YTSEJAM Digest 2267 Today's Topics: 1) by 2) Marillion Does Suck by Dan 3) Philosophical discussions about DT by Cygnus 4) Re: guitar dt parts by Fernando Ma 5) Venus Isle by "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" 6) DT tribute by Anthony G LaSorsa 7) Nuno, Napalm Death, Trio... by Andrew Forcier 8) NDTC: Re: What the ???? by Jeff Hayes 9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2266 by Chris Ptacek 10) images and words- 5 years later. a lookback, part 2 by email_address_removed 11) DT tribute CD? :) by Steve Zebrowski 12) Re: images and words- 5 years later. a lookback, part 2 by Carlos Alfaro 13) FCC rate reg. proposal (NDTC) by email_address_removed.br 14) Peace n love n good happiness stuff by The Digital Man ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A little tolerance goes a long way. HOWEVER, I will NOT tolerate anyone missing Brian tonight at Mama Kin's :) Regards, Jon *------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | email_address_removed | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------* If I'd started from the top, And worked my way down There'd be no reason, To live forever To live forever - DT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:18:35 -0500 (EST) From: Dan To: email_address_removed Subject: Marillion Does Suck Message-ID: I don't mean to bring up old threads but a while ago on here people were agruing over MArillion. Well I was reading the jams and thought I would listen to some of the people on here who were defending them..saying that they are an excellent band and all. I mean you people are a pretty good source. Well I bought on of thier albums, "Afraid Of Sunlight" And it SUCKED!!!! I threw it out my car window the other day!!! Thanks for the great reviews! Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:34:34 -0600 (CST) From: Cygnus To: email_address_removed Subject: Philosophical discussions about DT Message-ID: I was wondering (forgive me if this has been done before) what will the subject matter of Metropolis Part 2 be of? Maybe it will be about one man's (or woman's) journey through the Metropolis within him or herself. Just a thought. Any ideas on the matter? Rob Taylor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 08:43:04 -0700 (MST) From: Fernando Ma To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: guitar dt parts Message-ID: I get bass for Erotomania with the beginning part of Voices! Fernando Ma Materials science & engineering University of Arizona http://bigdog.engr.arizona.edu/~ma "I would like for this record to come out...and a blonde" - Derek Sherinian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:05:57 -0500 From: "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" To: YtseGods Subject: Venus Isle Message-ID: Finally got the new Eric Johnson. It's very cool. It will be an excellent disc to listen to when I want to do some mellowing out. Although it is mellow, EJ still rocks! Waiting to see G3 again and maybe again. ----two more things---- Keep up the funny posts about the upcoming DT album(s), box sets, EP's and games. It's a good laugh and I'm sure hoping others also apprectaite the humor in our hour, well ok months of waiting. For the Ytsegame- I vote that we add in the James LeBrie Sceam of the Dream : freezes all Ytsejammers for 30 seconds while they pop their ears and regain their sense of direction. later all, Bruce D. D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:11:45 -0500 (EST) From: Anthony G LaSorsa To: email_address_removed Subject: DT tribute Message-ID: Since no one has called it yet...... I CALL DRUMS TO TAKE THE TIME!!!!!!!!!!!! Like that will ever happen anyway. OH well. (I meant that it will be unlikely to get a ytsejam tribute album put together. I assure you, I can play TTT! Its only taken me like about 8 months to truly perfect! :) ) ROCK ON!!!! Tony ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:16:09 -0800 From: Andrew Forcier To: email_address_removed Subject: Nuno, Napalm Death, Trio... Message-ID: Hello, Added four new discs to my collection: Nuno's Schizophonic, a Napalm Death/Coalesce EP (bought on a whim), Miles Davis Sorcerer, and the McLaughlin/DeLucia/DiMeola Passion, Fire, and Grace disc. Reviews of Nuno are pretty much on track: very much mainstream rock and not like Extreme. Sounds a bit like Beck and Foo Fighters, but with a really talented guitarist. Best