YTSEJAM Digest 2307 Today's Topics: 1) DTC NEWS!!!! by "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" 2) playing songs ourselves/where DT should play by "Dale R. Newberry" 3) Boston Venues by Brian Jones 4) just an evil thought by Partha Mukhopadhyay 5) Wildside Imports by Soul Madness 6) new album by "Henry D." 7) Cover Art is there by Rick Audet 8) Look before you leap by Rick Audet 9) Re: Wildside Imports by "KorgX3" 10) RE: Grammys and DT venues by Mark Hatch-Miller 11) Re: Charlie by 2112 12) Eldritch is funking cool!!! by Phillip 13) Re: Magna Carter by Mike Pelarski 14) Where DT should play in OK by Jazzmin Belle Sommers 15) Re: new album by "KorgX3" 16) DT In The Studio? by "Eddie J Cooper" 17) CD availability by durnik ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 20:31:42 -0500 From: "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" To: YtseGods Subject: DTC NEWS!!!! Message-ID: For those who don't check out the web site everyday: > February 27, 1997: Complete Dream Theater Song List Here is a complete list of all the new songs being chosen for the upcoming album. Keep several things in mind: 1.It is still undetermined which will end up on the album. (We hope to eventually get everything out in some form) 2.The running times are from the demo versions which of course can change from the final album version. 3.This list is in chronological order of the completed songs. In some cases like "Lines in the Sand," the music was written very early in the writing process, but wasn't completed (lyrics and demoed) until later in the year. (Thus why Metropolis Pt. 2 isn't listed. The music is written, but the lyrics aren't and therefore hasn't been demoed and is not considered "completed") Anyway, Here's the List: 1.Raise the Knife (11:15) (lyrics by MP) 2.Where Are You Now (7:15) (lyrics by JP) 3.Take Away My Pain (6:35) (lyrics by JP) 4.Anna Lee (6:35) (lyrics by JL) 5.You or Me (5:55) (lyrics by JP) 6.Burning My Soul (9:00) (lyrics by MP) 7.Lines in the Sand (13:40) (lyrics by JP) 8.The Way it Used To Be (8:00) (lyrics by JL) 9.Just Let Me Breathe (5:25) (lyrics by MP) 10.Peruvian Skies (6:30) (lyrics by JP) 11.Trial of Tears (12:30) (lyrics by JM) 12.Cover My Eyes (3:20) (lyrics by JP) 13.Hollow Years (6:20) (lyrics by JP) 14.A New Millennium (8:15) (lyrics by MP) 15.Speak To Me (6:15) (lyrics by JL) > February 26, 1997: 2 New Songs and an Update from Mike The band has finished writing 2 more songs: A New Millenium (8:15) [Lyrics by MP] Speak to Me (6:15) [Lyrics by JL] This brings the current (and most likely the final) taley up to 16 songs and 2 1/2 hours of music. There is no further news at the moment, but Mike "has a feeling that something is around the corner." Of course, he says he thought the same thing 6 months ago as well. Later Bruce D. Duesterhoeft ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 19:44:12 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" To: email_address_removed Subject: playing songs ourselves/where DT should play Message-ID: >By the time this fookin' new DT album gets produced, we'll all be >good enough to play the songs ourselves!!! Yeah, and we could do a tribute before the album even gets released. Sorry :). In the St. Louis area, DT should play The American Theatre (which is where they've played before, I believe). Miss. Nights is too small (I think they've played there, too). I saw Megadeth at The American, and could easily see DT there. Seats in the balcony, gen. admission on the floor. Decent acoustics, from what I remember. Dale R. Newberry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 21:00:24 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Jones To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Boston Venues Message-ID: >> everyone should post suggestion as to where DT shouyld play in their >area. > >In the Boston area, off the top of my head: > >Paradise - decent club, but small. it'd be louder than a shuttle >launch >Orpheum - large, great acoustics, my second choice (see below :) >Mama Kin's - tiny, Wacky is backup band :) >Strand (RI) - decent acoustics, medium size >Ocean State - around the corner from Strand, large, great acoustics >(used to > be an opera house) >Civic Center (RI), >Fleet Center, >Centrum - all shaped like a bowls, many seats >my house - not many seats, horrible acoustics, great Hors D'Oeuvres >:) What about Avalon? It's a mid-sized club with one of the best soundsystems in Boston. One of my favorites. It has class, too, unlike pits like the Middle East or the Rat. It's also one of the louder clubs in Boston, so if you plan on standing near the front, don't forget your earplugs. I stood near the front for the Toadies and couldn't hear for 24 hours after. The Wallace Civic Center in Fitchburg is decent, too. I'm going there tomorrow night to see Tool. It's bigger than a club but not a stadium like the FleetCenter. BJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 21:24:35 -0500 (EST) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: just an evil thought Message-ID: hmmmm, i wonder how folks who are getting all hyped up about these clinic dates would feel if the petition worked and DT were rushed into the studio......would new albums make up for it????? > Yeah, no kidding about DT not being in the studio. Portnoy's got some > clinic dates in Canada and Japan all through March! partha "driven to the margin of error" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 97 21:29 EST From: Soul Madness To: email_address_removed Subject: Wildside