YTSEJAM Digest 2317 Today's Topics: 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2245 by email_address_removed 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2315 by email_address_removed 3) subtlerage - first impressions by email_address_removed (Elliott Kim) 4) New stuff... by Chris DiGiuseppe 5) Rudess & Mortgenstein? by email_address_removed 6) MP or JM instructional Video. by Hector Crisantes 7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2316 by "Richard A. Rivera" 8) John Christ by David Sabetai 9) Re: Magellan and Lemur Voice by Walter Semerenko 10) Re: Symphony X by Walter Semerenko 11) California Guitar Trio by Paul Goracke 12) WRIF, CMC, Jackson deal by Kramer 13) Re: Magellan and Lemur Voice by Damon Fibraio 14) Uh oh... by The Digital Man 15) Re: New stuff... by "KorgX3" 16) Tyketto by "Monty J. Newberry" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:10:27 -0600 (CST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2245 Message-ID: On 02/03/97 23:36:08 you wrote: >From: durnik >Images & Words had a very artificial-sounding drum sound, even >though it stood out well in the mix. Awake has this amazing drum sound >where you can hear every last splash and mini-tom, but the album itself >is mixed a bit too thickly to appreciate the drum sound much. Mike try listening to I&W and Awake again, specifically LTL and Scarred. Then you tell me which track has the cymbals and smaller toms more audible. I guess I'm saying I feel just the opposite of you. I&W is much more clearer in this respect. > Those of you who want to be blown away by how good Mike's drum >sound can be, must either go see them in concert, or buy the Progressive Try the above (I've only seen DT three times), because I sure can't hear MP's "great drum sound" in the boots I have. At the concerts I've seen the drums have varied in sound and tone which is par for the course if your just miking the drums. Michael C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:18:49 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2315 Message-ID: Hello all jammers. First of alI id like to say that DreamTheater diserves an award and that progressive rock should be recognized in all music awards. Second I wanted to know if anyone has seen the new Mike Portnoy video "Progressive Drumming"? and finally when the hell are the boys comming to California? "I rather live like an Esh than die like a GOV" ~~DrummerEsh and the Esh crew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:25:44 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Elliott Kim) To: The Ytsejam Subject: subtlerage - first impressions Message-ID: Go to http://www.subtlerage.com NOW! Listen to the samples. Buy First Impressions!!! I just got the tape in the mail yesterday. I was amazed by the quality of the recording/production, packaging, and most importantly, the music. Not only does he have chops to burn, and a great melodic and compositional sense, he writes from the heart, and as a result, the music is uniquely and undeniably Andrew Miller. Don't buy the tape because I say so... don't buy it because Andrew Miller says so... Buy it because you're a person who wants to hear great music. -- Elliott Kim -------------------------------------------------------- --e l l i o t t @ f x n . c o m ----- E - M a n @ d r e a m t . o r g-- --h t t p : / / w w w . f x n . c o m / u s e r s / e / e l l i o t t-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 23:06:38 -0800 From: Chris DiGiuseppe To: email_address_removed Subject: New stuff... Message-ID: >Actually a friend of mine claims it is a song called "push it". You >know, >the one that goes.. "aaah... push it, push it real good", and then the >melody that follows is similar to the main riff in UIP. I can't remember >the band's name... but I think most of you know which song I'm talking >about! ;) Its true!! I was immediately reminded of that wacky 80's tune as soon as I heard 'Until it Sleeps'! Anyways, I will be severely disappointed if Queensryche has gone semi-mainstreamish. I mean, I'll be REALLY pissed. I love QR almost as much as I do DT, and It would really blow if there new album is a let down. I kind of felt the same way about the new Rush album. Up until TfE, I thought that band could do no wrong, and that everything they released would be slick. When TfE was released, I was so disappointed (on top of that shit they pulled with Working Man), that I dont really get anything out of Rush's music anymore. Its sad, but like MAddy said, when a band's 'experiment' turns out music that all sounds the same, I feel like they're running in circles, and Im turning away. Thus, instead of paying attention to the music that we all know they should be making, they have chosen to become Status Seekers.:) Well, that aside, can someone point me in the right direction to find some Symphony X material? I've heard a lot of good about this band, and I really want to check them out! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:16:21 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Rudess & Mortgenstein? Message-ID: Hey gang! Does anyone have the inside scoop on Rudess & Mortgenstein's new CD, like when it's coming out? I saw them open for DT in Poughkeepsie on the Fix tour.... Amazing!!! Rudess's web page doesn't tell me much. Thanx... - Matt T. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 21:21:10 -0800 From: Hector Crisantes To: email_address_removed Subject: MP or JM instructional Video. Message-ID: Hey Freaks!!