YTSEJAM Digest 2287 Today's Topics: 1) Vince and Jazz by email_address_removed (Kevin J Richard) 2) Desperate Attempt by Soul Madness 3) Tribute ACK! by Heather Powers 4) DT TRIBUTE GARBAGE! by Jonathan Case 5) dt tribute by Pat Daugherty 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2286 by email_address_removed 7) ryche review by email_address_removed 8) hendrix by Pat Daugherty 9) Tribute trials by email_address_removed 10) Tonight's Main Event: Jazz vs. Vince by email_address_removed (Michael Bradley) 11) I would love to play on a tribute CD! by Cheech and Chachi 12) The Decline of the Dream Theater Tribute by Chris Ptacek 13) Singers are musicians too by Heather Powers 14) Elektra by Brian 15) Michael Harris by U-E59578-Charles Hanley 16) have a little faith by email_address_removed 17) Official DT statistics by email_address_removed 18) Jizzmin / BeBop Deluxe by "Elv" 19) Re: [Fwd: New Queesnryche Rocks!!] by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 14:53:44 EST From: email_address_removed (Kevin J Richard) To: email_address_removed Subject: Vince and Jazz Message-ID: Can't we all just get along.... Anyway, I see it (as a bystander) that they are equally guilty of this crap and I think if they would cooperate then it would really help. Stop flaming each other and just start fresh forgive each other and be friends...ok? And that .sig is getting old (nice comment Jazz) (I'm atheist not satanic so don't flame me!) and NO RELIGIOUS DEBATES PLEASE I have seen them get nasty and annoying kind of like this post. Sorry I'll quit now, ~Maynard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 15:00 EST From: Soul Madness To: email_address_removed Subject: Desperate Attempt Message-ID: Another desperate attempt to sell some used CD's..contact me for prices Bad Religion- The Grey Race Damn The Machine Fight- War Of Words Fight- A Small Deadly Space Garbage- Stupid Girl Monster Magnet- Face Down George Lynch- Sacred Groove V/A- Working Man: A Tribute To Rush (w/ members of Dream Theater) Death- Leprosy Cinderella- Live Train CIV- Set Your Goals Every 13 Days- E'tant Donnes Offspring- Smash Morbid Angel- Altars Of Madness Overkill- Horrorscope Kingofthehill- I Do U Sacred Reich- Independant (tape) Whitesnake- Here I Go Again (tape) Rock Video Monthly (video) with Duff, Fight, Green Apple Quick Step, Barkmarket, Life Of Agony, Biohazard and Onyx, Rage Against..., Souls At Zero, STP, Quicksand) Yours, Don COmpton E-mail me privately if interested at email_address_removed email_address_removed Warrior Soul Homepage (now featuring a Whats New section, a review with more to come, liner notes, lyrics, and info on rare CD singles) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 15:37:24 -0500 From: Heather Powers To: email_address_removed Subject: Tribute ACK! Message-ID: I'm getting extremely sick of this whole thing. I honestly do not think that either Vince or Jazz should be handling the idea. It all looks like a high school talent show to me right now. I, as one of the few female musicians that regularly takes part in the ytsejam, would LOVE the opporitunity to show off my capabilities. But, not with a bunch of rambling idiots who can't get along long enough to decide a possible list of songs! I ponder the idea of working on a song with a few of you (Saveur and Ibanez crossed my mind ;) ) But not under these hostile conditions. ** HOW I WOULD HANDLE THIS WHOLE THING IF I HAD THE FREE TIME** I would ask all jammers interested to E Mail their information to me ( ie instrument, songs interested in, areas available to record in and time period available, and what recording equiptment they have access to) Then I would figure out who is close to who, where the alternate sights to meet were and coorinate getting people in thier own areas together. I can't think of any other way it could honestly work and be a cross section of players. Either that or a con/ ytsejam jam ;) If you guys every figure things out...let me know Lady Dragon - Heather NEW URL http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/1695/ New E Mail starting next month or so email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 15:00:39 -0600 (CST) From: Jonathan Case To: email_address_removed Subject: DT TRIBUTE GARBAGE! Message-ID: Hi everyone, I have problems with all this recent talk of DT tribute. Personally, I think it's a crock! Do you think that a bunch of people living all across the country are going to be able to do "demo" tapes of their part, and coordinate that way?? It just can't happen, cause you need to get together, have visual contact, etc. when playing in a band. On top of that, this quibbering over who's coordinating what is totally childish! This thing between Vince and Jazzmin has got to stop. The two of you are BOTH immature (for your ages I bet!). And Jazz, you'd better watch out when you wish satan on someone..... All this recent talk has made me want to heave into my terminal, and I'm sick of it. Let's talk music again, and not waste our time and fill up valuable space in