YTSEJAM Digest 2279 Today's Topics: 1) Another DT convert by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" 2) Tribute by Pat Daugherty 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2274 by email_address_removed 4) Impelliteri by The Digital Man 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2276 by email_address_removed 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2272 by Carlos Alfaro 7) Re: Awake live by Carlos Alfaro 8) Trib Keys by Chris Oates 9) Give me a fucking break already by "Kevin W. Madden" 10) just wondering..producers by Carlos Alfaro 11) Slackers, non-hackers by Timothy Templeton 12) by "LRW" 13) Dream Theater tribute by Glover 14) Unsubscribing! by "T. Cudney" 15) Re: dt tribute by "KorgX3" 16) Re: running the tribute by "Vincent G. LuPone" 17) Tribute ideas. by "Vincent G. LuPone" 18) Shouts out to Ytesjam Tribute Album #1, Petition, East/West by Jeremy Kube 19) Re: Tribute ideas by the dozen by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 14 Feb 97 14:12:42 -0800 From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" To: email_address_removed Subject: Another DT convert Message-ID: Hey folks, looks like I've recruited another to our unholy ranks... >Hi Neil, > >I took your advice on Dream Theater, picked up Images and Words, and am I >glad I did! This is a great album. I've listened to it twice since I bought >it yesterday. Fantastic technical skills all around. Right now I'm hearing >a melange of Queensryche, Yngwie, Yes, Journey, and a few others. The band >really incorporates changes in time signature into their work tastefully. > >Gotta run, but thanks for the tip. I'll probably be getting their other >records as well. and the mass of DT fans begins to swell exponentially (well, not quite, but almost).. -Neil. /===============================================================\ | Neil Evans Phone: 415.506.3503 | | Server Technologies Division Fax: 415.506.7370 | | Oracle Corporation email: email_address_removed | \===============================================================/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 17:58:18 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: Tribute Message-ID: Al B wrote: > This may be a pain in the ass, but how about letting > *everyone* who wants to participate in the tribute > musically do it...... > > Whoever wants to be a part of it could send an ADAT of > whatever they think they can do really well according > to the specifications, etc.... > > etc... Warning. Dont rely on Al to do anything with regard to this tribute. If you do, you may end up waiting years and years and years... especially if it involves making a tape... |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 18:08:50 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2274 Message-ID: Please take me off your e-mail list. Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 18:22:50 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" Subject: Impelliteri Message-ID: > From: (Chung Ng) > Subject: Chris Impellitteri > > Does anyone remember a guy named Chris Impelliterri? I was digging through my > box of old tapes and found "Stand In Line" with Graham Bonnet on vocals > (arghh...). Anyway, the guitars were pretty cool (if you like 64th note runs > coming at you for about 40 minutes). If anyone has any info on him, I'd > appreciate it. I'd like to get some of his newer stuff if he has any. He appears on the Queen tribute "Dragon Attack" (which, btw, rox nadz. James and JP are on it, and they rule.). CI is on the song "I Want It All": Vocal: Robin McAuley Lead Guitar: CI Rhythm Guitar: Bob Kulick Keys: Edward Harris Roth Bass: Ricky Phillips Drums: Jay Schellen and the lineup on the other songs is equally impressive, if not more so. Get this disc! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 18:36:45 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2276 Message-ID: Please take me off your e-mail list. Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 19:56:59 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2272 Message-ID: Taco Belhai wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Andrew Dietr Miller wrote: > > > It's funny everyone is talking about this tribute, they talked about doing > > it last year too. It's never getting done, your fooling yourselves, but > > go ahead I could use the laugh. > > Yes, I agree with Andrew. If it does get done, I will be surprised. > > But keep thinking that you guys will do a tribute. It just makes me delete > all those messages so much faster. I now have less ytsejam reading to do. > > Brandon i remember last year..but this year they have a better chance..with the studio thing and all..i think that was the main reason it did not get done last year..my take on everything is ..go get em guys! ..and well like..like other people said you know..even if it takes 10 people do do metropolis (diff ones for diff parts) do it! just do it that it sounds good and everyone is happy i mean id love to go down there and participate even if I only added the opening part of PMU :) but still for the fun of it and for participating in such a great thing.. -- Increasingly the mathematics will demand the courage to face its implications-Ian Malcolm mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 20:00:52 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Awake live Message-ID: Mathieu Ferland wrote: > > > difficulties with the bass. Sometimes, it's too rough, you can hear the > strings like if he uses a hammer instead of his fingers. > Like in Lie or Mirror, the bass is over all the others instruments. > My question is: Can you find this sound on several others bootleg? (cuz > Ferl damn! i thought i was the only one (and kain and stryker) who noticed this on the ppv... the slaping farting bass sound ,and i first thought it was my crappy copy..then i got a hi fi stereo one (wink wink omar i need it back) and still