Ryche). It sounds good, but I think it might sound better as a cover (or at least be more of a crowd pleaser) if we had the whole band in it. Could someone e-mail and tell me where I could get a copy; or, preferably , e-mail me if you could send me a taped copy (I'd be glad to send the tape and pay for postage). Ytse-Ed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 21:58:02 -0500 From: Jeff DiBartolomeo To: email_address_removed Subject: YTSEJAM #2337 Message-ID: Hi folks: For some reason my mailreader chopped off half of digest # 2337. Can someone please email it to me. Thanks in advance. -Jeff -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jeff DiBartolomeo "Sometimes rewards can be few, when you know the potential of you. Steets left untraveled, decisions not made. Just regretful tales when the memories fade." - Chaos Theory, 1997 http://www.li.net/~jdibart/chaos-theory/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:11:44 +0000 From: "KorgX3" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Moving Songs Message-ID: > Nobody put ANYTHING from Shadow Gallary: Don't Ever Cry, Just Remember/ > Crystalline Dream. Those songs just make your heart all happy (warm > fuzzies!) not to mention they are tight as hell!! I put Alaska. Don't that count for anything? :) That song makes me yearn to be somewhere I've never been. It's like a calling. I like Say Goodbye to the Morning alot, too. Put that one up there. That one touched me the first time I listened and everafter. Missed that one. > This should be good for some flamage... but I received two songs > from the above album -- Edge of Thorns and He Carves His Stone. The > first sounds like a Bon Jovi song and the vocalist sort of ruins it > at the end because he keeps doing the > Phil-Collins-never-stop-singing thing with the "Anymo-o-o-ore... > anymooooorrrree" business. He Carves His Stone wasn't too bad.. > heavy enough certainly.. but the lyrics were incredibly juvenile. Was I fucking talking to you? NO! Shut the fuck up and move to the end of the line. This was for people interested in listening to Sav's other stuff. I'm sure if you didn't like DWD then you wouldn't like either Handful of Rain or Edge of Thorns. If only Bon Jovi had written songs like Edgo of Thorns. heheh... Bon Jovi still kick ass though if ya ask me.. Don't try to ruin it for everyone else. > > I agree with you 110%. I could grow to like the ACOS studio > version a great deal if not for.. "that".. the lyrics in Part V are > worse, I'd say, than tacky. Try the adjectives "cheesy, corny, > clumsy". Which is really quite surprising considering how bloody Could someone please desensitize this man? :) You must be sad cuz he didn't use mercy fuck or something in the studio version. :P Man there's a point where you gotta quit analyzing everything. Yer probably checking my mail for grammatical errors right now. Jeez... Boy am I bitter tonight... KorgX3 email_address_removed http://www.webspawner.com/users/KorgX3 Disclaimer: All entries posted in this text are copyrighted by KorgX3 and are subject to applicable laws. Unauthorized reproduction of any entry contained within without written consent of the owner is strictly forbidden. "Rokz nadz, kikz butz, and hott chikz" are trademarks owned by KorgX3. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:35:05 -0500 From: "Anthony N. Sciamanna" To: email_address_removed Subject: Manitou???(NDTC) Message-ID: Does anyone know anything about the band Manitou?? I got a couple of their songs on a tape someone made for me a while back. These guys are great. I can't find out if their material is available domestically (here in the states) or if it's available through in import place. If anyone has any info. e-mail me. Thanks *********************************** * Anthony Sciamanna * * Drums and Percussion * * CLOCKWORK * * email_address_removed * * * *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:56:28 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Shadow Gallery / Passionate Tunes Message-ID: Greetingz Jammerz - This is in response to Ryan in YJ2336 saying how nobody though that any Shadow Gallery tunes are "passionate". I DO!! I DO!! :-) In YJ2334, I wrote that "Warcry" qualifies for my list BIG TIME. God, what a song! In actuality, I think that "Carved In Stone" just oozes passion... that's why it's one of my all-time favorite albums! Reading many of the other posts regarding this thread jarred my memory as to some of the other ones that get me warm and fuzzy... I never realized there were so many! BTW, going in the other extreme, one song that gets my heart pounding furiously every time is AC/DC "Let There Be Rock". Just picked up their new Live in Madrid video - F**kin' AWESOME! Laterz, friendz.... Matt T. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2338 **************************