Imports Message-ID: Yeah, I've dealt with Wildside Imports before and there pretty good about everything. I believe I ordered the Doctor Butcher CD from them and got it on time and in one piece. Has anyone ever dealt with Tunnel Records. I ordered 3 CD's from them on December 31 and so far, have only received one and I've written them numerous e-mails and there excuse is that there supplier hasn't sent the discs to them yet, I mean, is it just me or shouldn't these bootleg places already have the CDs in stock (wow, runon sentence) Also, Dream Theater should play in the Buffalo, NY area but I don't know how well that would go because us people here suck music wise although they did play here once in 1993 and its made a couple bootleg CD's and I have part of it on tape. But this was when the radio stations still played good music. Don email_address_removed Warrior Soul Homepage (now featuring a Whats New section, a review with more to come, liner notes, lyrics, and info on rare CD singles) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 22:41:09 -0500 From: "Henry D." To: email_address_removed Subject: new album Message-ID: Anyone here who is knowledgable about the hows and whys of the record industry have any thoughts as to when we might see the new release if they get into/out of the Studio by the end of the summer or so? What is the average turn around time from completion of recording to street date? just curious.. (hope Peruvian Skies makes the cut!) henry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 00:08:09 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet To: email_address_removed Subject: Cover Art is there Message-ID: Brian "DreamNDay" wrote, >>For some real kewl DT art that should be cover art, check out Chris >>Hailey's page at http://weber.u.washington.edu/~pass/dtg.html/ >>This stuff rules and by the way. You'll see the modified Ytsejam >>T-shirt design in there. Yup. Chris made that rad one that's the >>background for my DT Theme's wallpaper. :) Bzz. Try again: >File Not found > >The requested URL /~pass/dtg.html/ was not found on this server. Actually, the correct extension is /~pass/dtg2.html/ but it's fun to start from the beginning of the guy's site, since it's DT madness. That address is simply the extension /~pass/ Have fun. -Rick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 00:15:46 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet To: email_address_removed Subject: Look before you leap Message-ID: Yeah, okay, so that last post of mine was redundant.... everybody else made the correction, but I chose to address it before actually having finished reading the digest. My mistake. Anyway..... All this talk about "DT in the studio" seems to make people think "studio" is synonymous with "they're recording". Folks, please remind yourselves that a "studio" is just a room, which implies to me that DT are "busy in the studio writing tunes and rehearsing", which clearly is not the same as recording. A "recording studio" is a place to record.....and it has rooms, too :). Just a thought. Now Playing: Dao Dezi, "World Mix Album" -Rick Audet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 19:41:21 +0000 From: "KorgX3" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Wildside Imports Message-ID: > Yeah, I've dealt with Wildside Imports before and there pretty good about > everything. I believe I ordered the Doctor Butcher CD from them and got it > on time and in one piece. One of my friends orders from them all thime I guess. He gave me a catalog of theirs and said that I should try from them. Of course I tried and the CDs I wanted weren't in stock and they said they'd have no idea when they might come in. That's kinduv a turndown to me, but my friend still says their really reliable. They had nothing else I wanted at the time, so I've never ordered from them. They've got a HUGE selection though. At least the catalog I've got has one. Laterz! Disclaimer: All entries posted in this text are copyrighted by KorgX3 and are subject to applicable laws. Unauthorized reproduction of any entry contained within without written consent of the owner is strictly forbidden. "Rokz nadz, kikz butz, and hott chikz" are trademarks owned by KorgX3. :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:53:30 -0700 From: Mark Hatch-Miller To: "email_address_removed" Subject: RE: Grammys and DT venues Message-ID: THE GRAMMYS: I totally agree with whatever it was that someone said in the last jam about the grammys featuring "all types of music." There was no or very little recognition of the following styles: Heavy Metal (no, RATM is not metal) Big Band Jazz Instumental Jazz Acid Jazz Prog Jazz/Fusion Funk Progressive Rock (I though RUSH shouldve AT LEAST been nominated for best Rock album.. Sheryl Crow... UGGHHHH) Death Metal Black Metal Thrash Polka Christian Rock (well.. DC Talk.... I dont even like Chrisian Music much... maybe Believer or Galactic Cowboys shoulve been nominated...) Punk "Gangsta" Rap (not music, but..) Goth Hard Rock And many other styles.. this is NOT variety... I always thought the Grammys were at least respectable, but maybe not... DT VENUES: In Phoenix they should play the Mesa ampitheater, or Desert Sky (the album would have to really be a hit though, its a big venue). ANNOUNCEMENT: The second official FIVRE concert!! My bands first show is this Saturday, but we recently booked some gigs at a local club opening for a few major acts, including Tony McAlpine, Sacred Reich, and Warrent. The only confirmed date though