there.. but i have several other awake boots from other dates ..and the bass sounds fine.. in one of them it doesnt sound fat enough (like it had no low ) but thats better than that farting sound -- Increasingly the mathematics will demand the courage to face its implications-Ian Malcolm mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 16:05:43 -0800 From: Chris Oates To: email_address_removed Subject: Trib Keys Message-ID: As a keyboard player and MIDI freak, I must say the DO NOT, under any circumstances, record keyboard parts via MIDI at the musician's home and then play them back on a different keyboard for the final, unless you have exactly the same rig at the receiving and exactly the same sound. It just doesn't sound right, and no one will be satisfied. Synth sounds have nuances in their attacks, decays and velocity curves between synths and sounds that influence how a part is played. I know that whenever I decide to change a part in something I'm recording, I almost always need to re-record the part in order to make it sound natural. The best solution would be to get a player in the studio (obviously) or go with whatever method you have for audio exchange among other players. If you do decide to go the MIDI route for exchange, the studio people better have soneone to tweak the notes so that they sound right for the patch they use in the studio (i.e. a slower attack will make all the notes sound late so you'll have to move them earlier and vice-versa) and the musicians better be prepared for the disappointment of hearing a jeyboard part attributed to them that sounds nothing like what they played. Anyone remember Union by Yes? They MIDIed Wakeman's parts and fiddled with the sounds, which is why Wakeman hates the album. Having said that, I wish I could participate. I've got the hardware and can drive to Arizona, but I don't think I have either the time or the talent to do so. :( __ /\ __ +-------------------------------------+ __\/__\/__ | ~Chris |-+ \_||_/ | For a boring homepage, web to: | | /__||__\ | http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ | | // \ | \\ +-------------------------------------+ | \| +-------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 19:07:20 -0500 From: "Kevin W. Madden" To: ytsejaM Tribute List Subject: Give me a fucking break already Message-ID: Chris P - Thanks for offering to start a tribute mailing list. Everyone involved in the tribute - take Chris up on his offer. Sorry for the rant, but this has been ridiculous. Overkill is tomorrow night. The band, not the song. Kevin GO WINGS!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 20:42:42 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: just wondering..producers Message-ID: I have a question ..how much say does the producer actually has on what the song structures will be? .. my though always has been that they only do the sound...not the songs itself..and thats why i wonder why doesnt dt try bob rock..granted hes been said to riun metallica..but the sound itself on their last 2 cds is very good.. -- Increasingly the mathematics will demand the courage to face its implications-Ian Malcolm mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 17:03:17 -0800 From: Timothy Templeton To: email_address_removed Subject: Slackers, non-hackers Message-ID: Whoa, get this! ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 16:05:17 -0300 > From: Pedro Miguel Jr > To: email_address_removed > Subject: Cancel subscription > Message-ID: > > ------------6BFC13DE4ED41 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > cancel subscription email_address_removed.br > > ------------6BFC13DE4ED41 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii > > > >
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> > > --- And THIS! > > Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 16:36:40 -0500 (EST) > From: email_address_removed > To: email_address_removed > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2275 > Message-ID: > > Please take me off your e-mail list. > > Thanks!Can't handle it, eh? SLACKERS! :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 18:24:20 -0700 From: "LRW" To: Message-ID: Whoever it was that said a while back that "heavy" doesn't necessarily involve loud guitars and stuff was absolutely right. I just listened to Someone Else? on PL (my fave QR album) and it is very heavy. Especially if you've had a bad day. quick question: In Sava: Streets, when Jon sings "Spock and Kirk have had enough and no one's left to beam me up," while being very effective in the song, has a minor problem. Scotty's the one that did all the beaming! Just wondering if anyone else noticed this. woot ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 20:48:19 -0500 From: Glover To: email_address_removed Subject: Dream Theater tribute Message-ID: I just recently read about this Dream Theater tribute idea and am insterested in it. I would be interested in doing any of Dream Theater's instrumental songs with some other guys. I have the access to the equipment here in my hometown Johnson City, TN and a good place to use. None of us can really sing, but if push comes to shove, I could call somebody in to do the vocals for us. That is if all the instrumentals are taken. If anybody that is serious about this would get back to me, that would be nice. If all instrumentals are taken, let me know of a song we could do. We might be able to do a version of the Killing Hand and send it in. If the person who is the head of this idea sees this, please reply. Thank you. Also, if this is a really serious project, I can do the cover art for the finished product. Get back to me on this, as well. -C. Glover ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 20:55:18 -0600 (CST) From: "T. Cudney" To: email_address_removed Subject: Unsubscribing! Message-ID: Could someone please send me private e-mail with instructions for unsubscribing from this behemoth? This list is just too high-volume for me, so I want to get off. The last time I posted this request I got no responses! Could someone please help me! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 19:58:40 +0000 From: "KorgX3" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: dt tribute Message-ID: > Keys: KorgX3 -- LTL, Metropolis, Scarred C'mon! I'm not theonly keyboard player here! I don't think I've got time to learn em all well. That could take years. I'm no Derek. :) > We still need keys on a lot of songs (KorgX3, you got the > songbooks?) and drums. A fellow jammer has expressed interest but > is remaining noncommittal due to the complexity of the Awake drum > lines. I wish I had the songbooks. . I CAN however dump the existing midis into my sheet music program and print it out. It won't be perfect, but what the hey? It's better than nothing at all, I guess. I've got all the key solos for TTT in the Guitar mag that had them included with the tabs. So, I'm in line now for the keyboard parts of... Metropolis, Scarred, Learning to Live, and Take the Time. If any other keyboard players wanna take part in any, I call dibs on LtL and Metropolis. You can take the others if ya really want. :) > Vocals: Jazzmin -- UAGM, Killing Hand, anything unclaimed > Chris Ptacek > Steve Z > John Parmet -- "Whewww" (TTT); "Please Don't Go" (ACOS) > Syrinx -- Mirror/Lie Hrm. Not many songs I could sing. I can hold up to To Live Forever, Lifting Shadows, and The Silent Man OK. Most of the other songs Ican just about get, but then pooter out right at the last high note. I almost got Surrounded tagged, and UAGM and Mirror/Lie are taken. :( Anyway, I think my server screwed up, or else everyone posted. Got 91 acks today. Damn, I'll be stuck here all nite. :) Dammit! I just noticed that I got all of yesterday's mail and none of todays! Damn, damn, damn... So will this leeter get to you all yesterday? This sucks. Hrm... Nuff said. It's my damn ISP. Time to KILL!!! Laterz! . Disclaimer: All entries posted in this text are copyrighted by KorgX3 and are subject to applicable laws. Unauthorized reproduction of any entry contained within without written consent of the owner is strictly forbidden. "Rokz nadz, kikz butz, and hott chikz" are trademarks owned by KorgX3. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 21:25:34 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: running the tribute Message-ID: Rip, You and I think alike! :) At 05:17 AM 2/14/97 -0800, you wrote: >> >>With all due respect, Vince, I came up with this idea. I'm organizing it. >>I have had lots of experience coordinating (and promoting) major media >>events -- I'm not just some bitch who wants to control everything. > >slow the roll a second.. sure, you came up with the idea... and vinnie got >off his ass and put it into action. whats more is i'm sure he'd be more >than happy to collaberate with you on it, no use drawing some venom in the >recording of this.. i dunno about everyone else, but i'm still planning on >hector's studio being the main bash for this thing and possibly throwing a >ytsecon IV there.. i dont think any ONE person should organize this, and i >dont think that the tracklist was pre-picked, if you havent noticed there >were no songs with completely blank jammer signups, all the songs picked >were picked because people wrote in saying they wanted to play on those >songs i'm pretty sure.. so lets concentrate on getting it done, now how it >gets done > > ~Rip > > Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince (http://www.u.arizona.edu/~vgl) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 21:47:39 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" To: email_address_removed Subject: Tribute ideas. Message-ID: Hi all, I've been trying to think of ways to make the whole tribute thing more fair, and I came up with a few ideas. First off, Jazz and I need to talk. I think she could be a great help to this project and she obviously has the drive, so Jazz--E-MAIL ME with your ideas. I'd love to work with ya. Second, I'm scrapping the song list. I tried to pick the songs that I figured everyone liked and at least some people wanted to play, but I've gotten tooooooooo many complaints for this to be a real "fan" tribute. Therefore I'm setting up a vote. Whether you plan on taking part in the recording process or not, I want you all to vote on which songs you want to see on this. Send all e-mail votes to me privately at email_address_removed with nothing in the main body and let the subject be the song you're voting for. Everyone gets three votes. This means you can vote for your 3 fav songs (in 3 separate e-mails), and 10 days from now, I'll count 'em all up and post to the jam what the most popular songs are. However many of these we can fit on one CD, we will. Lines (in the Sand) are open now. Any repeats (like voting 3 times for "LIE") will be deleted, as will any that I get after 12:00 am MST, Tuesday Feb 25th. Okay? Third, instead of saying this person does this and this person does that, how about this: Everyone sends their tapes in the mail (even those coming to AZ) ASAP, and whoever does the best job gets the spot. Does that sound good? It's the most fair thing I can think of because I've had so many people say they want this certain part, but I've had to say no because it was taken. It makes me feel like a schmuck and I don't like it. I feel this way whoever plays the best gets to be on the tribute. The only bad part is that I'm gonna be fishing through a lot of mail. This is where others like Jazz, or Hector, or some other jammer(s) could really lend a hand is in screening parts. I seriously doubt I'm gonna have the time to go through hundreds of tapes that all say "Killing Hand guitar solo #1" or whatever. Do you all like my ideas here? Let me know what you think. Later, Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince (http://www.u.arizona.edu/~vgl) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 00:16:10 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Kube To: email_address_removed Subject: Shouts out to Ytesjam Tribute Album #1, Petition, East/West Message-ID: I gotta give "props" to all the people organizing this tribute. Jazzmin (Idea), Vince (takin' the ball and rolling with it) Hector (assistance). I really think that the whole thing is great. It seems like just yesterday everyone was at eachother's throat because of this east/west shit. I have a few questions. 