the jam with this mindless bull-fucking-shit! OK - now, anyone want to talk Shadow Gallery some more?! Jon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:23:22 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: dt tribute Message-ID: al balkewiez speeled: > Unfortunately, my opinion, which really means no more > than anyone else's, is that neither one of you should do > this thing unless there's some kind of resolution. I'm > not one to butt in anyone else's business, but as a > 'Jammer, the fact that thing has gone so wrong before > a song list was hardly even STARTED is not a good sign at > all...... Wow, al considers himself a Jammer... Would a real jammer screw another jammer over and just stick around like absolutely nothing in wrong? Al has got a lot of nerve... > You guys should really re-think your positions (which were > pretty much self-elected) and find a way to humanely set > this up......good luck - I want to see this happen as much > as anyone else..... Great advice coming from someone who rips people off in a trade. Why dont you follow it and pay up. James Bako is another jammer who had the misfortune to set up a trade with Al. Of course James Bako isn't as vocal on the jam as I am. And believe it or not, Al's story differs completely from James Bako's version on the trade. End this bickering on the jam, Al and just pay up. |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:20:21 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2286 Message-ID: so..........................did anyone else here think that this tribute idea was going to fall apart sooner or later? did anyone else count the days to getting posts like the ones from the 2 of them? as i said, oh brother......... madi, or mari (not sure).....umm........i wasn't being a pessimist, dear...........i was being dead realistic.......as i have been proven yet again...............sometimes, people just don't know how to deal with each other.... as my friend's rush t-shirt reads" if you want something right, forget it." ytsegoon ********************************************************************** david yoichi kobayashi binghamton university email_address_removed "now that you're gone i'm trying to take it; learning to swallow the rage." -kevin moore "and i'll smile and learn to pretend; and i'll have no more dreams to defend...." kevin moore ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:20:29 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: ryche review Message-ID: wow.........................that review sounds really good...........i can't wait to hear the new ryche album............wow..............i'm like WET here........march 25......yummy. ytsegoon ps- jazzmin- in reference to your apology and about not being nice and not hitting the other kids again, as you put it, you know- hitting the others ain't THAT bad. look what it did to jenny mccarthy............. ********************************************************************** david yoichi kobayashi binghamton university email_address_removed "now that you're gone i'm trying to take it; learning to swallow the rage." -kevin moore "and i'll smile and learn to pretend; and i'll have no more dreams to defend...." kevin moore ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:39:18 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: hendrix Message-ID: For all Hendrix fans, VH1 is airing some Jimi Hendrix concert movie, whatever on Friday Feb 21 from 9-11:30 pm EST and Saturday the 22nd from 7-9:30 pm. |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 15:43:54 -0600 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Tribute trials Message-ID: I think the strain between Jazz and Vince is pretty humorous. Only seeing what's been on the Jam, I'm siding with Jazz. Vince seems a little over strung and I'm getting that impression from HIS side of the story! (YIKES!) Anyway, now that I've picked a playground favorite, I'm keyed to see so many people wanting to get involved in the tribute. I'm tired of the posts, I don't care whether it gets completed, etc., but it is cool to see the powerful support on the Jam (in spite of all the list's soap operas). Finally, I'm getting different signals as to the heaviness of the new Ryche release. Earlier, someone said it was light, not I'm seeing heavy. I sure hope it's the latter. PL was good, but O:M was the best. I like the band best that way. Cheers, compai, salut, shalom, Steve "Like I said to Delores Montenegro in 'Calling All Quakers,' 'Have it your way, baby!'" -- Washed-up actor Troy McClure ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:55:28 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Michael Bradley) To: email_address_removed Subject: Tonight's Main Event: Jazz vs. Vince Message-ID: Hey everyone, I've been lurking for a while. It's sad that it took this load of bullshit to get me to write in. To the both of you: KEEP THIS OFF THE JAM!! As far as I'm concerned, you should both be taken off the Tribute project so it can be handled by the professionals on the