@@@ It's me again, askin for your help again. I'm looking for a copy of either the MP or the JM instruccional videos. If anyone is willing to make a "GOOD QUALITY" doub, please let me know privately. I appreciate your time and help. Sincerely Hector Crisantes DTFreak ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:30:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2316 Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Mar 1997 email_address_removed wrote: > > > I have a weird opinion of CMC. There's a band I like called Tyketto > > (I'll be really impressed if anyone here has heard of them). A > > couple of years ago they put out there second album called "Strength > > In Numbers." It was their first release on CMC and it was actually > > Whaoh? I got that one. I swear the first time I heard Rescue me, I > though JP was playing guitar. After listening to it a little farther > it got all glammy, but I still like the album. :) Standing Alone > rocks. Wish I'd heard the original version. I was just lucky enuff > to find this in a used CD bin. There's an import of a newer one at > the local shoppe, but it's like $30 and I'm not sure if I wanna dish > out for it. That little descending diddle do diddle do diddle do > diddle do whaddle-addle-addle-addle rox. :) (Rescue Me) Anyway... > WOW! The jam never ceases to amaze me. "Strength In Numbers" is much more blusey than their first (and IMHO superior) album. "Standing Alone" is one of the best ballads of all time and the original isn't that much different than one you're talking about (a couple extra background vocals and acoustic guitar parts). Personally, I like the fist version better. I'm pretty sure that the import you're talking about is "Take Out And Served Up Live," a live & b-side collection with both singers (Danny Vahgn, who left after "Strength In Numbers" and his replacement, former lead singer for Tall Stories. Interestingly, Danny is now back in the band). > ---and--- > It's always your freedom to disagree. Maturity has nothing to do with it > though. I guess it's "not the best thing" to amplify or manipulate sound from > instuments of Rock now? We're not talking instruments as a whole, just drums. Why should the drum evolution stop at with just a > microphone on the drum. It doesn't have to. You can add reverb, delay, etc. If guitarists and keyboardists meddle with their sound > why not drums? It's not like you CAN'T do it with drums, I just personally don't like it as much. Here's why. The electric guitar and synthesizers are electric by their nature. When you plug one of these into an amp, you're naturally going to manipulate the signal in order to get any kind of sound (there very fact that they are designed to be plugged in is a tip-off). That's fine. But with drums, the signal, to me, sounds damn fine with just microphone amplification. You're just enhancing an organic sound. But in regards to drum triggers specifically, they distort the original sound to a point that it detracts from what I like to call the "human" factor...you know, variations in dynamics. Specifically, on "Metropolis", for the life of me, I couldn't figure out what the hell Mike was doing during the end of the instrumental section. But when I got a hold of a boot and listened to it, it became easier to understand. Not to say that I can play it, but at least a can hear what is going on. A few on the list have expressed their dissaproval of the drum trigger > issue, I believe most of these people are jumping on the bandwagon. Well Mike P. > said it so it must be so. Hmmmmm. Maturity - I would bet I've played drums > longer than you have been on this earth. > Probably a good bet. But the length of time one spends studying a subject does not necessarily justify his viewpoint. As a drummer, I personally don't like triggers. Maybe in sixty yeas I'll change my mind. Richie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 04:40:15 +0000 From: David Sabetai To: email_address_removed Subject: John Christ Message-ID: <19970305044003.AAD6775@LOCALNAME> >YT> They had people like John Christ (who picks as good as JP), >..snip... >I trust you mean Joe Perry. :) Not really. Christ is a hell of a player. He played Flight of the Bumblebee with every note picked and at the same tempo as the classical version. He showed the audience some chromatic warm up exercises close to what JP does. He also can play many other styles than metal like blues, classical, and a he has some prog. rock in him. Isaac ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 00:08:08 +0000 From: Walter Semerenko To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Magellan and Lemur Voice Message-ID: At 06:41 AM 3/4/97 -0800, you wrote: >Hi everyone. >critques and recommendations about the above 2 bands. From what I've >heard so far, these 2 bands are great. I just want to hear officially >from jammers (although I already heard about Lemur Voice's insights) >about how heavy these bands are, what their style is like, time changes, >vocal quality, drumming, etc. Any specific releases to be recommended? I'm sure all the jammers will give you the go-ahead on LV. I think the first two tracks really shine in the album. It has the energy of I&W. The rest of the songs have a Fates Warning slant to them. I haven't really listened to the last few songs that well, but I can safely say this is a good disc. Now, Magellan, you will get mixed comments. Lot of people hate them, some people like them, some people think they are under-rated. Personally, I think the band has