YTSEJAM Digest 2272 Today's Topics: 1) more update on tribute album by Jazzmin Belle Sommers 2) "Lifting Shadows off a Dream" by email_address_removed (Jeffrey Falk) 3) Re: Tribute by Stephen Daedalus 4) sick of it all? by Pat Daugherty 5) QR PL/SG by Pat Daugherty 6) Re: Tribute by "Vincent G. LuPone" 7) The petition by The Digital Man 8) Promised Land doesn't suck, but it does give good "head" :) by Jon Parmet 9) I want some parts! by Kramer 10) Tribute by email_address_removed 11) DT Tribute by Chris DiGiuseppe 12) Song names on tribute albums by Fernando Ma 13) Tribute update. by "Vincent G. LuPone" 14) Re: FCC and phone charges for Internet usuage, please read, by Kevin Price ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 12:43:15 -0600 From: Jazzmin Belle Sommers To: email_address_removed Subject: more update on tribute album Message-ID: Okay. Here's some more volunteers! Aaron Bell: guitar (TTT, Voices, SDV); vocals SDV Marcelo Vanzin: guitar (Erotomania) Jose Kalil: vocals (Silent Man) The following will have to bash it out: Vocals on Ytsejam -- Philip Kish, Dale Newberry vocals on Erotomania -- Derek Collins, Maynard D Crebs So far I'm not seeing any overlap as long as people who say "I can play all this" or "I can sing all that" will step aside for all but one song (where necessary). We still need keys on a lot of songs (KorgX3, you got the songbooks?) and drums. A fellow jammer has expressed interest but is remaining noncommittal due to the complexity of the Awake drum lines. Also we'll need to seriously consider dates. Meeting in Arizona is going to be harsh for those of you who live on the east coast and not necessarily easy for those of us in central america. Jose has asked if people must be american to play? No, but the studio's here, that goes a long way in determining the venue... If you can make it, come out and play! I had suggested Spring Break, not realizing that it starts in just a couple of weeks. Raise your hand if you're in school or bound to a school schedule! That will probably make mid-May the earliest we can start. Of course, everyone needs to PRACTISE hir parts (am I the only ytsechick participating?) before you get there, try to get things right the first time around because we probably won't have weeks for rehearsal like the band does. Someone asked about mixing. If we took advance orders (paid) for the discs, it may be possible to get the bux for mixing from this (unless someone knows someone who'll do it for free). Covering the costs of the discs, postage, and liner credits will probably be the big chunk of expenses. This is a labor of love and respect! Jazzmin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 14:12:51 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Jeffrey Falk) To: email_address_removed Subject: "Lifting Shadows off a Dream" Message-ID: Since no one has mentioned it yet, I'd like to "Lifting Shadows off a Dream" for the tribute. I'm a guitar player, and I also used to play keyboards, so I might be able to do the keyboards also. If I had access to a bass, I could do the bass part as well. I can do it on my four-track. Since I don't work well with others, maybe I can do it all myself. I can think of another song I might like to do that no one else would: "Status Seeker." By the way: _Promised Land_ is probably one of the top five albums that have been released in the nineties. And if it weren't for Dream Theater and Rush, "One More Time" might be the best song released in this dismal decade. This is all in my (entirely non-humble) opinion (which usually flies in the face of the whole world but is accurate nonetheless). Jeff Falk Box 3208 700 Commonwealth Avenue Boston, Massachusetts 02215 (617) 352-8639 email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 14:09:59 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Daedalus To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Tribute Message-ID: I'd be perfectly content with either guitar part on Silent Man. Also, maybe our tribute could be a double CD! First CD our music, second our game!! Will show 'em how to make CD's!! Fuck yeah!!! Be well. Matt B ==================== "You are all weirdos. Hmph." (Sam the Eagle, The Great Muppet Movie) "Now all we need is a little enerjon, and a lot of luck." (Optimus Prime, Transformers the Movie) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 14:14:05 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: sick of it all? Message-ID: Are you sick of seeing me bash Al Balkiewicz for ripping me off? I asked him point blank whether he will ever compensate me for the videos that I sent him. He refuses to answer the question. Since he no longer even owns 1 VCR and obviously can't tape the 3 videos he owes me I proposed that he do one of the following: 1: Send me $20 (very fair for 3 videos 2. SEnd me 3 VCR 120 new and unopened tapes Once again he refuses to answer. Is this not a fair and easy offer? |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 14:17:59 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: QR PL/SG Message-ID: WEll I dont think that PL is QR's best effort by far. It is a lot better than most other music out there. It does have a lot of great moments but just can't compete with QR's