song: Pursuit of Happiness. It's a kind of sardonic ballad, but with a real groove to it. The album wears thin towards the end, but the early tracks are quite good. Anyone know if and how he'll be touring? Pulling a Dweezil Zappa and doing most of the work on the album will make live performance interesting. The Guitar Trio disc was interesting, but I would have rather had more melodic playing than "flash in the pan" stuff. The guys are great players, but they just seem to trade solos. I prefer Ottmar Liebert's flamenco work. Not a bad disc, just hoped for a little something different, is all. As for the aforementioned EP and the Miles CD, haven't gotten to them. Bought the former simply out of curiosity, I'll probably return it, but I wanted to give it a shot. And since Miles is second only to Joe Satriani as a God, the review is a given. To the guy who grossly insulted the quality of the album Promised Land because it "wasn't like Mindcrime" (Jeff Hayes, I believe): it's called progressive music because the band PROGRESSES. If they remade Mindcrime ten times, fans would probably say they were just capitalizing on that one album's success. PL is an amazing album (IMHO), with involving lyrics and complex musical ideas, and made for the third best live show out of the more than fifty concerts I have seen. I'm just sitting and wondering how one can call themselves a fan of a band after waiting two years to get their most recent album, never mind giving a baseless review to boot... To the chick who thinks she was justified in screaming that we were all so impatient for the new DT because she waited TEN YEARS between WDADU and I&W because she confuse the years due to her high school graduation: your apology was just as antagonistic and presumptuous as your original post. It didn't even come off as an apology. I'm tired of preachy people screaming their opinions in here, then when they are proven wrong (in this case: seven years wrong), they can't own up and just say "Sorry!" I'm with Ptacek and others that an opinion is just an opinion and should be taken as such, but when you shout insults to accompany them, you're just begging for flames. Oh, and you're taking a chance trading with anyone over the internet or e-mail. But instead of trashing the people who have screwed you, why don't you list the people who have accomodated you. It helps me very little to know Al is a fink, I need to know who I can trust. NINE DAYS TILL EMPIRE (the best of the three)!!!! ALREADY TOOK THE DAY OFF, JUST LIKE I DID FOR STAR WARS!!!!!!!!!! (and Jedi) Andrew _____________________ When the music stops, There's only the sound of the rain... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 10:20:36 -0600 From: Jeff Hayes To: email_address_removed Subject: NDTC: Re: What the ???? Message-ID: Jeremy, Hmmmm, got to wonder if your not the elusive Mr. Mindcrimer (Everyone who doesn't LOVE QR sucks!!!! *rant rant rant*) after that last post. Sorry to step on your idols, but get a grip. IN MY OPINION I would rather listen to a recording of "Zamphir Does Kenny Roger's Greatest Hits" than that wretched excuse for an album called "Promised Land". I went in with an open mind, not having heard ANY song off this CD (As I never listen to the radio here in Houston cuz it, to paraphrase KorgX3, "sux nadz"). From the get go I was like, "What in the hell happened to the songwriting abilities of one of my favorite bands?!?!?" The days of twin guitar harmony leads and melodic interplay between Chris and Michael are GONE!!! Now I'm starting to hear rumors about the upcoming QR CD. And the general consensus, FROM DIEHARD FANS LIKE MYSELF, are that it also SUX NADZ! I am truly sorry if for some reason you were offended by my last post. But, as many of us have said over and over and over... Opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one. AND THEY SHOULD FEEL FREE to express it if they so desire. I feel quite justified in what I said last post and your response of I HATE TO FLAME BUT THIS IS JUST STUPID.. LOOK WHAT HE SAID ABOUT PROMISED LAND!!!!!!! showed both your intolerance of other's opinions and a general disrespect towards those expressing an opinion other than YOURS. Well, heartfelt pity goes out to those as ignorant as you. Were it up to individuals like yourself, I'm sure that all of us would be "[in a closet bound and gag[ged]". Hooray for free speech. And in closing... Just picked up the Operation: Livecrime Boxed CD set. DAMN IT ROCKS!!!! I love these guys' old stuff!!! So to sum it all up: PL = Gag, choke, puke Pre-PL = Way cool, bitchin'! I - M - H - O !!!!!!!! Comprende, amigo? Gracias. Later, Jammurz, Jeff PS - If we're gonna continue harping on this opinion crap, let's take it to PRIVATE e-mail rather than wasting anymore bandwidth here. I mean after all, it is the DT Mailing list and all I did was express an opinion on other (so-called) prog metal. Kewl? 