YTSEJAM Digest 2291 Today's Topics: 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2289 by "Glenn Pillsbury" 2) Michael Harris Information by "Colonel Mustard" 3) Superior Availability? Any annihilator fans? by "Robin L. Campbell" 4) Re: Savatage (NDTC); ?'s on DWD by Sava Web 5) taking sides.. by CLARK ABEL 6) Savatage by Soul Madness 7) T.T.F.N. by Heather Powers 8) Awake retro... by Steve Zebrowski 9) Jazzmin vs. Vince, Nuno by Andrew Forcier 10) "Sucked" (highly flamable) by Mark Bredius 11) Does this voice the wounds of your soul? Take a fookin' pill, then :) by Jon Parmet 12) Cleanliness is next to...? // "The Ryche" // Steve f*cking Morse! by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" 13) dt dreams by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" 14) fix for 96 shirts by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" 15) The Good, The Bad, and the people that are leaving by The Digital Man ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:19:27 PST From: "Glenn Pillsbury" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2289 Message-ID: > But I still want 'WHEEEEWW' on TTT :) > > Regards, > > Jon LOL! I call Mary Jane if y'all do 6:00! (Oh yea, and the sleigh bells on Metropolis! Jingle Bells! Jingle Bells!) Glenn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 13:20:57 -0600 From: "Colonel Mustard" To: Subject: Michael Harris Information Message-ID: Attention all Michael Harris fans - The word is out from the man himself! If you are interested in aquiring Michael Harris' intrumental works or band projects, simply drop a line to Michael at email_address_removed His newest release, Ego Decimation Profile, which you may have read about in Guitar: for the Practicing Musician, can be found at Best Buy. If they don't have it, ask about ordering it through them (purchasing Harris' CD's through a major outlet can put his name on databases of other store ordering systems, spreading the word!) If all else fails, just email Harris and ask for an ordering form. Michael says he'll be happy to send a mail order form to anyone interested. You can also contact Michael at Michael Harris P.O. Box 863 Lewisville, TX 75067 Be sure to inquire about his latest band, Surgeon! Not to be missed! Thanks to all responding persons! Michael Harris needs to be heard by more ears, and the Ytsejam has the power to do it - rock onwards! ·• Mark Lampert / Colonel Mustard •· ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 14:17:43 -0600 From: "Robin L. Campbell" To: email_address_removed Subject: Superior Availability? Any annihilator fans? Message-ID: Hiya all, I was just wondering if anyone could tell me where to go to get the Superior disc that I have been hearing so much about. I know it is available in a couple places, so suggestions of the ones to go to and the price they offer would be greatly appreciated. Also, for any Annihilator fans: has anyone heard the 'Refresh the Demon' disc? I just recently heard about it and previously did not know it was even put out. I would appreciate any comments on it if y'all have heard it. Thanks in advance! -Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 14:09:50 -0600 (CST) From: Sava Web To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Savatage (NDTC); ?'s on DWD Message-ID: > check out 'Tage (that seems to be the standard abbreviation) sites on the > Web and I found an awesome site at http://www.winternet.com/~savaweb/. > (Be sure to check it out; if the site-builder/maintainer happens to be on > this list, great fuckin' job, man!!!). Anyway, I checked out some of the Thanks much. We have put a ton of work in to it over the last few years. But it would not be possible with out fans and the band helping us out. > album reviews and I'm thinking of going to get Dead Winter Dead next good Choice. > was on and on about last Christmas: Christmas Eve/Sarajevo 12/24. > > Is this the same song as the one put out by Trans-Siberian Orchestra? If > it is, is it the same version or a different one? exactly the same. First released on DWD, it took off unexpectantly during Christmas of 95. TSO came out in 96, to cater to that market. > (Now playing: "Agony & Ecstasy," Streets; great tune!) > Younis email_address_removed nathan bradley -------------------------------------------------------------------------- email_address_removed Savatage Fan Web Pages Trans-Siberian Orchestra Web Pages www.winternet.com/~savaweb www.winternet.com/~savaweb/tso -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:22:46 -0400 (EDT) From: CLARK ABEL To: email_address_removed Subject: taking sides.. Message-ID: I just want to say that I think that Vince posts a ton of useless crap to the jam. I rarely agree with anything he says. And I find his sig file *extremely* annoying and condescending. That having been said, how anyone can criticize him for his part in the recent DT-tribute flame wars is beyond me. When did he say a single unkind thing to that giant sef-centered ego we call Jazzmin? She probably is in it for some kind of personal glory, since in at least 80% of the posts I've ever read from her she insists on reminding us about how she's