earlier stuff. When giving an opinion on a cd I think "I didn't like it" or "it sucks" is more called for than "shit and piss" or whatever that jammer wrote. I love the first SG cd. I think it might be better than their second effort. Maybe it is just because I have played Carved in Stone so often that the first cd just sounds fresh. |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 12:12:44 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Tribute Message-ID: At 08:37 AM 2/13/97 -0800, you wrote: >Uh--guys--don't you think you should give some other guitarists a chance? >I think guitars on one song is definitely more than enough and probably >half a song to include more Jammers. Problem is, how we gettin' to >Arizona? Be well. On this note I want to say that I signed myself up for so many songs just in case no one else wanted the roles. The only songs I definitely want to play are PMU and Mirror/Lie. Any others that I'm on the list for are totally up for grabs. Later, Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince (http://www.u.arizona.edu/~vgl) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 14:16:35 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" Subject: The petition Message-ID: > From: El Vaquero > Subject: Re: Petition > > The petition sounds like a good idea, but doesn't it seem > to be a little far fetched. I don't know...maybe I'm just > a skeptic, but it's not like we'd be petitioning a > government agency, or something to that effect. We're > petitioning a record company....which DT has BEEN signed > with and is contractually obligated to. Now, we don't know > the ins and outs of their contract and that's what the > record company will use to respond to the petition, if they > choose to respond at all. My point is that they could tell > us to go shit in our collective hats...they're not looking > for re-election....Show me where to sign, though. I 'm as > hopeful as you are.... Well, the way I look at it is this: EastWest and/or Elektra are slacking hardcore as respects getting DT into the studio to record. We can only speculate why, but the fact that they're not as big a draw as other, more MTV-friendly (in their eyes) acts has to come into play. Basically, they probably think that no one cares whether DT ever releases anything again. Remember, Atco signed them in the late 80s/early 90s, when the big thing in music (and on MTV) was poodleheads like Reb Beach and CC Deville. Well, DT kind of fit that mold. And, what happened? That whole scene died out rather soon after that. OK, so Atco becomes EastWest, and then EastWest is shuffled off to another company. Elektra has pretty much "inherited" DT, whether they wanted to or not. DT isn't gangster rap (do they still play that stuff on MTV?), they're not grunge, they're not ska, they don't have nice-looking breasts, they won't go down on you in a theater, they know more than three chords, and they're basically what today's MTV generation's older brothers listened to when they were in high school. I don't blame Elektra much at all for thinking that this stuff would never sell, and that Atco should have known as much 8 years ago. That's where we, and the petition, come in. We have to show them that not only does DT have a nicely-sized fan base, but a totally die-hard crazed, maniacal, vocal, loyal, and wealthy (well, maybe not, but that would look good :) one. We have to show Elektra that we're here, we will buy the albums, we will go to the shows, we will buy the t-shirts and the posters and the singles with the b-sides on them and the keychains and the underwear, we will buy the products of people that run ads on MTV right before and after DT videos, and we will not give up or go away quietly. We have to remind them that we got ACoS released, because we're that loyal and that strong. We have to make them see that it would be in their best financial interest (the only language they understand) to get a new DT product into our hands as soon as possible. So, get over to http://www.prognosis.com/petition when you can, and take this opportunity to stand up to a big corporation and say "I have a voice! I'm a consumer, and this is what I want to buy!" Something tells me we'll be happily surprised at the results. -d ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:25:20 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: email_address_removed Subject: Promised Land doesn't suck, but it does give good "head" :) Message-ID: Promised Land: 'Out of Mind' is a great tune! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > From: email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) > Actually, Mike told me once jokingly that the new album would > be "industrial bluegrass". Careful!! I had some of that back in the 60's. It'll knock you on your ass if you take too much! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" > The set list was: > Instrumental, Wasn't Carry On was in here? > Love Lies Bleeding or here? :) > Panama > Satriani song > Just for kicks, the next Ytselunch will be a Ytse-breakfast, held > on a certain Saturday morning after a certain party in early March. Ytse-breakfast: It's not just for lunch anymore ;) Any good diner suggestions? I know a few. > Now I leave it to Jon to break those people's kneecaps who > WEREN'T at the show. Gotta give 'em a chance to get to the next one... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Local jammers: Just got back from the Strawberries on Memorial Drive. One each of ACoS and I&W left. Picked up a Steve Howe cassette for $3.99 and they had a few things in the bargain bin that might be of interest. The clerk and I were a little puzzled as to why the Marky Mark tapes weren't moving :) Regards, Jon *------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | email_address_removed | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------* If I'd started from the top, And worked my way down There'd be no reason, To live forever To live forever - DT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 14:27:41 -0500 (EST) From: Kramer To: email_address_removed Subject: I want some parts! Message-ID: I'll take bass on Ytse Jam and Under A Glass Moon. Might as well take what I know! Dis iz gunna rok! -Kramer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:25:42 -0600 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Tribute Message-ID: I know the tribute has been discussed before and never came about. I would love to see it happen. I want the guitar parts on Learning to Live!! The use of Hector's studio is great but causes a travel problem. I mean, I know I want my Ibanez and my Boogie so driving is probably the only option. Phoenix is a long trip for people in the north and south east parts of the country (it is worse for people that are outside the USA!!!) It would seem the best thing would be to have several locations to record. Try to make it so the recording site is no more than a days drive to any participant. I would love to offer a studio in Memphis, TN but all I have is a modest four track (with not much outboard gear). I kinda like the .wav file idea presented by Vince I believe. I have four track recording capabilities on my computer so this would work great. Anybody interested in doing the drums, bass, keys to Learning to Live on a .wav file!!! I will handle the guitars and I have a couple of people that can handle the vocals!!!!!! Later, Richard Warren email_address_removed ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ Richard Warren rwarren@memphisonline ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 14:46:15 -0800 From: Chris DiGiuseppe To: email_address_removed Subject: DT Tribute Message-ID: Hello. I just got wind of this DT Tribute thingy. I think its great, and we all could make it a reality if we try hard enough. Is a songlist picked out yet? I'd really REALLY R E A L L Y like to do the guitar work on 'Afterlife' or 'Vital Star' (If the old Majesty songs are even being considered). But, Ill play any of the songs if I have to! -Chris DiGiuseppe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 12:44:59 -0700 (MST) From: Fernando Ma To: ytsejam list Subject: Song names on tribute albums Message-ID: Should we change the song names to those porno-names that were mentioned on the IRC a few days ago? In case of copyright infringements and all of that crap... Fernando Ma Materials science & engineering University of Arizona http://bigdog.engr.arizona.edu/~ma "I would like for this record to come out...and a blonde" - Derek Sherinian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 12:45:50 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" To: email_address_removed Subject: Tribute update. Message-ID: Hello, I've been getting a lot of requests for additional songs, so I want to take the time to bring it to the forefront. I tried to pick the songs that everybody likes the most. I figured I'd start with the classics and go from there, ya know? We have 10 songs here, and I think they're songs that everybody likes and would love to see on a Dream Theater tribute CD. Of course, if enough people really want to do a Space Dye Vest, Scarred, Afterlife, To Live Forever, or Another Day, like some people have asked, I will in no way stand in the way of making this a double CD. I just don't know if I'll have the time. If someone else wants to step up... I'm already hoping to get this started on spring break and finished during the summer so we can get this sucker out on or before the DT release of the new album. I need to contact Hector about this and see what works for him. I love the idea of a 24 track studio. As far as a Ytsecon IV, I dunno. Not much of a convention if we're all cramped up in a studio. I do like the idea of getting a bunch of jammers down here to record early this summer, though. It should be a ton of fun. Does anyone with 'connections' know if this is okay with the band members? I don't want to do anything on this if they don't feel it's in their best interest. It is THEIR material. I'd hope they'd see it as imitation being the sincerest form of flattery. Here's the list (I took out the vocals for Ytsejam, & Erotomania :p) as it stands this afternoon. Still waiting for some more additions, especially on Ytsejam and LtL. If no one wants to do it, I may pull it. I don't want to, though. If we can get everybody but a guitarist for it, I'd be more than happy to cover the guitar parts. Pull Me Under Bass: Matthew Schnoor Guitars: Vince LuPone