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Of course I'm rewriting the solo that basically cycles up a scale in 3 octaves before doing the chromatic thing. It does nothing for me. :) Perhaps I'll FINALLY give JP those guitar lessons he's been begging me for. And we'll use my DR-5 instead of that pesky Mike Portnoy-Machine Gun drums. Perhaps I'll play the bass with a pick and sing all the vocals too. We don't need those silly keyboard parts. Scratch em. > From: Jeremy Kube > Subject: What the ???? > I HATE TO FLAME BUT THIS IS JUST STUPID.. LOOK WHAT HE SAID ABOUT PROMISED > LAND!!!!!!! Take a pill. :) > From: Steve Borzilleri > Subject: DeeTeeCeeDeeRom, I&W vs. Awake, Da Box Set > As for I&W vs. Awake, I like them both. And I have every right to like > them both, because after all, as a FAN of Dream Theater not connected to > management and having no control over the individual members of the band, > I'M the one who decides what direction their music is going to take. > Favorite foods? Yeah, I decide that stuff too. Those guys even THINK about > stoping at McDonald's they phone WHO? They phone ME. All I have to do is > purchase their next album and I'm calling the shots on ICE CREAM FLAVORS. > So they'd better get their act together and churn out some prog-country... ROFL God I missed this! > They said they got a deal going with Time Life to release each disc as a > monthly installment, free with your paid subscription to Time. Just like > the Mysteries Of The Unknown series... And later you'll be asked if YOU TOO want to collect all 78 fine hand crafted Pewter Dream Theater civil war chess set figurines. > From: satu.reunanen@sci.fi (Satu Reunanen) > Subject: offensive lyrics Pardon me, Jeremy Kube, can you please regurgitate that pill, and pass it this way? Someone needs it a bit more than you do! Satu, slow down, my man. D-Man isn't trying to help anyone limit his freedom of speech. He's trying to help a mothers club scare each other so they can feel good about themselves (I'm JOKING, D!). If you don't want to be of assistance in this cause, just don't respond to it. I asked D Man to clarify the reasons behind this request, and he made it clear that he's not trying to aid in the limiting of free speech. Just chill and don't help his mom out if you don't want to. Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511 http://www.enteract.com (business) http://www.prognosis.com (personal site under construction) "If faith is the answer, we've already reached it, and if spirit's a sign, then it's only a matter of time." - Dream Theater ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:58:41 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: images and words- 5 years later. a lookback, part 2 Message-ID: ok, ok...here goes......thanks to dman for figuring out the songs in my pre-part-2 post, pat sullivan, i agree with quite a bit of your observations. esp. the one about how ad and sur. sound better live......i hate those songs. not really hate them, but like them more live. this next set of song critiquesis dedicated to jazzmin, who so kindly forgot to put the list of albums for sale, and asks if i should be a columbia house critic or laugh. or maybe an insane asylum would do me good. hmm......i hear the asylum guys get better benefits than the columbia house folks.......so i might like a straitjacket. also makes a kinky sex tool. here goes. canzon numero quatro, se llama "surrounded". es una cancion que a mi no me gusta mucho. lo odio, casi. lo que me gusta es que suena casi como el grupo genesis, especialmente en la seccion quando la bateria empiesa a tocar. muy interesante que ellos tocan la musica en el tiemp 9/8. tambien me gusta mucho la letra de la cancion. me encanta la parte quando james canta l;a linea "light to dark, dark to light..." no me gusta mucho el sonido de la guitara. suena como cereal, o como dokken, y yo ODIO el sonido de george lynch. lo odio. y tambien no me gusta mucho el sonido del synthesizer (fuck you, i don't know the word for synth in spanish). pocito demaciado maricon para mis gustos. yo me rio quando yo oigo el solo de guitara. me recuerdo de u2. myung toca el bajo muy bien otra ves en esta cancion. el a tocado muy bien desde la empesada. y otra ves regresa los sentimentos de rabia. la parte antes del final me gusta. muy bravo. muy agresivo. afortunadamente, esta cancion no es demaciado largo. asi es mejor. 