YTSEJAM Digest 2319 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Y-Jam 2317/Some things never change. by email_address_removed (Michael Coghlan ) 2) ordering from RAM in Milwaukee by email_address_removed 3) COMPLETE EURO DATES! by Neil Elliott 4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2318 by "Jeremy C. Hallum" 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2318 by Chris Ptacek 6) Re: da do do do da da da da by email_address_removed (Michael Coghlan ) 7) CMC, VH, other stuff... by Andrew Forcier 8) prog bands by luis vargas 9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2314\Wake UP! by Albert Balkiewicz 10) requests and replies by The Digital Man 11) Leatherwolf by Cygnus 12) Re: Rush's TFE by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" 13) Re: EVH ripoff by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" 14) by flavio maia 15) R: DT EUROPE DATES ! by "Fabris Andrea" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:27:42 -0600 (CST) From: email_address_removed (Michael Coghlan ) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Y-Jam 2317/Some things never change. Message-ID: >> Don't take this as an attack because it's not - just a "mature" view >>from a drummer who has explored both sides of this issue. > >Sure seems that way, big guy. You love to show up every now and then and cause trouble, don't you? How come anytime I say something it's causing trouble?? I guess you were just kidding. Right D-man?? If I replied to every comment on this list that I disagreed with I would have to put a toilet and a kitchen next to my computer. God Bless, Michael C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:15:50 -0600 (CST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: ordering from RAM in Milwaukee Message-ID: >>I also VERY highly recommend R.A.M. Music from Milwaukee. They used >>to advertise in Metal Edge or Metal Maniacs (I don't remember...). Very >>helpful on the phone and also very quick. > >I have to disagree here. I've ordered a lot of stuff from R.A.M. The last >thing I ordered was "Mood Swings" by Harem Scarem. It took 4 fuckin' >months. Last year I ordered a Nelson import (laugh, if you dare) and it >took 3 months for that. I haven't been ripped off by them, but I don't >set my watch by them either. Well, I have to agree with the first poster - I ordered several discs from them and they all arrived today. I will admit that I live in Milwaukee (they wouldn't let me pick them up - had to get them in the mail like everyone else), so that may have something to do with it. At any rate perhaps they were out of stock and didn't order any in - I had asked about Angra's demo CD and they didn't have it - said it would be about 3 weeks. Anyway, I've had good luck with them. Give them a call if your having trouble. Scott Hansen email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:48:12 -0500 From: Neil Elliott To: "INTERNET:email_address_removed" Subject: COMPLETE EURO DATES! Message-ID: Just got off the phone with New York, and here is the complete itinery of the mini Euro-tour in April: Sat. Apr 12 - Palalido, Milan, Italy Mon Apr. 14 - Melkweg, Amsterdam, Holland Tue. Apr. 15 & Wed. Apr. 16 - Noorderlight, Tilburg, Holland And that is it, no others are scheduled as yet, and seems unlikely at present. For now, Neil Elliott - DTIFC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:27:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2318 Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Mar 1997 email_address_removed wrote: > YTSEJAM Digest 2318 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:15:15 -0800 (PST) > From: The Incubus > Subject: prog only / Michael c. returns > < lots of snide crap deleted to make room for others > > > When I lived there ND had a law where nothing could open Sundaysexcept > for gas stations, restaurants and food stores. People didn't want stores > open because Sunday was the sabbath. But when you reminded them that the > people at the restaurants they went to after church were working they > would say "Well, that's *different*. Of course it was, because the people > were waiting on them. Hipocrits. Believe me, for everything you say is a > plus I can give you two minus'. Watch the movie Fargo sometime. It mostly > takes place in Brainerd, but it holds true for anywhere in the rural > midwest. But in the movie Fargo, the accents are crap, hailing from Minnesota, I can tell you that the only people *I* know who talk like that are my Grandmother and my Great Uncle. I don't know about ND, but in MN and SD it is peoples choice that they don't wish to be open on Sunday. Gives people time to play Pasture Pool, hunt Bambi, watch some Gridiron games, and other worthwhile escapades, as well as attend services. From my point of view, I'd much rather be in MN than MA, but not much Astronomy is done in MN, so I went to a place where I could pursue my career. MN is quieter, cleaner, the people are a lot nicer, and we have more blondes out there :). > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 02:19:35 -0600 > From: David Alderman > Subject: MN jammers help me! JP vid, and streets on tv (Sort of) > > Hey do any MN jammers know a record store in the Mpls. area where they > have a decent selection? This area is just so devoid of good music. Try any Best Buy, that's where I go to get my stuff when I am home. I never really got into Boots and stuff until I got