YTSEJAM Digest 2313 Today's Topics: 1) New CDs....hee, hee by Phil Carter 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2311 by YtseJim 3) planetall.. by Carlos Alfaro 4) Dragon Attack Queen tribute by cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers) 5) Song titles by Randall Aquino 6) Re: Turning POint by Jon Byrne 7) TOOL (non DT content) by email_address_removed (Michael Washkevich) 8) Small(er) Labels by Soul Madness 9) stuff that will blow you away by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" 10) LaBrie on AOL/Stuff by Ryan Webb 11) by email_address_removed (Jeffrey Falk) 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2311 by "KorgX3" 13) FOR SALE: Mind Control by "Eugene E. Szucs" 14) 'Ryche, 'Tage, Dragon Attack, DT Boot CD... by email_address_removed 15) Re: The dreaded subject, spawn of satan by email_address_removed 16) Throughbred Guitar Show-NDTC by David Sabetai 17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2312 by email_address_removed 18) Re: Where DT Should Play while on Tour in Maryland by Rocky Dean 19) My thoughts on a few things by Jeff Forte ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 04:38:57 -0500 From: Phil Carter To: email_address_removed Subject: New CDs....hee, hee Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids... Today CDNow was kind enough to ship me several discs I'd been wanting for some time. Nevermore's _Politics of Ecstasy_, Lemur Voice's _Insights_, and Helstar's _Nosferatu_. All recommendations from jammers, so I get to inflict my brief reviews on you. :) Helstar: Good music, old sound. To be expected I suppose, since it's from '89. Guitar work is excellent and the vocalist was a genuine surprise. Many metal bands from that time period seemed to feature a vocalist who strained to hit high notes. Rivera doesn't strain, he sounds natural and is actually quite good. Not to mention the coolness of the concept album. Not bad at all! Nevermore: Not what I was expecting. Prog metal, but this is HEAVY prog metal. I'd liken them to Pantera with better vocals and time changes all over the place. :) Heavy, heavy sound, but quite good. I'll have to get used to this one, I think. Lemur Voice: Saved the best for last. This album, after just one listen, has quickly shot to the top of my favourites list. I can tell it's going to get heavy play. Seldom before has a band so captured my imagination and my interest. Excellent prog-rock compositions, superior playing from everybody, and keyboards that are not only actually audible (something many bands seem to have trouble with), but play a primary role. As they should. :) This is really an excellent album from a terrifically talented band. Marcel, you and your bandmates have a new fan(atic)! DT stuph: Am I the only one who finds it just a little bit unnerving that Derek is still in Ethyl Mertz? I know he doesn't spend a lot of time with them, but there's something that makes me nervous about a guy who divides his time between two bands. It makes me worry that he doesn't want to devote himself fully to either, though I expect I'm probably wrong about this. Also, to throw in my $.59 (inflation, ya know) about the snare in ACoS: I think it sounds fine. Generally I prefer a more powerful snare sound, but I think the sharp *crack* heard in this song fits it perfectly. Contrasts nicely with the heaviness of the bass and guitar (and the organ sounds, too, sometimes). Quick note to Rip: The local Kroger has a recording of cows mooing hooked up to the milk fridge. When you open the doors to grab a gallon or two, the cows moo at you. Kind of kewl....:) Cheers, Phil ========================================================= Phil Carter -- email_address_removed http://www.negia.net/~carter "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach "Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired, gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:38:38 +0000 From: YtseJim To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2311 Message-ID: >Nope, that song is off of the Ford Fairlane soundtrack. I've never >seen it anywhere else and I think it would be way kewl for them to >put it on their next album. The song's called "Last Time on Paris" If I'm not mistaken....I am pretty sure that the song appears on the CD single for 'Another Rainy Night'...