YTSEJAM Digest 2318 Today's Topics: 1) prog only / Michael c. returns by The Incubus 2) Tyketto... by "Susan Ostroske" 3) Bela Fleck--Progressive Music wins a Grammy!! by email_address_removed (Michael Bradley) 4) Re: U W, quarterbacks by Stephen Daedalus 5) MN jammers help me! JP vid, and streets on tv (Sort of) by David Alderman 6) Prog covers of S&G by email_address_removed 7) Enchant-Wounded by email_address_removed 8) Info about DT italian gig and stuff fro trade! by "Francesco" 9) DT convention in Lyon by email_address_removed.ch 10) Re: prog only / Michael c. returns by email_address_removed 11) Re: California Guitar Trio by Syrinx 12) Sentinal Steel by email_address_removed 13) stuff by Pat Daugherty 14) Savatage/Blind Guardian by Pat Daugherty 15) Re: New stuff... by Scott Holthausen 16) Open minds unite..... by email_address_removed 17) drum triggers by " Ken McWatters" 18) Re: New stuff... by Albert Balkiewicz 19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2317 by Dan 20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2314\Wake UP! by email_address_removed (Michael Coghlan ) 21) Re: New stuff... by Albert Balkiewicz ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:15:15 -0800 (PST) From: The Incubus To: the prog list? Subject: prog only / Michael c. returns Message-ID: >You follow me on this one? Can I clarify? Remember how this is a >progressive mailing list? And how Metallica is not a progressive band? uh, last time I checked this was the Dream Theater list. It has mutated into a prog or whatever length D-Man's nose hairs are list, but I don't remember ever seeing in Skadz update or the welcome email where it says this is a progressive list. Metallica isn't progressive, but I've seen MANY different bands discussed here that are about as progressive as Green Day, plus the Metallica list sucks more than any list I've ever seen in my life. The list admin is a prick. >May God Bless and shine His light upon you, >Michael C. Hey Mike! Glad you're back! This is for you: "I deny Jesus Christ, the Deceiver and I abjure the Christian faith. Holding in contempt all of it's works." (lyrics to "The Oath" by Mercyful Fate") I told you before you were booted over a year ago that if you kept this crap up I'd find some Satanic shit to quote, and since I have all the Mercyful Fate albums I didn't have to look very far. >Yeah, ND is cold and I have to work a little harded to find my >favorite CD's, but at least I breathe clean air, NEVER fight rush >hour traffic, To have a rush hour you have to have PEOPLE. >pay very low living expenses and so on. It's low rent because no one wants to live there. >Maybe you just don't apperciate the more subtle pleasures of life Like watching grass grow, having sex with farm animals or marrying my sister? No, I don't enjoy those things very much. >or maybe you couldn't handle the weather (not to say you're a WIMP or anything). The Wheather didn't bother me much. It's amazing what you can put up with when you have no choice. >As the for Miss Teen USA's comments: Oh well, I guess we should ALL >treasure the advice of some bleach-blond teenie-bopper... >I think you should reevaluate your choice or role models. She's not a role model, I just thought it was interesting when I was watching the show and that was her answer to what she wanted to do when she graduated. When I lived there ND had a law where nothing could open Sundaysexcept for gas stations, restaurants and food stores. People didn't want stores open because Sunday was the sabbath. But when you reminded them that the people at the restaurants they went to after church were working they would say "Well, that's *different*. Of course it was, because the people were waiting on them. Hipocrits. Believe me, for everything you say is a plus I can give you two minus'. Watch the movie Fargo sometime. It mostly takes place in Brainerd, but it holds true for anywhere in the rural midwest. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 97 07:52:58 UT From: "Susan Ostroske" To: email_address_removed Subject: Tyketto... Message-ID: (Yes, I'm still around -- sometimes...) Tyketto, huh?? Here's a scary one -- I've head of them, heard them, seen 'em live, AND got the t'shirt... }:) Oh yah -- for those of you on my mailing list (which I lost....brilliant me), the web page has been completely overhauled (again). Check it out. Suz http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3781 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 03:13:32 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Michael Bradley) To: email_address_removed Subject: Bela Fleck--Progressive Music wins a Grammy!! Message-ID: Hey guys! I agree with everyone that the Grammy's are a crock. After all, Led Zeppelin never even got one. However, Bela Fleck and the Flecktones won Best Pop Instrumental performance this year!! That's