a singer and how singers are musicians too and what a good singer she is and all the great DT songs that she can just nail and what a good feeling that is to be that good and how much music theory she's taken and how many instruments she plays and what a good organizer she is and all the songs she can do for the tribute and damnit, it was her idea in the first place. Well besides the fact that she's fucking WRONG, it takes alot more than saying (dorky voice mode on) "Hey, we should do a dream theater tribute" to get the thing going. As much as I find Vince annoying, I respect the fact that he took charge of this idea, which really was nothing more than an idea until he started organizing, and did something with it, not for personal glory, but because no one else was going to. Pretty easy for Jazzmin to bitch about being left out once the ball was already rolling. Do you really think she would have done anything with this if Vince hadn't "stolen" her idea and shown that there was interest? Please. Anyone can say "let's do a DT tribute". I really don't see how Vince has done anything wrong. Sure, he may be a little overzealous, but he never suggested that he didn't need help, it's just that no one offered to help until Jazzmin, but she had already shown how well she works with others by calling him a shit. So I just asking you to get off Vince's case on this one, because he doesn't deserve it. I don't like him either, but it's not the point. If anyone can tell me one thing he's done that deserves to get him lumped in with that whining bitch then please e-mail me privately. Make sure the subject says what it is since I'm sure I'll be sorting through a lot of flames. -Clark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 15:37 EST From: Soul Madness To: email_address_removed Subject: Savatage Message-ID: Christmas Eve is the same as the one on the Trans-siberian Orchestra- no edit or anything. I highly recommend buying Dead Winter Dead though...even though I'm not terribly thrilled with the new more classical direction of the band, I still love them. Don Compton email_address_removed Warrior Soul Homepage (now featuring a Whats New section, a review with more to come, liner notes, lyrics, and info on rare CD singles) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:54:13 -0500 From: Heather Powers To: email_address_removed Subject: T.T.F.N. Message-ID: Starting early tomorrow, I will be gone for a few months ( AGAIN) If you're gonna need to reach me...E Mail your phone # to me by morning :) Otherwise.....See ya in the Spring Lady Dragon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:05:05 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Zebrowski To: email_address_removed Subject: Awake retro... Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:18:39 -0500 (EST) > From: email_address_removed > To: email_address_removed > Subject: awake- a retrospective, 3 years later- part one > > images......james isn;t screaming (or not as much anyway), portnoy's just James didn't scream on I&W. He screams on Awake. Except on Innocence Faded, The Silent Man, LSoaD, and SDV. The only songs on which he screams on I&W are TTT, and LtL . > 2- caught in a web- this song makes me think about girls in short skirts, > thigh highs and boots, part one. > > some guy (or girl) PLEEEEEEEEEASE tell me they think of something remotely > similar......when i say it's a sexy intro, i don't mean o-+>...........it's > just like one of those "fucking songs".....it's weird......maybe i AM > perverted....hmm....13 years of catholic school, i guess... Yes! I thought my g/f and I were crazy, but YES! Uh...I mean...um... > my favorite moment of the song is in the last chorus, when they sing it the > second time around, and myung alters the sound of th e flat chord on "web" in > "caught in a web". the progression goes g to e flat, and myung rather slickly > stays on g throughout that line. i know, i know, there's no reason that 6/3 Very cool, indeed. A fave of mine as well. > 3- innocence faded- > > song that it seems not a lot of fans dig. note the queensrychean intro....(is > this "eyes of a stranger"?). what i love is in the beginning how it goes from Queensryche? I don't hear that at all. Sure, it's layered and has power chords and acoustic, but that's where the similarities end, IMO... > the rychean bass... Ok, I'll give you that. Eddie Jackson is the KING of displacing the beat. > ok, now that first i start not to like on the album lies in this song, the > one i like a lot, no less....they had such a great feel with the ryche > tribute, and then it gets blown away by a black sabbath meets winger end > section. WHY?!?!?!?!?! is this why some of you hate this song? i get musical > blue balls listening to this......it's like innocence faded became another > song. and then it just ends. arghhhh. No way? I thought this is what most jammers LIKED about the song. As for Black Sabbath meets Winger, I thought DT was paying homage to the Dregs on this jam. > i hate semi-through composed music. composers in the house, if you're going > to write music, either keep the repitions constant, or keep the new parts > constant. don't