flaws, but that just might be a matter of taste. I am one of the people that like them. First and formost, the vocalist Trent Garnder is hard to stomach or rather ear. His voice is just about likeable as Geddy Lee. However, I think he is a under-rated keyboardist. He uses a lot of different sounds, and is quite melodic. They use a drum machine which sounds tinny in the mix, but is some pretty decent programming for a prog band. Some of their songwriting can be a little too disjointed where they start up a good progression, but ruin it with an abrupt part. I like some of their longer songs. Magellan was one of the first prog-rock bands that I heard. I guess you can catogorize them in the "neo-prog" camp with a harder rock sound. Compared to other neo-groups (Cast, IQ, Arena) the Trent Gardner's keys are better than the ones on these bands, IMO. I lot of people hear some Yes, Kansas, Styx in their music, but I can't really make direct comparisons. I like their first album better than their latest. The latest the has a more polished produced sound. My advice: listen before you buy. BTW, the new Magellan album "Test of Wills" is coming out in May 20. I have a feeling this album is going to knock peoples sock's off, and say ,"Jeez, this stuff rocks". According to Trent, the album will be heavy and feature a live drummer. TG in an interview "brags" how great he is. Check on Ghostland's page for the interview and latest news: http://ghostland.com Walter. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 00:15:39 +0000 From: Walter Semerenko To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Symphony X Message-ID: At 08:48 AM 3/4/97 -0800, you wrote: >Hi! > >Ties, don't forget the huge Yngwie touch of Symphony X. I was just curious..does the guitarist do play just like Yngwie or do better than that. I just wondering because I usually feel that rehashed Yngwie get really tiresome fast. Not that I don't like fast guitar. When I'm in the mood, I like Joe Stump (may I say couple notches above Yngwie), Tony MacAlpine. I just hope this is not just straight ahead metal with a standard apreggio solo in between. Walter. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:30:48 -0800 From: Paul Goracke To: email_address_removed Cc: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" Subject: California Guitar Trio Message-ID: Neil- > Does anyone know anything about the California Guitar Trio? How good are > these guys? SEE THEM! Buy their music! They're not jump-around musicians, or what you might consider progressive rock, but these guys have chops (man, I feel weird using that word, since I'm not really a guitarist) that will make your jaw drop. Their playing and sound is extremely tight and precise. Many times they sound like a harpsichord. > types of music, Anything from Bach to the Ventures, w/ some Good, Bad & Ugly thrown in for good measure. All instrumental. > do they play with drummer/bass or just guitars, Just the three of them. > where to find their discs.. Like most DGM stuff, your best bet is purchasing direct, if you can't find a good music store. Possible Productions (California) c/o Mark Perry 351 Magnolia Avenue Long Beach, CA 90802 e-mail: email_address_removed order: (310) 435-5901 fax: (310) 491-1945 I'm eagerly anticipating seing them this Thursday. pg ----------------------------+---------------------------------- Paul Goracke | "To do is to be" - Aristotle email_address_removed | "To be is to do" - Plato | "Do be do be do" - Sinatra ----------------------------+---------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 00:41:28 -0500 (EST) From: Kramer To: email_address_removed Subject: WRIF, CMC, Jackson deal Message-ID: I wrote a huge long message a few minutes back, but it all got lost when my system froze and I got really mad, so I'll make this short. -Jeff E. Yes, WRIF are a bunch of hypocritical bastards. They suck. -CMC Yes, they have real distribution problems and advertising problems. I think Roadrunner would be a much better choice. I had tons of good reasons and examples, but I don't feel like writing all that shit again. -Jackson deal IMHO unless you are really hard up for recording eq, I wouldn't do it. C# (See sharp) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 01:02:25 -0500 (EST) From: Damon Fibraio To: Jonathan Case Subject: Re: Magellan and Lemur Voice Message-ID: Somebody asked about Magellan and Lemmer Voice. I have both bands CDs and can tell you a lot since I do a prog rock show on a radio station. Firstly, LV is vintage prog metal. NO bones about that. Magellan is definitely different. Not heavy like DT, definitely very electronic, although their song structure is definitely progressive. There are many time changes and complex musical passages going on. You may get a little turned off by the singer, but the music is good. The albums released now don't have a human drummer, the drums are sequenced but sound real at least in playing although I can tell that they are not acoustic drums. IMpending Ascension is probably a good place to start with Magellan. Hope this helps a little. I would recommend both bands. hands down. Damon Fibraio Reach me at email_address_removed keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality professional dumb-ass "you can feel the waves coming on Let them destroy you or carry you on. You're fighting the weight of the world and no one can save you this time Close your eyes, you'll find all you need in your mind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 01:14:25 