(It may be another song) I know it IS on one of their singles! //########################################################\\ // Jim Lutz |"Let's say goodbye to Jesus, \\ // | the world he left \\ // | won't ever be the same. \\ // email_address_removed | You Took Away My hero, \\ // email_address_removed| Now Take Away My Pain"-Dream Theater \\ //####################################################################\\ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 17:44:03 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro To: El Jam Subject: planetall.. Message-ID: Hey.! .. umm..i joined planetall..but i dont really know what it is for..hehe dumb me..casn anyone please explain to me privately.. like..the use for this.. -- Increasingly the mathematics will demand the courage to face its implications-Ian Malcolm mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 97 21:39:26 GMT From: cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers) To: email_address_removed (Ytsejam Mailing List) Subject: Dragon Attack Queen tribute Message-ID: The Queen tribute is a very interesting one. Apart from JlB and JP there's also Ted Nugent and Lemmy of Motorhead doing a song, and Yngwie Malmsteen, and members of Kiss, it's pretty cool. Only two songs sound bad, and those are the ones that a bloke called Paul Shortino sings on. He sucks pre-cambrian rock. Robin McAulay sings a really good "I Want it All", Jeff Scott Soto and Mark Boals sing some stuff, JLB sings Sheer Heart Attack, and JP plays guitar on Another One Bites the Dust. Other musicians include Rudy Sarzo, Aldridge, MArty Friedman, Jake E. Lee, Carmine Appice, Bruce "Racer X" Bouillet and just about all of Anthrax do "It's Late". One of the best tribute albums I have, after "Nativity in Black" (Sabbath tribute). -- /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | Richard Karsmakers cronos@worldaccess.nl | \--------------------------------------------------------------/ C.R.I.M.E. Development; "Twilight World" Magazine; WWW-MMM "ST NEWS" ST/TT/Falcon disk magazine; "Ultimate Virus Killer" Gwar FUQ II & GEMulator FAQ maintainer P.O. Box 67, 3500 AB, Utrecht, Netherlands /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | "Who is General Failure and why is he reading my disk?" | \--------------------------------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 13:39:02 -0900 From: Randall Aquino To: email_address_removed Subject: Song titles Message-ID: To the North Dakota Jammer- I simpathize with you cause I know what it is like to have a simple little dream like seeing DT in concert shattered because we live in the boonies. I like in Alaska and concerts up here are as rare as 70 degree weather. I guess you take the good with the bad. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:39:52 -0500 (EST) From: Jon Byrne To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Turning POint Message-ID: At 06:48 AM 2/28/97 -0800, Pat Sulivan wrote: >It's good to see someone else was watching this, and drawing the same >conclusions I was. The line about "This music isn't like anything else out >there right now, so we can't play it" irritates me no end. That irritated me too, more so because to my ears, the music of that band didn't sound all that different from much of what's out there now. Certainly not as out of the mainstream as a lot of the bands talked about here, DT included. No wonder prog and related bands have no chance of getting air time in this business. :( Jam On Jonathan Byrne, 1L West Virginia University College of Law email_address_removed (WormWood or DrNick on IRC) TAPE TRADES! http://access.mountain.net/~rael/home.htm ----------------------------------------------------------- "It don't bother me none if you're depressed or depraved 'Cause I'm not the one, and you don't need to be saved." -Neal Morse, "The Doorway", Spock's Beard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:57:08 -0800 (PST) From: email_address_removed (Michael Washkevich) To: email_address_removed Subject: TOOL (non DT content) Message-ID: Anyone who is interested about details on the Tool concert in Asbury Park NJ last Thursday night, I'd be happy talk about it- through private e-mail of course. Mike Washkevich ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 97 18:13 EST From: Soul Madness To: email_address_removed Subject: Small(er) Labels Message-ID: Interesting thought (maybe)...If Dream Theater did leave Elektra and go to CMC, you really wouldn't have to hunt around for the album because so many people would buy it. And they wouldn't really need to be exposed because they already have a lot of success. Just a thought...maybe just stupidity!] Don email_address_removed Warrior Soul Homepage (now featuring a Whats New section, a review with more to come, liner notes, lyrics, and info on rare CD singles) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 17:27:38 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds Subject: stuff that will blow you away Message-ID: what is it? andrew miller's new album: subtlerage - first impressions. does it rule? hell yes.. seriously kids, this is stuff i listen to more than most of my other bands' cds... its just mindblowing, in deep with the heart and soul of the music, and it sounds really fuckin' good. you *all* better go to http://www.subtlerage.com right now :) go check it out, theres sound files to preview, info, chickens and turtles, and fun galore... plus he's got DT influences, so it rules more. :) now go treat yourself to some down home MUSIC! ~Rip ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:23:10 