Vocals: "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" Keys: Drums: Anthony LaSorsa The Ytsejam Bass: Fernando Ma Guitars: Keys: Drums: The Mirror/Lie Bass: Jim Carey (fish email_address_removed) Guitars: Vince LuPone Vocals: Syrinx Keys: Drums: Voice-overs: D-Man (Chris Merlo) A Mind Beside Itself (Erotomania) Bass: Fernando Ma Guitars: Jake Holodynski Keys: Drums: (Voices) Bass: Fernando Ma Guitars: Chris DiGiuseppe Vocals: Steve Zebrowski Keys: Drums: (The Silent Man) Bass: Dale R. Newberry Guitars: Stephen Daedalus and/or Vince LuPone Vocals: Jose L. Perroni Kalil Percussion (sounds great live): Take The Time Bass: Guitars: "A.R. Bell" Vocals: Keys: Drums: Anthony LaSorsa Metropolis Bass: Jim Carey Guitars: Vocals: Steve Zebrowski Keys: Drums: Under a Glass Moon Bass: Guitars: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" Vocals: Steve Zebrowski Keys: Drums: email_address_removed Learning to Live Bass: Matthew Schnoor Guitars: Vocals: Steve Zebrowski Keys: Drums: -------------------- enough wasted bandwidth, you don't need a sig file! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:46:47 -0500 From: Kevin Price To: "PLEASE HELP...I need an idea!" Cc: email_address_removed, email_address_removed, email_address_removed, Subject: Re: FCC and phone charges for Internet usuage, please read, Message-ID: (Um, hi Dave, I guess this answers your "are you alive?" question, eh?) I'd heard wind of this FCC thing before and had ignored it cuz it sounded too much like several other instances of internet folklore I've encountered. I started to check it out and found some useful clarifications via DejaNews, but then got the following (better) update by email: Subject: FEAR AND LOATHING AT THE FCC Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 10:49:29 -0500 -- Yesterday Xxxx Xxxx published an interesting Internet message that was circulating about FCC soliciting public opinion on Internet phone access charges that the telephone companies have been petitioning for. Urgent action was advocated to let the FCC know how upset people are about this possible change in telephone charges for access. Although Xxxx said she couldn't vouch for the accuracy of the story, it seemed resonable to forward this, and even reply the FCC. I had heard about the story too through other channels and was sure there was some truth to it. Today, I found out that someone else did the research to get the "real story" on this controversy. Some misconceptions existed in yesterday's posting. Actually, the deadline is tomorrow, not today to email the FCC, and the previous message gives an impression that the FCC was sort of covering up the issue. A reliable online list called "TourBus" did a story on this, and I'm forwarding their information here to correct this misconception. An email to the FCC may still be warranted, but the issue is far less precarious and sinister as it sounded from the public messages being circulated on the net. Read below for the real scoop on the FCC and internet telephone charages. - ------- Forwarded Message Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 16:47:37 -0800 Sender: The Internet TourBus - A virtual tour of cyberspace From: Patrick Douglas Crispen ~~~/~~~\~~/~~~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~~~\~~~~~ \___/ \___/ T h e I n t e r n e t T o u r B u s \___/ TODAY'S STOP: EDUPAGE / FEAR AND LOATHING AT THE FCC TODAY'S ADDRESSES: http://www.worldvillage.com/wv/hotel/tourbus/archives.htm http://www.educom.edu/web/edupage.html http://www.eff.org/papers/eegtti/eeg_83.html#SEC84 http://www.fcc.gov/isp.html FEAR AND LOATHING AT THE FCC - - ---------------------------- Over the past couple of weeks, you may have received e-mail letters telling you that Many local telephone companies have filed a proposal with the FCC [The United States' Federal Communications Commission] to impose per minute charges for Internet service. They contend that use of Internet has or will hinder the operation of the telephone network. At first, I thought that this was simply a new version of the old "modem tax" hoax (http://www.eff.org/papers/eegtti/eeg_83.html#SEC84) that has been floating around the Net since *1987*. After all, the current FCC story has all of the markings of a classic urban legend: 1. It uses official-looking language; 2. It mentions a government agency or an organization with which everyone is familiar; 3. It contains a plea for you to take some sort of immediate action; and 4. It requests that you forward the warning letter to as many people as possible. Besides, according to an article that appeared in this morning's Edupage, ONLINE COMPANIES ASK TELCOS, "WHERE'S THE BEEF?" Tired of telephone companies' complaints that Internet usage is overwhelming their network capacity, the Internet Access Coalition has released findings contending that Net usage is, in reality, a bonanza for the Bells. The study found that local carriers received a total of $1.4 billion in 1995 in revenues resulting from the installation of second lines in homes, while spending only $245 million to beef up their networks for the additional usage. A Bell Atlantic spokesman says the real problem is that the telcos have no idea when a line will be used for data