start out writing verse chorus verse, and then "symptoms of > the she's only 17 universe". you risk leaving your listeners with less to > hold onto, less to enjoy. just my thoughts. I agree, but I think this song is not a case of that. The tag is just a JAM. They had a great jam and a short song that happened to have a similar feel, so they put them together like chocolate and peanut butter. I think Erotomania is an example of a song without direction. It has two great motives, then goes through 2.5 minutes of NOTHING before a recapitulation of the motives. This is all just my opinion. No flamage intended. :) Steve Z ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:29:01 -0800 From: Andrew Forcier To: email_address_removed Subject: Jazzmin vs. Vince, Nuno Message-ID: Hello, I'm all for this tribute and whatever I acn give, I will. But I will not give my time to read Jazzmin's contiuously juvenile posts that appear on the jam. I'd rather have no tribute than read this crap day to day. Someone needs to grow up here: I don't know who and I really don't want to know. Saying this should be kept off the jam and then CCing the jam is ridiculous. Someone needs to take the reins here, and it shouldn't be Jazz, that's all I'm sure of. As for Nuno, are any jammers going to the show at the Birch Hill? Curious as to whether I'm the only interested party. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 20:51:56 +0100 From: Mark Bredius To: "'The YtseSpam'" Subject: "Sucked" (highly flamable) Message-ID: Greg R. Lee bitched on Jam #2261 : > Yeah, but that's because Charlie Dominici sucked... Ever stopped to think that *some* might actually like Chuckie's voice ? I've been a fan since day ONE, and frankly, I thought he was a *great* singer at the time. I can't deny LaBrie is the better singer in more ways than one, but that doesn't mean "Charlie Dominici sucked". "You are being a *prick*" ___ Dan bitched on Jam 2267 : > Subject: Marillion Does Suck > > Well I bought on of thier albums, "Afraid Of Sunlight" And it > SUCKED!!!! I threw it out my car window the other day!!! > Thanks for the great reviews! I don't wanna call you a FUCKING MORON, but I'm *thinking* it. Flame me if you must, I don't care. I'm just sick and tired of all those assholes that insist a band or album "sucks" just because *they* don't like it. Have you ever thought that maybe you don't *have* to like a band *just* because *other* Ytsejammers do ? For your information, here's part of a Marillion poll I did, last November. > Favourite Marillion albums with Steve Hogarth : > > 1. Afraid Of Sunlight (382) <--- > 1. Brave (382) > 2. Seasons End (367) > 3. Holidays In Eden (278) > 4. Made Again (270) > 5. A Singles Collection (204) Oh yeah, "Brave" is considered to be a MASTERPIECE (no, NOT just by ME). Every year, a Dutch radio station does a "Best albums of all time" poll. Here's the top 10 of last year's poll : > 1. Dire Straits - Money for nothing > 2. Marillion - Brave <--- > 3. U2 - The Joshua tree > 4. Live - Throwing copper > 5. Pearl Jam - Ten > 6. Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie & the Infinite Sadness > 7. Michael Jackson - Thriller > 8. Nirvana - Nevermind > 9. Marillion - Misplaced childhood <--- Another legendary album > 10. Cranberries - No need to argue You know, the thing I hate the most about this list is the fact that there are *so* many close-minded idiots on it. According to *them*, an album or band either "sucks" or "rulez". Grow a fucking brain ! I don't like to sound like an asshole (and I'm sure I do), but that seems to be the only way to get through to some people. ___ Sorry about all the bitching. Please don't fuck up the Jam even more by posting flames and/or death threads here. Mail them directly to me at email_address_removed (B)Itchy _________________________________Pager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/301180__ All of us get lost in the darkness _ _____ ___ _ _ _ _ Dreamers learn to steer by the stars [=][_===_]/==_][=\_/=][=]_[=] All of us do time in the gutter RUSH | | [ ] ( (_ | _ | \ / Dreamers turn to look at the cars THE PASS [_/ [_/ \___][_/ \_] [__/ email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ http://www.globalxs.nl/home/b/bredius/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 21:36:15 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: email_address_removed Subject: Does this voice the wounds of your soul? Take a fookin' pill, then :) Message-ID: > From: Andreas Schaefer > (jesus saves - so he hasn't to type all the sourcecode again...) :) and the ever faithful companion: But Lemieux picks up the rebound and SCORES!!!!! > From: "R. Kevin Preston" > Subject: Hyprocitical Crud.... > and this sort of crap happens *all* the time? Welcome to the net, Kevin. Go just about anywhere else, hang out long enough, and you'll find similar kinds (in varying degrees) of interpersonal dynamics there, too. Does it really, honestly, hurt THAT MUCH???? This isn't a personal attack on you. I just see a buttload of whining from many about the most insignificant shit! [most of the remaining crud deleted] It'd be nice if it was a perfect