a huge win for progressive music. Those of you who haven't heard them should check out their "Live Art" album and prepare to be blown away! -Mike Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 03:20:57 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Daedalus To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: U W, quarterbacks Message-ID: Do all you U W Jammers know each other? There are a lot of you. I still wish I was a quarterback. Be well. Matt B ==================== "You are all weirdos. Hmph." (Sam the Eagle, The Great Muppet Movie) "Now all we need is a little enerjon, and a lot of luck." (Optimus Prime, Transformers the Movie) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 02:19:35 -0600 From: David Alderman To: email_address_removed Subject: MN jammers help me! JP vid, and streets on tv (Sort of) Message-ID: Hey do any MN jammers know a record store in the Mpls. area where they have a decent selection? This area is just so devoid of good music. Oh I recently got the JP instructional video. I threw my guitar away shortly after watching it. Jeepers that guy is fast! I ordered this from CDNow and it took them about 4 weeks to get it to me for ~$35. Oh there is an ad on television that has the traditional version of the song "Heal My Soul" that is on Savatage's Streets. I can't remember what the ad was for but it had Christopher Reeves in it and was for some sort of charity thing I believe. Kinda cool to hear. Well that is all... David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 00:25:50 -0800 From: email_address_removed Subject: Prog covers of S&G Message-ID: >>I like it a lot, too. My fav b-side, thoughis their version of Scarborough Fair. >Ooh, I heard this a few weeks ago. VERY cool. Nice and dark-sounding. I like the >original, too. ---------- Is that Simon & Garfunkel's Scarborough Fair? Heir Appearant does a killer version of The Sound of Silence. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 00:29:27 -0800 From: email_address_removed Subject: Enchant-Wounded Message-ID: >Hey, has anyone out there know anything about Enchant "Wounded" being >released on Magna Carta? I'd heard it was supposed to be out today but >so far no one has s**t on it! ---------- MC says its has been delayed until May 1. I know because I tried to order it already. Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:02:33 +0000 From: "Francesco" To: email_address_removed Subject: Info about DT italian gig and stuff fro trade! Message-ID: 1) Hello Jammers, I'm an italian fan of The Band... if anyone of you is interested I can record a CD bootleg called "Skyway of nightmares" (live in Germany '93) and a VHS bootleg (PAL) of the gig in Milan '95, perfect quality. I'm interested in about everything you have, since I have nothing else! 2) About DT concert in Italy. I heard here that IT WILL BE DONE in a little town close to Milan (Gallarate I think) but it will be a mess to find tickets.... I'm still waiting for a confirmation anyway. I'll let you know about it. 3) Never heard a prog band called TIME MACHINE ? It's italian and really killer one!!! Greetings from the beautiful Italy!! Francesco Amendola Via Rosselli 24 70126 Bari Italy tel. ++39 80 5537163 ++39 360 622207 e-mail: amendo@tno.it HP: http://www.angelfire.com/sd/sundown/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:00:40 +0100 From: email_address_removed.ch To: email_address_removed Subject: DT convention in Lyon Message-ID: >From: email_address_removed.fr (Ties GOEBEL) >To: email_address_removed >Subject: DT in Europe, French DT convention, new albums! >Message-ID: >Stephane is organizing it, and he didn't tell the jam yet 'cause he wanted to >wait until everything was confirmed. I will surely be there, any other >'jammers planning to travel to Lyon? Yeah me dammit!!! All this info on LV's URL, by the way. Also they're planning of touring Europe maybe in 97 with Superior and Shadow Gallery? ............................................. D A V E K I N G b a s s & v o x M T 2 0 p r o g m e t a l ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 03:16:52 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: prog only / Michael c. returns Message-ID: > Green Day, plus the Metallica list sucks more than any list I've ever > seen in my life. The list admin is a prick. > No, the MEGADETH list admin is a SOOPER PRICK! Rattlhead, I think. Whattafucker. ~Eckie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:19:10 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx To: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" Subject: Re: California Guitar Trio Message-ID: > Does anyone know anything about the California Guitar Trio? How good are > these guys? types of music, do they play with drummer/bass or just guitars, > musical styles, where to find their discs.. they have two albums out: Yamanashi Blues and