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Webb To: email_address_removed Subject: LaBrie on AOL/Stuff Message-ID: Yeah, I was on AOL for that chat. I joined up for one night, just because of that. :) Sad to say, but LaBrie didn't make it. I was chatting alot with the guy in charge of getting all the guys on, and he said that LaBrie had AOL on a PC disk, but was using a Mac laptop. So, needless to say, it didn't work. He had been in phone contact with LaBrie several times that night, and said that James was really sorry that he wasn't able to make it. Yes, i DO have a transcript of the entire conversation with the other folx. I remember Joey Vera, Bruce Kulick, Jeff Scott Soto being, on there. I didn't pay much attention to the channel, but it is logged. I was too busy chatting with the guy in charge...I even got him to sign the DT petition!!! :) So, I guess if anyone wants the log of that chat, e-mail me, and I'll send it to you. I just picked up the Dragon Attack CD yesterday....Whoooahhh....this cd rocks!! I havn't stopped listening to it since I bought it. LaBrie does 2 songs, Petrucci does one. I just love it. I'm not even that much of a queen fan, but this cd is definately worth the money! >Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:33:46 -0800 (PST) >From: Conrad Chi >To: email_address_removed >Subject: labrie on aol? >Message-ID: > > > were any of you there at the on-line chat about Dragon Attack > with Labrie and Kulick and stuff. > Come on, what is the scoop! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:09:32 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Jeffrey Falk) To: email_address_removed Message-ID: >Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:22:49 -0500 >From: email_address_removed (Jeffrey Falk) >To: email_address_removed >Message-ID: > ><<< No Message Collected >>> What the hell happened here? Here's what I attempted to post. >Anybody else think they're just getting out of the country at that time to >avoid taxes? :) Queen did exactly the same thing. 1978 was their "year out;" they spent most of the year outside the UK so they didn't have to pay taxes. They even moved the recording of the _Jazz_ album from Switzerland to France so they didn't have to pay taxes in Switzerland. More power to both bands; taxes are too damn high anyway. >> The reason being, I think I heard the last half of one of their new >> songs on Oklahoma City's KATT, something about "Paris" in it that I >> remember. I thought it >> was totally cool, and if indeed this was new queensryche, then I'm >> tremendously looking forward to the new release! > >Nope, that song is off of the Ford Fairlane soundtrack. I've never >seen it anywhere else and I think it would be way kewl for them to >put it on their next album. The song's called "Last Time on Paris" >and it's probably my favorite B-side of theirs. > >The only other place I've seen this is on a bootleg I saw from the >Empire tour and (still kicking myself) never bought. It's also on part two of the "Silent Lucidity" import single. Incidentally, I've heard from at least two sources that the new single "Sign of the Times" sounds a lot like "Last Time In Paris." So if you like "Last Time In Paris," check out "Sign of the Times." Jeff Falk Box 3208 700 Commonwealth Avenue Boston, Massachusetts 02215 (617) 352-8639 email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:38:31 +0000 From: "KorgX3" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2311 Message-ID: > > This is true, TBA is their highest seller. it's also the most blatantly > > commercial radio friendly album just about any metal band has ever done. > > This record was made to sell as many units as possible and has nothing > > to do with musical integrity what so ever. Hrm. Mebbe the reason that TBA sold so much was because it was a good album. I admit it was the one that started me into Metallica and I still like it alot, even thought my now favorite is, and probably always will be, Master of Puppets. Still, I really think Load is not 'tallica's style. I've listened to it a couple of times and the only song I liked was (of course) Until it Sleeps. I think mebbe it's cuz they ripped it off of an old 80s song. I'm still trying to figure out which one, but I know I've heard it before. I think it was by The Police. If anyone else has discovered which song, lemme know. i've been struggling with this sonce I first heard the song. Man, I've been real critical lately. I'll stop. Disclaimer: All entries posted in this text are copyrighted by KorgX3 and are subject to applicable laws. Unauthorized reproduction of any entry contained within without written consent of the owner is strictly forbidden. "Rokz nadz, kikz butz, and hott chikz" are trademarks owned by KorgX3. :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:11:05 +0000 From: "Eugene E. Szucs" To: email_address_removed Subject: FOR SALE: Mind Control Message-ID: Hey guys! I've got a brand new copy of this boot for sale. If interested just