world, wouldn't it? Fortunately (or unfortunately, if you prefer), *everyone* has faults. It's how one deals with other's shortcomings that determines one's character. Yeah, it sucks to see the whining. Yeah, I want DT to tour my living room. Yeah, I don't like waiting for an new CD. Yeah, I want the new disc to come out on 8-track instead of a double CD. Yeah, I wanna do *WHEEEWWW* on TTT, but Wacky won't let me :)... You don't see me soiling my pants over it though (sniff, sniff) > I'm not leaving because you all suck, I'm leaving because people > like you won't admit that most of you all suck :) Stack overflow during parse...please wait.... Make a deal with ya, I'll stay if you'll admit that I suck :) Nice Dream Theater Content, by the way.... And just so *I'm* not called a hypocrite (I've been called worse by less :), here's some DTC: > From: email_address_removed Great reviews, by the way! Keep 'em/us coming :) A standing round of applause to David and the maximum DTC through all of this... > - caught in a web- > wow- james sounds pissed off here. man. i dig it...... That's just some of the meanest stuff. What always gets me off on 6:00 is how they'll be absolutely tearing it up and then "The pain inside coming outside" is just so sweet. Then back to tearing it up..... Brilliant!!!! > [my "did you know" for the day, for your drummers: did you know that steve > gadd, the drummer on "aja" (the song), did that entire piece, a 7 page drum > score, in TWO TAKES???] Woudn't surprise me. Is he still the one of the most sought after studio drummers out there? > From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) Hilarious stuff, Neil! > Worried that they [DT] might find out what some of you are really > like, I suppose. Too late for that, Neil :) > From: Cygnus > Strange dream - don't know where it came from. Holodeck 3. Sounds like the evil doings of Moriarity to me :) Have a day, Jon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Two incredibly interesting facts to get you through the week: - 111,111,111 x 111,111,111 = 12,345,678,987,654,321 - Hershey's Kisses are called that because the machine that makes them looks like it's kissing the conveyor belt. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 97 13:17:36 -0800 From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" To: email_address_removed Subject: Cleanliness is next to...? // "The Ryche" // Steve f*cking Morse! Message-ID: Paul Cashman wrote: >I have no problem with God, yours or anyone else's; it's his -fan club- I >[sometimes] can't stand. Now this is simply hilarious, and at the same time hints at a deeper meaning. Thank you, Paul. Mind if I paraphrase you in a .sig file?.. =) Concerning Queensryche: A question to jammers in general - Am I the only one who is not particularly thrilled with Queensryche's music? This is not a flame for QR fans, in any way. It's just that the excitement and thrills I feel when popping in a DT disc are simply not present when I listen to QR. I *like* the band, but to me they pale next to the almighty DT. I have not heard much of PL, but I own Empire and have heard Mindcrime many times. The musicianship is *good* (but not DT level), the songwriting is *good* (but not DT level), and the lyrics - well, they're probably good but I haven't paid much attention. These, of course, are my own not-so-humble opinions. I'd like to hear (perhaps via private email?) from jammers who agree or dissent, and can state their reasons in a calm, organized fashion... thanx. STEVE. MORSE. (sorry, the name doesn't quite have the ring that MICHAEL. ANGELO. does) is playing tomorrow, 2/20, at The Edge in Palo Alto. If you live within a 100-mile radius of Palo Alto and are not going to this show, well.... get your head examined!! =) I'll be sporting a DT Awake shirt. jam on! -Neil. (sorry, no tribute content) /===============================================================\ | Neil Evans Phone: 415.506.3503 | | Server Technologies Division Fax: 415.506.7370 | | Oracle Corporation email: email_address_removed | \===============================================================/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:37:01 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds Subject: dt dreams Message-ID: > >OK, for those of you who will take the...I mean, for those of you who >will read my post (I always feel guilty skimming posts, but time is not >always available. I like to have everyone's voice heard in my head. >Yes, I hear voices [j/k]), this is about a dream I actually had last night. woohoo, i'm not a nuts-bastid!! in this case, time to tell my fuguckered DT dream... it was one day before the album came out, dont ask me what was on the cover, it was some blue thing ok? anyways, i know what the cover looked like because i was in the store and they had a few cutout versions (like the cd cases were chopped up and stuff) and you could buy them for like half price or wait til the next day.. so i was faced with wether or not i should buy the crap one, then go back and buy a brand new copy the next day or *what* to do. tough decision right guys? well, thats about all it was.. :) quick note- please