YTSEJAM Digest 2297 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Amorphis by matt rosin 2) Re: CD Reviews by Stephen Daedalus 3) Ronnie Scott's Boot by email_address_removed 4) Oops...sent it to the wrong address. by Rick Audet 5) jam titles by email_address_removed (bruce forst) 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2295 by "Richard A. Rivera" 7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2296 by Seth Casale 8) I AM BACK! (You really couldn't give a damn) by "KorgX3" 9) last DT disc since SEASONS by "Gaddi, Ramon L." 10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2295 by "Richard A. Rivera" 11) Rainbow NDTC by email_address_removed 12) SAVATAGE Live In Japan Video by "Graham Boyle" 13) Could this work? by email_address_removed 14) Re: A musician who hasn't heard of samples is a... by Stephen Daedalus 15) Re: Stiltskin by Stephen Daedalus 16) Reachin for DTC/QR-CDROM by Cygnus 17) Members of DT online??? by Dan 18) 'tage reply repost-NDTC by Randall Braun 19) query by imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg) 20) Re: Could this work? by Eric John Marlett 21) voice track junk... by email_address_removed (Dan Abosso) 22) Greetings to fellow 'jammers... by George Kirk ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 22:35:15 -0600 (CST) From: matt rosin To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Amorphis Message-ID: > Does anyone here listen to Amorphis? absolutely! >"Elegy" a few weeks ago, and like it quite a bit. I would prefer the >guitarist play some freakin' solos once in a while (being a guitarist, this >bugs the shit out of me), because he sounds like he has potential to do >some good stuff, but he never really goes off. really? i prefer the fact that he doesn't just go off. it shows a great deal of restraint for him not to go off and screw with the atmosphere. if you want to hear him solo a little bit, check out "tales from the thousand lakes" or the "black winter day" ep. also, they will have another ep out in several months (entitled "my kantele", i believe). -matt. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ m a t t r o s i n / email_address_removed s u r r e a l i t y / http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape/ etherealambientgoth / po box 864, college station, tx 77841-0864 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:37:47 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Daedalus To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: CD Reviews Message-ID: I was recently forced out of Columbiahouse and made to buy four more CD's to fulfill my contract. Pay your debts, friends. I also spent more money I didn't have on some used CD's. I'm out $130 in all, but whose counting. VH 5150: I've already heard it and it's awsome. Sammy's best work and Some of Eddie's. Extreme's Extreme: HOLY FUCKING FLYING DONKEYS FROM SONIC HELL ICED OVER AND GALLOPPING THROUGH MY HEAD ON A SILENT NIGHT WHILE i DREAM OF CHOCOLATE-COATED WOME--never mind. Fucking amazing guitar!!! The vocals are great if you don't listen to the lyrics. An awsome albom. "Holy tapping maniacal freeks Batman!" Iron Maden Live After Death: The best I've heard Bruce sound. Awsome harmonies. Better than the other live disks and there's music from Long Beach!!! Rock on California! Awsome guitar tone and playing. GnR Apetite for Distruction: 'nough said! Skid Row: Great 80's metal. Awsome altogether. I'm poor, but happy. Satin take you all in a religious crusade filled with Nukes and immature quareling soldiers who want to control you, your family, your friends, your PC, aand the mating habbits of all the animals you associate with! ==================== "You are all weirdos. Hmph." (Sam the Eagle, The Great Muppet Movie) "Now all we need is a little enerjon, and a lot of luck." (Optimus Prime, Transformers the Movie) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:40:51 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Ronnie Scott's Boot Message-ID: Greetingz and salutationz, fellow Jammerz! A few Jams ago, I read something about somebody wanting to know the quality of a Ronnie Scott's 2 CD Boot they found. If it's the one I got (entitled "Uncovered"), the sound quality is excellent - I'm almost positive it's a soundboard recording. The CD is from Kobra records (Krcd 08//9) if that helps you identify it. I'd highly recommend the CD's. It's great to hear how the show really went down that night. It's a nice contrast to the cleaned-up versions of the tunes that appeared on ACoS and the DTIFC CD (Not that the Cleaned-Up versions aren't totally kick-ass... it's just a different point of view.). It's the full show, plus some other goodies: Space Dye Vest (KM Demo), Carry That Weight, O Holy Night, Don't Look Past Me, Mission Impossible, To Live Forever (Acoustic), Indulge In Reverie, and A Late Summer's Rain/Schizophrenia. Anywho, I'd consider it a good investment of $60, but then again, I'm completely insane and would pay a small fortune for DT Boots if I wuz desperate enough! %-) By the way, if anyone wants to trade tapes of any rare DT recordings (esp. Fix showz!!), E-Mail me privately and we can swap lists. That's all folks. Laterz.... Matt T. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:42:16 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet To: email_address_removed Subject: Oops...sent it to the wrong address. Message-ID: >Sorry about that last post. It was obviously meant to be private >e-mail. My finger hit the send button before I changed the >address. Me bad. > >..and I thought that only happened to other people. :) This happens. Funny, it seems. A solution is to set your email software so that the magic button is a "Queue" button instead of a "Send" button. This way, you get one more chance before accidentally telling your girlfriend you had a nice time with your mistress the other night. Or boyfriend....which ever. ;) Of course, some of you don't have fancy-shmancy email software like this. But it's a good thing to keep in mind. -Rick Audet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:26:58 -0600 From: email_address_removed (bruce forst) To: email_address_removed Subject: jam titles Message-ID: Maybe I'm the only one but... I sometimes wish that the digests had episode titles... sorta along the lines of... "YTSEJAM digest 2287 - everyone threatens to unsub" "YTSEJAM digest 2288 - NO!! don't!! and *special bonus* Pat vs Al" "YTSEJAM digest 2289 - the conciliatory jam 'lets just love each other!!'" "YTSEJAM digest 2290 - people get silly on airplane glue." and so on... cuz sometimes you guys are sillier than anything on primetime. Keep me entertained!!! bruce ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 01:01:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2295 Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 email_address_removed wrote: I love live stuff cause there are no second chances and you have > to > > nail your parts (unless you're Warrant and do tons of overdubs...). > > Hello. One of the surest ways to get me to post to the jam is to make a comment concerning supposed "80s" hard rock bands like Warrant. People who have been on the jam long enough know my love for bands like Warrant and from time to time I tend to come out of the woodwork and correct misconceptions about the music that I hold dear. Now, I don't mean to imply that you can't write in saying things like "Motley Crue sucks" or "Prog is better than Poison." Of course you can. It's a free country and, as the last week has so adaquetely demonstrated, a free ytsejam. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and the right to express it. But I feel the need to write in and correct a popular misconception about Warrant. Warrant does not, at the present time, use ANY overdubs live. I say "at the present time" because during the tour to support Dirty Rotten Filthy Stinkin' Rich they used sampled background vocals live, a practice that is used today by such widely respected bands as Aerosmith (and even DT: "6:00 in a Christmas morning" and the beginning and italian parts in TTT ring a bell?). But for some reason, most likely because at the time they were becoming very successful and under heavy public scrutiny, they caught a lot of shit for it. I have the live homevideo from that period and it is painfully obvious what they are doing. That fact, compounded with the guitarists' use of "coaches" to help them plan their solos on the first three albums, has lead to the popular belief that they don't play live, or at least not entirely live. Warrant stopped using sampled background vocals after that tour and has hired an on-stage keyboard player for every tour since. I have seen them live three times, have several bootlegs and the PPV special they did on the Cherry Pie tour where Jani Lane says "We do not push play, we play our instruments." Famed producer Michael Wagner, who did Warrant's Dog Eat Dog album, even says in the liner notes of the album: "No artist, except those listed, performed in any capacity whatsoever." I guarantee you that when Warrant plays live, they take as many "chances" as any other band out there. They may not be the greatest musicians out there and they fully admit it. Sorry for the length, and your statement probably didn't warrant (pun intended) the type of response I've given. But I tend to get a little bit hot-under-the-collar when people say things about my music that is incorrect. It's one thing not to like a band. It's another not to like them for incorrect reasons. That's all for now. Richie Resident Defender Of All Things 80s Metal ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 01:08:11 -0500 (EST) From: Seth Casale To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2296 Message-ID: i like amorphis, they have a good sound, tales from the thousand lakes is good. i however am always glad to see a guitarist who doesn't feel the need to splatter 25,000 notes in a 10 second solo. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ seth casale albany ny its too easy to be in with the hairstyle... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:03:51 +0000 From: "KorgX3" To: email_address_removed Subject: I AM BACK! (You really couldn't give a damn) Message-ID: > From: Christopher Scott Willenbrock > I ordered a copy of the Subconscious CD about a month ago from James Arin > and he told me he would mail it about two weeks later. I still have not > received. Well, It took him about a month to get it to me, but he eventually did and I am quite happy with it. Fear not. He gets back to you. :) Well, it appears that my problems with accessing the jam have been solved. The mail server roiled and hacked forth a ton of old ytsejam acks last night. Apparently some corrupted letters might have been to blame, I know not. Anywho, I'm back. :P Digest mode sucks. God bless you and give you lots of big hugs and kisses in a forest full of happy creatures and fragrant green foliage that does not induce hallucinations, yet leaves you naturally intoxicated in the garden of your blissful soul... Disclaimer: All entries posted in this text are copyrighted by KorgX3 and are subject to applicable laws. Unauthorized reproduction of any entry contained within without written consent of the owner is strictly forbidden. "Rokz nadz, kikz butz, and hott chikz" are trademarks owned by KorgX3. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 13:57:55 GMT+8 From: "Gaddi, Ramon L." To: email_address_removed Subject: last DT disc since SEASONS Message-ID: I'm a new subsriber in the list and I'm form the Philippines. I love DT very much and I would like to get some info on the last official album of the band since "A change of Seasons" came out. I don't have access to a lot of information. If anyone who knows has the time to tell me, please e-mail me at the following address: email_address_removed.ph ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 01:22:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2295 Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 email_address_removed wrote: > As for the TSO disc, I read in here that it sold 120,000 copies, > and I know this was the entire pressing that was done. Be warned, unless > they decide to reprint this album next year, that is the same number of > pressings that the Trilogy soundtracks were accorded (each), and they are > already being considered collector's items. Just to clear this up a bit. I work for Atlantic Records so here's the real story. The album sold 150,00 copies (impressive since it was given no push by the label) and charted at 89 on Billboard's TOp 200 ALbum Chart. Furthermore, the single "Christmas Eve/Sarajevo 12-24" is the only single in history to chart simultaneously on adult, metal, Christian, alternative, and Top 40 radio. As for it being a collector's item, there are plans to re-release it annually. Richie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 04:00:50 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Rainbow NDTC Message-ID: Hey Jammers, It's been a while since I've had time to post here, but I just got back from seeing Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow at the ytsejamilly famous Birch Hill and let me tell you....If they come to your town go see them....the show was excellent (but I must say...Deep Purple was much better when I saw them in Dec....but that may also be since this was the first night of the US tour and I think Steve Morse is a much better guitarist) but still it was a great show......and It only cost us $10.....(the bouncers were selling stolen tickets at the door...the price on the ticket was $16.....:-) ) The highlight of the show was when they announced that they were gonna do a song from the first album and about a minute into the song they all just stop and the keyboardist busts out with Perfect Strangers!!!!!!!! All in all it was a great show and I highly recomend it......also It was kind of cool when they changed the lyrics to Hey Joe to Hey OJ....you figure it out ;-) Keep on Rockin' (and sign that fucking petition....lets get this album out there) Ryan Inverso ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 19:59:42 +0000 From: "Graham Boyle" To: email_address_removed Subject: SAVATAGE Live In Japan Video Message-ID: The Savatage live in Japan 94 video is great it runs just over 90 minutes and has the following tracks: 1. Taunting Cobras 2. Edge Of Thorns 3. Chance 4. Conversation Peice 5. Nothin' Going On 6. He Carves His Stone 7. Jesus Saves 8. Watching You Fall 9. Castles Burning 10. All That I Bleed 11. Stare Into The Sun 12. Damien 13. Handful Of Rain 14. Sirens 15. Gutter Ballet 16. Hall Of The Mountain King The audio and video quality are great, Zak sings lead on every song except 'Gutter Ballet' where he duets with Jon. Alex Skolnick is the guitarist and is great too. Dunno if it's worth US$70 though, my copy was considerably cheaper. I was not a fan of the band until I saw this video, it was enough to win me over. Cheers Graham ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 03:40:02 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: Ytsejam Mailing List Subject: Could this work? Message-ID: ..I was walking down the mall today,and ran into a very unreliable source, who shall remain confident, who told me: In order to increase James' singing range even further for live performances, Petrucci and Myung will now kick him in the testicles whenever he needs to hit the higher parts. Also, a very strong thread of fishing twine will be connected to Petrucci's guitar headstock and James' testicles, so when they need the vocals to hit the same low notes as Petrucci's guitar and Myung's bass, all JP has to do is yank his plank.... Now you're playing with power! Shit, they'd blow out the amplifiers if they did that, wouldn't they? It'd definitely add more cussing to the lyrics.... ~Eckie strikes agane P.s.- I have no fucking clue how this idea popped into my head, but I thought of it while walking to my dorm and HAD to post it! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:00:49 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Daedalus To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: A musician who hasn't heard of samples is a... Message-ID: Uh... ACOS based on Dead Poet's, huh? Sounds kind of like it? How 'bout exactly like it? Jee, that must mean that Robin Williams and crew, all trying to sound a little younger after all these years, came by request of DT to the studios and re-enacted parts of the movie. Damn, those DT guys have a lot of pull. Maybe they *could* really establish world peace. Maybe happiness is complete and total within DT's work. Maybe world hunger and economic problems could be solved, too. Or maybe all they did was take segments from the move and overdub them into the songs. Hmm... I guess they just aren't as great as I thought they were. Oh well, I never thought this world could dig itself out of the shit hole it's in anyways. Back to cynicism and bitterness. Oh, and I gave jo mama piece last night. She called me god, too. "Oh god... Oh god..." Sorry, bad taste. Matt B ==================== "You are all weirdos. Hmph." (Sam the Eagle, The Great Muppet Movie) "Now all we need is a little enerjon, and a lot of luck." (Optimus Prime, Transformers the Movie) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:18:21 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Daedalus To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Stiltskin Message-ID: Has anyone here ever heard of a British band called Stiltskin? They were hard rock/heavy metal. I only heard one song about 3-4 years ago, but I still remember it and I'd like to find the albom. Any info much apreciated. Piece of meat for yummy in da tummy and god provide us with more. Be well. Matt B ==================== "You are all weirdos. Hmph." (Sam the Eagle, The Great Muppet Movie) "Now all we need is a little enerjon, and a lot of luck." (Optimus Prime, Transformers the Movie) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:32:34 -0600 (CST) From: Cygnus To: email_address_removed Subject: Reachin for DTC/QR-CDROM Message-ID: I saw this play last night, and in an ad in the program, I laid my eyes upon the same little dreamtime symbol found in the liners of LatM! It was a pleasant surprise. Regarding the QR CDROM: I also have found it difficult. I only found 2 totem pieces, but I cracked the code. So if anyone wants the password to hear "Two Miles High", e-mail me at email_address_removed ***Rob*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 11:49:48 -0500 (EST) From: Dan To: email_address_removed Subject: Members of DT online??? Message-ID: If anyone has connections to the band (which I highly doubt even though some you you say...."I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH MIKE") check and see if some members of the band have a Lintilla Talker account I chated with someone on there who stated that they were John Petrucci...thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:44:12 -0600 From: Randall Braun To: "'Ytsejam'" Subject: 'tage reply repost-NDTC Message-ID: For some reason the mail header for my post didn't show up on the JAM. I'm reposting as some may want to respond?? Also I'd like to apologize to the person whose post was immediately above mine, as the words were mine, and theirs, and they should not be phlamed on my account. REPOST: If ya woulda gone one more directory down in the 'tage tree ya was in ya woulda found the TSO webpage: http://www.winternet.com/~savaweb/tso/ As far as I can tell the version of Sarajevo on TSO is exactly the same as that on DWD. TSO is, I believe, largely 'tage producer Paul O'Neill's project with most of 'tage being major contributors musically, with numerous guest vocalists. It is one of my favorite CD's. It is also quite overtly Christian (the belief, not the religion) in its lyrical content. Which leads me to a question of 'tage's spirituality. There are also numerous hints on 'tage's earlier works as well, particularly *Streets*. But some may not want to discuss this further in the present forum. (Email privately if you have any further insight; I'm quite interested.) -Randall g GE Capital - Information Technology Solutions Randall Braun - Configuration Services Western Regional Distribution Center, Tulare, CA Phone (209) 685-4508 * FAX (209) 688-6696 email: email_address_removed *************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:01:11 -0800 (PST) From: imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg) To: email_address_removed Subject: query Message-ID: Does anybody have any info on a band called Saviour Machine? Thanks. oOo Information wants to be free... oOo Niklas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 13:41:10 -0500 (EST) From: Eric John Marlett To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Could this work? Message-ID: > > In order to increase James' singing range even further for live > performances, Petrucci and Myung will now kick him in the testicles > whenever he needs to hit the higher parts. Also, a very strong thread of > fishing twine will be connected to Petrucci's guitar headstock and James' > testicles, so when they need the vocals to hit the same low notes as > Petrucci's guitar and Myung's bass, all JP has to do is yank his plank.... Now there's a thought.... Eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:21:38 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed (Dan Abosso) To: email_address_removed Subject: voice track junk... Message-ID: Hello, I was wondering if any of you fellow Jammers know of a software program that will strip the voice track from a file? Any help would be appreciated. - Dan -- And the solid book we wrote.. Could not be found today... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 15:36:37 -0500 (EST) From: George Kirk To: email_address_removed Subject: Greetings to fellow 'jammers... Message-ID: Hi, my name is George Kirk, and I'm new here. Just want to say "hi" to everyone, and want to know the following: Where in Canada can one find Dream Theater T-shirts?? Thanks! George email_address_removed.ca ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2297 **************************