write. . . "We all float down here. . . And soon you'll float, too" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:13:22 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: 'Ryche, 'Tage, Dragon Attack, DT Boot CD... Message-ID: Hey gang - You can find a new Queensryche soundbite in WAV format (for "Sign Of the Times") at http://www.mcs.net/~ryche/ The sample is a little over 30 seconds. I think it's kinda cool... yet again, they're sounding totally different! You can also find a track listing of "Hear In the Now Frontier" right here. Well, I looked it up. I have a recording of Savatage live off of Z-Rock dated 8/8/93. It was recorded on the "Edge Of Thorns" tour. Is this the show people are looking for? The track listing: Lights Out, He Carves His Stone, Skraggy's Tomb, Conversation Piece, Ghost In the Ruins, She's In Love, Edge Of Thorns, Hall Of the Mountain King. About 40 minutes. Just picked up "Dragon Attack". Totally kix ass! Awesome stuff... LaBrie sounds great on his 2 tracks. JP is a little more laid back on "AOBTD", but at times his true colors show. Another really cool tribute I just picked up is the Magna Carta "Yes" tribute. Very much enjoy this one... highly recommended! Hey, stop picking on Loaf! :) I love his material... very intense stuff! Oh yeah, one other thing. Has anyone heard of a Dream Theater CD titled (something like) "Guitar Talking / Acoustic + Clinic"? I've seen it on a "have" list, but I've never personally seen it advertised nor heard anything about it. Does anyone know how it is, and more importantly, where I can get my grubby little mits on a CD copy? Any help would be greatly appreciated. You can E-Mail me privately, if you'd like, or just post to the Jam. Thanks to all! Laterz... Matt T. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:16:11 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: The dreaded subject, spawn of satan Message-ID: In a message dated 97-03-03 16:32:52 EST, you write: << > >Therefore, it would stand to reason that the band is actually enjoying=20 > >Load since it is not trying to follow-up a flop.=20 > > One of the great things about LOAD (besides that it kicks ass) is that > it was not recorded to please the band wagon jumpers that bought TBA > and wanted TBA II.=20 Load does not kick ass. It is one of Metallicas worst albums (right uo there with TBA) It is one of the biggest dissapointments I have ever heard. I was looking forward to another "real" Metallica album following in the footsteps of Master of Puppets, Ride the Lightning, and And Justice for All. Hopefully at the concert at MSG on 3/10 they will play none of their new music (which can't suck becaus eits Metallica) but will play their old music (which really kicks ass!!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 02:41:34 +0000 From: David Sabetai To: email_address_removed Subject: Throughbred Guitar Show-NDTC Message-ID: <19970304024132.AAA17023@LOCALNAME> Did any jammers go to the Throughbred Guitar Show in Clearwater, FL on Saturday? I saw someone wearing an Awake shirt. The show was unbelievable. It lasted from 10 AM to 10:30 PM. The store is 90,000 sq. ft. or 3 guitar centers put together. The building is a historical site so it looks like a the Sistine (sp) Chapel inside. It has columns, arches, wall paintings etc. IF YOU ARE IN THE AREA, CHECK OUT THE STORE YOU WILL BE IN MUSICIANS HEAVEN. They had people like John Christ (who picks as good as JP), Albert Lee and many other awesome players you have never heard of but are awesome. At the end they had an acoustic show where 5 players played songs. Then they had a good blues band called Greg Koch band play and during their set Albert Lee jammed with them. Then they had the electric jam featuring drummer Rod Morgenstein, Oteil Burbridge on bass, Alex Gregory a blazing neo-classical electric mandolin player and Yngwie Malmsteen. The duels between Malmsteen and Gregory were incredible. Following that was another band that played some long and cool Zeppelin and Hendrix covers. Guys if you get a chance check out Preston Reed an over the top acoustic player, Badi Assad a classical guitarist and rhyhtmic singer, Mindwalk a jazz band, Bass Extremes featuring Victor Wooten and Steve Bailey. All these people played and blew me away. While there I picked up a copy of the DT ppv show and I am very impressed by DS's keyboard playing. I also have a quality video copy of the first date of the Rush Test for Echo tour. If your interested in a trade, e-mail me. Isaac email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:05:36 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2312 Message-ID: to those of you who believe Metallica has sold-out, i have heard this over and over and i even believed it for a while, that is until i went into my video library and dug out "Cliff 'em All" in which Cliff Burton said "We do what we want to do, and if that's called selling out then...whatever." This opened my eyes to the fact that they have