here, so I really can't point you in a direction. > -jeremy +=====================================================================+ # grad student, Boston U. # To strive, to seek, # # Boston, MA 02134 # To find, and not to yield. # # Astronomy #"Understanding is a three-edged sword-- # # <*> <*> <*> # your side, their side, and the truth" # # Jeremy Hallum # No surrender, No retreat. # # email_address_removed # http://bu-ast.bu.edu/~jhallum/ # +=====================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:41:08 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Ptacek To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2318 Message-ID: > >You follow me on this one? Can I clarify? Remember how this is a > >progressive mailing list? And how Metallica is not a progressive band? > > uh, last time I checked this was the Dream Theater list. It has mutated > into a prog or whatever length D-Man's nose hairs are list, but I don't > remember ever seeing in Skadz update or the welcome email where it says > this is a progressive list. Metallica isn't progressive, but I've seen > MANY different bands discussed here that are about as progressive as > Green Day, Well, it's cool to touch on topics outside of Dream Theater and Prog... but not to make a lasting dominating thread about them. The last couple jams have been all Metallica content, mostly fucknuts that are so insecure that they feel they have to defend their beliefs that Metallica rules. Most of the jam doesn't care about Metallica. In the signup letter it is expressed that content outside of Dream Theater while in the same genre (I.E. Fates Warning, Shadow Gallery, etc...) is perfectly valid for discussion. It's also expressed that when a thread goes out of control, the list admin will step in and let us know. I believe he did that a while back. I just want to remind people that this is not a Metallica list, and that there are people replying to other metallica fan's comments, when that should be done over private e mail. Let's not start a thread on the rules of the jam. I am happy to discuss this by private e mail, or to forward you a copy of the signup rules. Just let me know: email_address_removed > Here's a scary one -- I've head of them, heard them, seen 'em live, AND got > the t'shirt... }:) I fear you. But then, I still like Winger. > >>I like it a lot, too. My fav b-side, thoughis their version of > Scarborough Fair. One wonderful QR fan either from the Jam or from the QR newsgroup sent me a high quality .wav of this song, so I could give Maddy back her tape of the tune. This is and has been my favorite QR song of all time, and they didn't even write it! It has so much power! I will probably put it on my page in .ra and mpeg3 format sometime soon. The .wav is HUGE. > This is the attitude that makes musicians homeless. Whenever a band makes a > change to their sound, all of their so-called fans go running around > screaming their heads off saying "I can't believe how much this sucks. . > .yadda, yadda", and sometimes won't even give it a second listen. Chris, I > am in no way attacking you, because I felt the same way you did about TfE > when I first heard it, but I have been a Rush fan for over 15 years, and I > knew I could find something about it that I did like. You are right in one > respect, Rush is *not* writing music *we* all know they should be making. > They never have, and I hope they continue to write music that makes *them* > happy. If you buy an album, you don't have the responsibility to like it. If you really care about that band, as in your case, you can learn to find things you do like, and eventually dig the whole album. This is something I do frequently. However it is NOT the responsibility of the fans to like a band's new sound. I was not interested in Rush after hearing the new album. I thought the lyrics were below what I'd come to expect. It is not my job to accept that and support the band. That sort of approach seems rather mindless. If you want to give an album a second chance, great. You're doing more for a band than most people would. But don't ever feel like you owe the band your time, or that you HAVE to find something you like in the music. That's one way that bands sell out... their fans believe they can do no wrong, and then they pull a money grab with a new commercially acceptable sound. If you actively listen and the music STILL does not appeal (this is often the case with an off key vocalist or bad lyrics) then just let it go. You can be a fan of a band without liking every album. If a band can continue to make music that makes them happy MUSICALLY, then the vibe they create will keep their fans listening. If they write music to make themselves financially happy, they don't usually keep that same energy. To conclude, I am glad you like T4E. No sarcasm. But I found it flawed irreconcilably, and I don't think there's anything wrong with not buying the album AND STILL calling myself a Rush fan. - Chris Ptacek - Mr. Potatofrog - And his bucket of spooge - Buckets of spooge - For every stooge - Nothing rhymes with Orange - Orange - Orange ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:55:35 -0600 (CST) From: email_address_removed (Michael Coghlan ) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: da do do do da da da da Message-ID: > Ken Mc. writes: >Triggers are a great idea which needs to wait for technology to catch >up. They cannot capture all