5- metropolis. so it's really dark, and i'm entering this dark secluded mansion (not manson), and it's really dark and foreboding, and then BOOM! wow!! now THIS is the "dream theater." it's an arena, and people are watching my moves. i don't know what i'm doing, but that's irrelevant. everything just works so well. the music is awesome- it fits exactly with the words. "the both of you will be confined to this mind" is a powerful line. so is the line "it hides away and will never be heard of again." note, the chord and the bass. a c major 7 chord with the e in the bass. THAT is such a powerful chord. so far, this may be the best song on the album. now we come onto the snags. i still think the instrumental section is a bit too long. the beginning of it...ahh, i could live without it. that and the yngwie keys/guitar duo jizz (not jazzmin) part. the part after that is brilliant, however. the techno part. it goes on with the theme of wanting to rip someone's head off and shit down their throat, as pull me under makes me feel like sometimes. great use of texture and dynamics- the part where they do that one riff, and then kev does it alone, nice and quiet, followed by a brilliant solo. then comes that last part in the instrumental section. wow. breathtaking. again, i'm on this trip (maybe an acid trip), just moshing like a bastard (and i hate to mosh), and just be taken further and further, and just land at "before these leaves have fallen". ladies and gentlemen, THIS is brilliant fucking songwriting. being led thru all this anger and noise and dissonance, and ending on a dsus2 chord. and on top of it, brilliant playing. best i've heard of kevin, jp, portnoy (thus far), myung. james captures the feeling wonderfully. this just gave this album its first 2 and a half stars. not bad for one song. ok, enough for now. digest yet more. part 3 will happen sometime soon. i'll be in pittsburgh this weekend, starting thursday, visiting pitt law school. fuck you all and your valentine's day, and i'll talk to you soon. if i have time, i'll send part 3 before i leave. peace. ytsegoon ********************************************************************** david yoichi kobayashi binghamton university email_address_removed ".....and all of these emotions of mine keep holding me from giving my life to a rainbow like you...." -j. hendrix ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:00:58 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Zebrowski To: email_address_removed Subject: DT tribute CD? :) Message-ID: > >HEY! Let's all get together and do a tribute album to the band! > > I call ALL the guitar parts for LIE!!! I want to do those! ;p > > hasta, > > Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince > > ok, i get UAGM! or if i sit down an learn scarred one of these days i want > that ! ;) > ~Rip > > OK, as long as I get to do the keyboard parts for Learning to Live > and Metropolis. :) Scarred wouldn't be bad, either, I'd just have to > get offa my butt and learn 'em... No prob. :P > > Laterz! Woo hoo! I was hoping this thread would come back. I think it's a great idea! I will sing anything that you guys will let me! Steve Z ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 13:29:02 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: images and words- 5 years later. a lookback, part 2 Message-ID: email_address_removed wrote: > canzon numero quatro, se llama "surrounded". es una cancion que a mi no me > gusta mucho. lo odio, casi. lo que me gusta es que suena casi como el grupo > > en esta cancion. el a tocado muy bien desde la empesada. > > y otra ves regresa los sentimentos de rabia. la parte antes del final me > gusta. muy bravo. muy agresivo. afortunadamente, esta cancion no es demaciado > largo. asi es mejor. haahhahaha what the fuck is this all about?? ... man i was laughin so hard when i read this.. hehe..man this is fukin funny..but really why