1. Vince could you post an updated list of who's doing what? 2. How long until I would have to record my part? (I need a couple of months to practice my double bass work on Metropolis.) 3. I have signed up to do drums on Silent man. It has never been recorded with drums, does anyone have any ideas for what I should do? (Silent man "live" was done with drums, does anyone have a copy of it live?) I think that a real simple beat would do the trick. A suggestion, get the "Working Man" tribute album. It could give you some cool ideas for how to do the tribute for DT (considering that DT, WAS the tribute anyway) On another note, thanks to the guy who set up the website to send a petition to East/west, could you tell me when you plan on sending out the petition? Don't be too long. I heard a rumor (no sources named) that DT was dropped from East/West when they did some "House Cleaning" is it speculation or is it fact? Does anyone know? Later, J ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 23:24:34 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: Re: Tribute ideas by the dozen Message-ID: At 08:59 PM 2/14/97 -0800, you wrote: [voting on albums part- snip] this is a great idea, now no name calling or accusations ok? :) > Third, instead of saying this person does this and this person does >that, how about this: Everyone sends their tapes in the mail (even those >coming to AZ) ASAP, and whoever does the best job gets the spot. Does that >sound good? It's the most fair thing I can think of because I've had so >many people say they want this certain part, but I've had to say no because >it was taken. It makes me feel like a schmuck and I don't like it. I feel >this way whoever plays the best gets to be on the tribute. The only bad >part is that I'm gonna be fishing through a lot of mail. This is where >others like Jazz, or Hector, or some other jammer(s) could really lend a >hand is in screening parts. I seriously doubt I'm gonna have the time to go >through hundreds of tapes that all say "Killing Hand guitar solo #1" or >whatever. ok, i have something to add to this.. first of all, its been discussed- whill these be as close as possible to true sounding dt songs like the albums, or do we want to do our own twists of the songs? i'm gonna try out for uagm, and if i were to do it, i'd like to see it done as near album like as possibe. if i had a seven string, i think it would be fun to do something like a hip hop version of caught in a web or something though, just something totally nuts.. another problem we're facing- recording this IS going to be a lot harder than we think it is now. drums will most likely have to be laid down first if any correlation is to be made in the final pieces. this also comes down to will the people playing the tunes be able to handle them? i mean, we're not professional musicians (yet;) and i assume there are parts people cant necessarily tackle and may need to work on. i think we should do it if you sign up for a song- make sure you can play the song, dont have doubts about yourself! if i had to go in and lay down guitars for UAGM tomorrow i'm confident i could, even tho i have things i'd like to smooth out a few things. i think if a complete style of a song is changed thats totally cool, but if we want close to original versions lets try to cut down watering them down with easier parts we can play to a minimum.. i'm not saying if you cant play something to go fook yourself, theres things i'm sure we'll see changes made to, but i also think we gotta give it our best shot to nail it as close as possible if thats the feel we're going for. now that everybody wants a piece of the action and we're totally jumping in in tons of directions, this is just gonna get more complicated and more fucked up. i'm beginning to think in order for songs to be done all the parts may have to be done in the same studio for that particular song, so if we could, lets figure out who wants to play what and find out all the places possible to record. i'd like to possibly make it to hectors studio if i get in on this thing, i cant think of another place i could do it.. this place is a good focal point for us to try and hit i think, and if you cant, try and find some people in your area who can go in on it with you.. i'm not saying any other way wont work, but just to keep it easy at first.. this is what its down to 1- the decision on if the song is gonna be album-like, or totally changed and if everyone taking part on that song agrees with it.. almost leads me to say we should do them all album like but then there may be people who cant handle all the album stuff, dt is definately one hell of a bunch of musicians and theyre stuff is extremely tough for anyone to play, so this is gonna be a hurdle right there 2- actually getting in and doing it, getting everything laid down, panned out, done up, and spiff-maxed. i mean, we have a real shitload of work ahead of us just panning this all out now... now that we're going to be auditioning parts and possibly forming groups up and whatever else the hell there is, this is NOT gonna be easy, but i think that if we go in this strong we can do it. ive been typing so much i cant even remember if i covered everything i wanted to.. any comments, arguements, death-threats are all welcome. later ~Rip ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2279 **************************