is Sat. March 22nd opening for.. (Drum Roll) E'Nuff Z'Nuff. Better start growing and teasing my hair... So if you live in Phoenix come see us, March 22nd at 7:00 PM at the Mason Jar (24th St. and Indian School). Mark ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark Hatch-Miller - Drums __ __ _____ _____ \ \ / / ______ _____ | ___| |_ _| \ \ / / | __ | | ___| | |__ | | \ \ / / | |__| | | |__ | __| | | \ \ / / | _ _| | __| | | _| |_ \ \_/ / | | \ \ | |___ |_| |_____| \ / |_| \_\ |_____| \_/ March 1st Paradise Valley, AZ - Youtapalooza 97- Scottsdale Civic Center 12:45 PM March 22nd Phoenix, Az - supporting act for E'Nuff Z'Nuff, The Mason Jar, 7:00 P.M. "Hanging on by a thread, spinning the lies devised in my head"-- Dream Theater ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 01:44:37 -0500 (EST) From: 2112 To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Charlie Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Feb 1997 email_address_removed wrote: > It looks like our old friend Charlie isn't an anthropologist after all. You spelled his last name as "Dominique" rather than Dominici. > > -Dennis > I was aware of this. I just thought it was funny seeing a very similar name there. You didn't actually think I was serious did you? Brandon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 00:46:16 +0000 From: Phillip To: email_address_removed Subject: Eldritch is funking cool!!! Message-ID: Hey there gang! Got a COOL new disc in today: ELDRITCH: "Seeds of Rage" Dang, this sucker is serious! It's heavy, technical, progressive, and just plain cool. The guitarist is pretty serious and the keyboardist is excellent as well. The keys actually remind me of Superior a bit at times. The vocalist is very good as well. To me at times he sounds like a less polished version of an Andre Mateos(ANGRA) or Michael Kiske but he's still quite good in his own right. Heavy stuff but melodic at times at well. The lyrics are probably the weakest point but they aren't bad. HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!! Which brings me to a related note: does anyone know anything about Eldritch? I checked the net but couldn't find crap on them. Just about the same with CONCEPTION(another AWESOME band!!!) Anyone know where I can get info on either of these two bands? I also got to hear some Samael and it was pretty interesting for some death metal. I'll be checking into them more in the future. Later Phillip Cool CD of the day: Eldritch "Seeds of Rage" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 01:14:35 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Pelarski To: Just Words Subject: Re: Magna Carter Message-ID: World Trade? They're good, but not really progressive in any sense of the word. The closest parallel I can think of to their "Euphoria" album would be Duran Duran's self- titled one. (You know, "Come Undone", "Ordinary World", stuff like that.) You could maybe compare them to The Fixx as well. In general, they're a ressurection of good 80's pop-rock music. --Mike --NP: Djam Karet, "Suspension and Displacement" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 97 01:53:21 -0600 From: Jazzmin Belle Sommers To: email_address_removed Subject: Where DT should play in OK Message-ID: .. given that there are only about 12 people who have HEARD of the group here, I'd say that my back yard would be a nice cheap venue. Or perhaps the elementary school across the street? I hear their cafeteria has nice acoustic tiling on the walls to dampen the noise. In a pinch I'm sure my garage would suffice. Or there is the Gallagher-Iba arena at OSU in Stillwater. Whatever happens, they should NOT play the Roxy Music Hall again. Mike had to build his drum kit around a support beam thoughtfully placed in the middle of the stage. (He flipped it off as he left the stage -- good for him!) Jazzmin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 01:16:06 +0000 From: "KorgX3" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: new album Message-ID: > Anyone here who is knowledgable about the hows and whys of the record > industry have any thoughts as to when we might see the new release if they > get into/out of the Studio by the end of the summer or so? What is the > average turn around time from completion of recording to street date? Did anyone watch Turning Point tonight? The whole concept was about record companies and bands struggling to make it big. It was rather interesting and (considering the kind of music I write) disheartening to learn the politics involved in the music industry from the people who've faced it. The little people mind you, not the big bands. The strugglers. An this kinduv made me ponder Dream Theater a bit. I was thinking about how they're not getting rushed into the studio or even getting scheduled into the studio soon as far as we know. It's like the label is stalling in order to maybe ride out their contract. The music that Dream Theater writes isn't comparable to 90% of the music that's out there. I've met alot of people who downplay DT just because they're so talented, or because they use keyboards, or because their friend said they're not cool. So how do we break these trends? How do we find a way to incorporate Dream Theater into the new trendy thing to listen to? Anyone out there a sociologist? I mean, I wasn't too fond of that Love in Reverse band on the show, but they were a helluva lot better than half the shit I hear on the radio these days. It was unfortunate for these guys that radio stations refused to play their albums just because they didnt "sound" like the rest of the music out there. Sigh... I guess I should remember that the words talent and music are not synonymous anymore. :P I just think it's funny how people will torture themselves by listening to shitty music and ridicule good music just to fit in with the "cool" people. A bitter DT fan, Disclaimer: All entries posted in this text are copyrighted by KorgX3 and are subject to applicable laws. Unauthorized reproduction of any entry contained within without written consent of the owner is strictly forbidden. "Rokz nadz, kikz butz, and hott chikz" are trademarks owned by KorgX3. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 09:28:25 0 From: "Eddie J Cooper" To: email_address_removed Subject: DT In The Studio? Message-ID: <9702280927.AA27870@sphinx> OK, so some people reckon DT are in the studio & others don't... anyone care to speculate on the type of studio? Surely, if they're writing stuff, they are recording it at the same time for DEMO purposes anyway, & where are they gonna do that? In a recording studio? In a home studio? I don't know, but what I believe (from what's been said) is that they're taking a break from writing/demoing material in the studio, NOT from recording the new album... & that's quite a bit different from actually recording the new album... ..but then again, this is just speculation based on other speculators' speculations... go on DT, prove me wrong by releasing a quadruple studio package next week!!! ;) Laterz Eddie };-)~ - REALITY.SYS corrupted: Reboot universe? (Y/N/Q) - Caffeine/Marlboro: not found. Operator halted... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 21:44:57 -0700 (MST) From: durnik To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: CD availability Message-ID: Hi all! Just your weekly news on what CDs you can get. The heavily-requested When Dream And Today Unite continues to ship. I found that the pressing plant mistakenly gave me an extra rack of these, so there are actually 1100 of these in print, and the numbers reflect this. What this means is that there's still enough for some more orders to come in... I am gradually reaching the end of the original 1000. It's actually been getting alot of attention lately, must be the influx of new blood onto the Jam. Welcome, everyone!! In any case, get it while you can. Scenes From A Memory is just about sold out... I have about two dozen left. Get it now or you're outta luck. :) e-mail me or check my web page (in my sig below) to find out how. Those two Dream Theater discs are currently shipping. The two new ones are about to. Precious Things is now finished and ready to go, except for one thing: the print shop still has to finish the liners. Then shipping begins. I got George Fan's CD art in the mail, so the rest of the puzzle is now complete. The Metallica print run is done and the PT print run is in progress. Also, there are still room for about 30 or 35 orders of Precious Things before it becomes sold out. Darkest of Winters, the next DT disc to come out after that (we're talking mid-April or so) has even less openings still... around 20. Get it while you can... by the time the reviews hit the net, it will already be too late. :) The two Rush discs are another story. Critical Mass is, at long last, sold out. I've got a couple of held reservations that are still valid for now... if they're not paid in a short time, they will become available to the public. Also, the prototype test discs will be released for sale just because demand is that high. If you have even considered getting Critical Mass, I can only guess that you haven't had time to order it or didn't know about it, because it has been the single most significant Rush boot released in a good while. The sound is outstanding, and reviews have reflected that. Reviews have been positive on a ratio of around 99:1 versus negative. It's just that good, folks. Cygnus, my older and less-polished Rush effort, was a 1000-print, it sold out at $23, and now commands $50-60 in aftermarket resale. Critical Mass was a double disc that STARTED at $50, and was only a 500-print. It will hit $100 by mid-summer without a doubt, as Rush collectors are loyal and will pay any price for the gems they still need for their collection. So please, for the love of whatever deity you believe in, get yours today before they are gone for good. As for Rush: Virtual Songs, this will sell out long before shipping even if the current pace of orders slows down. I imagine it will ship in May as originally planned, as no real bad delays have come up. I will have sound bites of it on my web site soon. It IS audience, that much is true, so it's not as rich and ballsy as a soundboard tape, but it's very clear and deep and powerful, and compared to the other CD boots and tapes from the Test For Echo tour, the source for Virtual Songs literally blows them away. I'll put an A/B comparison up for you all, because hearing is believing. Please get your pre-order in for this ASAP before they're gone. Also, reservations on this DO have to be paid as soon as possible... the early orders are what finances the print run itself. Remember, after two years of doing this, I still haven't really made much off of it, to speak of. It's a hell of a hobby, though. That's it for now. Please e-mail me and/or check the URL below if you want to know more or have any questions. Take it easy all! - Mike Bahr - email_address_removed - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2307 **************************