Jam. ie, Mike Bahr. Nothing personal against either of you, I just think your behavior is embarrassing. -Mike Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 15:59:55 -0600 From: Cheech and Chachi To: email_address_removed Subject: I would love to play on a tribute CD! Message-ID: I would love to play on this tribute CD...who and where do I ask? I'm a drummer...there's only a couple licks that I haven't figured out yet, but they'll come...if anybody can help me, I would really appreciate it. Thanks. Kilgore ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:40:27 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Ptacek To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: The Decline of the Dream Theater Tribute Message-ID: Vince, Jazz, and Jammers, This tribute has gotten so ridiculously out of control, I am ashamed to have wanted to take part in it. I have made a great effort not to get involved in other peoples' problems on the jam, because I get so many frequent flames for it, but damn it, I'm not sitting on my thumb anymore on this one. Jazzmin and Vince, we've all asked you to work things out in private e-mail. The fact that you couldn't do that tells me you both have problems. Jazzmin, you have a major temper problem. Vince, you took too much authority upon yourself, and away from Jazz. Neither of you have shown anything that would make me believe that you could lead or organize this tribute. Any ideas brought up that conflicted with your own, were shot down... not politely, I might add. You both have initiative. But it takes a hell of a lot more than that. Listen up, and listen well: People from all around the USA and possibly from around the WORLD are considering driving/flying/hot-air-ballooning in to Arizona to record on a tribute that they WILL NOT MAKE MONEY ON. When you are this childish and sloppy, you're asking people to spend hundreds of dollars in travel expenses on something organized by people who can't even see past their own egos. You guys have said it all... you've done battle on the Ytsejam over which one of you will do each song, and whose idea was whose... THIS IDEA WAS BROUGHT UP YEARS AGO. TWICE. And why are you arguing about who plays on what song, when you've made the provision for tapes to be auditioned? Are you exempting yourselves? I've offered you a forum to discuss this on. I've offered you your own free mailing list to iron the kinks in this thing out on. People are sick of you two bashing it out. This is not the Jazzmin or Vince Mailinglist... post as much as you like, but think first. Are you too important to see that we're serious when we say take it to e mail? Vince, if you're dropping out, don't feel too bad. While you're not innocent in this matter, you can bet that we're not going to let Jazz run this thing either. This as close as this thing ever comes to completion. We've gotten this far before. But there's always an ego in the way. If this thing is going to be run, it's going to have to be by a committee, just like with the Petition. The Petition has been a success, because the committee running it has been cool enough to discuss it calmly and in private, so as to not piss everyone else off, and so that each person is heard. Jazzmin, you've made some comments that are just dumbfoundingly rude and ignorant. No apology for those comments can make me personally think you're capable of running this thing. Vince, you jumped for the bait. The question remains: What do we do with the Tribute now? I have no interest in trying to run it, but in order to get it organized, I will be happy to offer the mailinglist, as I have before, and I'd be happy to just maintain a web site with all of the info on it. If you have tribute ideas, send them to ME, not the jam. I'll make them available in every possible format for everyone interested, without the waste of jam bandwidth. If I get any feedback, I'll post list subscription info and/or a URL where you can view the status and info on the tribute. Thank you. Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511 http://www.enteract.com (business) http://www.prognosis.com (personal site under construction) "If faith is the answer, we've already reached it, and if spirit's a sign, then it's only a matter of time." - Dream Theater ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:39:45 -0500 From: Heather Powers To: email_address_removed Subject: Singers are musicians too Message-ID: heath: you a musician? me? ya WHAT ROCK HAVE YOU BEEN UNDER is that a yes? yeah * LdyDragon wonders how he didnt know that sniff sniff heather, i thought you were justa a singer OK...Im gonna say this once...and only once...Singers are musicians too. Im not even talking about the fact that I play several instruments and have several years of theory. Im talking soley about being a vocalist. The voice is as much an instrument and a guitar or piano. With one major exception. If you break your voice ( ie get sick, nodules, ect) you can not go out and buy a new one. Which means that a singer needs to be extremely disciplined