of the dynamics of the drummer. Just >listen to IAW. All of the snare hits sound exactly the same. Portnoy >has said that even notes he meant to be ghost (or grace) notes came >out the same volume as the normal hits (he was referring to the middle >of Metropolis specificially). I agree with you to a point, that is I don't believe that drum trigger tech has stayed up with other instrument technology - BUT, unless I'm mistaken there are electronic drums and triggering mechanisims that at least take a stab at drumming dynamics. Some do a pretty good job too. I have listened to I&W as much (probably more) than most on this list and I know of which you speak (the Metropolis piece) but I do remember hearing some press rolls in LTL. Don't misunderstand, I'm not drum triggering's biggest fan, but I do think the people have knocked I&W on the triggering issue and tried to take away from it's artisic beauty. My feeling is that I&W would have been such a smash at least percussion-wise if we hadn't heard the drums the way the are. >My opinion on triggers is not based on >his word as gospel; I just happen to agree with him as a fellow >drummer. Then my statement was not directed toward you - there are always exceptions when these discussions ensue. I don't see how a drummer interested in using dynamics in >their playing would even consider using triggers right now. Maybe in >10-20 years when they develop very sensitive drum pads. I don't think we'll have to wait that long, but I get your point. >Are you a betting man, Mike? :) Depends.. I'd win more than I would lose on this one. "A wonderful thing is a trigger, a trigger's a wonderful thing..." Michael C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 13:01:22 -0800 From: Andrew Forcier To: email_address_removed Subject: CMC, VH, other stuff... Message-ID: Hello folks! You will never find someone who has less respect for the CMC label than me. I had seen one of my top five bands, Saigon Kick, on each of their first three tours, and was eagerly awaiting a new album from them back in 1995. Then I find out they had already released an album on the CMC label. I got it four months after its release, and missed the entire tour. I had no constant access to the internet to keep checking the web page, so I never got the info. When I did find out, I had to go to three different store to find the album. They better not screw up when SK releases their album this year. If I miss another tour, I'm goin' on a manhunt. As for this: >>And then there's Eddie VH who rips off of his own songs when he runs >>out of ideas. :) I know this is a joke, but has anyone else noticed that the opening of Aftershock sounds just like Megadeth's Bad Omen. It's uncanny, but I doubt Eddie was ever a Megadeth fan. Glad to see other Cheap Trick fans in here. Can't wait till April 15. They've got a new album coming and so does INXS. Anyone else going to buy the new Collective Soul next week? And am I the only one who will be steering very clear of Private Parts. And if there are any jammers in the Jacksonville, FL area, let me know, I'm going to be there next week. Andrew _____________________ When the music stops, There's only the sound of the rain... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 13:36:49 -0500 (EST) From: luis vargas To: email_address_removed Subject: prog bands Message-ID: fellow jammers: you'll have to excuse me...this is a 1st time ad.... much like all youz...i'm a DT/prog rock freak lookin' to hear as much stuff as i can... anyone with the following CDs/recordings..PLEASE,PRETTY PLEASE SEND SOME INFO..... Altura, Superior, Angra, Shadow Gallery..ETC.,ETC,..ETC.. " Take away my pain", Ytsedude. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 13:04:11 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2314\Wake UP! Message-ID: > > >Back in the old days England used to tax the wealthiest citizens a > >tax rate of 95%!!!! I shit you not; 95%. But the USA sucks, right > >Graham? ;) > > Yes! The USA sucks in this respect. Who is the ignorant person who > wrote this? I don't want to know. I'm embarassed for you guy. We in > the USA are taxed many times more that we were when we decided to leave > England and build the USA and have "no taxation without (yadda...yadda....more typical flaming rambling from this yahoo) I could be wrong, but I believe the top statement is saying that the country of England used to tax English citizens with a tax rate of 95%......also please notice the smiley at the end of the statement........ Please keep flaming and stupidity to private E-mail.....such as this post..... YTSEJAM content: IF you guys can, please somehow place your E-mail addresses in the body of the message........that way if anyone has a desire to flame someone into oblivion or even - God forbid - have constructive comments for a person, they can E-mail you privately....... DT Content: none really.....any NEW threads out there???? - Al -- @#%^$#%^#$&#%%$&#$%^#$%^#$%&#$%^&#$%^&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%^&%$ | | | See me gone and persevere.... | | Condescending when you label me Judas.... | | | #$%^#%&#%^$*%&*^&*%&(%^&(%^&*(%^&*(*%^&*$^&*#^%&#^*$%^&*#%^&*#$%& | Al Balkiewicz SEND MAIL HERE -->balkiewi @ njmsa.umdnj.edu | | OR HERE! --->DA_PROF @ BIGFOOT.COM | %@#$^@#$^@^%%$&#$&^*$%&*$&*$%^$&$%^&$%^*$^%&*$%^&*$%^*$%^&%$^&%$% ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 13:59:38 