as much right as anyone else to change their music if they feel like it. Now, does this mean i like Load? No, i think it's definately their worst album, but still a HELL of alot better than some of the other shit out there, and i respect their desire to write different types of music if they please (as long as they don't start using keyboards). And to any of you that don't think they're Heavy Metal anymore, just go to one of their concerts on this tour, i just saw them on friday and it made me regain all my respect for them. Thank you and remember this "just because something looks like food, doesn't mean you should eat it" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 23:07:18 -0500 From: Rocky Dean To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Where DT Should Play while on Tour in Maryland Message-ID: Yea i hope they go to merriweater or the nissan pavillion ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 23:15:35 -0500 From: Jeff Forte To: email_address_removed Subject: My thoughts on a few things Message-ID: Hey everyone; Its Chambers; I havent posted in a while and I thought it was about time I made my presence known. So I thought that would share my views on a few things that have happened recently. > Finally, after about 10 minutes of this abuse, I'd had enough. "One more question,"> >I said. "You've got an ego that would put most guitarists to shame, yet you > >haven't recorded anything worthwhile for fifteen years, and you can't >even sell out a college gym in New York City. How do you explain this >disparity?" D....you are funny as hell. Well...I bought the new Live album the day that it came out. Needless to say, it was a letdown. It lacks energy, and the songs dont seem to have a point to them. Mental Jewelry made its points very well....so much so as you could justifiably (sp?) call it preachy. Throwing Copper had songs with messages in them such as the fan/band relationship(Selling the Drama), Bureacratic leadership(Pillar of Davidson), but lacked the preachy air that MJ had, but added aggression and anger to the music. The lyrics on Secret Samadhi sound like they were written by Bush ("everybody's here, puke stinks like beer, this could be a city, this could be a graveyard, you stole my idea") and the songs on the most part are slow and lack energy. This was a major letdown for me since I have been listening to Live since the beginning and it is a shame to see the success get in the way of their creativity. This leads me to the next item. I had the opportunity to see them live the other night at the Beacon Theater in NY. This show was equally a letdown. Since they played a lot of new stuff, the show was slow and lacked energy. They only played one song off of MJ. There are some aggressive songs on the new album (Unsheathed, Herophychodreamer, Lakini's Juice) but even those were lost in the mix of the slow stuff. I will admit that I Alone rocked hard. They didnt play Selling the Drama which was a major letdown since it was one of my favorite songs. Ultimately I left the show dissappointed. The Jam: I look at the lack of DT content this way.....if you sat all of the people who post to the jam in a room and said that they could only talk about DT and didnt supply them with any new material to discuss....I think the conversation would last about one day. So the lack of content is something that will have to be dealt with until the new material comes out. (I know Im late in dicussing this, but it is a topic that crops up every-so-often. Which leads me to: The new album: Living on Long Island has gigven me the opportunity to see DT a lot more than some on the list (Im not bragging, just pointing out fact). So I am happy that the European jammers will get the chance to see the band and hear the new material. But there is a bad side, these shows are slated for April, that means that the band wont get into the studio until early May at best. This is if all problems are worked out by the time they get back. My guess is that we wont see the new album until very late this year....or even early next year. I think we are in for a long wait on this one. The new album II: A thought occoured to me last night on IRC. DT is having so much trouble getting into the studio. Awake sold OK...not as good as I&W.....but good none-the-less. Concidering this..we all better hope that the new album does well...or these problems are going to seem like childs play. Hopefully someone can shoot me down on this one. Well....I think thats enough rambling for now....bye. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Chambers email_address_removed "Warm bodies, I sense are not machines that can only make money. Past, perfect, tense, words for a feeling and all I've discovered. I'll be along son, with medicine supposed to, designed to make you high. I'll be along son, with words for a feeling and all I've discovered." -- +Live+ ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2313 **************************