in order to keep up with touring scheduales and even rehersals. So...next time you use the phrase "just a singer" think about whether you have the strength to be one. LadyDragon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:50:05 -0800 From: Brian To: email_address_removed Subject: Elektra Message-ID: OK, first, I went to elektra.com to check out Anthrax' page since there doesn't seem to be any good pages that I could find with a search engine, and when I went to the metal section I didn't see Anthrax. Were they dropped from Elektra? I didn't hear anything about this. Also, I clicked on DT and came up with http://www.elektra.com/metal_club/dream/dream.html. Was Lifting Shadows canned? I thought Elektra was the link to the official page for all of their bands. ======================================================================== "Are you gonna bark all day, little ----- doggie, or are you gonna ---- ------------- ---- bite?"-Micheal Madsen, ---- - ---- Reservoir Dogs -- - - - - - - - -- "Just victims of the in-house - - - - - - - drive-by. They say jump, - - -- - -- - - you say 'How high?"-Rage -- - - - - - - - -- Against The Machine ---- - - - ---- later--------------Brian ---- ------------- ---- ----- ======================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:56:52 EST From: U-E59578-Charles Hanley To: email_address_removed Subject: Michael Harris Message-ID: In YTSEJAM #2285, Chung Ho replied: > > If any of you are looking for some excellent prog > > instrumental guitar CD's, you need to hear > > Michael Harris. > > I think Michael Harris is an awesome guitar player. I always thought of him > as a shredder, not necessarily progressive... Check out his collaboration > with David "hardest working man in shred-ville" Chastain, "Live, Wild and > Totally Diminished". It's a wild concert filled with some frightening > guitarwork. I have to concur, especially since I was standing directly in front of Michael Harris during that show!! _Live, Wild and Totally Diminished_ was recorded at Bogart's in Cincinnati when David Chastain was based in Cincy and Michael Harris lived in Dayton. Chastain is definitely more of a finesse player; his 12th-to-22th fret one-hand reach is truly awesome! Harris is more "mainstream" in style; no technique is too fancy, but a very tasteful soloist. Harris lead a Dayton-based hard rock/metal vocal-band called Archrival. They released a CD and (I'm dating myself) a 7-inch VINYL 45! I think that his _Defense Mechanisms_ instrumental CD is some of his best work, although I haven't picked up his latest yet. Chuxter email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:02:49 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: have a little faith Message-ID: For those that have wondered about my integrity, I just wanted to let you know I have the Fix for 96 tapes, send if there is anyone that missed out (and didn't say I was full of shit) please e-mail your list of stuff to trade. Also, to Mike Burstin, e-mail me because I lost your e-mail address, sorry. Thanks for the patience, take the time. -Eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:06:48 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Official DT statistics Message-ID: Cliff Totten 02/18/97 06:06 PM Does anyone have the official sales numbers for: 1. WDADU ? 2. I&W ? 3. Awake ? 4. ACOS ? I know that I&W went GOLD in the USA. That is pretty damn good! I can't imagine that the following albums were much less ? How many YTSEJAM subscribers are there anyway? Later CT ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 19:53:40 -0500 From: "Elv" To: Subject: Jizzmin / BeBop Deluxe Message-ID: > Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince >May Satan eat your children if you ever send me this .sig again. >Jizz, >Chill out for a sec. I don't understand what the problem with his sig is. >Unless of course you find people saying nice things offensive. If Satan eats >his children I hope yours get Cancer. The problem with his sig is "God bless". To many of you it sounds very nice. But to some of us who don't believe in his god, it gets very very annoying and it IS offensive. I'm sure Jazz doesn't have a problem with the "Peace be with you" part. Elvis Batur email_address_removed email_address_removed Music In Progress http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4257 "In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual". -Galileo ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:14:55 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: [Fwd: New Queesnryche Rocks!!] Message-ID: ... FUCK YEAH!!!! Heavy QR! Holy fookin' sheet! That one's goin' in my collection. Oh yeah, Now what the hell is the deal with EastWest? Just because it isn't fashionable to have mountain-sized talent and fantastic musicianship doesn't mean it won't sell like mad! Real music lasts forever...it's timeless! Flame away at that last comment. I just pulled it outta my ass. :P ~Eckie ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2287 **************************