Invitation. How good are they? I love them. Imagine 3 guitarists (trained very, very well) playing together. my mom says it sounds like mexican guitar music, and i guess it's a fair comparison. where to pick them up: possible productions: 1-310-435-5901.w ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 05:28:49 -0800 From: email_address_removed Subject: Sentinal Steel Message-ID: Does anyone (Kevin D.?) have a phone number or web site for Sentinal Steel? The number I have 201-586-1058 is out of service and directory assistance has no listing for them in NJ. thanks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:44:31 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: stuff Message-ID: I forgot to save the email address of the person who logged the Dragon Attack chat on AOL. Can that person or someone else who has the log send it to me? Thanks I feel Metallica should be allowed to be discussed here. We shouldn't go overboard on it though. DT did cover Damage so Metallica is in some degree DT related if they aren't considered prog. Whats with this ragging on Dokken and Whitesnake? They were definitely the cream of the crop of the 80's hard rock bands. Dokken is still Rokkin and I look forward to new Whitesnake. Both bands have or had some great musicians in them at one time. Dokken with George Lynch and Jeff Pilson. Whitesnake with Steve Vai, Adrian Vandenburg, John Sykes, Rudy Sarzo? I wish there were more bands like these around today instead of all these alternative grunge annoying bands... In some realted DT content I am taking the fiancee to see Phil Collins (formerly of Genesis) tonight. I really have no clue what to expect. Will he do Genesis songs or stick to his pop hits? He best play In the Air Tonight though.... |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:49:35 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: Savatage/Blind Guardian Message-ID: Does anyone know what else is on the Savatage One Child import single? I was just at cdconnection.com and they have around 7 Blind Guardian titles. I am not sure if they are all from the same blind guardian or not. since there has been some BG discussion I thought some might be interested. |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 97 14:45:00 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Holthausen To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: New stuff... Message-ID: Chris DiGiuseppe wrote: > I kind of felt the same way about the new Rush album. Up until >TfE, I thought that band could do no wrong, and that everything they >released would be slick. When TfE was released, I was so disappointed >(on top of that shit they pulled with Working Man), that I dont really >get anything out of Rush's music anymore. Its sad, but like MAddy said, >when a band's 'experiment' turns out music that all sounds the same, I >feel like they're running in circles, and Im turning away. Thus, instead >of paying attention to the music that we all know they should be making, >they have chosen to become Status Seekers.:) This is the attitude that makes musicians homeless. Whenever a band makes a change to their sound, all of their so-called fans go running around screaming their heads off saying "I can't believe how much this sucks. . .yadda, yadda", and sometimes won't even give it a second listen. Chris, I am in no way attacking you, because I felt the same way you did about TfE when I first heard it, but I have been a Rush fan for over 15 years, and I knew I could find something about it that I did like. You are right in one respect, Rush is *not* writing music *we* all know they should be making. They never have, and I hope they continue to write music that makes *them* happy. Scott Holthausen "I was not content to believe in a personal devil and serve him, in the ordinary sense of the word. I wanted to get hold of him personally and become his chief of staff." ------------------------------- Aleister Crowley (1875-1947) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 97 09:50:19 -0600 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Open minds unite..... Message-ID: For all of you (and I know there's good number) who do nothing but deride music that's not some sort of rock or classical, check out "Rhyme & Reason," a new documentary on the roots and lifeline of rap. Greg Kot (of the Chicago Tribune) reviewed the movie and said it was amazing, "treating hip-hop not as a monolith but as a vibrant, conflicted and often contradictory collection of voices....Often portrayed as one-dimensional caricatures, here they are revealed as multi-faceted human beings. I usually agree with what Kot writes. He's a very balanced music critic. He finished his stroy by saying "And to those who hold the music at arm's length, here's a reason to start paying attention." Knowledge is power. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 07:50:55 -0800 (PST) From: " Ken McWatters" To: email_address_removed Subject: drum triggers Message-ID: Michael C. writes: >though. I guess it's "not the best thing" to amplify or manipulate sound from >instuments of Rock now? Why should the drum evolution stop at with just a >microphone on the drum. If guitarists and keyboardists meddle with their sound >why not drums? A few on the list have expressed their dissaproval of the drum trigger >issue, I believe most of these people are jumping on the bandwagon. Well Mike P. >said it so it must be so. Triggers are a great idea which needs to wait for technology to catch up. They cannot capture all of the dynamics of the drummer. Just listen to IAW. All of the snare hits sound exactly the same. Portnoy has said that even notes he meant to be ghost (or grace) notes came out the same volume as the normal hits (he was referring to the middle of Metropolis specificially). My opinion on triggers is not based on his word as gospel; I just happen to agree with him as a fellow drummer. I don't see how a drummer interested in using dynamics in their playing would even consider using triggers right now. Maybe in 10-20 years when they develop very sensitive drum pads. >Hmmmmm. Maturity - I would bet I've played drums longer than you have been on this earth. Are you a betting man, Mike? :) Ken ************************************************************* Ken McWatters email_address_removed http://www.angelfire.com/tx/kmcwatters Quote of the month: "Give me a conflict, give me a war/ Just give me something worth fighting for" -Kevin Gilbert, "Shadow Self", Thud ************************************************************* --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:56:05 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: New stuff... Message-ID: > OK, are you talking about that song by (you know, that band?), who > wrote the song, "Whip it?" The guys that wore the fire hydrants or > whatever on their heads? Who was that... I know it. My mom's got > it in her 80s collection... I dunno if that's the song I was DEVO!!!!!! heh, fire hydrants! that's funny - they were definitely one tripped-out group......didn't they also where those huge suits with the big big shoulder thingies? or was that Talking Heads......aaaah, just ignore me, I'm in a daze - going to see Private Parts in T-minus 36 hours! -Al -- @#%^$#%^#$&#%%$&#$%^#$%^#$%&#$%^&#$%^&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%^&%$ | | | See me gone and persevere.... | | Condescending when you label me Judas.... | | | #$%^#%&#%^$*%&*^&*%&(%^&(%^&*(%^&*(*%^&*$^&*#^%&#^*$%^&*#%^&*#$%& | Al Balkiewicz SEND MAIL HERE -->balkiewi @ njmsa.umdnj.edu | | OR HERE! --->DA_PROF @ BIGFOOT.COM | %@#$^@#$^@^%%$&#$&^*$%&*$&*$%^$&$%^&$%^*$^%&*$%^&*$%^*$%^&%$^&%$% ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:04:30 -0500 (EST) From: Dan To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2317 Message-ID: I have a Tyketto album...It is called Easy Come Easy Go I think....but I will have to check on that if anyone is interested in it..I haven't listen to it in a while. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:11:36 -0600 (CST) From: email_address_removed (Michael Coghlan ) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2314\Wake UP! Message-ID: >Back in the old days England used to tax the wealthiest citizens a >tax rate of 95%!!!! I shit you not; 95%. But the USA sucks, right >Graham? ;) Yes! The USA sucks in this respect. Who is the ignorant person who wrote this? I don't want to know. I'm embarassed for you guy. We in the USA are taxed many times more that we were when we decided to leave England and build the USA and have "no taxation without respresentation". Sneak up on a history book. How much tax did you pay last year out of your salary? - a rhetorical question. A 35% tax rate... I guess you don't mind devoting more than a quarter or a third of your time working for people who can't say no to a balance budget and throw good money after bad. Are you still living with your parents????? WAKE UP!!! Michael C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:48:49 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: New stuff... Message-ID: > Not really. Christ is a hell of a player. I surprised D-man or Bafu (where are you?) didn't jump on this..... -Al -- @#%^$#%^#$&#%%$&#$%^#$%^#$%&#$%^&#$%^&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%^&%$ | | | See me gone and persevere.... | | Condescending when you label me Judas.... | | | #$%^#%&#%^$*%&*^&*%&(%^&(%^&*(%^&*(*%^&*$^&*#^%&#^*$%^&*#%^&*#$%& | Al Balkiewicz SEND MAIL HERE -->balkiewi @ njmsa.umdnj.edu | | OR HERE! --->DA_PROF @ BIGFOOT.COM | %@#$^@#$^@^%%$&#$&^*$%&*$&*$%^$&$%^&$%^*$^%&*$%^&*$%^*$%^&%$^&%$% ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2318 **************************