dont think i'm psycho. well, ok, you can think i'm psycho, but just not for this post. i had already gotten two dt discs the day before the dream, so they were really on my mind that time, so i have an excuse to be dreaming about this stuff. to anyone who didnt buy dt cds before they had these dreams, YOU GUYS ARE ALL PSYCHO!!!!!! ;) ~Rip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:39:12 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds Subject: fix for 96 shirts Message-ID: > >I think it was possibly Bafu that said a few months ago that we >would be able to purchase some Fix for 96 shirts through the official >web site. Last time I checked, there was nothing there. >Is this gonna happen? when was the last time you checked? they're up there now, go!! http://www.rsabbs.com/dt/merchandise/ a quick side note to the person who was nice enough to pick me one up at the actual concert- i havent forgotten about that, all i was waiting for was a little something to roll on in; and it came, so brace yourself ;) ~Rip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:47:50 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" Subject: The Good, The Bad, and the people that are leaving Message-ID: > From: "R. Kevin Preston" > Subject: Hyprocitical Crud.... > > > From: The Digital Man > > Subject: The state of affairs (This is kinda long.) > > It is advetised as a forum for DT fans, and this sort of crap happens > *all* the time? Our strength is ourselves? WHO do you think you are, some > sort of DT YtseJam Civil rights leader? Something should remain true to Kevin, please don't take this the wrong way, because I mean this from the bottom of my heart: Go fuck yourself. I am some sort of Ytsejam civil rights leader because and *only* because I am a subscriber to the list. We're all equals here, Piggy. > form if it is going to be about anything. You don't start a bakery to talk > about cars, and you shouldn't subscribe to a DT/Music mailing that > *sometimes* talks about DT. I love Dream Theater. Have every legal album There is more to life (and more to this list) than Dream Theater. > mailing..it is not a good thing right now. Yet you remain because of... ? ---- > From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) > Subject: Delay? What delay? [snip] > combatants Mr. Portnoy and Mr. LaBrie to momentarily join forces and kick seven > different colours of shit out of Mr. Myung, who wishes them peace and the > eternal smiles of Buddha... Rot flame oh, Neil. :) ---- > From: email_address_removed > Subject: No way!! DTC!?!?! > > Does anyone know if Derek has made any lyrical contributions to songs > on the upcoming release?Has he written lyrics in the past for any > group? I remember reading/hearing somewhere (it might have been at a JP clinic, I don't remember) that they're going to break Derek into the group slowly. In other words, he'll contribute music for this album, and then maybe lyrics for the next. Again, I don't know where I heard this (and now I'm trying to remember *if* I heard this). As for other bands: I know he co wrote a lot of stuff with Brad Gillis a few years back. The album title "Gilrock Ranch" comes to mind. If anyone has that, maybe you can check for us. > Also, any one seen Nuno's new group in concert, yet? Lemme kno what > it was like 'cause he's gonna be at House of Blues here in Chicago on > March 22 and I think I wanna go. Thanks! Hey, anyone know when they're hitting the East Coast? ---- > From: "L. Jason Hartman" > Subject: Fix for 96 shirts?? > > Does anyone have the John Mellencamp album "American Fool"? I need That's a John *Cougar* album! Sheesh! :) ---- > From: GlassMoon > Subject: About leaving... > > D-Man said about ppl unsubscribing: > >Oh, and if you're going to leave, just fucking leave. Enough with the > >bullshit "I'm leaving because you all suck!" posts. > > Well, I'm *staying* because you all suck, and since I probably suck as > well, then we can all be a nice group that sucks! :) As long as you're not going to wreck the curve, you can stay. :) ---- > From: email_address_removed > Subject: awake- a retrospective, 3 years later- part one > > well, in the tradition of i/w, which i neatly ripped open, i felt bad leaving > out the other albums, so i guess for the next few days, i'll entertain at the > very least myself and pose some aroused or awoken questions.............party > on, and please add to the mix as needed. You goonie crackhead. I'm thoroughly impressed if you picked all that up after *one* listen. I'm *still* discovering the subtle little nuances of that album. I gotta use my headphones more often. Oh, by the way, here's today's Public Service Announcement: "Space-Dye Vest through your headphones is as close as you can get to a religious experience without being Vince." ---- > From: Eric John Marlett > Subject: D-Man, Ytsejam Civil Rights Leader [snip - you all read this the first time] Damn, that's what I was trying to say. I gotta learn to edit myself better at 4:00 in the morning. Thanks, Eric. Peace be with you and Hey, you need a tissue?, Chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2291 **************************