YTSEJAM Digest 2310 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Grammys [NDTC] by "Dalamar" 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2307 by "Richard A. Rivera" 3) Galactic tone. by "Vincent G. LuPone" 4) Rush-No DTC by Kiran Mooken 5) independent labels by kenneth bradley darnell 6) New FAQ update by The Digital Man 7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2309 by "Richard A. Rivera" 8) attn: completists by email_address_removed 9) DT EUROPE DATES ! by "D. Schoen" 10) Diablo on Battle.net by email_address_removed 11) Sorry about Jam 2309! by email_address_removed 12) Re: DT EUROPE DATES ! by Tymoteusz Altman 13) Connect Meatloaf to DT by Eddy M 14) Atlanta venues for DT by "Paul W. Cashman" 15) Petition result? by "Miguel Farah F." 16) Re: Connect Meatloaf to DT by NuGgeTMaN 17) meatloaf to dt by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" 18) Has the petition been sent yet? by "Jonathan Dery" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 14:24:40 -0500 From: "Dalamar" To: Subject: Re: Grammys [NDTC] Message-ID: <19970301192500937.AAA89@dalamar> One depressing thing you have to realise about the Grammy's is this: All the nominations and voting is done by other people in the music industry (namely musicians) So we can't really blame the public for the outcome. I know several of my teachers of school vote for the Grammy's (and I'd back their choices about 100% of the time....as for the rest of the voters......) Anyways, that's just my 2 cents. -MalletMan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 14:51:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2307 Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Feb 1997 email_address_removed wrote: > > The second official FIVRE concert!! My bands first show is this Saturday, > but we recently booked some gigs at a local club opening for a few major > acts, including Tony McAlpine, Sacred Reich, and Warrent. The only > confirmed date though is Sat. March 22nd opening for.. (Drum Roll) E'Nuff > Z'Nuff. Better start growing and teasing my hair... So if you live in > Phoenix come see us, March 22nd at 7:00 PM at the Mason Jar (24th St. and > Indian School). YOU LUCKY FUCKING BASTARD! I would give my left nut to open up for Warrant (not spelled Warrent). They're always really cool to opening bands. In fact, they're always really cool period. Stick around for their set. You'll be amazed what they can do to a crowd. And Enuff Z'nuff also!! My God. You are leading a truly privleged existence. Richie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 13:14:56 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" To: email_address_removed Subject: Galactic tone. Message-ID: Anyone know how to get the galactic cowboy's heavy guitar tone. Equipment? EQ settings? Thanks. Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince (http://www.u.arizona.edu/~vgl) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 97 15:54:18 EST From: Kiran Mooken To: email_address_removed Subject: Rush-No DTC Message-ID: Since no one else has posted this, I decided that I would. A few days ago Rush recieved the Order of Canada which is the highest award a civilian can recieve. They won for their fundraising efforts and having raised $1 million dollars for charity. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Mooken -Living for tomorrow by remembering the past, today- Email address: email_address_removed.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 15:14:01 -0600 (CST) From: kenneth bradley darnell To: email_address_removed Subject: independent labels Message-ID: Sometimes musicians have to make a choice between signing with a major label and taking all the good and bad "stuff" together. One of the bad things is that the record company has a lot of say about your music. You are not completely free to do whatever you want with your music. But, on the other hand, you do get more exposure than you would if you were on an independent label. One of the great things about being on an independent label is that you can do whatever you want with your music(for the most part). It might behoove DT to sign with an independent label in the future. They are not getting any exposure from the record company of which they are a part right now anyway. Many DT fans are "die-hard" fans anyway, they will but whatever the band puts out, regardless of the label or exposure by the record company. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 16:38:54 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" , Voices Cc: Progress Subject: New FAQ update Message-ID: Hiya, kidz. The Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List is now newly-updated for March 1, 1997. Web link is below, and I'll be posting it to alt.music.dream-theater shortly. Question for you: do you think I should post the FAQ to rec.music.progressive? Oh, and let me know if you find anything wrong! -Chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 17:20:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2309 Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Mar 1997 email_address_removed wrote: > I also VERY highly recommend R.A.M. Music from Milwaukee. They used to advertise in Metal Edge or Metal Maniacs (I don't remember...). Very > helpful on the phone and also very quick. I have to disagree here. I've ordered a lot of stuff from R.A.M. The last thing I ordered was "Mood Swings" by Harem Scarem. It took 4 fuckin' months. Last year I ordered a Nelson import (laugh, if you dare) and it took 3 months for that. I haven't been ripped off by them, but I don't set my watch by them either. ---------and------- When > bands like Queensryche who had moderate sales on their 1st 3 albums > comes out with a triple platinum album like Empire, the rec. co. > thinks they can do it again. When QR didn't, the record company > tells them to write something that will appeal to the new generation > of listeners, even though QR doesn't want to.. I didn't see the show, so I don't know if QR was used as an actual example or not, but this is not entirely true. Some bands are contractually required to deliver a product to the label that meets certain "artistic" requirements and the label has the right to say "cool" or "back to the drawing board." But some bands (usually the ones with more bargining power) have it in their contract that the music only has to meet certain techincal requirements, meaning that regardless of content, if the product is recorded well (ie, not in a basement with a boom-box) then it is considered satisfactory. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean that the company has to release the album, but that's a whole other can o'worms. Take a reference from > the show as to what happened to Peter Frampton. Look at Metallica. > It makes me wonder if they actually enjoy the change in their > lifestyles they had to make after making Load. They're different > now. This is not consistent with the theory you proposed above. The black album was the most successful album in Metallica's history, and all the albums leading up to it (if I'm not mistaken) show a remarkable sales increase. Therefore, it would stand to reason that the band is actually enjoying Load since it is not trying to follow-up a flop. That, plus the fact that over the summer Metallica was having HUGE problems with Elektra, according to Metal Edge, leads me to believe that their contract was renegotiated so that Elektra wouldn't loose a cash-cow like Metallica. And I'm sure one of the points in the new contract would be to knock down as many artistic restrictions as possible. Richie P.S. As far as this "Turning Point"-thing goes, what network was it on? I'm hoping to go to their web site and check out a transcription of the show, if available. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 14:47:56 -0800 From: email_address_removed Subject: attn: completists Message-ID: Hi, I just got back from the Rock & Roll Swap Meet (highlites were a guest appearance of Mr. White( Yes drummer), and free samples of B&J's newest flavor, "Phish Food" (yes, named after the band) and found some stuff that I hope some of you want/need. These are all promos in good condition Promo cd 5807-2 Lie-(5:02) Digipak, eye in clock art on cover, purple Maj logo on cd, band photo on back and inside cover Promo cd 5965-2 Caught in a Web-1. Edit (4:09) 2. Album Version (5:28) Jewel Case-Tarantula on cover and back, band photo on cd Promo cd 5966 Caught in a Web-1. Edit (4:58) (different edit than above) 2. Album Version (5:28) Jewel Case-No cover/art/band pics Promo cd 9117-2 The Silent Man (3:48)- Jewel Case-bullet hole photo on front, band in studio on back Band pic inside cover, gold maj logo on cd. offers to email_address_removed Scott Rock's actual drum set used on Empire album and tour-includes everything $5995.00 -(I didn't buy it but I can let you know where to get it) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 15:38:07 +-100 From: "D. Schoen" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: DT EUROPE DATES ! Message-ID: Hello Jammers ! Good News For The German, Italien and Dutch Dream-heads ! I 've just got an e-mail from MP, In which he annouces 3 (THREE !!) upcoming DT shows in Holland: Here's an excerpt from his mail: ***** While we're waiting to get the album started, we've decided to come over to Europe and do a few very special, one-off shows (like we did here in the U.S. in December) to thank the fans for being patient and to preview some of the new material!!!!! There will be one show in Italy and possibly a few in Germany and 3 shows in Holland!!!!! They are: Monday April 14th - Melkweg in Amsterdam Tuesday April 15th and Wednesday April 16th - NoorderLight in Tilburg ***** Is this good news, or what ?! More news later !!!!! Denis Schoen/ Theater Of Dreams -Holland ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 17:24:55 -0700 From: email_address_removed To: Subject: Diablo on Battle.net Message-ID: With the recovering state of the jam taking place, just thought I'd furthur the cause by saying that anyone who wants to play a friendly game of Diablo over battle.net can usually find me in diablo retail 1, the trading post, or one of the the lounges. just type /whois woot to find out. also, the *****************game: Ytsejam password: Majesty ***************** is where i tend to be at if you want to drop in. if i'm not in it, just create it and anyone who has read this knows where to go for a friendly game. cya and happy killing! woot ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 22:40:57 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Sorry about Jam 2309! Message-ID: Hi folks, I wanted to apologize to you all for the crappy layout of my post in YtseJam 2309. Didn't mean for it to be so difficult to read. I guess that's what I get for f*king up and using hard carriage returns in my E-Mail message!!! %-) C-Ya.... Matt T. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 20:09:58 -0800 (PST) From: Tymoteusz Altman To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT EUROPE DATES ! Message-ID: <199703020409.UAA24543@fraser> > ***** > While we're waiting to get the album started, we've decided to come over to > Europe and do a few very special, one-off shows (like we did here in the U.S. > in December) > to thank the fans for being patient and to preview some of the new > material!!!!! > > There will be one show in Italy and possibly a few in Germany > and 3 shows in Holland!!!!! > They are: > Monday April 14th - Melkweg in Amsterdam > Tuesday April 15th and Wednesday April 16th - NoorderLight in Tilburg > > ***** > Is this good news, or what ?! i think this is bad news! i'm happy for the european jammers who will get to see DT, but these dates mean DT won't be in the studio til AT LEAST second half of april! it's looking more and more like this album won't be released in '97 :( tim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 15:46:02 -0800 From: Eddy M To: email_address_removed Subject: Connect Meatloaf to DT Message-ID: Any takers ?? Eddy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 01:22:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" To: email_address_removed Subject: Atlanta venues for DT Message-ID: Atlanta is now considered a "venue-poor" city despite (and maybe because of) the Olympic Games. Anyway..... Best venue if the album does well: The Fox Theater (yes, it is spelled correctly in Real Life :)) Capacity 4,500, good acoustics, classiest venue in this burg. Alternates: Atlanta Civic Center, cap. c. 4,000, actually a nice facility but it is apparently a union hall. International Ballroom: capacity variable (the entire stage moves). 1,500, 3,500 or 5,000. Very casual venue, poor acoustics, much-improved facilities; due to a change in ownership the venue may no longer be booking mainstream rock shows. Best venue if the album does so-so or poorly: The Roxy Theater, capacity 2,000. Can be configured for seating or general-admission, fair amount of class, good acoustics. Alternates: The Variety Playhouse, cap. c. 500 I think. Fair amount of class, good acoustics. The Point: this is a small room, too small for DT unless the album completely bombs, but it's well-respected in the city. Capacity c. 200. The Cotton Club: capacity c. 500, basically a large bar, but well-regarded in town. Atlanta Symphony Hall: capacity c. 500. Not normally booked for rock shows but Dead Can Dance played there recently. whoo-hoo! The Masquerade: capacity c. 800. Rotten acoustics and poor band facilities (as DT will no doubt remember). Bad staff attitudes too. Not recommended. The Center Stage, where DT played on one visit during the I&W tour, is no longer operating as a regular venue. Larger venues (yea, suure). The Omni will be a hole in the ground during DT's likely touring period, but if the CD keeps getting delayed, maybe they can play in the new basketball venue being built there, scheduled to open c. 1999. :) Lakewood Amphitheater, capacity c. 19,000, not available in winter.:) -- +-- I never bared my emotions ---+ Dream Theater +- Paul W. Cashman ---+ | My passion always strong | "Scarred" | email_address_removed | | I never lost my devotion <-+-> CD: Awake | email_address_removed | + But somewhere fate went wrong -+----- http://www.crl.com/~vanyel ----+ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:27:04 -0300 (CDT) From: "Miguel Farah F." To: email_address_removed Subject: Petition result? Message-ID: So, how many people signed on the petition for the new DT album? -- MIGUEL FARAH \ GCS/O d-(pu) s++:+>++: a25 C++ UL+>L++++ miguel@webhost.cl / P+ L>++ E--- W++ N+++ o+ K+++ w--(+) !O mfarah@puc.cl \ M- V-- PS+(-) PE++ Y+ PGP-(+) t++@ 5++ http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel / X- R tv(+) b+ DI+ D++ G++++ e+(*) h!>++ #include \ r-- y? <*> "Trust me - I know what I'm doing." - Sledge Hammer ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:38:55 -0500 (EST) From: NuGgeTMaN To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Connect Meatloaf to DT Message-ID: Here goes! Meatloaf->Early Seventies hit->Same time as Kiss hits the scene->Took Rush on 1st tour->Eventually Influenced members of DT! _*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* ^ According to the circle of fifths, and the order of sharps and flats: ^ ^ If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sigs) ^ ^ (i.e. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major ^ ^ would have 4 sharps. ^ ^ Statistics show that if a person is born with Perfect Pitch, chances ^ ^ are they will grow up to be a famous...Baseball Player!!! :) ^ ^ ^ ^ "Just Lighten up and listen to the Music" -Kevin Moore (inside joke) ^ ^ ^ ^ Eric Moegling: email_address_removed ^ ^ email_address_removed ^ ^ ^ ^ HOMEPAGE - http://www.wezl.org/NuGgeTMaN or http://opeckie.base.org ^ ^_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_^ On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Eddy M wrote: > Any takers ?? > > Eddy > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 12:41:24 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds Subject: meatloaf to dt Message-ID: > >Here goes! Meatloaf->Early Seventies hit->Same time as Kiss hits the >scene->Took Rush on 1st tour->Eventually Influenced members of DT! nah, i believe it goes like this- meatloaf is a big ol sweaty dude, he runs around onstage in the seventies, sings some songs, one day he drops his watch in the toilet, reaches down, gets his hand stuck, sits there like a dumbass too embarassed to call for help and finds some liquid draino, frees his hand, some guy comes here the next day and gets the room and urinates there, goes out and gets drunk with his friends, acts like a dick to some girls, this guy has children who act like he does, one of his sons happens to be at a party with LaBrie, gets drunk, acts like a dick to some females, passes out, and james urinates on him. the end. ~Rip ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 14:14:35 -0500 From: "Jonathan Dery" To: email_address_removed Subject: Has the petition been sent yet? Message-ID: What's the deal with the petition? I thought it was supposed to be sent yesterday. That thing is LOADED with "signatures", and I am confident that it will have a strong impact on the label. -Jon Dery ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2310 **************************