did you post a review of surrounded,not a good one i might say, in spanish!?!? hehe .. Increasingly the mathematics will demand the courage to face its implications-Ian Malcolm mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 14:52:50 -0300 From: email_address_removed.br To: email_address_removed Subject: FCC rate reg. proposal (NDTC) Message-ID: Hey jammerz, First of all, sorry for the waste of bandwidth... ------------------------- From: Timothy Templeton Subject: FCC rate reg. proposal (NDTC) > >> Your local telephone company has filed a proposal with the FCC to > >>impose per minute charges for your internet service. They contend that > >>your usage has or will hinder the operation of the telephone network. ------------------------- I think you are making too much ado about nothing (hmm... Shakespeare :) )... Here in Brazil, we pay per minute charges in every call, be it local, long distance, voice, data or whatever. And even that way our phone bills are not so expensive... The rate is like $.04 for each 4 minutes in a local call, for 18 seconds in a regional call, and long distance varies. But, that way, our maintenance rates are surely cheaper than yours... I think. And those rates varies for different times and days (i.e., on Saturdays and Sundays, local calls are $.04 regardless of the duration). Think a little about it... It's not that bad... 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Jason Hartman" > Subject: Superior / Nuno stuff > > PS - in the last jam, someone said something about having a big war > between us jammers and each side would carry a different banner. > We could have Images and Words vs. Awake or maybe Kev vs. Derek. > Other ideas? Mercy Fuck vs. Fucking Shit? Miracle vs. Sleeper? Crimson Sunrise vs. Crimson Sunset? Pat vs. Al? ---- > From: Steve Borzilleri > Subject: DeeTeeCeeDeeRom, I&W vs. Awake, Da Box Set > > They said they got a deal going with Time Life to release each disc as a > monthly installment, free with your paid subscription to Time. Just like > the Mysteries Of The Unknown series... > > "Hey, you hear about that 6/8-5/19 time change over the A minor aeolian?" > > "No! They actually did that on the album? What happened next?" A woman in Idaho picked up a hot pan and burned her hand. Coincidence? > Waltzing BafuUUuUUuUU Eek! There's a frightening image. ---- > From: satu.reunanen@sci.fi (Satu Reunanen) > Subject: offensive lyrics > > Tell me one reason why I would name bands with these kind > of lyrics to you ? I am so fed up already with all the Well, one reason would have been because you read my post carefully and decided to help out a fellow jammer instead of your knee jerking involuntarily after seeing the words "mother," "offensive," and "lyrics" in the same sentence. > censorshit that I don't want more of it. Older > ppl always try to take the music away from younger gene- > ration. And all kinds of other stuff. I wouldn't NEVER > help MY mom if she did something like this !! It's our You obviously have NO idea what I asked for, or what I explained. My mother's school is sponsoring an Awareness Day, and she wants to make people aware of stuff that exists in the world. She's not presenting to legislators, or Tipper Gore. She's presenting to sheltered college students. > right to listen to whatever we want to and not let anyone > else tell us what is forbidden. Where is the freedom of > speech ?? Sorry about this, but when older ppl are interes- > ted in something like this it's usually about censorship. Only the government can censor. Regular citizens merely have the option to buy or not to buy. Beisdes, that's not what this request was about. > I don't know what your mom is after of course.. No, that's obvious. > but I HATE when they put down the bands I love ! Then you should start listening to Bush. ---- > From: Jon Parmet > Subject: It is morally wrong to allow suckers to keep their money > > > Has Metropolis Part 2 been written and if so, does > > it have a chance of being on the upcoming album? > > It has, and from what I hear, Metropolis is still thoughtfully > smiling... You all have three seconds to boo the bad punster. :) > After waiting long enough, though, I just gave Brian Wherry the rights > to my first born (and a first round draft pick) to just do it; go to What are you, the Jets' owner? :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2267 **************************