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" Subject: requests and replies Message-ID: > From: The Incubus > Subject: prog only / Michael c. returns > > uh, last time I checked this was the Dream Theater list. It has mutated > into a prog or whatever length D-Man's nose hairs are list, but I don't Oh, btw, just in case anyone was wondering, they're about 1/8" now. ---- > From: Pat Daugherty > Subject: stuff > > Whats with this ragging on Dokken and Whitesnake? They were definitely > the cream of the crop of the 80's hard rock bands. Dokken is still Rokkin Man, I almost spit my Dew at the screen reading that. Not that I disagree - I like Dokken, and I love Whitesnake, in all its various incarnations. But that "Dokken is still Rokkin" line just made me tumble. :) > In some realted DT content I am taking the fiancee to see Phil Collins > (formerly of Genesis) tonight. I really have no clue what to expect. Will > he do Genesis songs or stick to his pop hits? He best play In the Air > Tonight though.... Don't hold your breath waiting for "Supper's Ready." ---- > From: email_address_removed (Michael Coghlan ) > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2314\Wake UP! > > >Back in the old days England used to tax the wealthiest citizens a > >tax rate of 95%!!!! I shit you not; 95%. But the USA sucks, right > >Graham? ;) > > Yes! The USA sucks in this respect. Who is the ignorant person who > wrote this? I don't want to know. I'm embarassed for you guy. We in [yada yada yada] So, you leave for a few months, and then come back and start a flame war about TAXES? Man, you're an idiot. ---- > From: Albert Balkiewicz > Subject: Re: New stuff... > > > Not really. Christ is a hell of a player. > > I surprised D-man or Bafu (where are you?) didn't jump > on this..... Well, I don't normally take requests, but because it's Al, I will. :) Yeah, he's very good, but Gretzky can still take him on the one-timer. Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week. Try the veal, it's delicious. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 13:21:41 -0600 (CST) From: Cygnus To: email_address_removed Subject: Leatherwolf Message-ID: Does anyone remember this band? (Leatherwolf, that is). I have only heard the tape of their '87 album and am interested in finding their '84, '87, and Street Ready albums on CD. Amazing how I had the tape for 5 years (given to me by a sibling who didn't listen to it anymore) and didn't even listen to it until a couple months ago. E-mail at email_address_removed ***Rob*** ------------------------------ Date: 05 Mar 97 10:48:11 -0800 From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Rush's TFE Message-ID: Chris De wrote: >I kind of felt the same way about the new Rush album. Up until >TfE, I thought that band could do no wrong, and that everything they >released would be slick. When TfE was released, I was so disappointed Interesting, 'cause I feel exactly oppositely.. I wasn't too impressed with "counterparts", with the exception of a couple of songs, and was pretty happy when I first heard TFE. I think they've released their best album in years. I like it better than RtB also. I hope you didn't let your disappointment keep you away from their tour this (last?) year - it was absolutely an incredible concert experience. 2112 in its entirety - need I say more? -Neil. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $ "The price is wrong... bitch." $ $ -Adam Sandler to Bob Barker, 'Happy Gilmore' $ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ------------------------------ Date: 05 Mar 97 11:00:53 -0800 From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: EVH ripoff Message-ID: KorgX3 wrote: >And then there's Eddie VH who rips off of his own songs when he runs >out of ideas. :) I swear I was able sing the chorus part for >Roundabout in a couple of the songs off of the last album. Ahh... I assume you're referring to "Runaround?" I'd be curious to hear which songs you think sound like Runaround. I don't think any songs from the last album have the same rhythm/vibe, with the possible exception of "Big Fat Money," and I can't hear the chorus of Runaround over that progression - it's too fast and busy, for one. -Neil. --------------------------------------------------------------- | "Lots of people think a song without singing is not a song. | | Tell that to Beethoven and he'll kick your ass." | | | | --Edward Van Halen-- | --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:33:46 -0300 (EST) From: flavio maia To: email_address_removed Message-ID: ytsejam-request unsubscribe flavio maia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 20:03:29 +0100 From: "Fabris Andrea" To: Subject: R: DT EUROPE DATES ! Message-ID: ---------- > Da: D. Schoen > A: Multiple recipients of list > Oggetto: DT EUROPE DATES ! > Data: domenica 2 marzo 1997 0.20 > > There will be one show in Italy and possibly a few in Germany > and 3 shows in Holland!!!!! Oh my God!!! Where and when are scheduled the shows in Italy? Pleeease, someone tell me something!!! I'm still regretting 'cause I didn't go to the last shows DT did in Italy (and they've been twice in Rome!!). A desperate jammer. Qapla' Andrea Fabris (e-mail: ea00628@flashnet.it) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- "Io ne ho viste cose... che voi umani non potreste mai immaginarvi" -Blade Runner ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2319 **************************