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" Subject: Uh oh... Message-ID: > From: Jonathan Case > Subject: Sign of the times > > Just turned on the KATT here in Oklahoma City, and they just started to > play "sign of the times", by Queensryche. It's fairly ordinary and a bit > more grungy than usual QR, but it's not too bad. I could get used to it. Why do I have a feeling that this is going to get really ugly really soon? ---- > From: email_address_removed (Shane Liebling) > Subject: Re: The Metallica list > > As far as I can tell the entire idea of the Jam was to discuss prog music, > and any tangents thereof. If Metallica is one of those tangents, then we > should be allowed to discuss it. (Oh, and my $0.18 cents worth is that > Load is a great album) You must be new. ---- > From: "Richard A. Rivera" > Subject: Thoughts on CMC > > that I bought. Well, the day it came out I of course went to the local > record store (notice the singluar use- this is Vermont) to pick it up, You and I have to hit Rock Island more often. Not much in the way of new stuff, but great boot selection. Where the hell are all the rest of the Vermont jammers? There's got to be at least two or three besides us. Hello? ---- > From: email_address_removed > Subject: Re: Triggers and Maturity! Hmmmm. > > issue, I believe most of these people are jumping on the bandwagon. Well Mike P. > said it so it must be so. Hmmmmm. Maturity - I would bet I've played drums > longer than you have been on this earth. > > Don't take this as an attack because it's not - just a "mature" view from a drummer who has > explored both sides of this issue. Sure seems that way, big guy. You love to show up every now and then and cause trouble, don't you? > May God Bless and shine His light upon you, How's that old saying go? Better to light a candle than to wait for someone else to do it? ---- > From: Matt Robbins > Subject: North Dakota ROCKS > > > my life there and everything about it sucked! You know it's bad when > > a finalist for Miss Teen USA says the first thing she's going to do > > when she turns 18 is MOVE out of ND to Chicago. There's a good ad > > for ND! > > the for Miss Teen USA's comments: Oh well, I guess we should ALL > treasure the advice of some bleach-blond teenie-bopper > bimbo-beauty-queen. I'm sure her 18 years of cheerleading and and giving > the quarterback head under the bleachers have made her a fountain of > wisdom! I think you should reevaluate your choice or role models. Glad to see that everyone has decided to be open-minded, non-judgmental, non-prejudiced, and mature about this. I bet you would have loved to be the quarterback in high school. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:35:20 +0000 From: "KorgX3" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: New stuff... Message-ID: > Served Up Live," a live & b-side collection with both singers (Danny > Vahgn, who left after "Strength In Numbers" and his replacement, > former lead singer for Tall Stories. Interestingly, Danny is now > back in the band). I din't think the one I saw was a live one. May have been. I shoulda looked at it closer. It's been there for quite some time, though. As about Tall Stories, I found their album in the used bin, too, and still got it. Not as good as Tyketto, but still some real kewl stuff on it. I guess I'll have to go look at that CD again. :) > >Actually a friend of mine claims it is a song called "push it". You > >know, > >the one that goes.. "aaah... push it, push it real good", and then the > >melody that follows is similar to the main riff in UIP. I can't remember > >the band's name... but I think most of you know which song I'm talking > >about! ;) > Its true!! I was immediately reminded of that wacky 80's tune as > soon as I heard 'Until it Sleeps'! OK, are you talking about that song by (you know, that band?), who wrote the song, "Whip it?" The guys that wore the fire hydrants or whatever on their heads? Who was that... I know it. My mom's got it in her 80s collection... I dunno if that's the song I was thinking of. I'll have to dig through those tapes. Until it Sleeps reminds me of a gloomier 80s song, like something Prince wrote off of Purple Rain or Sting would've wrote with the Police. This is really buggin me. I'm gonna be going retro to figure this out. :) Not the Tubes. Brother Cane ripped off one of their songs real bad. "Just don't fall in love.... She's a Beauty... She's a one in a million girl... She's a beauty..." And then there's Eddie VH who rips off of his own songs when he runs out of ideas. :) I swear I was able sing the chorus part for Roundabout in a couple of the songs off of the last album. Ahh... well, I bought all of his albums so I shouldn't complain, it's still good. :) Where was I? Oh, yeah retro. Gotta dig out all those old Scratch n' Sniff stickers. hope they still work... Posting too much today dammit. :( Disclaimer: All entries posted in this text are copyrighted by KorgX3 and are subject to applicable laws. Unauthorized reproduction of any entry contained within without written consent of the owner is strictly forbidden. "Rokz nadz, kikz butz, and hott chikz" are trademarks owned by KorgX3. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 01:09:36 -0600 From: "Monty J. Newberry" To: email_address_removed Subject: Tyketto Message-ID: I've heard of them. I remember hearing talk about them on Headbangers Ball eons ago. Dale R. Newberry ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2317 **************************