rather than voice, and thus tied up longer. Both sides agree that the ultimate solution is higher capacity networks. (Business Week 17 Feb 97) Well, out of curiosity -- and out of a deep-felt desire to avoid studying for the two major economics tests that I have next week -- your fearless bus driver decided to call the FCC in Washington to see if anyone there was willing to talk about this rather explosive issue. Unfortunately, I soon discovered that the FCC only has one employee, she is a secretary, and her job is to transfer all incoming telephone calls into voice mail hell. :) Actually, I talked to some nice people at the FCC who faxed me a 10 page explanation of what's *really* going on. Unfortunately, the 10 page explanation was written in "FCC-ese," so I am going to have to translate their explanation into English for you (and I can assure you that, since I know *NOTHING* about telephony, my translation will probably contain a few inaccuracies; if it does, please let me know). First, some local telephone companies have indeed asked the FCC to allow them to assess a per minute access charge on the telephone lines used by Internet Service Providers. Local telephone companies currently charge long-distance carriers (like AT&T and MCI) an interstate access charge for the long-distance traffic that travels over their local lines, and the local telephone companies would like to see this charge extended to include the high-speed lines that your local Internet Service Provider uses to access the Internet. In December, the FCC rejected the telephone companies' request and tentatively concluded "that the existing pricing structure for information services should remain in place." In other words, the FCC has tentatively concluded that Internet service providers should *NOT* be subject to the interstate access charges that local telephone companies currently assess on long-distance carriers. The FCC now seeks the public's comments on this conclusion. Unfortunately, the "warning" letter that is currently circulating around the Internet gives the impression that some sort of sinister operation is afoot here, that the FCC and the telephone companies are trying to sneak this proposal through without anyone noticing, and that it is up to each and every one of us to stop the evil FCC. What garbage. In fact, the FCC has, at least tentatively, REJECTED the telephone companies' proposal. The FCC is now simply asking you if you agree or disagree with their decision. The most disappointing aspect of this whole situation is that because of the misinformation that has been distributed across the Internet over the past couple of weeks, the FCC has received 100,000+ e-mail letters, most of which flame them for making a decision that EVERYONE AGREES WITH! Hands down, the flaming of the FCC is one of the Internet's most shameful acts ever. I also discovered another thing about the FCC that increased my respect for their organization one-hundred-fold. Part of the 10 page explanation that the FCC sent me states that their "existing rules have been designed for traditional circuit-switched voice networks, and thus may hinder the development of emerging packet-switched data networks." Because of this, the FCC is also seeking the public's comments on the implications of the Internet and its usage through the public switched telephone network. Folks, *ANY* government agency that stops and says 'hey, we can ALWAYS use some more information so that we are better prepared for whatever happens in the future' has earned my respect and admiration. By the way, most of the information that I have shared with you today can be found on the FCC's "ISP" homepage at http://www.fcc.gov/isp.html If you would like to send your comments to the folks at the FCC (the deadline for comments about their decision not to impose interstate access changes on Internet service providers is Friday, February 14th), make sure that you check the FCC's ISP Web page first. At the bottom of this page are some pretty specific instructions on what you need to put in the subject line of you e-mail letter before you submit it to the FCC. Personally, I'm going to leave the poor folks at the FCC alone for a while. They seem to be doing a great job in the face of unnecessary (and misinformed) opposition. TODAY'S ADDRESSES - - ----------------- http://www.worldvillage.com/wv/hotel/tourbus/archives.htm http://www.educom.edu/web/edupage.html http://www.eff.org/papers/eegtti/eeg_83.html#SEC84 http://www.fcc.gov/isp.html TOURBUS - (c) Copyright 1997, Patrick Crispen and Bob Rankin All rights reserved. Redistribution is allowed only with permission. Send this copy to 3 friends and tell them to get on the Bus! (\__/) .~ ~. )) /O O ./ .' Patrick Douglas Crispen {O__, \ { The University of Alabama / . . ) \ email_address_removed |-| '-' \ } http://ua1vm.ua.edu/~crispen/ .( _( )_.' '---.~_ _ _& Warning: squirrels. - ------- End of Forwarded Message ------- End of Forwarded Message --------------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Price (email_address_removed) What? Me speak for J&J? Ha! "All the death that ever was, Set next to life, Could scarcely fill a cup." -- from _Godric_ by F. 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